[MOPO] The Posterfix/Andrea saga

2008-10-29 Thread Phil Edwards
Kirby - I can't see where you did anything wrong or any need make any kind 
of an apology.

Unless the full texts of these emails - from both sides - is posted (here 
and not extracts on NSF as I have seen), and transcripts of the phone 
calls, then there is now so much hearsay, that whatever or not this guy did 
or said, and whatever Andrea did or said has gone way beyond the pale of 
this dicussion group and ethics of any kind, I'm appalled and it takes 
something serious for that.

Scott, this whole thing needs deleting in my opinion, and needs to be sorted 
out bewteen the parties involved. If the abusive emails are what has been 
stated and without provocation, then surely it's time to call law 
enforcement in.

Gee, and I thought NSF could get spikey and vicious.
Phil




- Original Message - 
From: McDaniel Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Freedom Lover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Halegua Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Patrick Tupy Michael 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: CLOUTIER debacle


 Andrea, I called him ONCE this morning and told him there was a 
 discusssion about him
 on MOPO and that it wasn't very favorable to him, and that it was in his
 interest to know this.  This was the first time I have
 spoken to him in more than a few years.  He said he did not know what 
 MOPO was
 and so I told him that MOPO was a discussion group and that he was  being 
 discussed
 and not in a good light and that he might want to address this.

 I probably should have minded my own business.  I certainly did not 
 understand all this.  Sending abusive and threatening e-mail and name 
 calling is utterly reprehensible and I strongly condemn this
 behavior toward you or anyone.

 All good wishes,
 Kirby

 On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Freedom Lover wrote:

 Thank-you.  Well, I shared those emails with Claude, too.  That's  it. 
 There's more that arrived later.  Wow!  He called 3 more times  tonight. 
 And replied to different emails from days before, that had  been 
 previously answered.   I'm thinking of buying a pit bull!

 So let me see if I'm getting this right:

 This morning he emailed saying he was sending my poster back, undone 
 (again).  This is good.

 Later he starts harassing the he** out of me with his vulgarity and 
 incessant phone calls and leaves a message that he's keeping my  poster 
 (suddenly backed) and I assumed that included my money.  This  is an 
 about face.

 Kirby, is it from you calling him?

 I lost more than Richie, folks.  Hey, if I'm going to lose my  poster, I 
 may as well have some good come out of it.  I'm glad to be  of service to 
 you and I thank those of you who've stood up for me  and those who spoke 
 about their own experiences with Chris.

 Andrea

 On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:

 well that's equally onerous to the language that he used in the  letter 
 to Andrea that she shared with me as well as sue

 the one where he calls her a C

 I think he should start there. I mean, I don't think I've used that 
 word in front of a woman since I was a sophomore in hi-school and I 
 most certainly have never used it AT a woman in my entire life. 
 Behavior of that nature is much more telling than anything Chris  could 
 say here..

 but like I said.. I had my single experience with Posterfix in  2004, 
 and based on that single experience I determined they were  not worthy 
 of any further business . It was a $50 lesson for me and  $50 worth of 
 bad advertising for Posterfix

 Rich==


 At 05:42 PM 10/28/2008, Freedom Lover wrote:
 Well then, I'd like Chris to explain to MoPo how he decided he  gets to
 keep my poster AND my money because I told MoPo about all this.  He
 left me a voice message.  Actually, he called my house 30 times  today.

 Start there, Counselor.

 Andrea


 On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:21 PM, McDaniel Kirby wrote:

 Wait a minute.  Kangaroo Court in now in session.

 All rise!


 I have telephoned Chris Cloutier and alerted him to the brou-ha-ha
 on MOPO.  I suggested he get in touch
 with mopo to address the concerns.  He said he would.

 We don't have a dog in this hunt.  We use different restorers.
 Understand that this is not a comment
 on Chris or his work, it's just a fact.

 Kirby McDaniel




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[MOPO] regarding posterfix

2008-10-29 Thread Chris Cloutier
To all of you...My deepest apology - poster collectors and lovers everwhere on 
MoPo. and To Andrea for letting this get out of hand. I have joined this forum 
simply to defend myself onece. Unfortunately I believe this whole thing started 
because Posterfix was two weeks late in returning her poster from what I had 
promised. Frankly I have gotten way behind schedule because
i have a growing backlog of heavy restoration projects and a good team member 
accepted a teaching job and left the team, my best linen backer Jaewon Chang.
Andrea frequently contacted me for updates which I gave her, with apologees for 
being behind. I explained about my back problems and the challenge of having an 
8 month old baby boy at home. She was sympathetic. . Then on Friday 10/26 I was 
doing a poster show..and put my email on “auto-response” --
when i didnt respond to her email personally-- because i wasnt in the shop she 
flew off the handle and admitted that she was “menopausal” and therefore 
venting on me. I can show you her email. But I want this to end. . 
She then threatened to post negative stuff about me all over the internet for 
not responding. she said i was a lair.  So thats when i lost my cool. I never 
lied, and didnt deserve what my lawyer sees as harassment.
I lost my temper in the emails when she refused to speak to me upon myreturn 
from the shop.. I have all her emails too and the evidence will bear out that 
she was wrong.
I joined MoPo on Kirby's suggestion to defend myself but your system took a 
long time to figure out and get confirmation. I do not wish to
get on MoPo. But I would appreciate it if you deleted all matter concerning my 
name and business from the site. Then  return her poster happily with apologees.

Chris Cloutier

By the way, I suspect that she hates Catholic Liberals.
Thanks for your time.

Kind Regards, 

Chris Cloutier

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Re: [MOPO] The Posterfix/Andrea saga

2008-10-29 Thread Greg Pflugfelder
Dear Phil: I completely agree with you. I should probably keep my  
mouth shut here, but it seems nobody else is, so here goes. I find it  
pretty amazing that all this discussion (if that's the word) has been  
been going on under the premise -- I believe somebody actually assured  
the rest of us it was the case -- that Chris was always free to speak  
up and defend himself, and here the guy doesn't even know what MOPO  
is. I believe it's called the Obama strategy--where you buy up all the  
airtime so that only one view can be represented (don't get me wrong,  
I'm an Obama supporter). Frankly, I find that self-righteousness is  
the ugliest form of human behavior. No prettier is trying to drive  
someone's business into the ground by taking advantage of the closed  
nature of the community and the communications channels by which it  
sustains itself. It feels like I have been witnessing a lynching; or  
maybe it's just a bad Fifties sci-fi movie. I have a lot of respect  
for MOPO and all the people on it, but I don't think it's only Chris  
that this entire exchange casts a pretty dismal light on.


I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut from here on in. Wouldn't want to  
get in trouble with law enforcement!


Greg Pflugfelder

Quoting Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Kirby - I can't see where you did anything wrong or any need make any kind
of an apology.

Unless the full texts of these emails - from both sides - is posted (here
and not extracts on NSF as I have seen), and transcripts of the phone
calls, then there is now so much hearsay, that whatever or not this guy did
or said, and whatever Andrea did or said has gone way beyond the pale of
this dicussion group and ethics of any kind, I'm appalled and it takes
something serious for that.

Scott, this whole thing needs deleting in my opinion, and needs to be sorted
out bewteen the parties involved. If the abusive emails are what has been
stated and without provocation, then surely it's time to call law
enforcement in.

Gee, and I thought NSF could get spikey and vicious.
Phil




- Original Message -
From: McDaniel Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Freedom Lover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Halegua Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Patrick Tupy Michael
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Phil Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: CLOUTIER debacle



Andrea, I called him ONCE this morning and told him there was a
discusssion about him
on MOPO and that it wasn't very favorable to him, and that it was in his
interest to know this.  This was the first time I have
spoken to him in more than a few years.  He said he did not know what
MOPO was
and so I told him that MOPO was a discussion group and that he was  being
discussed
and not in a good light and that he might want to address this.

I probably should have minded my own business.  I certainly did not
understand all this.  Sending abusive and threatening e-mail and name
calling is utterly reprehensible and I strongly condemn this
behavior toward you or anyone.

All good wishes,
Kirby

On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Freedom Lover wrote:


Thank-you.  Well, I shared those emails with Claude, too.  That's  it.
There's more that arrived later.  Wow!  He called 3 more times  tonight.
And replied to different emails from days before, that had  been
previously answered.   I'm thinking of buying a pit bull!

So let me see if I'm getting this right:

This morning he emailed saying he was sending my poster back, undone
(again).  This is good.

Later he starts harassing the he** out of me with his vulgarity and
incessant phone calls and leaves a message that he's keeping my  poster
(suddenly backed) and I assumed that included my money.  This  is an
about face.

Kirby, is it from you calling him?

I lost more than Richie, folks.  Hey, if I'm going to lose my  poster, I
may as well have some good come out of it.  I'm glad to be  of service to
you and I thank those of you who've stood up for me  and those who spoke
about their own experiences with Chris.

Andrea

On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:


well that's equally onerous to the language that he used in the  letter
to Andrea that she shared with me as well as sue

the one where he calls her a C

I think he should start there. I mean, I don't think I've used that
word in front of a woman since I was a sophomore in hi-school and I
most certainly have never used it AT a woman in my entire life.
Behavior of that nature is much more telling than anything Chris  could
say here..

but like I said.. I had my single experience with Posterfix in  2004,
and based on that single experience I determined they were  not worthy
of any further business . It was a $50 lesson for me and  $50 worth of
bad advertising for Posterfix

Rich==


At 05:42 PM 10/28/2008, Freedom Lover wrote:

Well then, I'd like Chris to explain to MoPo how he decided he  gets to
keep my poster AND my money because I told MoPo about all this.  He
left 

[MOPO] Fwd: The Cat Creeps OS

2008-10-29 Thread Freedom Lover



Begin forwarded message:


From: Andrea Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 10, 2008 11:09:32 AM EDT
To: Chris Cloutier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Cat Creeps OS

Hi Chris,
I haven't received a reply to my email on the status of my poster  
and I'm hoping it's not because you're going out of business.  The  
economy has so many people nervous.  Please let me know you still  
intend to complete our deal and the estimated time you'll have it  
finished.  Also, if you're business is in trouble should we not  
bring you more?  We need to know ASAP, as Alan is planning his trip  
to the Swann Auction shortly and I won't have him schlep posters up  
there unless this one has already been returned.


Please respond in a timely fashion, as I will consider the lack of a  
response as a danger sign.  Please also note that do to our  
business, we are fairly recession proof and shall keep investing and  
restoring.


Thank-you in advance for working with us.

Andrea Kanter

P.S.  I fixed my printer!


Let us resolve and work toward achieving some very simple  
propositions: There are no acceptable limits and there are no  
acceptable prejudices in the twenty-first century.


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[MOPO] Fwd: The Cat Creeps - What's going on?

2008-10-29 Thread Freedom Lover

Forgot this one, sorry.  People, let me know if you need more.
Andrea

Begin forwarded message:


From: Andrea Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 23, 2008 4:59:43 PM EDT
To: Chris Cloutier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Cat Creeps - What's going on?

Hi Chris,
You told me you read your emails every day.  It's been 5 days since  
I wrote and nothing.  You also told me turnaround time was 3-5 wks.   
You've had it since Sept. 5 and today is Oct 23.  Then you told me  
you were backed up without your wife.  So why say 3-5 weeks if you  
know you can't pull it off?


You say you're backed up, yet you want my husband to send you more  
posters.  How does that make sense for us?  However, I see you had  
time to get my check cashed, but not ship the poster which you said  
was done and has been paid for.  So far, Chris, we are not  
impressed.  I hope your work is worth the unprofessionalism.


Andrea Kanter


Let us resolve and work toward achieving some very simple  
propositions: There are no acceptable limits and there are no  
acceptable prejudices in the twenty-first century.


- Sen Hillary Rodham Clinton



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acceptable prejudices in the twenty-first century.


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[MOPO] Apologies for doing that BUT

2008-10-29 Thread Freedom Lover
you guys had to know and there were some who thought Chris was getting  
hog tied.  If I get kicked off MoPo, then so be it.  At least you 'll  
know better and avoid his drama.  I apologize if I've offended anyone  
by doing this.  I really do.  I just can't sit here and watch this  
whole thing be swept under the carpet.


Scott, mea culpa.  I promise not to do it again (there are lots more),  
but I had to really get this through to EVERYONE, even the doubters.   
Please, please don't kick me off.  Please??


Also, this is my last post today.  I've already used up a whole week's  
worth...


Again, I felt it was necessary according to some of the private posts  
I received.  Now y'all can decide for yourselves and I can be done  
talking about it.  I feel I've sufficiently warned you all.  I'm done.


Andrea



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[MOPO] posters wanted

2008-10-29 Thread Posteritati

Hi,

We are looking for the following original U.S. 1 sheets:

NIAGARA
PRODE OF THE YANKEES (RR ok)
BOBBY JONES: STROKE OF GENIUS (2004)

Thanks!

sam

Posteritati
239 Centre Street
New York, NY  10013
212-226-2207/ Fax: 212-226-2102
http://www.posteritati.com/





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Re: [MOPO] Fwd: The Cat Creeps OS

2008-10-29 Thread lobby card invasion
I must say that If I would've received this kind of email, and was not in the 
process of going out of business, I would've been very upset from the tone, and 
the far flung jumping to negative conclusions.
Maybe not everything is completely and utterly one sided as it was first 
presented.




  - Original Message - 
  From: Freedom Lover 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:54 AM
  Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: The Cat Creeps OS






  Begin forwarded message:


From: Andrea Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 10, 2008 11:09:32 AM EDT
To: Chris Cloutier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Cat Creeps OS


Hi Chris,
I haven't received a reply to my email on the status of my poster and I'm 
hoping it's not because you're going out of business.  The economy has so many 
people nervous.  Please let me know you still intend to complete our deal and 
the estimated time you'll have it finished.  Also, if you're business is in 
trouble should we not bring you more?  We need to know ASAP, as Alan is 
planning his trip to the Swann Auction shortly and I won't have him schlep 
posters up there unless this one has already been returned.  


Please respond in a timely fashion, as I will consider the lack of a 
response as a danger sign.  Please also note that do to our business, we are 
fairly recession proof and shall keep investing and restoring.


Thank-you in advance for working with us.


Andrea Kanter


P.S.  I fixed my printer!




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There are no acceptable limits and there are no acceptable prejudices in the 
twenty-first century.


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Re: [MOPO] Fwd: The Cat Creeps OS

2008-10-29 Thread bqjansen
These things never are as I've tried to explain earlier and advised a  
bit more reason. Having said, threats and abuse, even if you feel  
cornered (rightly or wrongly) are just not on. I'm glad the howling of  
the wolfs has subsided a bit, although I wouldn't be surprised with if  
there are to be more turns of the plot.
Op 29 okt 2008, om 18:40 heeft lobby card invasion het volgende  
geschreven:


I must say that If I would've received this kind of email, and was  
not in the process of going out of business, I would've been very  
upset from the tone, and the far flung jumping to negative  
conclusions.
Maybe not everything is completely and utterly one sided as it was  
first presented.





- Original Message -
From: Freedom Lover
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: [MOPO] Fwd: The Cat Creeps OS



Begin forwarded message:


From: Andrea Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 10, 2008 11:09:32 AM EDT
To: Chris Cloutier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Cat Creeps OS

Hi Chris,
I haven't received a reply to my email on the status of my poster  
and I'm hoping it's not because you're going out of business.  The  
economy has so many people nervous.  Please let me know you still  
intend to complete our deal and the estimated time you'll have it  
finished.  Also, if you're business is in trouble should we not  
bring you more?  We need to know ASAP, as Alan is planning his trip  
to the Swann Auction shortly and I won't have him schlep posters up  
there unless this one has already been returned.


Please respond in a timely fashion, as I will consider the lack of  
a response as a danger sign.  Please also note that do to our  
business, we are fairly recession proof and shall keep investing  
and restoring.


Thank-you in advance for working with us.

Andrea Kanter

P.S.  I fixed my printer!


Let us resolve and work toward achieving some very simple  
propositions: There are no acceptable limits and there are no  
acceptable prejudices in the twenty-first century.


 - Sen Hillary Rodham Clinton



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[MOPO] Important Reminders

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Burns
I want to take a moment to remind everyone of the disclaimer at the bottom
of every MoPo post:

The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.

Please remember that whenever you send ANY message via the MoPo listserv. 

Also remember that posts are archived by the Mail Archive AND by many MoPo
members who keep posts in their own personal e-mail archive.  Please don't
ask me to delete posts after they have been sent out. It is very difficult
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[MOPO] ebay's detailed seller ratings

2008-10-29 Thread David Lieberman
 
 


Hello everyone!
 
 
We will be adding this to our listings on ebay. As some of  you probably 
know, most buyers do not realize how important these  ratings are to sellers. 
Even 
giving 4 out of 5 stars can really damage a  seller's rating!!!
 
 
 
 
Please Note: Ebay's  Detailed Seller Ratings (DSR's) 

Please do not leave 4  or less stars on Ebay's Detailed Seller Ratings  
(DSR's). 
It hurts sellers  tremendously. 
Please only leave 5 stars  or none at all. 
We strive to be a 5 STAR  SELLER on ebay. We are very committed to your  
satisfaction. 
If  for any reason you feel inclined to leave us less than 5 stars on all  
Detailed Seller Ratings, please contact us!
 
 
 
 
any thoughts?
 


David Lieberman 

_CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/)  |  15721 N. 
Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az  85260
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Re: [MOPO] ebay's detailed seller ratings

2008-10-29 Thread Todd Feiertag

David,
 
Sounds good except it might give Ebay a reason to pull your auctions, since 
they might say you are coercing buyers.  Please leave me 5 stars or none at all.
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
Todd



Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:02:06 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [MOPO] ebay's 
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Hello everyone!
 
 
We will be adding this to our listings on ebay. As some of you probably know, 
most buyers do not realize how important these ratings are to sellers. Even 
giving 4 out of 5 stars can really damage a seller's rating!!!
 
 
 

Please Note: Ebay's Detailed Seller Ratings (DSR's)
Please do not leave 4 or less stars on Ebay's Detailed Seller Ratings (DSR's).
It hurts sellers tremendously.
Please only leave 5 stars or none at all.
We strive to be a 5 STAR SELLER on ebay. We are very committed to your 
satisfaction.
If for any reason you feel inclined to leave us less than 5 stars on all 
Detailed Seller Ratings, please contact us!
 
 
 
 
any thoughts?
 
David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 
-- Scottsdale, Az 85260Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | 
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Re: [MOPO] ebay's detailed seller ratings

2008-10-29 Thread Phil Edwards
I agree with Todd, Dave.
Their thinking is clouded at best of times.
Phil
  - Original Message - 
  From: Todd Feiertag 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] ebay's detailed seller ratings


  David,
   
  Sounds good except it might give Ebay a reason to pull your auctions, since 
they might say you are coercing buyers.  Please leave me 5 stars or none at all.
   
  Just my 2 cents.
   
  Todd



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  Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:02:06 -0400
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  Subject: [MOPO] ebay's detailed seller ratings
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU





Hello everyone!


We will be adding this to our listings on ebay. As some of you probably 
know, most buyers do not realize how important these ratings are to sellers. 
Even giving 4 out of 5 stars can really damage a seller's rating!!!



Please Note: Ebay's Detailed Seller Ratings (DSR's)


Please do not leave 4 or less stars on Ebay's Detailed Seller Ratings 
(DSR's).

It hurts sellers tremendously.

Please only leave 5 stars or none at all.

We strive to be a 5 STAR SELLER on ebay. We are very committed to your 
satisfaction.

If for any reason you feel inclined to leave us less than 5 stars on 
all Detailed Seller Ratings, please contact us!





any thoughts?



David Lieberman 
CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- 
Scottsdale, Az 85260
Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By 
Appt. Only. 






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