Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === J. Coon" wrote: I think you are short sighted. MD has more uses than just copying CDs. 1. It is a learning tool for students. a. Take it to a lecture and record it with a microphone. b. have a friend take it to a lecture if you have a hangover and need to sleep it off. c. Take it to a jam session to record new tunes tol learn 2. It is a practice aid. a. Record a tune you are learning, and play along with it. b. set it to repeat problem sections of a tune so you can hear it and practice that section. c. Record a band practice so you can play along with it later. 3. It is a cheap way to make a demo CD. a. Record your band on MD, edit out the mistakes and talking and dump it to a computer CDROM. b. Use the time and date stamp to see how long the cut will be. 4. It is a way to improve performances. a. Record the performance and listen to it afterwards. b. Record the tunes at a practice, and use the time/date stamp to see how many tunes you need for a gig. 5. It is a way to prepare a presentation. a. record your presentation and play it back tosee what needs to be improved. 5. It is a way to record business meetings. a. set it on the conference table with a mike and if you use one with time and dates stamping you knowwhen it was recorded. 6. Use it to master a CD a more than one CD has used a minidisc recorder to produce all are part of it. 7. Use it for a guided tour. A. record details on certain parts of the tour. play back that track when the bus gets to that site. 8. Use it for a back up band for a low paying gig. Yes, All of the above are true, but a cassette would do fine for many of your choices at a much lower cost. I was thinking of the most common use for the largest number of people. I was lucky enough to snag a couple of tickets to the Elton John concert held in my little sh!t hole town last Wed. He recorded a live greatest hits lp at Madison Square Garden this weekend. He wanted to try everything out an a smaller audience before the big gig. I thought of bringing in my Aiwa F70 with it's little tie pin stereo mike. I was afraid they would check. Also, I thought that it would not pick up the sound. What I schmuck I was. No checking not at our new arena. Also, they played so loud that I would have picked up every note. Screwed up again. I'll bet it would have sounded half decent (although I was on the side so forget stereo-anyway the sound was so loud you can forget stereo again. Fantastic concert I just lucked out on how I managed to get the tickets. Usually don't have that kind of luck (I'd rather have all my kids, wife and friends healthy than that kind of luck if I ain't have both). Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
las wrote: J. Coon" wrote: I think you are short sighted. MD has more uses than just copying CDs. 1. It is a learning tool for students. a. Take it to a lecture and record it with a microphone. b. have a friend take it to a lecture if you have a hangover and need to sleep it off. c. Take it to a jam session to record new tunes tol learn 2. It is a practice aid. a. Record a tune you are learning, and play along with it. b. set it to repeat problem sections of a tune so you can hear it and practice that section. c. Record a band practice so you can play along with it later. 3. It is a cheap way to make a demo CD. a. Record your band on MD, edit out the mistakes and talking and dump it to a computer CDROM. b. Use the time and date stamp to see how long the cut will be. 4. It is a way to improve performances. a. Record the performance and listen to it afterwards. b. Record the tunes at a practice, and use the time/date stamp to see how many tunes you need for a gig. 5. It is a way to prepare a presentation. a. record your presentation and play it back tosee what needs to be improved. 5. It is a way to record business meetings. a. set it on the conference table with a mike and if you use one with time and dates stamping you knowwhen it was recorded. 6. Use it to master a CD a more than one CD has used a minidisc recorder to produce all are part of it. 7. Use it for a guided tour. A. record details on certain parts of the tour. play back that track when the bus gets to that site. 8. Use it for a back up band for a low paying gig. las wrote: Yes, All of the above are true, but a cassette would do fine for many of your choices at a much lower cost. Obviously you haven't tried using a cassette to do any of the above. With a cassette, 1. you can't go directly to a track and play it instantly. 2. you can't repeat a selection ad infinitum 3. you can't title the tracks 4. you can't tell what date and time the recording was made 5. you can't get a recording quality master 6. you can't erase unwanted jabber, comercials, etc. 7. you can't stop it in the middle of playing a track and imediatley go to a non adjacent track. 8. you can't record in stereo on many of them 9. you can't record in mono for 149 or more minutes and not worry about fragle tape getting messed up. 10. you can't get around the tape hiss 11. you have to mess with different settings for different kinds of tape, metla, chrome, high bias, tec. A cassette may be cheaper, but it can't do the things a minidisc recorder can do. Let's face it, tape sucks. It always has. I was thinking of the most common use for the largest number of people. Well, as the prices drop down on recorders, people will abandon tape, and it will be resigned to childrens toys. The problem, as I see it, is the manufactures want to keep producing newer models, like the auto firms do. They should take some of the good designs and keep producing it until they can produce it at costs competitive with tape recorders. With all the mechanical krap in a tape recorder to transport the tape, it has to be just about as expensive to make as an a MD machine. Sure the MD has a laser, and a servo motor, but if they made enough of them they would be cheap too. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
"J. Coon" wrote: The problem, as I see it, is the manufactures want to keep producing newer models, like the auto firms do. They should take some of the good designs and keep producing it until they can produce it at costs competitive with tape recorders. With all the mechanical krap in a tape recorder to transport the tape, it has to be just about as expensive to make as an a MD machine. Sure the MD has a laser, and a servo motor, but if they made enough of them they would be cheap too. Several years ago Sharp came out with what I consider to be one of the best MD portable recorders ever made (just my opinion), the MS200. It was large by today's standards. But sturdier. It has a slot in design, which if you ever try using a unit facing the long way is an advantage (the slot facing up). It just occurred to me that when people give the thickness of a clamshell unit they never state what it is when the unit is opened. Anyway, it came with a 6 AA battery pack. This unit could play for a very long time. The remote that came with it stunk. But they offered a remote with a digital LCD which was diamond shaped and great. But instead of introducing the next model while continuing to product the MS200 at a lower price, Sharp discontinued it. It introduced the least reliable MD unit ever produced in it's place the 702. It has got to cost money to "retool" any time a new unit is manufactured. So as they kept mass producing the 200, their price per unit should have cost them less. I mainly use my units in the car and I don't hear any improvement between the 200 (I actually have the Denon clone) and new units. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
ORIGINAL MESSAGE From: las [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 MDs should not (in my humble opinion) be considered substitutes for CDs. Well, I agree in the large scope of things, but I would absolutely LOVE to trade all of my CDs for MDs of the same albums. As you stated, MDs are indistinguishable from CDs for most intents and purposes. I have a good sound system -- very good, I feel -- but I have no reason to cling to the absolute highest sound quality possible, whether audible or not. (As has been said before, some people probably can hear the differences, but with some, it's just in their heads.) I am picky about my sound quality, but MD sounds absolutely fantastic to me. Man, I wish I could trade. An all-MD library would make me the happiest man on Earth! J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
I think also MiniDiscs are a good alternative to taping concerts off FM radio stations, which I do quite often (our local country station airs a lot of concerts and such late at night) using analog tapes. While they obviously don't have the fidelity that a DAT deck would have they still sound many times better than an analog cassette deck would sound recording the same broadcast. It's a lot less hassle to transfer a MiniDisc recording to CDR because there aren't problems with "tape hiss" that have to be dealt with, so it is much hassle to edit and so forth. In truth we could go on all day long talking about different uses of MiniDiscs, that's why they are a great thing: because there are literally DOZENS of different applications that you can use them for! -Original Message- From: J. Coon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: Re: MD: The "proper" use for MIni Discs I think you are short sighted. MD has more uses than just copying CDs. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
Simon Mackay wrote: MD isn't just useful for music on the move (car, portable) but for "presentation" applications. This is where audio is used as part of a presentation or similar application. The buffer comes in handy on MD decks equipped with auto-pause and fader; which brings MD into this realm. A track could contain a sound effect; music used to dance to, sing to or line some "patter". When I wrote my note, I was referring only it's use with regard to music. I should have stated that. There are many non musical uses but these have never been "pushed" (the manufactures haven't done a very good pushing job of any kind) by the manufactures. There has only been one unit that I know of specifically designed for business and it is was expensive. There is no question that these units (and especially the new LP units) are great for "taking notes". But the primary use for the mini disc will always be for music. The percentage of units never used for music is probably close to zero (as opposed to those tiny mini cassette units that are never used for music). Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
=BEGIN QUOTE== very high quality portable music medium. Use it in your car, jog with it. Sure you can buy an expensive deck. Great for making the highest quality MD copies and titling, but why play back the MD on your $10,000 stereo unit? Play the original CD. =END QUOTE=== MD isn't just useful for music on the move (car, portable) but for "presentation" applications. This is where audio is used as part of a presentation or similar application. The buffer comes in handy on MD decks equipped with auto-pause and fader; which brings MD into this realm. A track could contain a sound effect; music used to dance to, sing to or line some "patter". To achieve this goal with tape, you would have to use a cassette deck and a tape which is recorded with particular sounds in a certain order. CDs and LPs are limiting hecause they are large and expose their music surfaces at all times. No affordable domestic CD player uses buffering to "pre-load" audio so that it is ready to go "on the button". Affordable MD decks like the Sony JE520 and JE530 have the essential features for this kind of application. Also, MD has the ability for users to name tracks and "search by name" designed in from the outset while CD's name abilities were designed in as an afterthought. When preparing the material, there is the ability to perform "razor-blade" editing on the recording -- good for eliminating "dead air" from the start and end of tracks. This means that even in advanced play modes, especially single-track repeat or program-play mode, there is no "dead air" in the program. Some Sony portable and car decks use the buffer to eliminate track-search "dead air" during shuffle play. If a deck is used in "auto-pause" mode, the first couple of seconds worth of an upcoming track are held in the buffer, ready to be started when the PLAY or FADER key is pressed -- if the track is edited properly, the audio comes out on cue. The size issue also is of importance for people who present music or perform "on location". They can carry more music than what they could have carried using other media. For example, a dance caller could keep a huge repertoire of music on hand in a school lunchbox or similar container rather than a couple of milk-crates or large cases. This means they have more opportunity to vary their entertainment "on the fly". Also, they could have plenty of discs full of many tracks' worth of background music to have playing during the dinner before the real entertainment starts. A clown, magician or similar entertainer could keep a few discs worth of "accent" music in a wallet-size container to play as part of their entertainment. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
las wrote: Simon Mackay wrote: MD isn't just useful for music on the move (car, portable) but for "presentation" applications. This is where audio is used as part of a presentation or similar application. The buffer comes in handy on MD decks equipped with auto-pause and fader; which brings MD into this realm. A track could contain a sound effect; music used to dance to, sing to or line some "patter". When I wrote my note, I was referring only it's use with regard to music. I should have stated that. There are many non musical uses but these have never been "pushed" (the manufactures haven't done a very good pushing job of any kind) by the manufactures. They have a lot of musical applications beyond just the consumer CD copying you regard as the primary purpose. Let's face it. MD is good in a lot of ways, even more than people realize. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
* "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 23 Oct 2000 | They have a lot of musical applications beyond just the consumer CD | copying you regard as the primary purpose. | Let's face it. MD is good in a lot of ways, even more than people | realize. Mix mastering. Dump your audio tracks to MD, then reorder them to your heart's content until you get it just the way you want it. You now have a master suitable for making cassettes or "analog" MDs. Or use your final playlist for making a master CD-R. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain types Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ of skin. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: The proper use for MIni Discs
I think you are short sighted. MD has more uses than just copying CDs. 1. It is a learning tool for students. a. Take it to a lecture and record it with a microphone. b. have a friend take it to a lecture if you have a hangover and need to sleep it off. c. Take it to a jam session to record new tunes tol learn 2. It is a practice aid. a. Record a tune you are learning, and play along with it. b. set it to repeat problem sections of a tune so you can hear it and practice that section. c. Record a band practice so you can play along with it later. 3. It is a cheap way to make a demo CD. a. Record your band on MD, edit out the mistakes and talking and dump it to a computer CDROM. b. Use the time and date stamp to see how long the cut will be. 4. It is a way to improve performances. a. Record the performance and listen to it afterwards. b. Record the tunes at a practice, and use the time/date stamp to see how many tunes you need for a gig. 5. It is a way to prepare a presentation. a. record your presentation and play it back tosee what needs to be improved. 5. It is a way to record business meetings. a. set it on the conference table with a mike and if you use one with time and dates stamping you knowwhen it was recorded. 6. Use it to master a CD a more than one CD has used a minidisc recorder to produce all are part of it. 7. Use it for a guided tour. A. record details on certain parts of the tour. play back that track when the bus gets to that site. 8. Use it for a back up band for a low paying gig. a. record a bunch of tunes to play though an amplifier when you play along with them. b. record a drum sequence and replace the drummer. (I hope Tony does't get mad) I am sure there are many more uses. las wrote: Yesterday it occurred to me that all of this arguing about how close an MD copy comes to the original CD misses the point. MDs should not (in my humble opinion) be considered substitutes for CDs. Unless you want constantly buy CDs only to make MD copies of (since prerecorded MDs are rare) and then sell the CDs at a loss, it makes no sense to play MDs in an expensive home system while their original CD sits on the shelf. If the CD is available, play the CD. The beauty of the MD is that it has sound quality almost as good as and possibly, to the human ear, as good as, a CD. While being smaller, better protected, etc. It is the ideal very high quality portable music medium. Use it in your car, jog with it. Sure you can buy an expensive deck. Great for making the highest quality MD copies and titling, but why play back the MD on your $10,000 stereo unit? Play the original CD. You want a copy so you can listen while your wife uses her copy of the CD in another room, that's what so called CD burners are for. Their prices have dropped way down, as did the price of CDRs. So wanting an extra copy of a CD is no longer the reason for copying it on to Md. Portability is the answer. With all of the other noise in your car, or while you are jogging with a pair of (even if they are very high quality) headphones, you are still not going to have the sound quality of a listening room designed specifically for audio. So don't go crazy trying to argue about whether an MD copy is just as good as a CD. It's MUCH better than tape! Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
