Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey

Kicking?

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey

Lysol will douse the smell issue.


Chevy PU was mousy inside.  I hosed it out and dried it,
still a bit mousy.  A few days of ozone and now it smells
normal, even on a hot day.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread MG
Yes the vac activates the mechanical lock. So if the mechanical 
lock button is in the up position then the door is unlocked and 
should open. That leaves a glued closed door from being closed 
for a long time or a problem with the latch system itself. Like 
Jim said kick it from the inside. Tie a rope around the handle 
outside and have someone pull on it like trying to open it. 
Careful not to pull too hard and possibly break the handle off. 
Never seen that but you never know. Hit it right below the window 
at the back end where there is a lot of metal and less chance of 
breaking the inside door panel. 2x4 flat with a big rubber hammer?


Manfred

clay wrote:

DOH!

I still need anybody who has a fair idea to point me in the proper direction for getting the passenger side door to open.  Sounds like the lock and the handles are functional.  Not the mushy response the other door gave.  


Does the vac just actuate the mechanical lock, or is it a separate system?  I 
have the bench seat out to clean up the mold that started since the car sat for 
a while.  Not bad, but all over the place.  Used diluted peroxide to tackle 
that.  Lysol will douse the smell issue.

Anyway, the door panel needs to be removed or a way to get it out of the way 
enough to access the latch and lock mechanism which might un-glue the door.  
Gary, Wilton, anybody else with a workable solution?


clay 



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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
I've had doors freeze shut when a rainy day was followed by a freeze at
night.  The wet rubber weatherstrip freezes to the body and it's nearly
impossible to get the door open.

Perhaps a similar think could happen to a car that's been sitting a long
time, the rubber weatherstripping is rusted to the body.

Allan

MG trainpain2...@aol.com writes:

 Yes the vac activates the mechanical lock. So if the mechanical 
 lock button is in the up position then the door is unlocked and 
 should open. That leaves a glued closed door from being closed 
 for a long time or a problem with the latch system itself. Like 
 Jim said kick it from the inside. Tie a rope around the handle 
 outside and have someone pull on it like trying to open it. 
 Careful not to pull too hard and possibly break the handle off. 
 Never seen that but you never know. Hit it right below the window 
 at the back end where there is a lot of metal and less chance of 
 breaking the inside door panel. 2x4 flat with a big rubber hammer?


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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:

 No, it shouldn't. In fact, you cannot judge the clearance with the
 master cylinder removed. You want to get under the dash and feel the
 rod that pushes the master cylinder piston (Dan called it the clevis
 rod) it should be loose with the brake pedal up. As you move the brake
 pedal down, the rod should tighten up. The rod should move 1 - 2 mm
 before it tightens up.

OK I had a look.  I can't really see the rod (or any way to adjust it)
because it's covered by a rubber bellows.

There does seem to be some free play at the top of the pedal travel.
There's a tiny bit (about 1/16 measured at the pedal) which I would
guess is slack in the mechanism, then a bit of resistance against the
return spring for about another 1/2 (again, measured at the pedal)
before it feels like the rod contacts the cylinder piston.

The pedal does not sink when held under pressure (with engine off/no
boost).

Additionally all the rubber lines at the calipers are new.  Calipers
themselves are of unknown age.

How likely would it be for both rears to be frozen?  I guess if there
had been water in the fluid, and the car sat for a while (as it did
before I bought it) that might not be too unlikely.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Aug 18, 2013 12:07 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 I've had doors freeze shut when a rainy day was followed by a freeze at
 night.  The wet rubber weatherstrip freezes to the body and it's nearly
 impossible to get the door open

Talcum powder on the rubber prevents that.

Alex
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[MBZ] floor underlayment

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
I had to pull most of the underlayment out of the W116 when I got it,
because it was waterlogged and disintegrating.

I seem to recall Rusty saying this material is not available, thinking
about using this as a substitute:

  http://www.lowes.com/pd_403030-11580-DB43X10RB_0__?productId=3698844

Thoughts?

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] floor underlayment

2013-08-18 Thread Peter Frederick
We bought some stuff from JC-Whitney when we did my brother's 300D.   
Worked fine, although he didn't paint the new sheetmetal very well and  
it rotted out.  The rubber sheet material is still there.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Craig
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:15:15 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
wrote:

 How likely would it be for both rears to be frozen?  I guess if there
 had been water in the fluid, and the car sat for a while (as it did
 before I bought it) that might not be too unlikely.

After I completed all the work of changing a 240D to a 240D/3.0 (which
took awhile, since I was going to graduate school at the time), both
front calipers were frozen, even to the point of my noticing that the car
didn't coast like it should. Replacing them fixed the problem. Several
months later after we were here in Los Alamos, I had to replace the rear
calipers. IIRC, that was because they were leaking brake fluid.


Craig

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[MBZ] Ot uverse

2013-08-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Anybody got ATT uverse? Apparently it is now available to my address and is 
quite is less than half the price I am paying for sat for a 24mb connection 
rather than the 12 I have now with limited data.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes:

 Chevy PU was mousy inside.  I hosed it out and dried it,
 still a bit mousy.  A few days of ozone and now it smells
 normal, even on a hot day.

Ozone?  How did you do this?  Did you build your own ozone generator out
of an old microwave oven?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Ot uverse

2013-08-18 Thread Mitch Haley

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Anybody got ATT uverse? Apparently it is now available to my address and is 
quite is less than half the price I am paying for sat for a 24mb connection rather 
than the 12 I have now with limited data.


I've got 3mb, which is apparently as high as it goes out here in the sticks.
Intro special at $14.95 a month for a year. Speedtest.net shows about 2.5-3mb,
but if you watch it go, it's not steady progress, it jumps along in spurts.
Actual loading of web pages can be very slow, nothing will happen for several 
seconds and then the page jumps up. Rumor has it that their DNS server is a good 
bit of the problem, I've got to get another router so I can try openDNS.org.
(if you let the ATT modem/router handle the router functions, you'll find that 
most of the settings are locked)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Time Window speakers

2013-08-18 Thread Mountain Man
Alex wrote:
  They sound absolutely beautiful.

How can we have anything sound absolutely beautiful today?  Everything
today is merely digital replica of how our ears used to listen to
musak.  What is the 'old' term for sound versus the current digital
replica? McIntosh/Dynaco/etc being the primary high end beautiful
sounds of yore.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ot uverse

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
ATT here was offering internet only service, no phone line or other
bundling required, for a decent price.  Didn't look into it too much as
it wasn't available in my neighborhood.


Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes:

 Anybody got ATT uverse? Apparently it is now available to my address and is 
 quite is less than half the price I am paying for sat for a 24mb connection 
 rather than the 12 I have now with limited data.

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Re: [MBZ] Ot uverse

2013-08-18 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote:
 Rumor has it that their DNS
 server is a good bit of the problem...

I heard a story this week that DNS is going to open to whatever you
want... for a price.  Richarde who began this email list at mbz.org
had an alternate DNS system that he was trying ICANN to adopt.  I
remember doing the setup to see the website atlantic.ocean - an
interesting concept.  Another 10 years and ICANN, who Richarde
maintained were idiots, has come his direction.  The problem? -
atlantic.ocean would cost something like 200k.  Yeah, that isn't gonna
happen, except for the 1% - so... we are out of luck.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:

 After I completed all the work of changing a 240D to a 240D/3.0 (which
 took awhile, since I was going to graduate school at the time), both
 front calipers were frozen, even to the point of my noticing that the car
 didn't coast like it should. Replacing them fixed the problem. Several
 months later after we were here in Los Alamos, I had to replace the rear
 calipers. IIRC, that was because they were leaking brake fluid.

I jacked up the rear of the car and with the transmission in neutral
tried to turn the wheels. I could hear the pads dragging slightly, but I
think that's normal, right?  The wheels turned easily by hand.  Does
that rule out sticking calipers?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Dan Penoff
Not really, as the pistons could be stuck or the caliper could be hung up on 
the rail it slides on, either one of which could cause the problem.  If you 
could have someone apply the brakes while you attempt to turn the rear wheels 
would give you a better idea.

Dan


On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

 Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:
 
 After I completed all the work of changing a 240D to a 240D/3.0 (which
 took awhile, since I was going to graduate school at the time), both
 front calipers were frozen, even to the point of my noticing that the car
 didn't coast like it should. Replacing them fixed the problem. Several
 months later after we were here in Los Alamos, I had to replace the rear
 calipers. IIRC, that was because they were leaking brake fluid.
 
 I jacked up the rear of the car and with the transmission in neutral
 tried to turn the wheels. I could hear the pads dragging slightly, but I
 think that's normal, right?  The wheels turned easily by hand.  Does
 that rule out sticking calipers?
 
 Allan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ot uverse

2013-08-18 Thread Craig
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:47:09 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
  Anybody got ATT uverse? Apparently it is now available to my address
  and is quite is less than half the price I am paying for sat for a
  24mb connection rather than the 12 I have now with limited data.

When did this message come through? I still have not seen the original.


 Rumor has it that their DNS server is a good bit of the problem, I've
 got to get another router so I can try openDNS.org. (if you let the
 ATT modem/router handle the router functions, you'll find that most of
 the settings are locked)

Can you not tell your computer to use

nameserver 208.67.222.222   # resolver1.opendns.com
nameserver 208.67.220.220   # resolver2.opendns.com

?

In Linux, all I do is change /etc/resolv.conf and I'm using different
name servers. If you do it by IP and not by name, unless the router
rejects DNS requests, I don't see why it would not work.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Pull the wheels off and see if you can push the pistons in... use a big
pair of pilers or similar between the top of the pad and the caliper.  If
you can't move them, they're seized.  If they move with great effort, the
hoses are plugged up.  You can crack open the bleed screw while applying
pressure to confirm this.  If fluid shoots out and the piston moves, the
hoses are the restriction.  (But beware that you're introducing air into
the system by doing so.)

With a car that old, you're pretty much guaranteed to need to replace
something... hoses at a minimum.  Old ones will definitely cause the
symptoms you're describing.

I'd start with checking all four calipers as I described, then replacing
the hoses.  If you find a stuck caliper, its best to replace them in pairs.


The brakes on a W116 should be quite excellent with good pedal free.  New
hoses are a big part of this feel.

Jaime



On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Not really, as the pistons could be stuck or the caliper could be hung up
 on the rail it slides on, either one of which could cause the problem.
  If you could have someone apply the brakes while you attempt to turn the
 rear wheels would give you a better idea.

 Dan


 On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

  Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:
 
  After I completed all the work of changing a 240D to a 240D/3.0 (which
  took awhile, since I was going to graduate school at the time), both
  front calipers were frozen, even to the point of my noticing that the
 car
  didn't coast like it should. Replacing them fixed the problem. Several
  months later after we were here in Los Alamos, I had to replace the rear
  calipers. IIRC, that was because they were leaking brake fluid.
 
  I jacked up the rear of the car and with the transmission in neutral
  tried to turn the wheels. I could hear the pads dragging slightly, but I
  think that's normal, right?  The wheels turned easily by hand.  Does
  that rule out sticking calipers?
 
  Allan
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Time Window speakers

2013-08-18 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Aug 18, 2013 4:15 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 Everything
 today is merely digital replica of how
 our ears used to listen to
 musak.

Some of us still have turntables ;)

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] slow DNS

2013-08-18 Thread Benz Hogs
If this is a stationary desktop, this will work. If you use a laptop and 
go from work network to home, to the coffee house, to a hotel, it will 
be more complicated than listed below.


In Windoze, open a command prompt and type ipconfig/all and find the 
section Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection.  Within this you will 
need:

IPv4 Address
Default Gateway

Open the Network and Sharing Center (under Control Panel) and hit 
Change adapter settings.  Right click on the connection Local Area 
Connection and click properties.  Select the TCP/IPv4 line and hit 
properties.  Change the bullet to Use the following IP Address and 
enter the above information.  Subnet mask is 255.255.255.0  Below the 
first 3, change to Use the following DNS server addresses and enter 
the nameserver numbers Craig gave below.  Click OK.



Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi)

On 8/18/2013 6:49 PM, Craig wrote:

Can you not tell your computer to use

nameserver 208.67.222.222   # resolver1.opendns.com
nameserver 208.67.220.220   # resolver2.opendns.com

?

In Linux, all I do is change /etc/resolv.conf and I'm using different
name servers. If you do it by IP and not by name, unless the router
rejects DNS requests, I don't see why it would not work.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Craig
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:16:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'd start with checking all four calipers as I described, then replacing
 the hoses.  If you find a stuck caliper, its best to replace them in
 pairs.
 
 
 The brakes on a W116 should be quite excellent with good pedal free.
 New hoses are a big part of this feel.


Note that he said earlier,

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:15:15 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
wrote:

 Additionally all the rubber lines at the calipers are new.  Calipers
 themselves are of unknown age.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Allan Streib
The hoses are all new, I've read about that often enough here that I
replaced them as a precaution when I got the car.  The master cylinder
is (now) also new.

I'll see if I can move the pistons.

Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes:

 Pull the wheels off and see if you can push the pistons in... use a big
 pair of pilers or similar between the top of the pad and the caliper.  If
 you can't move them, they're seized.  If they move with great effort, the
 hoses are plugged up.  You can crack open the bleed screw while applying
 pressure to confirm this.  If fluid shoots out and the piston moves, the
 hoses are the restriction.  (But beware that you're introducing air into
 the system by doing so.)

 With a car that old, you're pretty much guaranteed to need to replace
 something... hoses at a minimum.  Old ones will definitely cause the
 symptoms you're describing.

 I'd start with checking all four calipers as I described, then replacing
 the hoses.  If you find a stuck caliper, its best to replace them in pairs.


 The brakes on a W116 should be quite excellent with good pedal free.  New
 hoses are a big part of this feel.

 Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread clay
I gave that a try, but bare foot, took the red wings off.  Smacked it with a 
rubber mallet. moved the lock knob up and down, both handles a few dozen times.

Then this morning, kid is using Meguirs compound goo to cut some of the haze 
while I gave the leather some Lexol.  Windows are all down, bench is out in 
case that would help with panel removal.  Lean in the window to scrub and feed 
the back of the front seat.  Kid makes a comment about what a lame father I am 
for having not fixed the door by now.  I tell him where to stuff it, then yank 
on the handle and the dang door swings open.

WTF?

I am magic



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On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 Kicking?
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow DNS

2013-08-18 Thread Dave Cavner
namebench is an open source utility to help you locate the fastest DNS servers 
for your area. Works with WIN, Mac and Unix.
https://code.google.com/p/namebench/

Dave
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On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:

 If this is a stationary desktop, this will work. If you use a laptop and go 
 from work network to home, to the coffee house, to a hotel, it will be more 
 complicated than listed below.
 
 In Windoze, open a command prompt and type ipconfig/all and find the 
 section Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection.  Within this you will need:
 IPv4 Address
 Default Gateway
 
 Open the Network and Sharing Center (under Control Panel) and hit Change 
 adapter settings.  Right click on the connection Local Area Connection and 
 click properties.  Select the TCP/IPv4 line and hit properties.  Change the 
 bullet to Use the following IP Address and enter the above information.  
 Subnet mask is 255.255.255.0  Below the first 3, change to Use the following 
 DNS server addresses and enter the nameserver numbers Craig gave below.  
 Click OK.
 
 
 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi)
 
 On 8/18/2013 6:49 PM, Craig wrote:
 Can you not tell your computer to use
 
 nameserver 208.67.222.222   # resolver1.opendns.com
 nameserver 208.67.220.220   # resolver2.opendns.com
 
 ?
 
 In Linux, all I do is change /etc/resolv.conf and I'm using different
 name servers. If you do it by IP and not by name, unless the router
 rejects DNS requests, I don't see why it would not work.
 
 
 Craig


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Re: [MBZ] W116 brakes

2013-08-18 Thread Dieselhead

Pull the wheels off and see if you can push the pistons in... use a big
pair of pilers or similar between the top of the pad and the caliper.  If
you can't move them, they're seized.  If they move with great effort, the
hoses are plugged up.  You can crack open the bleed screw while applying
pressure to confirm this.  If fluid shoots out and the piston moves, the
hoses are the restriction.  (But beware that you're introducing air into
the system by doing so.)

With a car that old, you're pretty much guaranteed to need to replace
something... hoses at a minimum.  Old ones will definitely cause the
symptoms you're describing.

I'd start with checking all four calipers as I described, then replacing
the hoses.  If you find a stuck caliper, its best to replace them in pairs.


The brakes on a W116 should be quite excellent with good pedal free.  New
hoses are a big part of this feel.

Jaime

\
The problem is Jaime, that Allan already replace all the hoses.  See 
his 3:15 post:

Additionally all the rubber lines at the calipers are new.  Calipers
themselves are of unknown age.


So that leaves us with calipers or Master, but it sounds like the master is ok.

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[MBZ] Considering a W211 CDI

2013-08-18 Thread ned kleinhenz
I am considering a 2006 E320 CDI with about 95k miles on it.
I expect the current owner and I can negotiate a fair deal, so I am not
concerned about that aspect.

But in a test drive of this diesel, I noted three curiosities:

1. While accelerating on an entrance ramp this car left a large cloud of
black smoke.  My two 124 diesels never did this.  (But my old 123's sure
could leave a cloud)  Is this normal for a CDI? Should I be concerned?

2. The dash warning lights are showing an air bag fault. How serious might
this problem be on a W211?

3. This W211 made a rattle at a certain RPM that sounded like the cat heat
shield failing on my old 124's.  Does the W211 do this same thing? Or is
such a noise likely something more serious?

Anybody on the list have experience with this model who can share what they
know about these issues?

Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Considering a W211 CDI

2013-08-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I can tell you a cdi should not put out big clouds of black smoke. Something is 
wrong but not sure what. Hope it's cheap.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2013, at 9:11 PM, ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am considering a 2006 E320 CDI with about 95k miles on it.
 I expect the current owner and I can negotiate a fair deal, so I am not
 concerned about that aspect.
 
 But in a test drive of this diesel, I noted three curiosities:
 
 1. While accelerating on an entrance ramp this car left a large cloud of
 black smoke.  My two 124 diesels never did this.  (But my old 123's sure
 could leave a cloud)  Is this normal for a CDI? Should I be concerned?
 
 2. The dash warning lights are showing an air bag fault. How serious might
 this problem be on a W211?
 
 3. This W211 made a rattle at a certain RPM that sounded like the cat heat
 shield failing on my old 124's.  Does the W211 do this same thing? Or is
 such a noise likely something more serious?
 
 Anybody on the list have experience with this model who can share what they
 know about these issues?
 
 Thanks,
 Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Stuck rear doors

2013-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey

Ozone?  How did you do this?


I got an ozone generator at the thrift shop.  It's the teeny
tiny size, draws an amp of 12V or so.


Did you build your own ozone generator out
of an old microwave oven?


Could have.  I have a UV EPROM eraser I made many years ago.
The side effect of UV light is ozone.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Considering a W211 CDI

2013-08-18 Thread Craig
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:11:44 -0400 ned kleinhenz
ned.kleinh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am considering a 2006 E320 CDI with about 95k miles on it.
 I expect the current owner and I can negotiate a fair deal, so I am not
 concerned about that aspect.

Roger, who used to be on this list but recently dropped out of sight,
said the 2006s were to be avoided, that one should go for 2007 or later.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slow DNS

2013-08-18 Thread Craig
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:22:41 -0700 Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com
wrote:

 namebench is an open source utility to help you locate the fastest DNS
 servers for your area. Works with WIN, Mac and Unix.
 https://code.google.com/p/namebench/

Interesting concept. I have downloaded it and will have to try it out.

I don't see, though, how someone else's DNS server would be faster than
my own ISP's.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slow DNS

2013-08-18 Thread Benz Hogs
If they put it on a shared server or just plain don't invest enough 
resources to build their own quality server.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (169,xxx mi)

On 8/18/2013 10:34 PM, Craig wrote:

I don't see, though, how someone else's DNS server would be faster than
my own ISP's.


Craig


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[MBZ] Battery Reconditioning

2013-08-18 Thread Jerry Herrman
Have any of you tried the automotive storage battery re-conditioning procedures 
such as those on YouTube using aluminum sulfate or Epsom salt?
I am skeptical. On the other hand, I do not want to pass up something that will 
pull a couple more years of life out of a $100 battery. If you tried it, what 
were the results? If the results were good, was it worth the effort? 

Jerry
1982 240D


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Re: [MBZ] Ot uverse

2013-08-18 Thread Fmiser
   Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
   
   Anybody got ATT uverse? Apparently it is now available to my
   address and is quite is less than half the price I am paying
   for sat for a 24mb connection rather than the 12 I have now
   with limited data.

 Craig wrote:
 
 When did this message come through? I still have not seen the
 original.

Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:28:44 -0500

  Mitch wrote:
 
  Rumor has it that their DNS server is a good bit of the
  problem, I've got to get another router so I can try
  openDNS.org. (if you let the ATT modem/router handle the
  router functions, you'll find that most of the settings are
  locked)
 
 Can you not tell your computer to use
 
 nameserver 208.67.222.222   # resolver1.opendns.com
 nameserver 208.67.220.220   # resolver2.opendns.com
 
 If you do it by IP and not by name, unless the router rejects DNS
 requests, I don't see why it would not work.

Most MS Win users rely on DHCP from the router, from what I
gather.  To manually enter a DNS server requires a manually entered
IP address too, I think.

--  Philip, who is not much help with MS Win software.

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[MBZ] Mail not showing up [was: Re: Ot uverse]

2013-08-18 Thread Craig
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:54:51 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Anybody got ATT uverse? Apparently it is now available to my
address and is quite is less than half the price I am paying
for sat for a 24mb connection rather than the 12 I have now
with limited data.
 
  Craig wrote:
  
  When did this message come through? I still have not seen the
  original.
 
 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:28:44 -0500

That would be 16:28:44 -0600, where I am.

H  it never showed up here.

I do have the following emails on the subject,

16:47   Mitch
17:17   Allan Streib
17:27   Mountain Man
17:49   Craig (me)
21:54   Fmiser,

just not the original.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Old Time Window speakers

2013-08-18 Thread Hendrik and Fay
I suppose next thing you'll tell us is that you have one of them 
fandangled horseless carriages them fancy folk get around in nowadays?


Hendrik
who sits by the wireless and sings along

On 19/08/13 10:13, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Aug 18, 2013 4:15 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

Everything
today is merely digital replica of how
our ears used to listen to
musak.

Some of us still have turntables ;)

Alex




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