Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Clay writes:

>I am willing to deliver any list >member a car they acquire out >west.  

Really? I may take you up on that...

Rick 
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[MBZ] Stupid toada driver of the day

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Driving across town this morning:

Toada toad pulls out of a driveway on the right side, (in front of 
me) goes to the inside lane, straightens out and stops in the left 
lane.  Dead stop on a green light,  Sat there for a minute or two, 
then tried to do a u turn.


I was gone then,  out of range.

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Re: [MBZ] Park your 2005 Toyota Camry

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Curly will love this one!

Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN

http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


How is it that toada has not been sued out of existence for its 
negligence?  there are many companies that have been lawyered out of 
existence for making good products that nobody knew at the time were 
"dangerous".  Johns Manville and many roofing companies come to mind.


Could it be that toada has immunity because it is a darling of the 
liberal crowd?  Darling of consumer's Reports?  Or is that redundant?


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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Well if Andrew wants to 'nap a kid, he can take two weeks of his 
gen'rus gummit vacation to do the trip in 6 days out and 6 days back, 
and a couple days there to sightsee.  Boeing plants are cool, as are 
the related musei.  Then there is the Granville Island market in 
vancouver.  Better than that piddly thing in seattle that's overrun 
by kollyfornyuns.


Still would be good exercise for a TD.

I departed Orlando on a Saturday afternoon, spent a goodly portion 
of the next day in Ashville, NC, then headed west on long day 
drives.  I was held up in SLC for most of a day, but still made it 
home in time for lunch Thursday. 

The drive east on I-90 took six days because I had to stop at a 
"place of interest" at least once each day for the navigator (10yr 
old #1 boy) to get some learning.  Mt. Rushmore, Petrified forest, 
Custer battle field, corn palace and Wall Drug, St. Louis Arch, 
Devils Mount, Picketts fort, Gettysburg.


clay



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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[clay via Mercedes]

I departed Orlando on a Saturday afternoon, spent a goodly portion of the next 
day in Ashville, NC, then headed west on long day drives.  I was held up in SLC 
for most of a day, but still made it home in time for lunch Thursday.  

The drive east on I-90 took six days because I had to stop at a "place of 
interest" at least once each day for the navigator (10yr old #1 boy) to get 
some learning.  Mt. Rushmore, Petrified forest, Custer battle field, corn 
palace and Wall Drug, St. Louis Arch, Devils Mount, Picketts fort, Gettysburg.

clay



On Apr 28, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> 3 days from DC to Seatle?  I would need a team of reserve drivers.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I believe he is in Seattle, Andrew.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>> 
>> Nothin to it!  Andrew takes a week off from whatever a BLM guy does.
>> 3 days out, a day there, 3 days back with plants!
>> And the TD gets cleaned out nicely!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[clay via Mercedes]

SWMBA was doing windmill permitting for a number of years.  The biggest issue 
for siting was being able to find a reliable connection to the grid.  Nobody is 
building new access points or hanging fresh wire, so most of this stuff goes 
where the wire is, not where it is best to get your wind on.  Old Warren Buffet 
purchased a the local big energy firm that sold itself to Scottish power.  He 
did diddly squat for making it a better service provider.  He and Berkshire 
just raped it and then sold it on for massive profit.  I think Warren and 
Berkshire are pirates plundering America.

clay



On Apr 28, 2015, at 8:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic.
> 
> The weak link in civilization of modern living is the power grid. Parts of
> the grid are now over 100 years old and in very poor condition, in some
> places critical condition. While power companies increase rates, nothing is
> planned to repair or rebuild the failing transmission grid for power. For
> example, the supply of major transformers is critical. If one fails, the
> lead time to build a replacement is measured in months or in some cases,
> years. They have to come from a foreign country, because American companies
> that build them are either closed or restricted by EPA rules,
> 
> Coal fired generating plants are now severely restricted, as is the mining
> of coal, for generation of additional electrical energy.. over a tired and
> aged grid..
> 
> Would it really be "good" to add more load to the already loaded electrical
> grid with thousands of electrical cars being charged?
> 
> Is there another transportation device which would serve the city dwelling
> public better, at lower total cost?
> 
> For the millions of dollars spent [perhaps billions] in development of
> electric car models, the purchase and maintenance, and ultimately,
> disposal, has it been a good investment?
> 
> Do all ecco vehicles have to be so ugly? [except for Tesla, perhaps, which
> is to small and to low to be driven by anyone that isn't a circus midget or
> a clown car driver.]
> 
> Range with an electric vehicle is the holy grail. Is there any hope in the
> reasonable future for economic development of an energy storage device with
> enough capacity to equal a petrol car? One that normal working people could
> afford?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Bike or motor scooter in the rain or snow?
>> The fact is that most people (I almost wrote most Americans but I'd think
>> we have longer commutes than most) don't travel more than 20 miles each
>> day. In LA its way less since 20 miles can be a 2 hour commute. For those
>> folks an electric car fits the bill nicely and in fact an internal
>> combustion engine for them is living in "severe duty" because the engine
>> never warms up.
>> 
>> Is it perfect in every occasion? No of course not but remember for each
>> one of THEM driving one of THOSE there is more oil left over for YOU to
>> drive one of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for
>> electric cars...
>> -Curt
>>  From: Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
>> 
>> I mean come on now let's face it, the leaf is a worthless POS with no
>> range! Pointless as far as I can see. If I need to get around urban traffic
>> at stop and go pace without AC I might as well ride a bike or motor scooter.
>> Leave it to Japan to create another cutesy turd.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities have freeways.
>>> Western cities cover several hundred square miles of land and have long
>>> freeways that require high speed travel. While you may live and work in a
>>> totally urban environment with all needs within near walking distance.. a
>>> large segment of this country does not.
>>> 
>>> This Leaf should have never been sold for use in this city, so you are
>>> correct, "it doesn't work for me" and "it didn't work for the leasor"
>>> either.. not here, where summertime temps routinely reach over 110 and AC
>>> is required for survival. The design power supply will run AC nicely..
>> but
>>> only give you about 40 miles of range, if you keep speeds below 40 MPH.
>>> 
>>> Sorry for your burn.. but, here, it doesn't work.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 It burns me when people say something is "bad" when using it outside of
 the design specification. The Leaf is a city car, not a highway car. I'm
 sure you know that the force required to move something increases
 geometrically with an exponential increase in speed.
 The place where an electric car excels is whe

Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[clay via Mercedes]

I am willing to deliver any list member a car they acquire out west.  Triple A 
will cover my tow needs.  I was not able to deliver Dave from Idaho his W124, 
but did do lots of the legwork on it and met him at the airport, delivered him 
to the car and he drove it home his own self.

clay

On Apr 28, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 28/04/2015 10:37 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I will gladly take berry plants off your hands. Are you anywhere near D.C.?
>> 
>> Not close, but your TD needs a road trip!  13 miles a day don't cut it for a 
>> classy highway car.  Give one of em some exercise!
>> 
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> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] today’s Nice Price or Crack Pipe Mercedes

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

--R wrote:

 "I think it is really time for these pointless distractions and old
 political allegations to be put aside while I work on opportunities for
 middle-class Americans like myself"


How about another suggestion?
Hang it up.
Be done with opportunities for yerself.
You done well from sounds of it.  Give the next opportunity to a young
'un that can sow that opportunity to another young 'un a few years
from now.  Maybe we can foster community instead of... whatever.  How
many pension does one american need?  Can't we all just get along?
mao


Now thar's an Idee!


How about another suggestion?

Hang it up.

So long as the "definition of it" is the old hag pillary,

And while we're at it: Clint Eastwood:  "hang em high"
Do both pillary and billy bob at the same time.

Treason, multiple counts
many counts of murder, take yer pick.
fraud
conspiracy

Probably a way to do an Al Capone to them by the irs too.  The new 
'merkun crime family.


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Re: [MBZ] More mower again

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Just to gripe some more. Bought a new battery, the larger 275 amp 
battery and had to crank the hell out of it and it finally started. 
Probably needs carbs cleaned or rebuilt after 10 years. Also when 
cranking even with a new battery someone's while cranking the 
starter sort of bogs down and won't turn the engine, j have to hit 
the key several times and it will start cranking over again. It had 
done this almost since new. I thought it might Have been related to 
valve clearance and compression too high but I have adjusted the 
valves in

The past and it still does it.


Kubota Diesel

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Re: [MBZ] More mower again

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Well a lot of times it will do it immediately when trying to start 
it with no previous cranking. Hit the key a few times and it will 
go. It's like the engine rotates to a certain point and can't 
overcome. And if you kit the key a few times it will finally 
overcome that spot and crank further, almost like it has to get a 
running start if that makes any sense.


Sent from my iPhone


Dead spot on the armature?

Kubota Diesel  or yanmar, satoh, buffalo, IH, etc so long as its a diesel

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Re: [MBZ] GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

clay wrote:
> ...Heaven forbid the kids learn how to do anything.

What 'chew talkin' about?
Kids learn that they have professionals do all things - ALL things.
Just pay someone else.  Ain't that learnin'?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] today’s Nice Price or Crack Pipe Mercedes

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> "I think it is really time for these pointless distractions and old
> political allegations to be put aside while I work on opportunities for
> middle-class Americans like myself"

How about another suggestion?
Hang it up.
Be done with opportunities for yerself.
You done well from sounds of it.  Give the next opportunity to a young
'un that can sow that opportunity to another young 'un a few years
from now.  Maybe we can foster community instead of... whatever.  How
many pension does one american need?  Can't we all just get along?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More mower again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well a lot of times it will do it immediately when trying to start it with no 
previous cranking. Hit the key a few times and it will go. It's like the engine 
rotates to a certain point and can't overcome. And if you kit the key a few 
times it will finally overcome that spot and crank further, almost like it has 
to get a running start if that makes any sense.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2015, at 6:31 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> 
> The starter was over heating from all the cranking - they are not built to do 
> that. You should limit the cranking to perhaps 30 seconds with 10 - 30 
> minutes between tries. Of course, you will never get it started this way - - 
> - -
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Just to gripe some more. Bought a new battery, the larger 275 amp battery 
>> and had to crank the hell out of it and it finally started. Probably needs 
>> carbs cleaned or rebuilt after 10 years. Also when cranking even with a new 
>> battery someone's while cranking the starter sort of bogs down and won't 
>> turn the engine, j have to hit the key several times and it will start 
>> cranking over again. It had done this almost since new. I thought it might 
>> Have been related to valve clearance and compression too high but I have 
>> adjusted the valves in
>> The past and it still does it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
> 
> “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
> people need it sorely on these accounts.” – Mark Twain
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
> themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers
> 
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] More mower again

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The starter was over heating from all the cranking - they are not built to
do that. You should limit the cranking to perhaps 30 seconds with 10 - 30
minutes between tries. Of course, you will never get it started this way -
- - -

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just to gripe some more. Bought a new battery, the larger 275 amp battery
> and had to crank the hell out of it and it finally started. Probably needs
> carbs cleaned or rebuilt after 10 years. Also when cranking even with a new
> battery someone's while cranking the starter sort of bogs down and won't
> turn the engine, j have to hit the key several times and it will start
> cranking over again. It had done this almost since new. I thought it might
> Have been related to valve clearance and compression too high but I have
> adjusted the valves in
> The past and it still does it.
>
>

-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] More mower again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just to gripe some more. Bought a new battery, the larger 275 amp battery and 
had to crank the hell out of it and it finally started. Probably needs carbs 
cleaned or rebuilt after 10 years. Also when cranking even with a new battery 
someone's while cranking the starter sort of bogs down and won't turn the 
engine, j have to hit the key several times and it will start cranking over 
again. It had done this almost since new. I thought it might Have been related 
to valve clearance and compression too high but I have adjusted the valves in
The past and it still does it. 

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] today’s Nice Price or Crack Pipe Mercedes

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

"I think it is really time for these pointless distractions and old 
political allegations to be put aside while I work on opportunities for 
middle-class Americans like myself"


--R

On 4/28/15 4:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

That would make a great headline page for the National Inquirer...
hahahahahaha

"Hillarys' email server found in Mercedes trunk sold on Ebay" .. ;)

I'm sure she will "splain it away" at the next congressional hearing... yup.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Crack.  $4,400 would be a nice price, $44,000 is delusional, unless this
was H.R. Clinton's car and it comes with her email server in the trunk, and
you have Trey Gowdy's phone number handy.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:




http://jalopnik.com/this-1991-mercedes-350sd-asks-44-000-is-originally-fr-1700374182

--R



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Re: [MBZ] today’s Nice Price or Crack Pipe Mercedes

[G Mann via Mercedes]

That would make a great headline page for the National Inquirer...
hahahahahaha

"Hillarys' email server found in Mercedes trunk sold on Ebay" .. ;)

I'm sure she will "splain it away" at the next congressional hearing... yup.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Crack.  $4,400 would be a nice price, $44,000 is delusional, unless this
> was H.R. Clinton's car and it comes with her email server in the trunk, and
> you have Trey Gowdy's phone number handy.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> http://jalopnik.com/this-1991-mercedes-350sd-asks-44-000-is-originally-fr-1700374182
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, but for how long?  All it takes is the Iran deal falling apart for
oil pries to rebound.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grant,
>
> No worries, cheap gas has killed the electrics and hybrids.  Nobody is
> buying them anymore, SUV is back baby!
>
> http://time.com/money/3827218/electric-car-sales-cheap-gas/
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] today’s Nice Price or Crack Pipe Mercedes

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Crack.  $4,400 would be a nice price, $44,000 is delusional, unless this
was H.R. Clinton's car and it comes with her email server in the trunk, and
you have Trey Gowdy's phone number handy.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://jalopnik.com/this-1991-mercedes-350sd-asks-44-000-is-originally-fr-1700374182
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Grant,

No worries, cheap gas has killed the electrics and hybrids.  Nobody is
buying them anymore, SUV is back baby!

http://time.com/money/3827218/electric-car-sales-cheap-gas/

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Andrew sez:
>>>I can drive all day.  it's staying >>>awake that's the problem.

>>Modafinil. For shift work >>disorder, narcolepsy, and road >>trips. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil

>Hey thanks - I might need that >although I wonder about the side >effects...


None. Zero. Zip. Nada. 
You stay awake, and alert. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Two aspects to your line of question.

First, "we" must pass regulations that would force electric cars to only 
be charged at night for load leveling.   We would therefore be able to 
have larger baseload plants that could run more efficiently than peaking 
unit.  Problem is that wind machines and solar generators would be 
somewhat problematic, so nukes or fossil would be the way to go.  Some 
proposals have already been floated and prototyped to use pumped storage 
of water for a similar solution. During the day the cars, if plugged in, 
could also amount to "spinning" reserve that could be drawn from to 
level peak loads on the grid.  After all, they are just big batteries 
like you would put in your solarwind house.  Screw you if you need to 
get home and your car has been sucked dry for the common good, you 
should be riding mass transit anyway.


The second aspect is a lot cheaper and already underway by our esteemed 
president.  Allowing the Iraniums and NORKs to build their nukes and the 
NORKs to build ICBMs is providing a near-term solution to the failing 
electric grid by detonating an EMP or two in the proper locations, hence 
providing a massive economic renewal opportunity that would put many to 
work in the subsistence arts and firearms industries.  And of course we 
would need a massive gummint bureaucracy with really smart people who 
know better than most peons to make sure it was all being done in the 
fairest possible way to meet all needs.  Full employment, full happiness 
for all!


--R



On 4/28/15 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic.

The weak link in civilization of modern living is the power grid. Parts of
the grid are now over 100 years old and in very poor condition, in some
places critical condition. While power companies increase rates, nothing is
planned to repair or rebuild the failing transmission grid for power. For
example, the supply of major transformers is critical. If one fails, the
lead time to build a replacement is measured in months or in some cases,
years. They have to come from a foreign country, because American companies
that build them are either closed or restricted by EPA rules,

Coal fired generating plants are now severely restricted, as is the mining
of coal, for generation of additional electrical energy.. over a tired and
aged grid..

Would it really be "good" to add more load to the already loaded electrical
grid with thousands of electrical cars being charged?

Is there another transportation device which would serve the city dwelling
public better, at lower total cost?

For the millions of dollars spent [perhaps billions] in development of
electric car models, the purchase and maintenance, and ultimately,
disposal, has it been a good investment?

Do all ecco vehicles have to be so ugly? [except for Tesla, perhaps, which
is to small and to low to be driven by anyone that isn't a circus midget or
a clown car driver.]

Range with an electric vehicle is the holy grail. Is there any hope in the
reasonable future for economic development of an energy storage device with
enough capacity to equal a petrol car? One that normal working people could
afford?



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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andrew sez:
>I can drive all day.  it's staying >awake that's the problem.

Modafinil. For shift work disorder, narcolepsy, and road trips. 
‎
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I can drive all day.  it's staying awake that's the problem.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 3 days from DC to Seatle?  I would need a team of reserve drivers.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <> mercedes@okiebenz.com>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe he is in Seattle, Andrew.
>>
>> RB
>>
>>
>> Nothin to it!  Andrew takes a week off from whatever a BLM guy does.
>> 3 days out, a day there, 3 days back with plants!
>> And the TD gets cleaned out nicely!
>>
>
> 2 days of 1000 miles per day and one day of only 700.  Maybe a squash
> player isn't in great shape after all?  A Handball player could do it.  And
> you could earn a double iron butt award if you did the driving yourself!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

3 days from DC to Seatle?  I would need a team of reserve drivers.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I believe he is in Seattle, Andrew.

RB


Nothin to it!  Andrew takes a week off from whatever a BLM guy does.
3 days out, a day there, 3 days back with plants!
And the TD gets cleaned out nicely!


2 days of 1000 miles per day and one day of only 700.  Maybe a squash 
player isn't in great shape after all?  A Handball player could do 
it.  And you could earn a double iron butt award if you did the 
driving yourself!



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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

G Mann sez:  I raise this line of question in the chain of 
transportation logic.


The weak link in civilization of modern living is the power grid. Parts of
the grid are now over 100 years old and in very poor condition, in some
places critical condition. While power companies increase rates, nothing is
planned to repair or rebuild the failing transmission grid for power. For
example, the supply of major transformers is critical. If one fails, the
lead time to build a replacement is measured in months or in some cases,
years. They have to come from a foreign country, because American companies
that build them are either closed or restricted by EPA rules,

Coal fired generating plants are now severely restricted, as is the mining
of coal, for generation of additional electrical energy.. over a tired and
aged grid..

Would it really be "good" to add more load to the already loaded electrical
grid with thousands of electrical cars being charged?

Is there another transportation device which would serve the city dwelling
public better, at lower total cost?


A mule comes to mind.  especially in suburbia where the off duty mule 
might double as a lawnmower as well as fertilizing the lawn.  Think 
of the economic boom that adopting mules would create!  Sales of 
fence posts, wire, staples, tack, oats, hitching racks, shovels and 
forks would skyrocket!


It could also entertain the kids when tv is off because of blackout 
from the electric grid failing.


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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

3 days from DC to Seatle?  I would need a team of reserve drivers.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I believe he is in Seattle, Andrew.
>>
>> RB
>>
>
> Nothin to it!  Andrew takes a week off from whatever a BLM guy does.
> 3 days out, a day there, 3 days back with plants!
> And the TD gets cleaned out nicely!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I believe he is in Seattle, Andrew.

RB


Nothin to it!  Andrew takes a week off from whatever a BLM guy does.
3 days out, a day there, 3 days back with plants!
And the TD gets cleaned out nicely!

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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You need to "trim your posts".

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic.
>
> The weak link in civilization of modern living is the power grid. Parts of
> the grid are now over 100 years old and in very poor condition, in some
> places critical condition. While power companies increase rates, nothing is
> planned to repair or rebuild the failing transmission grid for power. For
> example, the supply of major transformers is critical. If one fails, the
> lead time to build a replacement is measured in months or in some cases,
> years. They have to come from a foreign country, because American companies
> that build them are either closed or restricted by EPA rules,
>
> Coal fired generating plants are now severely restricted, as is the mining
> of coal, for generation of additional electrical energy.. over a tired and
> aged grid..
>
> Would it really be "good" to add more load to the already loaded electrical
> grid with thousands of electrical cars being charged?
>
> Is there another transportation device which would serve the city dwelling
> public better, at lower total cost?
>
> For the millions of dollars spent [perhaps billions] in development of
> electric car models, the purchase and maintenance, and ultimately,
> disposal, has it been a good investment?
>
> Do all ecco vehicles have to be so ugly? [except for Tesla, perhaps, which
> is to small and to low to be driven by anyone that isn't a circus midget or
> a clown car driver.]
>
> Range with an electric vehicle is the holy grail. Is there any hope in the
> reasonable future for economic development of an energy storage device with
> enough capacity to equal a petrol car? One that normal working people could
> afford?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Bike or motor scooter in the rain or snow?
> > The fact is that most people (I almost wrote most Americans but I'd think
> > we have longer commutes than most) don't travel more than 20 miles each
> > day. In LA its way less since 20 miles can be a 2 hour commute. For those
> > folks an electric car fits the bill nicely and in fact an internal
> > combustion engine for them is living in "severe duty" because the engine
> > never warms up.
> >
> > Is it perfect in every occasion? No of course not but remember for each
> > one of THEM driving one of THOSE there is more oil left over for YOU to
> > drive one of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for
> > electric cars...
> > -Curt
> >   From: Dimitri via Mercedes 
> >  To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
> >
> > I mean come on now let's face it, the leaf is a worthless POS with no
> > range! Pointless as far as I can see. If I need to get around urban
> traffic
> > at stop and go pace without AC I might as well ride a bike or motor
> scooter.
> > Leave it to Japan to create another cutesy turd.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities have
> freeways.
> > > Western cities cover several hundred square miles of land and have long
> > > freeways that require high speed travel. While you may live and work
> in a
> > > totally urban environment with all needs within near walking
> distance.. a
> > > large segment of this country does not.
> > >
> > > This Leaf should have never been sold for use in this city, so you are
> > > correct, "it doesn't work for me" and "it didn't work for the leasor"
> > > either.. not here, where summertime temps routinely reach over 110 and
> AC
> > > is required for survival. The design power supply will run AC nicely..
> > but
> > > only give you about 40 miles of range, if you keep speeds below 40 MPH.
> > >
> > > Sorry for your burn.. but, here, it doesn't work.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It burns me when people say something is "bad" when using it outside
> of
> > >> the design specification. The Leaf is a city car, not a highway car.
> I'm
> > >> sure you know that the force required to move something increases
> > >> geometrically with an exponential increase in speed.
> > >> The place where an electric car excels is when you sit in traffic. If
> > the
> > >> AC/heat/lights aren't on the electric car uses basically no energy at
> > all
> > >> or just the little.
> > >> So its not that its a bad car, its a bad car for YOU. Where your
> diesel
> > >> pickup is a bad vehicle for people who live in the city, it uses too
> > much
> > >> fuel, is too hard to navigate down little streets and is way too hard
> to
> > >> park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their d

Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Drove to OH and back recently, about 900 miles.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 28/04/2015 10:37 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I will gladly take berry plants off your hands. Are you anywhere near
>>> D.C.?
>>>
>>
>> Not close, but your TD needs a road trip!  13 miles a day don't cut it
>> for a classy highway car.  Give one of em some exercise!
>>
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> And, think of all the forum members you could visit along the way.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic.

The weak link in civilization of modern living is the power grid. Parts of
the grid are now over 100 years old and in very poor condition, in some
places critical condition. While power companies increase rates, nothing is
planned to repair or rebuild the failing transmission grid for power. For
example, the supply of major transformers is critical. If one fails, the
lead time to build a replacement is measured in months or in some cases,
years. They have to come from a foreign country, because American companies
that build them are either closed or restricted by EPA rules,

Coal fired generating plants are now severely restricted, as is the mining
of coal, for generation of additional electrical energy.. over a tired and
aged grid..

Would it really be "good" to add more load to the already loaded electrical
grid with thousands of electrical cars being charged?

Is there another transportation device which would serve the city dwelling
public better, at lower total cost?

For the millions of dollars spent [perhaps billions] in development of
electric car models, the purchase and maintenance, and ultimately,
disposal, has it been a good investment?

Do all ecco vehicles have to be so ugly? [except for Tesla, perhaps, which
is to small and to low to be driven by anyone that isn't a circus midget or
a clown car driver.]

Range with an electric vehicle is the holy grail. Is there any hope in the
reasonable future for economic development of an energy storage device with
enough capacity to equal a petrol car? One that normal working people could
afford?





On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bike or motor scooter in the rain or snow?
> The fact is that most people (I almost wrote most Americans but I'd think
> we have longer commutes than most) don't travel more than 20 miles each
> day. In LA its way less since 20 miles can be a 2 hour commute. For those
> folks an electric car fits the bill nicely and in fact an internal
> combustion engine for them is living in "severe duty" because the engine
> never warms up.
>
> Is it perfect in every occasion? No of course not but remember for each
> one of THEM driving one of THOSE there is more oil left over for YOU to
> drive one of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for
> electric cars...
> -Curt
>   From: Dimitri via Mercedes 
>  To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
>
> I mean come on now let's face it, the leaf is a worthless POS with no
> range! Pointless as far as I can see. If I need to get around urban traffic
> at stop and go pace without AC I might as well ride a bike or motor scooter.
> Leave it to Japan to create another cutesy turd.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities have freeways.
> > Western cities cover several hundred square miles of land and have long
> > freeways that require high speed travel. While you may live and work in a
> > totally urban environment with all needs within near walking distance.. a
> > large segment of this country does not.
> >
> > This Leaf should have never been sold for use in this city, so you are
> > correct, "it doesn't work for me" and "it didn't work for the leasor"
> > either.. not here, where summertime temps routinely reach over 110 and AC
> > is required for survival. The design power supply will run AC nicely..
> but
> > only give you about 40 miles of range, if you keep speeds below 40 MPH.
> >
> > Sorry for your burn.. but, here, it doesn't work.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It burns me when people say something is "bad" when using it outside of
> >> the design specification. The Leaf is a city car, not a highway car. I'm
> >> sure you know that the force required to move something increases
> >> geometrically with an exponential increase in speed.
> >> The place where an electric car excels is when you sit in traffic. If
> the
> >> AC/heat/lights aren't on the electric car uses basically no energy at
> all
> >> or just the little.
> >> So its not that its a bad car, its a bad car for YOU. Where your diesel
> >> pickup is a bad vehicle for people who live in the city, it uses too
> much
> >> fuel, is too hard to navigate down little streets and is way too hard to
> >> park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their design
> >> parameters.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
> >> To: Andrew Strasfogel ; Mercedes Discussion
> List <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 2:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
> >>
> >> No heater, no AC, no lights. Just drove it at prevailing freeway traffi

Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 28/04/2015 10:37 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I will gladly take berry plants off your hands. Are you anywhere near 
D.C.?


Not close, but your TD needs a road trip!  13 miles a day don't cut it 
for a classy highway car.  Give one of em some exercise!


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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I will gladly take berry plants off your hands. Are you anywhere near D.C.?


Not close, but your TD needs a road trip!  13 miles a day don't cut 
it for a classy highway car.  Give one of em some exercise!


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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I believe he is in Seattle, Andrew.

RB

On 28/04/2015 9:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I will gladly take berry plants off your hands. Are you anywhere near D.C.?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:29 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:


I have been working the past two weeks and not been able to play with
stuff at home.  Today I got to see what the garden was up to.  It has been
going nuts.

I began work on the chicken run, so the gals can play outside without Papa
chicken around.  Should have that nailed down by the end of the week.

Looked around the garden and yanked some weeds and saw all the dang
volunteers and plants that need new homes.  Freecycle got lost of postings
for adoption of Marionberries, Dogwood tree starts, Crocomisia, Sedums, and
some other thing I am now forgetting.

The pumpkin starts, watermelon starts and broccoli and greens all got
placed.  I am keeping an eye on the carrots, lettuce and beans (from seed)
while the tomato and peppers are getting a chance to build strength before
getting placed in the beds.  The chicks will get to eat whatever sprouts
from the weavil infested bird seed I spread in a bare patch of ground that
will be enclosed in a month.  The girls do need to have lots of space to
wander and explore.

The O'Henry Peach tree was starting to have some leaf curl troubles, and
as luck would have it, I still have a whole bottle of the now banned Sulfur
spray solution, so that got applied.  I had to keep the chicks away from
that section of the garden while I had them out on the lawn this
afternoon.  Wonderful day with 76*f temps.

clay

Who will address the dang leaking power steering pump on Tuesday
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Re: [MBZ] GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ATTABOY!  What color?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:44 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My newest acquisition is a 76 300D.  Daily driver is 02 S430, toy is the
> 74 SL.
>
> I can work on the SL and the diesel.  I would not even hazard a guess as
> to what to screw with on the W220.  Too many computers and just plain
> garbage fit and finish.  I am assuming the majority of the population has
> no idea how a car works, and does not want to know.  Looking at the public
> high school curriculum there is no longer any shop or horticulture classes
> offered.  Heaven forbid the kids learn how to do anything.  Even home
> economy is no longer offered.  No need to clean or cook to stay alive.
>
> clay
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > I drive a '90 which is now legally an antique.
> > On Apr 24, 2015 5:22 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I can't believe that there are people who actually drive cars newer than
> >> 1985!  What's that about?
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> 1983 300TD starting to tarnish along the edges
> >> 1985 300TD looks new
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The pacification of the population began years ago.  Most people no
> >> longer
> >>> know how to do anything for themselves, and have no desire to.  A
> >>> paternalistic society that follows orders is what we have now.  The
> >>> progressives are all bark with no bite or capability to disrupt our
> >>> overlords.  Soon the sheeple will be marching into rail cars and be
> >>> transported to cleansing camps.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:39 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
>  Our great country was designed by geniuses.
> 
>  It is now run by idiots.
> 
>  Any questions before the revolt starts?
> 
>  On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/gm-ford-others-want-working-own-car-illegal-16229.html
> >
> > --R
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Re: [MBZ] Plant Amnesty

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I will gladly take berry plants off your hands. Are you anywhere near D.C.?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:29 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I have been working the past two weeks and not been able to play with
> stuff at home.  Today I got to see what the garden was up to.  It has been
> going nuts.
>
> I began work on the chicken run, so the gals can play outside without Papa
> chicken around.  Should have that nailed down by the end of the week.
>
> Looked around the garden and yanked some weeds and saw all the dang
> volunteers and plants that need new homes.  Freecycle got lost of postings
> for adoption of Marionberries, Dogwood tree starts, Crocomisia, Sedums, and
> some other thing I am now forgetting.
>
> The pumpkin starts, watermelon starts and broccoli and greens all got
> placed.  I am keeping an eye on the carrots, lettuce and beans (from seed)
> while the tomato and peppers are getting a chance to build strength before
> getting placed in the beds.  The chicks will get to eat whatever sprouts
> from the weavil infested bird seed I spread in a bare patch of ground that
> will be enclosed in a month.  The girls do need to have lots of space to
> wander and explore.
>
> The O'Henry Peach tree was starting to have some leaf curl troubles, and
> as luck would have it, I still have a whole bottle of the now banned Sulfur
> spray solution, so that got applied.  I had to keep the chicks away from
> that section of the garden while I had them out on the lawn this
> afternoon.  Wonderful day with 76*f temps.
>
> clay
>
> Who will address the dang leaking power steering pump on Tuesday
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[MBZ] today’s Nice Price or Crack Pipe Mercedes

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/this-1991-mercedes-350sd-asks-44-000-is-originally-fr-1700374182

--R

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Re: [MBZ] i'll trade for a leaf pious or honda insight

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wouldn't mind one of the first generation Insights, they were pretty cool. 
The newer ones look like a Pious clone...
-Curt
  From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:39 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] i'll trade for a leaf pious or honda insight
   
Folks

i'll be happy to trade 2 or 3 rusty project 300 TD cars for a pious insight or 
leaf

i'd love to have one to play with
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

It seems that it would be easier to build portable synthetic diesel plants and 
move them to the old land fills around the country and create synthetic diesel 
from all the methane that's available.  Or tap into some natural gas where it's 
not economical to transport.  Or just build a plant in DC and capture the 
political "gas" to create the diesel and the "hot air" as a power source.  This 
water source method seems like a new way to sell wind mills and other items or 
as a new income source for Holland since flowers probably aren't selling as 
good due to the wonderful state of the world economy.  Probably good for Europe 
as they are all packed together like sardines, but maybe not so much in Texas 
or Montana. 
Just some thoughts... 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com  (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com  (antique) 

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