Re: mc-cgi and a database -- ideas, please

[Dave Cragg]

At 11:13 pm +0900 13/11/03, kweto wrote:
Hello List,

Sorry for the off-topic'ness -- and vagueness! -- of this bit of
self-indulgence but since this is the best and gentlest group to ask, I'll
fire away anyway.
I'm looking to put together a language-learning website that my students --
and my students *only* -- can access from their home pc's and which,
invisibly in the background, updates a database of student records (eg,
names, passwords, dates site was accessed, time spent on the various
language activities, grades). Of course, I want to involve mc-cgi in this as
much as possible. (I've already been relying successfully on mc-cgi for a
while now to help run my other internet-based doo-dahs.)
The following "model" is my stab-in-the-dark attempt at envisioning the
basic pieces of this puzzle and how to co-ordinate them:
1. on the web-server (a paid-for hosting service), I password-protect the
website's top-folder and then manually enter individual usernames and
passwords for each of my 100 or so students
2. place all my mc-cgi doo-dahs inside that password-protected folder

3. create a MySQL database using my web-hosting service's "SQL Database"
control panel
4. script some kind of mc-cgi doohickey that acts as an invisible
intermediary between that database and
   (a) (to keep track of who and when) the log-in window that pops up when a
student accesses that top-folder
   (b) (to keep track of what and how) the various language activities,
a.k.a, mc-cgi doo-dahs
Now, assuming that I'm not too far off-track with that "plan" -- and that
there aren't better alternative models -- what I don't understand is how to
do Step 3. Actually, as far as Step 3(b) goes, I guess that given enough
still-active brain cells and plenty of searches thru the List Archives I
might eventually churn out some kind of scripting solution all on my own;
however, I cannot fathom out at all how to go about scripting something for
Step 3(a), namely, getting mc to "talk" with whatever process underlies the
web-server calling up a log-in window for password-protected folders.
If you use standard password protection on the folder, it's the 
server that would handle the password stuff before it gets to your 
cgi, so keeping track might be tricky. An alternative way would be to 
put the cgi scripts in the normal cgi-bin location, and instead of 
password protecting the folder, use some custom headers in the http 
request that would let the cgi script do the authentication.

A simple example:

On the client side:
Say the client app contacts the server to request data for one of 
four available exercises. To get exercise 1, you could do something 
like this:

# assume tID contains the student's ID

put "kweto_doohick: exerciseplease,1" & tID into tHeaders
set the httpHeaders to theaders
put url "http://www.kweto.com/cgi-bin/thingie.mt"; into tExercise_1_Data
##do the usual check on the result
## etc, etc
Then in the "thingie.mt" script:

#!/somewhere/mc
on startup
  put $HTTP_kweto_doohick into tActionString
  if item 1 of tActionString = "exerciseplease" then
put item 3 of tActionString into tUserID
   ## do the big brother stuff on the user here if needed
put item 2 of tActionString into tExNumber
switch tExNumber
   case 1
 ##get the exercise 1 data
 ## send it back in the normal way
   case 2
   ### etc, etc
end switch
  else ## no proper header,
put "error" && "Not Welcome!" & cr into tErrString
put "Status: 410" && "go away" & cr
put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
put "Content-Length:" && length(tErrString) & cr
put cr
put tErrString
  end if
This will stop casual browsing of your cgi. If necessary, you could 
add more secure features to the custom headers. (session keys, MD5 
digests, and what have you)

Cheers
Dave
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Re: MC CGI system requirements

[andu]

--On Friday, June 06, 2003 12:18:45 -0700 Richard Gaskin 
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andu wrote:

Since apparently an ISP can have a functional BSD server running that's
still missing libs MC requires, what are the complete system
requirements for MC?
Telnet to where mc is on the server and do: ldd mc. It will list the
availabe and missing libraries.
Thank you, but sadly my ISP doesn't support Telnet at this time ("security
reasons").
Try ssh, they must support that.



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Re: MC CGI system requirements

[Richard Gaskin]

andu wrote:

>> Since apparently an ISP can have a functional BSD server running that's
>> still missing libs MC requires, what are the complete system requirements
>> for MC?
> 
> Telnet to where mc is on the server and do: ldd mc. It will list the
> availabe and missing libraries.

Thank you, but sadly my ISP doesn't support Telnet at this time ("security
reasons").

More to the point, wouldn't this information seem relevant for inclusion in
the system requirements shown at metacard.com?

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Re: MC CGI system requirements

[andu]

--On Friday, June 06, 2003 10:48:18 -0700 Richard Gaskin 
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During a system upgrade at my ISP my MC CGIs are no longer working.  While
I'm still diagnosing the issue with my ISP, at the moment it appears to be
related to a problem Ken had in which his ISP had not installed certain
libraries with their BSD installation.
Since apparently an ISP can have a functional BSD server running that's
still missing libs MC requires, what are the complete system requirements
for MC?
Telnet to where mc is on the server and do: ldd mc. It will list the 
availabe and missing libraries.

The system requirements at  provide few
details.
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Re: MC CGI - What can't I do?

[Richard Gaskin]

David Bovill wrote:

>> --On Monday, August 26, 2002 21:21:49 -0700 Richard Gaskin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> - paint tools do not generate an error:
>> choose brush tool
>> set the brushcolor to blue
>> drag from 60,60 to 80,80
>> select img 1 of stack "tmp/formdata.mc"
>> export png to file "myimg.png"
> 
> Have you tried accesing the image data directly using 2.4 features - my
> guess is that would work?

I thought about it, but at that point I'd be recreating a combination of
MC's graphics routines and OS graphics routines in MetaTalk.  Likely slow,
and certainly more than I'd want to chew off:  who wants to calculate curves
in imagedata?

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Re: MC CGI - What can't I do?

[David Bovill]

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 05:31, andu wrote:
> 
> 
> --On Monday, August 26, 2002 21:21:49 -0700 Richard Gaskin 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > - paint tools do not generate an error:
> > choose brush tool
> > set the brushcolor to blue
> > drag from 60,60 to 80,80
> > select img 1 of stack "tmp/formdata.mc"
> > export png to file "myimg.png"
> >

Have you tried accesing the image data directly using 2.4 features - my
guess is that would work?


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Re: MC CGI - What can't I do?

[andu]

--On Monday, August 26, 2002 21:21:49 -0700 Richard Gaskin 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> andu wrote:
>
>> --On Monday, August 26, 2002 15:04:35 -0700 Richard Gaskin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I've foound that MC as a CGI will let me create stack files on the
>>> serber and use their custom props for data storage.  Way cool.
>>>
>>> This has me thinking:  just whar can't I do faceless on a server?
>>>
>>> For example, I know I can't take screen shots, but can I paint and
>>> export JPEGs?
>>>
>>> What general restrictions apply when running MC as a CGI?
>>
>> I didn't figure them all out but I would assume anything having to do
>> with the visual or audio for that matter are off limits to mt scripts
>> since they most likely need libraries which are not available in this
>> state. Also any reference to stacks ("...this stack", cards, custom
>> properties etc.) are off limits.
>
> Not entirely true, which is what got me so excited.  Here's some of what I
> found:
>
> - stack files can be created:
> create stack "tmp"
> set the filename of stack "tmp" to "tmp/formdata.mc"
>
> - custom properties of stack files can be set:
> set the customproperties of stack "tmp/formdata.mc" to tInData
>
> - paint tools do not generate an error:
> choose brush tool
> set the brushcolor to blue
> drag from 60,60 to 80,80
> select img 1 of stack "tmp/formdata.mc"
> export png to file "myimg.png"
>
> - in the example above, the export command does not generate an error and
> an image file is created, but the image is a solid-colored rectangle
> instead of the painted image.
>
>
> So it looks like we're limited to text processing only, with the added
> benefit of using stack file properties for limited hierarchically-ordered
> data.  A fair replacement for Perl, but such a frustratingly small subset
> of what MC can do.
>
> I understand the reasoning behind these limitations (had to try anyway --
> after all, ignoring one of the early SC programmers is what led me to
> discover that I could store binary data in its fields), but I can't help
> but wonder if there's some way we could get graphics capabilities in MC
> CGIs in the future

Keep in mind that all those capabilities you mention are not of the cgi 
itself but of the stack it created.

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Re: MC CGI - What can't I do?

[Richard Gaskin]

andu wrote:

> --On Monday, August 26, 2002 15:04:35 -0700 Richard Gaskin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I've foound that MC as a CGI will let me create stack files on the serber
>> and use their custom props for data storage.  Way cool.
>> 
>> This has me thinking:  just whar can't I do faceless on a server?
>> 
>> For example, I know I can't take screen shots, but can I paint and export
>> JPEGs?
>> 
>> What general restrictions apply when running MC as a CGI?
> 
> I didn't figure them all out but I would assume anything having to do with
> the visual or audio for that matter are off limits to mt scripts since they
> most likely need libraries which are not available in this state.
> Also any reference to stacks ("...this stack", cards, custom properties
> etc.) are off limits.

Not entirely true, which is what got me so excited.  Here's some of what I
found:

- stack files can be created:
create stack "tmp"
set the filename of stack "tmp" to "tmp/formdata.mc"
  
- custom properties of stack files can be set:
set the customproperties of stack "tmp/formdata.mc" to tInData

- paint tools do not generate an error:
choose brush tool
set the brushcolor to blue
drag from 60,60 to 80,80
select img 1 of stack "tmp/formdata.mc"
export png to file "myimg.png"

- in the example above, the export command does not generate an error and an
image file is created, but the image is a solid-colored rectangle instead of
the painted image.


So it looks like we're limited to text processing only, with the added
benefit of using stack file properties for limited hierarchically-ordered
data.  A fair replacement for Perl, but such a frustratingly small subset of
what MC can do.

I understand the reasoning behind these limitations (had to try anyway --
after all, ignoring one of the early SC programmers is what led me to
discover that I could store binary data in its fields), but I can't help but
wonder if there's some way we could get graphics capabilities in MC CGIs in
the future

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Re: MC CGI - What can't I do?

[andu]

--On Monday, August 26, 2002 15:04:35 -0700 Richard Gaskin 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've foound that MC as a CGI will let me create stack files on the serber
> and use their custom props for data storage.  Way cool.
>
> This has me thinking:  just whar can't I do faceless on a server?
>
> For example, I know I can't take screen shots, but can I paint and export
> JPEGs?
>
> What general restrictions apply when running MC as a CGI?

I didn't figure them all out but I would assume anything having to do with 
the visual or audio for that matter are off limits to mt scripts since they 
most likely need libraries which are not available in this state.
Also any reference to stacks ("...this stack", cards, custom properties 
etc.) are off limits.

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Re: mc cgi darwin

[Pierre Sahores]

andu wrote:
> 
> Richard MacLemale wrote:
> >
> > I wrote, then Andu wrote,
> > >> on startup
> > >>put "Hello"
> > >>put shell("ls -l")
> > >> end startup
> > >>
> > >> When I run it from the command line (./test.mt), I get this:
> > >>
> > >> Hello
> > >>
> > >> I can run other metacard scripts and everything else works perfectly.
> > >>
> > >> Sooo What am I doing wrong?
> > >
> > > Nothing. It just doesn't work. It works on Linux though so it must be a
> > > Darwin thing.
> >
> > OK - Scott Raney said you could do shell commands in darwin mc, and someone
> > else verified that you could, but the above script doesn't work, s...
> > What would be an example of a script that WOULD work?
> 
> I can do shell() in a stack (GUI) but not in a cgi or a stack called by
> a cgi with "start using". Why, I don't know maybe Scott can tell us what
> we do wrong.
> 
> >
> > Please?
> >
> > :)
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Hi Andu,

Do you have set the right permissions (file and directory) as needed
before lauching the .mt cgi-script ?

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Re: mc cgi darwin

[andu]

Richard MacLemale wrote:
> 
> I wrote, then Andu wrote,
> >> on startup
> >>put "Hello"
> >>put shell("ls -l")
> >> end startup
> >>
> >> When I run it from the command line (./test.mt), I get this:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> I can run other metacard scripts and everything else works perfectly.
> >>
> >> Sooo What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Nothing. It just doesn't work. It works on Linux though so it must be a
> > Darwin thing.
> 
> OK - Scott Raney said you could do shell commands in darwin mc, and someone
> else verified that you could, but the above script doesn't work, s...
> What would be an example of a script that WOULD work?

I can do shell() in a stack (GUI) but not in a cgi or a stack called by
a cgi with "start using". Why, I don't know maybe Scott can tell us what
we do wrong.

> 
> Please?
> 
> :)
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Re: mc & cgi: externals

[andu]

David Bovill wrote:
> 
> Andu, is that a confirmation that mc/cgi script can't call externals? How
> about if you "use" a stack which calls the externals?

It's not, I never tried this but so seemed to recall Brian. Maybe Scott
Raney could tell us for sure. But like I said, you can "use" a stack. 

> 
> > From: andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: mc & cgi: externals
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> While on a CGI thread...
> >>
> >> I'm considering trying to move my server app to a script-only implementation.
> >> However, I have a couple of crucial externals which need to be a part of it.
> >> Porting these to the operating systems on which I need them is not a problem
> >> (albeit some work), but I seem to recall that there is no way to use
> >> externals with CGI scripts. I can imagine good reasons for this, but is there
> >> any work-around? For example, I'd like to run things as script-only on a
> >> Darwin system. I can compile mach-o tools, but can I run them from inside a
> >> MC script? Has anyone been down this road before who can point me in the
> >> right direction? What if my externals need to maintain static/global
> >> information? My ultimate goal is an apache/metacard combo with no GUI...
> >> anyone that can give me some input?
> >
> > Brian, your best bet for something like this is to have cgi scripts
> > communicate with a long-running stack which in turn uses the externals,
> > I think.
> >
> 
> You could call the code with a shell command?
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Re: mc & cgi: externals

[David Bovill]

Andu, is that a confirmation that mc/cgi script can't call externals? How
about if you "use" a stack which calls the externals?

> From: andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: mc & cgi: externals
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> While on a CGI thread...
>> 
>> I'm considering trying to move my server app to a script-only implementation.
>> However, I have a couple of crucial externals which need to be a part of it.
>> Porting these to the operating systems on which I need them is not a problem
>> (albeit some work), but I seem to recall that there is no way to use
>> externals with CGI scripts. I can imagine good reasons for this, but is there
>> any work-around? For example, I'd like to run things as script-only on a
>> Darwin system. I can compile mach-o tools, but can I run them from inside a
>> MC script? Has anyone been down this road before who can point me in the
>> right direction? What if my externals need to maintain static/global
>> information? My ultimate goal is an apache/metacard combo with no GUI...
>> anyone that can give me some input?
> 
> Brian, your best bet for something like this is to have cgi scripts
> communicate with a long-running stack which in turn uses the externals,
> I think.
> 

You could call the code with a shell command?

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RE: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

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Merci, Monsieur Sahores,

Couple more questions if you don't mind...

1) Do you know of any current web applications running using MC-cgi?
2) What is "long running process" - is it a compiled MC app which acts as a
server and is already loaded in memory on the server?
3) Can MC run on NT or 2000 as a cgi? If so, do you know where I can find
info on how to set it up? I would like to run it on my laptop for building
web apps, and then port to a Linux server.
4) What do you mean by "use PHP as one of the best MC apps compliant sockets
listener."

and some help if you like:

Chris and I have created a stack called "altSAFileUp Library" which enables
users to upload files via the  to a server. If you have an
MC client app and wish to upload a file to a server, you can use this
library to do so. It creates the correct headers for all the form data on a
page, including multiple files, and uploads them in binary mode to the
server. While I've only tested it with the SAFileUp control, it should work
with any other server file upload controls on Mac, PC and Linux. Use it if
you like.

-Chipp


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Chipp Walters a écrit :
>
> Andu,
>
> Quick question. Have you done any speed/load tests using MC-cgi vs PHP or
> ASP? Can one consider MC-cgi a robust, web-application development tool
like
> ASP and PHP? I know it doesn't do inline scripting like ASP and PHP, but I
> was wondering if I could use it on a Windows System for building small web
> apps.
>
> thx,
>
> Chipp Walters
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Hi Chipp,

MC is a perfect tool to build web applications and to link flat-files
and sql-based databases to the internet (My prefered tools : PostGreSQL
as the db, SQLBoss 1.1 as the db designing ide, PHP4 as the gateway
between the MC "POST" queries and the PostGreSQL replies). I'm using MC
(2.32 for yet) in this way since about the last tree years. I'm spending
some time to build an example stack but it's not out for yet. In between
the far "marketed dead" ColdFusion and the J2EE based web apps servers,
MC is, at least, a "must know how to do with it" web development tool.

About speed : using, last year, the same PII 300 laptop to run the same
end-user app under WinNT4 SP5 and Suse-Linux 6.x, i founded that the
ASP2 drived app was 4 times many slower on the NT platform than the PHP
3.0.16 same drived app on the Suse platform. The MC 2.32 issue of the
same app is always many faster than the PHP3 issue is, on both the WinNT
and the Suse platform. The difference will grow more and more with the
length of the scripts to run : with small scripts, no big diffrence in
speed between MC and PHP ; with long scripts, MC will be up to 100 times
faster than PHP3 and 75 time faster than PHP4.

You will find in the list archive ways to handle MC based web apps as
long running processes. Don't forget that you can, if needed, use PHP as
one of the best MC apps compliant sockets listener. Have fun.

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Re: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[Pierre Sahores]

Chipp Walters a écrit :
> 
> Andu,
> 
> Quick question. Have you done any speed/load tests using MC-cgi vs PHP or
> ASP? Can one consider MC-cgi a robust, web-application development tool like
> ASP and PHP? I know it doesn't do inline scripting like ASP and PHP, but I
> was wondering if I could use it on a Windows System for building small web
> apps.
> 
> thx,
> 
> Chipp Walters
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Hi Chipp,

MC is a perfect tool to build web applications and to link flat-files
and sql-based databases to the internet (My prefered tools : PostGreSQL
as the db, SQLBoss 1.1 as the db designing ide, PHP4 as the gateway
between the MC "POST" queries and the PostGreSQL replies). I'm using MC
(2.32 for yet) in this way since about the last tree years. I'm spending
some time to build an example stack but it's not out for yet. In between
the far "marketed dead" ColdFusion and the J2EE based web apps servers,
MC is, at least, a "must know how to do with it" web development tool.

About speed : using, last year, the same PII 300 laptop to run the same
end-user app under WinNT4 SP5 and Suse-Linux 6.x, i founded that the
ASP2 drived app was 4 times many slower on the NT platform than the PHP
3.0.16 same drived app on the Suse platform. The MC 2.32 issue of the
same app is always many faster than the PHP3 issue is, on both the WinNT
and the Suse platform. The difference will grow more and more with the
length of the scripts to run : with small scripts, no big diffrence in
speed between MC and PHP ; with long scripts, MC will be up to 100 times
faster than PHP3 and 75 time faster than PHP4.

You will find in the list archive ways to handle MC based web apps as
long running processes. Don't forget that you can, if needed, use PHP as
one of the best MC apps compliant sockets listener. Have fun.

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Re: mc & cgi: externals

[andu]

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> 
> While on a CGI thread...
> 
> I'm considering trying to move my server app to a script-only implementation.
> However, I have a couple of crucial externals which need to be a part of it.
> Porting these to the operating systems on which I need them is not a problem
> (albeit some work), but I seem to recall that there is no way to use
> externals with CGI scripts. I can imagine good reasons for this, but is there
> any work-around? For example, I'd like to run things as script-only on a
> Darwin system. I can compile mach-o tools, but can I run them from inside a
> MC script? Has anyone been down this road before who can point me in the
> right direction? What if my externals need to maintain static/global
> information? My ultimate goal is an apache/metacard combo with no GUI...
> anyone that can give me some input?

Brian, your best bet for something like this is to have cgi scripts
communicate with a long-running stack which in turn uses the externals,
I think.

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Re: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[andu]

Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
> Andu,
> 
> Quick question. Have you done any speed/load tests using MC-cgi vs PHP or
> ASP? Can one consider MC-cgi a robust, web-application development tool like
> ASP and PHP? I know it doesn't do inline scripting like ASP and PHP, but I
> was wondering if I could use it on a Windows System for building small web
> apps.

Sure you can and it's fast.

> 
> thx,
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RE: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[Chipp Walters]

Andu,

Quick question. Have you done any speed/load tests using MC-cgi vs PHP or
ASP? Can one consider MC-cgi a robust, web-application development tool like
ASP and PHP? I know it doesn't do inline scripting like ASP and PHP, but I
was wondering if I could use it on a Windows System for building small web
apps.

thx,

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Re: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[Nikorasu Kweto]

Andu wrote back:

> > on startup
> >   if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
> >put $REMOTE_ADDRESS into userAddress
>
> This should be $REMOTE_ADDR not $REMOTE_ADDRESS, my mistake and Apache's
> inconsistency

Thanks Andu.

The following also works and was inspired by the echo.mt script:

--
repeat for each item i in the globals
   if i = "$REMOTE_ADDR" or i = "$REMOTE_ADDRESS" then
 put value(i) into userAddress
   end if
  end repeat
-

As all can see, yes, the actual name is $REMOTE_ADDR and, yes, I'm on
Apache.

Hope this may be of use to someone else in future.

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Re: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[andu]

Nikorasu Kweto wrote:
> 
> Andu (thankfully!) wrote:
> 
> > That's right, you can keep track of the global $REMOTE_ADDRESS such as
> >
> > on startup
> > put $REMOTE_ADDRESS into userAddress
> 
> Sorry but this didn't work.
> 
> Here's the relevant portion of my script:
> 
> -
> #!mc
> global userAddress
> 
> on startup
>   if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
>put $REMOTE_ADDRESS into userAddress

This should be $REMOTE_ADDR not $REMOTE_ADDRESS, my mistake and Apache's
inconsistency.

>read from stdin until empty
>put it after buffer
>   end if
> 
>  put buffer & cr & userAddres into tData
>  put tData into url "file:results.txt"
> 
>   -- etc etc
> end startUp
> --
> 
> I tried re-positioning the $REMOTE_ADDRESS elsewhere in the script, but
> always only "buffer" gets writ onto the file (plus a cr).
> 
> Any idea where I've gone amiss?
> 
> Cheers.
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Re: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[Nikorasu Kweto]

Andu (thankfully!) wrote:

> That's right, you can keep track of the global $REMOTE_ADDRESS such as
>
> on startup
> put $REMOTE_ADDRESS into userAddress

Sorry but this didn't work.

Here's the relevant portion of my script:

-
#!mc
global userAddress

on startup
  if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
   put $REMOTE_ADDRESS into userAddress
   read from stdin until empty
   put it after buffer
  end if

 put buffer & cr & userAddres into tData
 put tData into url "file:results.txt"

  -- etc etc
end startUp
--

I tried re-positioning the $REMOTE_ADDRESS elsewhere in the script, but
always only "buffer" gets writ onto the file (plus a cr).

Any idea where I've gone amiss?

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Re: mc & cgi: limiting users to one visit

[andu]

Nikorasu Kweto wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've set up an online .mt-based survey. Now, I  want to restrict
> (mischievous!) people who may want to revisit the survey in order to vote
> again and again. How could I script things so that .mt checks whether a
> person/computer has already voted?
> 
> I'm guessing the solution has something to do with user url info sent in the
> http headers via a form during a "$REQUEST_METHOD = POST"...

That's right, you can keep track of the global $REMOTE_ADDRESS such as

on startup
put $REMOTE_ADDRESS into userAddress
...

> 
> In the meantime, back to the MC archives...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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Re: mc cgi configuration

[andu]

>> what I know you need to be able to install and run an
>> executable (as Andu says somewhere on the "path" - nt a spiritual reference
>> I believe -:). The server then needs to be set up to understand that the .mt
>> or whatever you call them scripts/or anything is such and such a folder is
>> to be executed (a permissions thing) by the MC engine.
>> 
>> In other words they may have to add about two words to some config file
>> somewhere on the server side - this naturally enough takes about 2 days work
>> and cost's an arm and a leg to those of us who don't know what we are doing.
>> It's a mechanic thing -:)
>
>OK well, thanks. . .we are getting a bit closer but I don't think the above
>constitutes a message to a sys op that he can say yea or nay on. . .any more
>specific comments?
>
>
>What exactly is installed? The Unix version of MC?

All you need to install is the engine specific for their platform in your /cgi-bin 
directory.
The actual script files can have *any suffix (if they want .cgi make it so) they will 
call MC
regardless (#!mc). My advice to you is to set up a Linux box (PC or LinuxPPC) and test
everything for yourself.

>
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>
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Re: MC cgi

[Pierre Sahores]

andu a écrit :
> 
> >
> >I would chip in for some Metacard based server hosting. I'd want to be able
> >to use my own DNS server, and I'd only need a few MB disk space?
> >
> >Anyone else???
> Every mc user who respects her/himself should have a metacard web presence.
> Just imagine,  "Powerd by MetaCard!".

Wy, Just imagine ? Even if the clients don't want the "Powered by Metacard" on
theyr servers, i'm still deploying mc applications servers on 3 different basis
: MacOS, Linux, WinNT4. You can see the last one at
 (WinNT4,IIS4,PHP4,Metacard 2.3.1), first, builted on Linux
and, second, deployed under WinNT4 because the client wants so...

I hope to be able to open free mc.cgi directories to the list (virtual hosting,
academic uses only), on a Linux/Apache server, in the next months...

Best Regards, Pierre

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Re: MC cgi

[andu]

>
>I would chip in for some Metacard based server hosting. I'd want to be able
>to use my own DNS server, and I'd only need a few MB disk space?
>
>Anyone else???
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Re: MC cgi

[David Bovill]

I would chip in for some Metacard based server hosting. I'd want to be able
to use my own DNS server, and I'd only need a few MB disk space?

Anyone else???

> From: Simon Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:27:11 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: MC cgi
> 
> We have a server that could do this, I'm sure Kevin and a few others could
> also do it.  I was going to get around to asking Andu, Scott and others what
> the requirements would actually be before offering this service.
> 
> We are in the process of upgrading to a 40gig disk and 512RAM server on our
> tiny 155 Mbit connection ;)  (Linux Server)
> 
> If there are enough interested parties then I'm sure our hosting company
> would welcome you, we have pricing up on our hosting page and everything is
> always in CANADIAN funds so our US and overseas clients end up paying less.
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> 
>> From: "Monte Goulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:20:56 +1030
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: MC cgi
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> All this talk about internet capabilities is making me thirsty for
>> knowledge. This question is probably more related to my lack of
>> understanding of web servers that any thing else.
>> 
>> Is it possible to use metacard as a server on a web hosted by a third party?
>> ie I assume I can't get my ISP to host my web and place mc in it to run cgi
>> and mt scripts.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Monte
>> 
>> 

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Re: MC cgi

[George Wade]

Monte,
I'm just sending an application to Digital Forest for Mac web hosting. $20 
a month for 100MB disc space ---

There is also the possibility of having a server purchased and cared for. The server 
is only $5,000; financing can be facilitated. The care and feeding of said server is 
probably reasonable but I didn't ask...   It will all cost less by the time I both 
really need and can afford it.

Your own server is where you could most likely get a friendly hosting service to 
install MC to be clown and wizard.

Now if there are other possibilities.?

George Wade,
Kochi,
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On November 24 2000, Monte Goulding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>Hi all
>
>All this talk about internet capabilities is making me thirsty ...
>
>Is it possible to use metacard as a server on a web hosted by a third party?  ie I 
>assume I can't get my ISP to host my web and place mc in it to run cgi and mt scripts.
>
>Regards
>
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Re: MC cgi

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There are a few exceptions...;P

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> From: "Monte Goulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:08:19 +1030
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> Subject: Re: MC cgi
> 
> Would it be impractical to use a Canadian host for an Australian company. I
> think the $ conversion wouldn't work out well fo me either. I'm really
> asking how this stage.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Monte
> - Original Message -
> From: "Simon Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: MC cgi
> 
> 
>> We have a server that could do this, I'm sure Kevin and a few others could
>> also do it.  I was going to get around to asking Andu, Scott and others
> what
>> the requirements would actually be before offering this service.
>> 
>> We are in the process of upgrading to a 40gig disk and 512RAM server on
> our
>> tiny 155 Mbit connection ;)  (Linux Server)
>> 
>> If there are enough interested parties then I'm sure our hosting company
>> would welcome you, we have pricing up on our hosting page and everything
> is
>> always in CANADIAN funds so our US and overseas clients end up paying
> less.
>> See the link below (use the test mode site and find pricing under
> *hosting*
>> link).
>> 
>> --
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>> Cheers,
>> Simon
>> 
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>> 
>> (new site in test mode) http://www.amigo-3.com/newamigo
>> 
>> --
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> found
>> it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov
>> 
>>> From: "Monte Goulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:20:56 +1030
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: MC cgi
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> All this talk about internet capabilities is making me thirsty for
>>> knowledge. This question is probably more related to my lack of
>>> understanding of web servers that any thing else.
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to use metacard as a server on a web hosted by a third
> party?
>>> ie I assume I can't get my ISP to host my web and place mc in it to run
> cgi
>>> and mt scripts.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Monte
>>> 
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Re: MC cgi

[Monte Goulding]

Would it be impractical to use a Canadian host for an Australian company. I
think the $ conversion wouldn't work out well fo me either. I'm really
asking how this stage.

Regards

Monte
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> We have a server that could do this, I'm sure Kevin and a few others could
> also do it.  I was going to get around to asking Andu, Scott and others
what
> the requirements would actually be before offering this service.
>
> We are in the process of upgrading to a 40gig disk and 512RAM server on
our
> tiny 155 Mbit connection ;)  (Linux Server)
>
> If there are enough interested parties then I'm sure our hosting company
> would welcome you, we have pricing up on our hosting page and everything
is
> always in CANADIAN funds so our US and overseas clients end up paying
less.
> See the link below (use the test mode site and find pricing under
*hosting*
> link).
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
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>
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>
> --
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> it!' but rather "Hmmm,that's funny" Isaac Asimov
>
> > From: "Monte Goulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:20:56 +1030
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: MC cgi
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > All this talk about internet capabilities is making me thirsty for
> > knowledge. This question is probably more related to my lack of
> > understanding of web servers that any thing else.
> >
> > Is it possible to use metacard as a server on a web hosted by a third
party?
> > ie I assume I can't get my ISP to host my web and place mc in it to run
cgi
> > and mt scripts.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Monte
> >
> >

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Re: MC cgi

[Kevin Miller]

On 23/11/00 12:50 pm, Monte Goulding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it possible to use metacard as a server on a web hosted by a third party?
> ie I assume I can't get my ISP to host my web and place mc in it to run cgi
> and mt scripts.

Yes, but only with some ISPs.  You need to ask them if you can run an
executable on their server: and the vast majority will say no.  It tends to
be possible when you have a dedicated server package, though those are more
expensive and require lots of maintenance (thats what we use).

Regards,

Kevin

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Re: MC cgi

[Simon Lord]

We have a server that could do this, I'm sure Kevin and a few others could
also do it.  I was going to get around to asking Andu, Scott and others what
the requirements would actually be before offering this service.

We are in the process of upgrading to a 40gig disk and 512RAM server on our
tiny 155 Mbit connection ;)  (Linux Server)

If there are enough interested parties then I'm sure our hosting company
would welcome you, we have pricing up on our hosting page and everything is
always in CANADIAN funds so our US and overseas clients end up paying less.
See the link below (use the test mode site and find pricing under *hosting*
link).

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Cheers,
Simon

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(new site in test mode) http://www.amigo-3.com/newamigo

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> From: "Monte Goulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:20:56 +1030
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MC cgi
> 
> Hi all
> 
> All this talk about internet capabilities is making me thirsty for
> knowledge. This question is probably more related to my lack of
> understanding of web servers that any thing else.
> 
> Is it possible to use metacard as a server on a web hosted by a third party?
> ie I assume I can't get my ISP to host my web and place mc in it to run cgi
> and mt scripts.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Monte
> 
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