Re: [newbie-it] Firme digitali
il Friday 03 October 2003 21:20, miKe ha scritto riguardo a Re: [newbie-it] Firme digitali Alle 11:53, venerdì 3 ottobre 2003, Germano ha scritto a [EMAIL PROTECTED] in merito a [newbie-it] Firme digitali : Succede anche ad altri che alcuni messaggi (in questa lista) siano firmati ma non si trovino le chiavi su nessun keyserver? si evidentemente non hanno inviato le chiavi Visto che sei avvezzo alla firma digitale: ha senso mandare mess firmati in lista se non si distribuiscono le chiavi?
[newbie-it] partizione swap
Domanda: con 256 Mb di Ram da quanto la devo fare la partizione di swap, generalmente si consiglia il doppio mi regolo uguale? grazie Alfredo
Re: [newbie-it] dvd ed amore della polemica
magari star trek non è criptato. ma se è criptato mi sembra dura. sei sicuro di non avere installato le librerie di decriptazione? dicono che non le includono nella distribuzione ufficiale per timore di problemi legali (lo status legale delle librerie css sarebbe incerto), per questo bisogna cercarsele su plf. Fabio wrote: insomma per poter vedere un dvd con linux ho impiegato complessivamente 10 minuti in totale ... e senza spendere una lira.. ops ... un ¤ ... vedi tu :) salve Francesco Anche meno. Installata la mdk 9.1 con i 3 CD scaricabili da internet, piccola modifica per eliminare il supermount (1' e 30'' compreso il riavvio) e Star Trek - L'insurrezione in DVD è meraviglioso. bye
Re: [newbie-it] x Paolo Brusasco e non solo
versione 0.90-9plf. si, riavvia sempre dall'inizio quando cambi lingua adesso riprovo ogle. ciao. Corrado wrote: Il gio, 2003-10-02 alle 11:23, gigi pinna ha scritto: n Wednesday 01 October 2003 21:14, you wrote: p.s. il maledetto mplayer mi fa sentire il signore degli anelli solo in inglese. se guardo la lingua selezionata del dvd mi dice italiano. se cerco di selezionare un'altra lingua o riseleziono italiano si inchioda il sistema e devo resettare. non posso neanche aprire un'altra console perche' non mi fa il login. ripeto, sopratutto coi dvd, buona fortuna. Che versione? Mi sembra il comportamento del nuovo Mplayer, ancora instabile... con la 0.91 che ho io (ma anche con le precedenti), la cosa peggiore che capiti è il riavvio del film se cambio lingua in corso... E con ogle? Hai provato? Io su mplyer e su xine non sono mai riuscito a guardare i dvd. Provalo e vedi se riesci a risolvere i tuoi problemi! Ogle è stato per me il più semplice da insatallare :) La 8.5 di PLF funziona snza troppi problemi, poi ho scaricato (andato sul sito di Ogle) rpm generici della 9.1 e alla fine sono riuscito senza eccessive difficoltà a farlo funzionare; non ricordo bene, ma forse ho dovuto cercare un pacchetto su rpmfind... Xine, nella versione sui cd di Mancrake 9.1, era instabile riguardo i menù interattivi e la qualità dell'immagine mi sembrava leggermente inferiore rispetto a Ogle; però i problemi si sono risolti con le release successive e ora è il mio player predefinito per i dvd (uso Mplayer per il resto :) Devo dire di essere sorpreso delle difficoltà riscontrate da altri utenti, io ho fatto quasi tutto solo con urpmi... -- Corrado
Re: [newbie-it] x Paolo Brusasco e non solo
ogle sembra avere problemi con l'audio. segue output di ogle, lanciato da console, quando chiedo 'open disc' Debug[ogle_audio]: decode_a52: found sync Note[ogle_audio]: Using audio driver 'alsa' Debug[ogle_vout]: resize: 1024, 576 #[ogle_alsa]: Opening device: default [ogle_alsa]: error while opening alsa. : No such file or directory FATAL[ogle_audio]: failed opening the alsa audio driver at default Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 1919 exited with 1 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: pid: 1919 exited with status: 1 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 1913 killed Debug[ogle_ctrl]: pid: 1913 terminated on signal: 2 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 1912 killed Debug[ogle_ctrl]: pid: 1912 terminated on signal: 2 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 1914 killed Debug[ogle_ctrl]: pid: 1914 terminated on signal: 2 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 1915 exited with 0 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: pid: 1915 exited with status: 0 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: child: 1918 exited with 0 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: pid: 1918 exited with status: 0 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 360448 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 1212419 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 1245188 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 1277957 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 1310726 ctrl: ipc_rmid: Invalid argument Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 1343495 Debug[ogle_ctrl]: removing shmid: 1376264 Note[ogle_ctrl]: exiting [EMAIL PROTECTED] paolo]$ Debug[ogle_audio]: decode_a52: found sync bash: Debug[ogle_audio]:: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] paolo]$ Corrado wrote: .
Re:[newbie-it] partizione swap
Domanda: con 256 Mb di Ram da quanto la devo fare la partizione di swap, generalmente si consiglia il doppio mi regolo uguale? in genere si fa il doppio quando si ha poca memoria ram, tipo 32 o 64. quindi fai come vuoi, anche io ho 256 di ram e ho fatto la partizione di swap da 500 Mb Gianluca
[newbie-it] flash pen samsung
Salve, ho acquistato una flash memory usb 2.0 samsung ma non riesco a montarla! Premetto che usavo benissimo un'altra flash montandola con mount n/dev/sda1 Chi mi aiuta? uso mdk 9.0 (kernel 2.4.19) pigi
Fwd: Re:[newbie-it] flash pen samsung
una domanda di queste è del tipo: la mia macchina non parte...che può essere? cerca di essere più chiaro. che errori mostra quando esegui mount? hai ragione, scusa con mount /dev/sda1 mi dice che devo specificare il filesistem ho provato con mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable e mi dice tipo fs errato, opzione non valida, superblocco su /dev/sda1 danneggiato, o troppi file system montati Quello che non capisco è perche' con l'altro dispositivo da 128MB mi riconosceva tutto senza problemi... ci capisci? ---
Re: Fwd: Re:[newbie-it] flash pen samsung
Il sab, 2003-10-04 alle 22:11, pigi ha scritto: Quello che non capisco è perche' con l'altro dispositivo da 128MB mi riconosceva tutto senza problemi... ci capisci? Ma l'altra era usb 2.0 o 1.1? Dovrebbe funzionare lo stesso, ma non si sa mai... -- Corrado
Re: [newbie-it] x Paolo Brusasco e non solo
Il sab, 2003-10-04 alle 13:55, paolo brusasco ha scritto: versione 0.90-9plf. si, riavvia sempre dall'inizio quando cambi lingua adesso riprovo ogle. ciao. Ah, intendevi che il film riparte daccapo... avevo capito che si riavviasse il programma! Allora si, lo fa anche da me :) Una delle ragioni per cui preferisco Xine (oltre che per il menù interattivo e gli algoritmi di antialiasing). -- Corrado
Re: [newbie-it] x Paolo Brusasco e non solo
Il sab, 2003-10-04 alle 14:02, paolo brusasco ha scritto: ogle sembra avere problemi con l'audio. segue output di ogle, lanciato da console, quando chiedo 'open disc' Solito problema con Alsa, un bug di Mdk 9.1... Se usi OSS è tutto okay. Se hai installato esplicitamente il pacchetto Ogle per Alsa, rimuovilo. Era capitato anche a me, usando gli rpm generici di cui parlavo in altra mail. -- Corrado
Re: Re:[newbie-it] partizione swap
Il sab, 2003-10-04 alle 18:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: in genere si fa il doppio quando si ha poca memoria ram, tipo 32 o 64. quindi fai come vuoi, anche io ho 256 di ram e ho fatto la partizione di swap da 500 Mb Bè, però con le quantità di ram attuali diventa sempre meno necessario avere tutto quello spazio di swap; io con 256 mega di ram ne ho selezionati 128 e il sistema non ne usa neppure neppure una frazione, di solito. -- Corrado
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:53:37 -0400 Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: At long last. I gave that one away for free. I thought Stephen would take it, but I guess you beat him to it... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If a guru falls in the forest with no one to hear him, was he really a guru at all? -- Strange de Jim, The Metasexuals Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:40:08 -0400 yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: love for communists ideas? I agree that this kind of discussion is better left for the OT list, but since I will never set foot in that cesspool again, let me just say this: being a critic of Bush does *not* make me a communist. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Goodbye, cool world. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:56:43 -0500 Kelly McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Please tell me your kidding. OK, I'll assume your not. You seem to be one of the few for whom this mysteriously works. What you have is what I started with before my first post about this. LOL! And I don't even care to use it, how's that for irony?! Howsabout we just trade comps? Here's what I found: without the xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 command, my thumb buttons scroll up and down and wheel does nothing. OK, makes sense. With this line in xinitrc it never seems to be executed, sounds like it is being overridden by something, possibly what you describe below. I would try commenting that out in xinit.d and instead having it run when *your user* starts X, rather than when the system starts X, maybe that's the difference? Shouldn't be, I know, but hey, this is X we're talking about...can be a whacko kinda thing at the best of times. BTW, do you start from runlevel 3, ie. textmode? I would highly recommend it, makes jumping in and out of X a breeze. Also, if you set vga=794 in your /etc/lilo.conf, you get a nice high res text mode with lotsa room on a big monitor, if ya got one. There are other modes, of course, set it depending on your screensize: # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k # vga=791 # Normal VGA console # vga = normal # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k # vga=791 # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k # vga=790 # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 # vga=773 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k # vga=788 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x32k # vga=787 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256 # vga=771 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k # vga=785 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x32k # vga=784 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256 # vga=769 notice mine is not listed there, I discovered 794 just by playing with it. (I have a 19 monitor, and 794 sets it to 1280x1024 I believe. but I have it in a file under /etc/X11/xinit.d where it works fine. So, with this command enabled, xev recognizes the thumb buttons as 6 and 7. With imwheel running xev sees these buttons as left and right. Without imwheel, mozilla and konq respond to the thumb buttons as if I were pressing the left and right arrow keys. The same applies when imwheel is running. The only difference I see, is that without imwheel, holding alt while pressing arrow keys does nothing, but with imwheel, this results in sliding the entire page left and right. However, at no point has anything I've tried resulted in a back button press. That is truly odd. As I say, the only difference I can see is that i am running xmodmap as a user, rather than as system. A couple of questions, are you using this mouse in ps2 port or USB? It's a USB mouse, but I have it connected to PS/2 via an adapter. Also, I am running a vanilla 9.1 install with the exception of switching to ATI's video driver. Have you upgraded anything related to XFree, that might be affecting this? Only other thing I can think of is that maybe the window manager makes a difference, I guess I'll look into that next. Well, I *did* upgrade to the latest XFree when advised to, I'm a religious updater for all security and bug advisories, so I'm running: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/downloads/sylpheed-0.9.5-gtk2-20030906]$rpm -qa | grep XFree XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.3-8.2mdk XFree86-libs-4.3-8.2mdk XFree86-server-4.3-8.2mdk XFree86-xfs-4.3-8.2mdk XFree86-4.3-8.2mdk XFree86-devel-4.3-8.2mdk XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.3-8.2mdk but that shouldn't make any diff, nor should my WM. The important parts, so far as I can see, are: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2 Option Device /dev/psaux Option ZAxisMapping 6 7 Option Buttons 7 EndSection and the xmodmap -e added to your .xinitrc. In Mozilla and Galeon, what I find is that the side buttons indeed work as left and right arrow, without mod (alt), ie. scrolling left and right. With mod (alt), they act as forward and back in history. But since I load all links in a new window, and have them autogrouped into one frame, I can move between pages with the mousewheel, for me preferable to anything else. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. -- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:55:08 -0500 Kelly McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well, that's an improvement. Holding alt and scrolling the mouse actually does the same thing. Hy, I didn't notice that! Now *that* is cool! Screw the side buttons, I'll be happy if they are now recognized in games or something... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ There are no accidents whatsoever in the universe. -- Baba Ram Dass Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Friday 03 Oct 2003 9:15 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:24:32 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snark! I doubt if they will affect the list archives - although mine were diverted by mozilla filter into my newbie list folder, I think that was because they had [newbie] as part of the subject line - the messages were addressed to my email address, not to the list. Margot sylpheed has an option in its filters DO NOT RECEIVE from server essentially...won't even d/l the thing. One possible problem there is if you use a spam filtering proxy. Since sylpheed would be pulling from the proxy, the spam would remain there, and would build up. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Friday 03 October 2003 01:33 pm, mwafkowski wrote: There is no Kentucky Fried Chicken, remember, as in Kentucy - associated with rednecks?/fried chicken-as in fried=heart attacks. It's KFC to you , Suh! MRW Well, I do live in Kentucky... I did stain (cedar siding) part of my house yesterday, so the back of my neck could be a bit red...from the Sun... and I like fried chicken, so I guess I'll take my chances :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Friday 03 October 2003 05:31 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: hehe... hm... think they'd let me off if I put the little Copyright symbol in there? Debatable... Running from Col.Sanders Femme Hehehehe, you better - I hear one of his fav slogans is the birds the word lol -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upper Case
I have 1500 fonts from my computer lifetime that I would like to add to my oo options, but many of the filenames are upper case. Anyone know how to rename them in lower case all at once? Lee -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upper Case
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:48:40 -0400 Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I have 1500 fonts from my computer lifetime that I would like to add to my oo options, but many of the filenames are upper case. Anyone know how to rename them in lower case all at once? google.com/linux is your friend: http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=perl+scripts+%2B+upper+to+lowercasebtnG=Google+Searchmeta= this one stands out: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/utils/file/lowercase-1.0.tar.gz -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ He is truly wise who gains wisdom from another's mishap. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upper Case
On Saturday 04 October 2003 05:48 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: I have 1500 fonts from my computer lifetime that I would like to add to my oo options, but many of the filenames are upper case. Anyone know how to rename them in lower case all at once? Lee Hi Lee - there are a couple of ways to do this, including a script (I think) that has been mentioned on the list before. Here is how I learned to do it: Put all your fonts in a directory, then open a shell and cd to that directory. Then: for i in *[A-Z]* Now you are at a prompt. Type do mv $i `echo $i |tr A-Z a-z` (note those are ` not ' , located below your tilde key) and finally: done and that should do it. HTHs! :-) PS yeah, the script/program is probably a whole lot easier. :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upper Case
What a guy! On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:00:57 -0400 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 05:48:40 -0400 Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I have 1500 fonts from my computer lifetime that I would like to add to my oo options, but many of the filenames are upper case. Anyone know how to rename them in lower case all at once? google.com/linux is your friend: http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=perl+scripts+%2B+upper+to+lowercasebtnG=Google+Searchmeta= this one stands out: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/utils/file/lowercase-1.0.tar.gz -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ He is truly wise who gains wisdom from another's mishap. -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upper Case
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:12:21 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: (note those are ` not ' , located below your tilde key) I love those things! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Your picture of the world often changes just before you get it into focus. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upper Case
But not as adventuresome. It's a boring morning. I'm going to copy the directory and try both. Doesn't look like I can break anything. (I've said that before.) Thanks Lee On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:12:21 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 05:48 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: I have 1500 fonts from my computer lifetime that I would like to add to my oo options, but many of the filenames are upper case. Anyone know how to rename them in lower case all at once? Lee Hi Lee - there are a couple of ways to do this, including a script (I think) that has been mentioned on the list before. Here is how I learned to do it: Put all your fonts in a directory, then open a shell and cd to that directory. Then: for i in *[A-Z]* Now you are at a prompt. Type do mv $i `echo $i |tr A-Z a-z` (note those are ` not ' , located below your tilde key) and finally: done and that should do it. HTHs! :-) PS yeah, the script/program is probably a whole lot easier. :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kernel config
I found the .config files in the installation rpms Paul On Friday 03 October 2003 07:02 am, Paul Kaplan wrote: Thanks, Which file contains the config options for the 9.1 linux configuration and which contains the options for the linux-enterpriese configuration? P On Friday 03 October 2003 06:29 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 19:59, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Maybe /usr/src/linux-2.4.21-0.13mdk/.config ? raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What file(s) contain the settings which the various LM 9.1 kernels were compiled against? I am interested in comparing the default and linux-enterprise kernels so as to build a custom kernel. TIA Paul That's it alright - but make BACKUPS's of it before getting nutty...you certainly don't want to hose up your installation - as well - it's nice to have backups of your current kernel and initrd images - and anything else (like make a backup of the entire /boot directory and create at least one floppy with the image as well) JUST to be on the careful side... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- insecurity, n.: Finding out that you've mispronounced for years one of your favorite words. Realizing halfway through a joke that you're telling it to the person who told it to you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:09, HaywireMac wrote: So we will be seeing more Linux viruses as the OS becomes more common and popular. What truly boggles my mind is that so many people do not have an idea of the basis of the operating system from the onset. First and foremost, linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix are completely different animals from the MS-DOS/Windows/NT set of operating systems. PC based OS's. That stands for Personal Computer. PC. Single operator. Single. One. All of what M$ has done has been fake multitasking from the beginning. When we had to use Desqview under MSDOS - it was a matter of time slicing to give the appearance of multitasking - but was never really true multitasking. At least IBM had the right idea with the OS/2 model, but of course, marketing won out. Windows - no matter what version - no matter what flavour - does not truly multi-task - it cannot by inherent design. I CAN give you the IMPRESSION it's multitasking - but that's yet another reason why it requires so much hardware/RAM - to continue giving the appearance. Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. Both born of different ideas and different worlds. Both have built in problems. At least in the linux/unix/posix/minix/xenix world they've had a lot longer to work out the bugs and holes - and the current bugs and holes BY NATURE cannot really allow for the same type of attacks that happen on a regular basis to Microsoft operating systems. Put bluntly, Microsoft is a wooden house. *NIX is a concrete bunker. Sure, they can both catch fire, but if you smoke inside the Microsoft house, you're bound to catch it alight. However, if you strew about large amounts of highly flammable liquid inside the concrete bunker and then set it alight from inside it's already locked and sealed doors, you'll cause it to burn with such high temperatures and the likes... ...erm...maybe that wasn't a great analogy, but y'all get the idea... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Human cardiac catheterization was introduced by Werner Forssman in 1929. Ignoring his department chief, and tying his assistant to an operating table to prevent her interference, he placed a ureteral catheter into a vein in his arm, advanced it to the right atrium [of his heart], and walked upstairs to the x-ray department where he took the confirmatory x-ray film. In 1956, Dr. Forssman was awarded the Nobel Prize. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:41:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. I thought SCO invented that... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Life is the living you do, Death is the living you don't do. -- Joseph Pintauro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:20:27 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: stereotypical unwashed geeks Hey, I just took a shower the other day... Thank you for sharing that with us. Have you informed the European Parliament? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:41:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. I thought SCO invented that... ;-) I thought multi-tasking was invented by some cavewoman who had to hold a baby, cook mammoth steaks and pretend to liten to her husband's hunting stories at the same time ;-) Sir Robin -- I can say: 'Thank these bees for their honey as though they were kind people who have prepared it for you'; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct yourself. But I cannot say: 'Thank them because, look, how kind they are!'--since the next moment they may sting you. - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
robin wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:41:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Linux/unix/minix/posix/xenix - the idea behind was to create multiple tasks running concurrently from the beginning. I thought SCO invented that... ;-) I thought multi-tasking was invented by some cavewoman who had to hold a baby, cook mammoth steaks and pretend to liten to her husband's hunting stories at the same time ;-) Sir Robin This is why women like using linux - we recognise it as a kindred spirit! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Anne and others, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]: snip /quote Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted by their constituentsgo figure. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= . Mandrake visibility? See headers . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Encryption is an envelope - the contents are private. iD8DBQE/ftnGwC/zk+cxEdMRAqPSAKDZ4bzsUHisb8OBssHdlAVedxg/wQCg0RIW B8fPSrsbmwdP2+5BL9rUKZ0= =dhYR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: Hello Anne and others, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]: snip /quote Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted by their constituentsgo figure. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Thought MS was scary enough? Nope.
Microsoft moves to integrate Windows with BIOS Matthew Broersma ZDNet UK October 03, 2003, 17:25 BST A deal with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies would allow the operating system to directly control hardware. It also raises concerns over who controls the software in PCs Microsoft has expanded its relationship with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies in a deal designed to more closely integrate the basic building blocks of the PC with the Windows operating system. Link: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39116902,00.htm Looks like our next target is this Phoenix Technologies. Lock and load, people. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If we do not change our direction we are likely to end up where we are headed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:43:43 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: Hello Anne and others, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]: snip /quote Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted by their constituentsgo figure. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? I recently emailed all of my State legislators and immediately got 90% automated replies and have been trashing spam from most of them since. Oh yeah, I got 1 real reply two weeks later. Lee -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 02:39, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 05:31 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: hehe... hm... think they'd let me off if I put the little Copyright symbol in there? Debatable... Running from Col.Sanders Femme Hehehehe, you better - I hear one of his fav slogans is the birds the word lol As the Taxidermist said(while. taking his girlfriend to dinner) you gotta stuff the bird before you mount it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 4:45 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:43:43 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: Hello Anne and others, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]: snip /quote Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted by their constituentsgo figure. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? I recently emailed all of my State legislators and immediately got 90% automated replies and have been trashing spam from most of them since. Oh yeah, I got 1 real reply two weeks later. Lee It doesn't matter too much whether they respond or not. If they wake up from their snores and think 'Isn't this what that pesky woman was on about' I might still have achieved something. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:54:26 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 4:45 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:43:43 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 Oct 2003 3:31 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: Hello Anne and others, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:45:25 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]: snip /quote Holland has 30 europarliamentarians, but unfortunately only 19 show e-mail addresses on their introductory pages as listed by the EU. I wrote all of these, with a short introduction in Dutch and - I hope you can forgive me for this - quoted verbatim your letter in English (duly attributed to you). Apparently the other 11 MEP`s are not interested in being contacted by their constituentsgo figure. Best regards, =Dick Gevers= At least it's 19 more people who may be slightly more aware! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? I recently emailed all of my State legislators and immediately got 90% automated replies and have been trashing spam from most of them since. Oh yeah, I got 1 real reply two weeks later. Lee It doesn't matter too much whether they respond or not. If they wake up from their snores and think 'Isn't this what that pesky woman was on about' I might still have achieved something. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? True.You may start a landslide. -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 07:30, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:20:27 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: stereotypical unwashed geeks Hey, I just took a shower the other day... that was March 12. 1998 -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:33, John Richard Smith wrote: snipped all sorts of content, but you won't miss it I'm concerned that at some stage we will encounter technobabble answers we don't know how to question and counter. It's not the MEP's one has to be concerned about, they know nothing , and are even more ignorant of these things than the average list member. It's after the MEP's start challenging the highly paid technical experts . These fellows will be paid by the industries and vested interest groups who seek this legislation . They are well paid full time patent/software types who know how to argue their case for themselves to an extent that will pull wool over legislators eyes, and I'm just aware that as they present their case they will have to be countered with just as strong counter arguements . It does not matter, once the MEPs catch on that this is something a simple person who is paying attention, but may not spell like an master of Modern English Literature, or format documents like an attorney (kinda like the average person driving) they will either begin to show interest, or (more likely, imo) try to figure out how they can make money on this too, and if they are only interested in how _they_ profit, there might not be any point. other than to learn who those pols are and not vote for them again. Still at least the politicions in Europe will know that there are concerned people out there, voters, who need to be persuaded of change, so at least that much helps, but at the end of the day you need good technical based counter arguements to persuade the legislators to rewrite their law. or good legal based, or profit based. if they need tech answers, be honest, and say that is not _my_ area of expertise, but I can get someone who is a true expert in that area who will answer your questions, as well as can be. How could your MEP begin to know if he was being bullshitted anyway, he does not know the 'right' answers if it is that technical anyway? Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand in the works ? I suggest you offer that 'just because the Americans do it' is a poor reason for anything, and leave that at that. Also, The whole point about patenting code is that it prevents anyone else from creating their own version, whereas if I have understood this correctly, while someone may own copywrite of their piece of computer code , there is nothing to stop anyone else from writing their own independently produced version of that code. So by way of example , Robert Louis Stevenson may of written Treasure Island but there is nothing to prevent another Author from writing another Book called Treasure Island with a similar story , provided it is writen as a fresh novel and in his own words, and not just a carbon copy of Stevenson version. not quite. there is nothing to prevent someone else writing a book about buried treasure, islands, and a peg leg ship capt. so there should not be a patent on writing a bit of code to send out a fax from a PS document just not everyone can call it 'hylafax'. but it would be wrong to not allow any one else to have the right to use the idea of a blinking text in a web page, while it is fine to prevent the blinking text from being the text of 'RLS's Treasure Island' (Treasure island may not be the best example as I believe it is in the public domain, therefor not copyright protected any longer). Can't hurt. If anyone in the EU has a lug in their area, amybe copying a few links from this thread and forwarding them around might be a nice idea too. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 09:55, ed tharp wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:33, John Richard Smith wrote: snipped all sorts of content, but you won't miss it I'm concerned that at some stage we will encounter technobabble answers we don't know how to question and counter. It's not the MEP's one has to be concerned about, they know nothing , and are even more ignorant of these things than the average list member. It's after the MEP's start challenging the highly paid technical experts . These fellows will be paid by the industries and vested interest groups who seek this legislation . They are well paid full time patent/software types who know how to argue their case for themselves to an extent that will pull wool over legislators eyes, and I'm just aware that as they present their case they will have to be countered with just as strong counter arguements . It does not matter, once the MEPs catch on that this is something a simple person who is paying attention, but may not spell like an master of Modern English Literature, or format documents like an attorney (kinda like the average person driving) they will either begin to show interest, or (more likely, imo) try to figure out how they can make money on this too, and if they are only interested in how _they_ profit, there might not be any point. other than to learn who those pols are and not vote for them again. ***Thats how we got the digital millennium copy right act in this country*** Still at least the politicions in Europe will know that there are concerned people out there, voters, who need to be persuaded of change, so at least that much helps, but at the end of the day you need good technical based counter arguements to persuade the legislators to rewrite their law. *** But will they care? or good legal based, or profit based. if they need tech answers, be honest, and say that is not _my_ area of expertise, but I can get someone who is a true expert in that area who will answer your questions, as well as can be. How could your MEP begin to know if he was being bullshitted anyway, he does not know the 'right' answers if it is that technical anyway? *** Actualy They know when they are being bullshitted they just don't care** Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand in the works ? *** Yes it is true tho copyrights are a bigger problem** I suggest you offer that 'just because the Americans do it' is a poor reason for anything, and leave that at that. Also, The whole point about patenting code is that it prevents anyone else from creating their own version, whereas if I have understood this correctly, while someone may own copywrite of their piece of computer code , there is nothing to stop anyone else from writing their own independently produced version of that code. So by way of example , Robert Louis Stevenson may of written Treasure Island but there is nothing to prevent another Author from writing another Book called Treasure Island with a similar story , provided it is writen as a fresh novel and in his own words, and not just a carbon copy of Stevenson version. not quite. there is nothing to prevent someone else writing a book about buried treasure, islands, and a peg leg ship capt. so there should not be a patent on writing a bit of code to send out a fax from a PS document just not everyone can call it 'hylafax'. but it would be wrong to not allow any one else to have the right to use the idea of a blinking text in a web page, while it is fine to prevent the blinking text from being the text of 'RLS's Treasure Island' (Treasure island may not be the best example as I believe it is in the public domain, therefor not copyright protected any longer). *** Under the old copyright law Mickey Mouse would be in the Public Domain However Disney Corp. Has lots of money them and Sony got the law changed** Can't hurt. If anyone in the EU has a lug in their area, amybe copying a few links from this thread and forwarding them around might be a nice idea too. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Saturday 04 October 2003 11:53 am, Aron Smith wrote: As the Taxidermist said(while. taking his girlfriend to dinner) you gotta stuff the bird before you mount it Yea, and I'm a firm believer that one in the bush is worth 2 in the hand anytime wicked grin -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 03:45, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 3, 2003 09:11 am, HaywireMac wrote: [..] That's not really the issue, as we were discussing before. I think you even said it, Linux, Unix, whatever platform will never be 100% secure, but as always, I would put a default install of Mandrake up against a patched and configured Windows box any time and bet on a winner. Everything is relative, there are no absolutes... LOL! However, when you talk about something like SELinux, the law of diminishing returns would seem to dictate that the cost/effort would simply be out of sight for anyone below the level of extreme-l33t-haxor to attempt an exploit. In implementing SELinux, the NSA is putting up a platform that they hope will be mostly impervious to anything except a hacker who is backed by the budget and resources of an entire *State*. For that notional elite, and their hypothetical state sponsored projects there are further levels of security, further layers to pass before a hack possibly gains any access in any targeted system. Please don't tell me that you don't think the specific research project identified above, the developers involved, and the agency in control, have never heard of honey traps and tarpits? (-; Or sacrificial decoys; which, with their budget, would likely be standard networking hardware. Oy ... I thought honeypots were illegal now in the US... http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1703 I had thought that (even though I run some) the US system was starting to blast/out-law the simple matter of even running a honey-pot... (What? They're coming to get me here?) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Sentenced to two years hard labor (for sodomy), Oscar Wilde stood handcuffed in driving rain waiting for transport to prison. If this is the way Queen Victoria treats her prisoners, he remarked, she doesn't deserve to have any. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 05:08, Charlie M. wrote: Mac OSX users and 'nixers only need apply. (-; I know...I'm a sick bastard. We already know that - and your point IS? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Neuroses are red, Melancholia's blue. I'm schizophrenic, What are you? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 05:21, Aron Smith wrote: BTW does any one still have that URL ? http://thor.prohosting.com/~kilgoret/error/404.html stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The chicken that clucks the loudest is the one most likely to show up at the steam fitters' picnic. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 4, 2003 01:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: [..] For that notional elite, and their hypothetical state sponsored projects there are further levels of security, further layers to pass before a hack possibly gains any access in any targeted system. Please don't tell me that you don't think the specific research project identified above, the developers involved, and the agency in control, have never heard of honey traps and tarpits? (-; Or sacrificial decoys; which, with their budget, would likely be standard networking hardware. Oy ... I thought honeypots were illegal now in the US... http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1703 I had thought that (even though I run some) the US system was starting to blast/out-law the simple matter of even running a honey-pot... (What? They're coming to get me here?) stephen kuhn - owner Maybe for everyone except for suck-up corporations that help (hypocritical) Officials to snoop on private communication, and the (hypocritical) agencies controlled (hypocritically) Officially? Besides it only matters (apparently, hypocritically) in the Land of the WHEEE and the home of the depraved. (-; Like you I'll do what I do with my own equipment and be damned to anyone that tries to say no. I won't admit to anything more than knowledge of the words honeypot or tarpit, or the name LaBrea. What are they talking about? What security? Where? Plausible deniability ya know Like you I'm an expatriate U.S. citizen, and if they want that citizenship back I still have Canadian citizenship; plus there are a few broken promises and treaties with various of my ancestors that I'd like to hear explained. Publicly. Sick, evil, and twisted; and that's the problem of any of the powers that be that find it offencive, not mine. Anarchists'R'Us. G Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 14:06:06 up 14 days, 3:27, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.15, 0.10 Not every question deserves an answer. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/fyv6G11CaRuZZSIRApz8AJ48FqSxBCXSTh+JNHNBdW7i6skKjgCghq/2 TPcNIJOsWcQJQMN1RPsVo/8= =60Rm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:16:27 +0100 Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippers I thought multi-tasking was invented by some cavewoman who had to hold a baby, cook mammoth steaks and pretend to liten to her husband's hunting stories at the same time ;-) Sir Robin This is why women like using linux - we recognise it as a kindred spirit! Margot Here hear Margot! lol mm funny I can't reboot to windows anymore.. I miss My 8 desktops! sigh Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:17:10 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 02:08, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Femme: Well, now we know why you didn't choose a career in the diplomatic service.-- cmg Yeah - that might be true...God...I wanted to say something horribly rude, but I can't bring myself to do it - FEMME - HAND ME SOME DRUGS. NOW. PRONTO. stephen kuhn - owner *gives stephen some morphine...* cut em in half so they don't kill you dear call the paramedics if you start breathing very shallowly orgoing too numb. :) PharmaFemme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:27:41 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 03:07, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 02 October 2003 10:31 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: Finger-Licking-Good-Femme (or so they tell me) roflol I can see a herd of lawyers from Kentucky Fried Chicken bearing down on you, even as we speak Femme! :-) Brings to mind the same old question: Smells like fish - tastes like chicken Smells like chicken - tastes like fish ?? Only FEMME can answer that one... stephen kuhn - owner *blink...* I'm not touching that one... EVER... F Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] squirrelmail on 8.2
Hi all y'all Until several days ago I was running a squirrelmail on my 8.2 server. After update I lost it. It look like it was un-installed. I tried to load latest package but it dose not work. Question is does someone on the list running squirrelmail on vanilla 8.2 install and what is the version of the package (i.e. 1.2.x)? Check out my web page TechTv is in town and I took pictures with Leo and Patrick. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thought MS was scary enough? Nope.
Hello HaywireMac, Saturday, October 4, 2003, 8:06:30 AM, you wrote: H A deal with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies would allow the H operating system to directly control hardware. Hardware control is the holy grail. The US gov't tried it back a bit by trying to get a chip in most everything electronic. Public howl finally defeated that, but it was close. It was clear that the media giants would try again. I guess it's easier to just go to M$ and have them do it. Some really bad parts from the article: making it easier for system administrators to remotely monitor the hardware configurations of their systems and allow better control of unauthorised devices connected to a system. This gives total control over 'your' hardware. closer integration of Windows with PC hardware. BIOS will probably only support M$. would allow content providers to identify which PCs and devices were authorised to play particular files. Got linux? Forget playing any commercial media. A great way for M$ to try and stamp out linux. Consumer electronics makers are particularly interested in the technology. Our work is cut out for us. We HAVE to speak up, and LOUDLY. As before, let them know we will NOT buy such hardware. H Looks like our next target is this Phoenix Technologies. Try to spread the word: check carefully and NEVER buy any computer with a Phoenix BIOS. I thought Palladium was bad. This is ridiculous It is the same chip-in-everything idea that was defeated before, but cast in a slightly different light. This time, unfortunately, it has the might of M$ behind it. Bad news. On the other hand, it might p*ss off enough people that linux will begin to look much more attractive. M$ probably realizes this too, and might do things to make our life difficult (again, authorization control is the key). -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] squirrelmail on 8.2
yankl wrote: Hi all y'all Until several days ago I was running a squirrelmail on my 8.2 server. After update I lost it. It look like it was un-installed. I tried to load latest package but it dose not work. Question is does someone on the list running squirrelmail on vanilla 8.2 install and what is the version of the package (i.e. 1.2.x)? Check out my web page TechTv is in town and I took pictures with Leo and Patrick. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Franki: Since 8.2 is not supported anymore, I'd suggest you update.. As for the squirellmail thiung,, why use an RPM?? its just a bunch of php scripts with a perl config. I downloaded the latest tarball from the sqm site and untarred it, dumped the lot into a webmail dir in my webroot. ran the perl config script, answered the questions, and selected save. Then I tightened permissiones as per the install instructions, and pointed my browser at it.. worked off the bat. I had no experiance with either imap (always used pop3 or secure pop3) or sqm.. and I had it up and running in less then 20 minutes.. If I can do it, anyone can. rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] logrotate
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:27, mike wrote: Thanks, Fajar I edited the /etc/logrotate.d/syslog to daily instead of weekly. Under /etc/cron.daily I have logrotate* so I should be good to go. Mike, JFYI: the command to force log rotation of /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages would be: # logrotate -v -f /etc/logrotate.d/syslog NOTE: Using the default logrotate config file for syslog (/etc/logrotate.d/syslog) will not only rotate /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages but ALSO rotates a hell of lot of other logs like /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/user.log for example. Look at the list in the config file. You may want to first create your own config file just for /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages that you can use whenever the need arises. You could just copy /etc/logrotate.d/syslog to /home/user/mysyslog and remove all other logs from the list in this file and issue the command: # logrotate -v -f /home/user/mysyslog Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] pekwm graphical pager
What is wrong with pekwm when I try to use a graphical pager with it? I am using xfce4-panel and pekwm. The desktop that you are currently on displays alot the smaller than the others. When you click on an area below viewable, the entire screen moves and centers on the mouse click. It's hard to explain. Thanks for any help. John Drouhard -- Sat Oct 4 17:14:11 CDT 2003 - They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upper Case
On Saturday 04 October 2003 04:48 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: I have 1500 fonts from my computer lifetime that I would like to add to my oo options, but many of the filenames are upper case. Anyone know how to rename them in lower case all at once? Lee Try this, I've found it to work very well. http://www.blemished.net/chcase.html -- Regards Chris A 100% Microsoft free computer Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 5:18pm up 13 days, 23:28, 6 users, load average: 0.31, 0.41, 0.27 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand in the works ? John: Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a patent to a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing (as opposed to the normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about it (Will is my 3 year old grandson), he wanted to file two separate patents: Swinging cattywampus, and swinging in circles. Both applications would include (1) standard flat board on two rope swings, (2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a single rope swings. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] logrotate
Sharrea Day wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:27, mike wrote: Thanks, Fajar I edited the /etc/logrotate.d/syslog to daily instead of weekly. Under /etc/cron.daily I have logrotate* so I should be good to go. Mike, JFYI: the command to force log rotation of /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages would be: # logrotate -v -f /etc/logrotate.d/syslog I see now, that was my mistake on the command, rotate needed a config file to use. I was useing rotate -f instead of rotate -v -f /etc/logrotate.d/syslog NOTE: Using the default logrotate config file for syslog (/etc/logrotate.d/syslog) will not only rotate /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages but ALSO rotates a hell of lot of other logs like /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/user.log for example. Look at the list in the config file. Yes I discovered that after it ran. You may want to first create your own config file just for /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages that you can use whenever the need arises. You could just copy /etc/logrotate.d/syslog to /home/user/mysyslog and remove all other logs from the list in this file and issue the command: # logrotate -v -f /home/user/mysyslog That is a great idea! I am going to try that, I could use the practice learning how the config files work. Sharrea Thank you Sharrea for showing me that. Still trying to get a handle on those man pages. :-) Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:41, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand in the works ? John: Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a patent to a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing (as opposed to the normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about it (Will is my 3 year old grandson), he wanted to file two separate patents: Swinging cattywampus, and swinging in circles. Both applications would include (1) standard flat board on two rope swings, (2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a single rope swings. -- cmg Basically a patent is just a license to sue, unfortunately the bastards have both the money AND the Lawyers. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] New to the list
Hey gang, I'm new to this list and wanted to ask a few questions. I'm planning on trashing my Windows2000 machine in favor of a dual boot Windows2000 / Mandrake 9.1 system. My idea is to have the Linux box become my main desktop system. The current hard drive I use with Windows is a bit small at 15GB. I am in the market for a higher capacity drive - anything from 80GB up - and wanted to get some advice before I buy anything. Are there any drives I should stay away from or is just getting any IDE drive (like a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 7200rpm IDE) going to work. I'd like to get the new hard drive in, install 9.1 on it, and then hook up my current 15GB drive as a slave for possibly holding all my music data. This sound fine? Also, is there a list of supported peripherals for 9.1 anywhere? I'd like to check my current system setup (network card, router, video card, sound card) etc.. to make sure they are supported. Thanks all, --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trajiklyhip.com Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New to the list
On Sunday 05 October 2003 12:13 am, Aaron West wrote: Hey gang, I'm new to this list and wanted to ask a few questions. I'm planning on trashing my Windows2000 machine in favor of a dual boot Windows2000 / Mandrake 9.1 system. My idea is to have the Linux box become my main desktop system. The current hard drive I use with Windows is a bit small at 15GB. I am in the market for a higher capacity drive - anything from 80GB up - and wanted to get some advice before I buy anything. Are there any drives I should stay away from or is just getting any IDE drive (like a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 7200rpm IDE) going to work. I'd like to get the new hard drive in, install 9.1 on it, and then hook up my current 15GB drive as a slave for possibly holding all my music data. Anything but Western Digital. Well documented problems with shortcuts for crc error checking. The problems don't show up in Windows, but Linux can stress the drive more causing the problems to come out. Lot's of people, including me, have run Linux on a WD drive without problem, but if you are buying new, I'd steer clear and go to Maxtor or Seagate. If I were in your shoes, I'd get a high capacity drive and partition it so that you had about 6-8GB for the OS (that's all you need) with the balance split out into two partitions, one of which is 15GB (the size of your other drive) Then I would use the 15GB partition and the original drive to create a RAID 1 mirror for storing all of my can't bear to lose if the drive fails data. This sound fine? Also, is there a list of supported peripherals for 9.1 anywhere? I'd like to check my current system setup (network card, router, video card, sound card) etc.. to make sure they are supported. Router should be no problem if it is configured through a browser interface. Here's some user notes from the Community TWiki http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HardwareCompatibility Also, since you're new around these parts, unset your reply-to in your mail client. If your from address is the same as your reply-to, there is no need to set it. It screws up list posting. When I hit reply, it goes to you instead of to the list. (Of course, if you have not ditched Windows yet and you are posting from OE, I don't think you can change this behavior because MS, as always, knows what is best for you) -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
