Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

That's very nice. Thanks.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:20, Eldridge, Dave  wrote:
> Mine is. I moved our ts licensing from an 03 to 08 to do just this.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: TS licensing question
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> Good to know. Can the licensing server be the TS machine itself?
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 05:16, Miller Bonnie L.
>  wrote:
>> I didn’t see it mentioned, but don’t forget you’ll need to run a 2008 TS
>> Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs—they won’t install on 2003.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
>> - the money just isn't there for it.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>>> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>>> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>>>
>>> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>>> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>>>
>>> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>>>
>>>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>>>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>>>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>>>> correct?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Phil Brutsche
>>> p...@optimumdata.com
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RE: TS licensing question

[Eldridge, Dave]

Mine is. I moved our ts licensing from an 03 to 08 to do just this.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS licensing question

Good to know. Can the licensing server be the TS machine itself?

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 05:16, Miller Bonnie L.
 wrote:
> I didn’t see it mentioned, but don’t forget you’ll need to run a 2008 TS
> Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs—they won’t install on 2003.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
> - the money just isn't there for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>>
>> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>>
>> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>>
>>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>>> correct?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phil Brutsche
>> p...@optimumdata.com
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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

Good to know. Can the licensing server be the TS machine itself?

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 05:16, Miller Bonnie L.
 wrote:
> I didn’t see it mentioned, but don’t forget you’ll need to run a 2008 TS
> Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs—they won’t install on 2003.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
> - the money just isn't there for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>>
>> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>>
>> Kurt Buff wrote:
 #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
 overall CAL scheme.
>>>
>>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>>> correct?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Phil Brutsche
>> p...@optimumdata.com
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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

Probably user CALs, unless there's some compelling reason otherwise.

I anticipate the largest set of users will be people who are using our
Sonciwall SSL VPN remotely.

Kurt

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 02:40, Dean Cunningham
 wrote:
> Are the remote desktop cals able to be bought as user CALS or  device CALS
>  as was with the 2003 CALS?
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
>> - the money just isn't there for it.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>> > In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
>> > your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>> >
>> > Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
>> > over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>> >
>> > Kurt Buff wrote:
>> >>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into
>> >>> your
>> >>> overall CAL scheme.
>> >>
>> >> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>> >> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>> >> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Phil Brutsche
>> > p...@optimumdata.com
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: TS licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

Yes

On 2/21/2010 4:40 AM, Dean Cunningham wrote:
> Are the remote desktop cals able to be bought as user CALS or  device
> CALS  as was with the 2003 CALS?

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

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RE: TS licensing question

[Miller Bonnie L .]

I didn't see it mentioned, but don't forget you'll need to run a 2008 TS 
Licensing server to hand out 2008 CALs-they won't install on 2003.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
- the money just isn't there for it.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche 
mailto:p...@optimumdata.com>> wrote:
> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>
> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>
> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>
>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>> correct?
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com

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Re: TS licensing question

[Dean Cunningham]

Are the remote desktop cals able to be bought as user CALS or  device CALS
 as was with the 2003 CALS?

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
> - the money just isn't there for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> > In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
> > your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
> >
> > Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
> > over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
> >
> > Kurt Buff wrote:
> >>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into
> your
> >>> overall CAL scheme.
> >>
> >> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
> >> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
> >> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
> >> correct?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Phil Brutsche
> > p...@optimumdata.com
>
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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

Buying more CALs than absolutely required is not going to be an option
- the money just isn't there for it.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:33, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
> your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.
>
> Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
> over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.
>
> Kurt Buff wrote:
>>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>>> overall CAL scheme.
>>
>> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
>> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
>> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
>> correct?
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com

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~   ~

Re: TS licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

In other words, I would make sure you get the CALs to cover everyone in
your org., rather than just those that will be using the new TS.

Volume licensing covers older operating systems, so you may be
over-licensed on your 2k3 R2 machines.

Kurt Buff wrote:
>> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
>> overall CAL scheme.
> 
> At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
> our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
> CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
> correct?

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

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Re: TS licensing question

[Kurt Buff]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:51, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> #1 - Those part numbers are specific to the reseller you're talking to.
> Strip off the "MBL-" and you will get Microsoft's SKUs.

That's good to know. Thanks - I wondered why my google searches
weren't working the way I expected.

> #2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
> overall CAL scheme.

At this point I have no idea how to do that. As I said, this would be
our very first Win2k8 server, let alone R2. I'm assuming that the user
CALs could be used for any new Win2k8 R2 servers we spin up, though,
correct?

> My experience is that terminal servers work fine in ESX.

That's the way the current TS machine is running, and several of my
Win2k3 R2 servers, too. Thanks for the confirmation on Win2k8.


Thanks,

Kurt

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Re: TS licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

#1 - Those part numbers are specific to the reseller you're talking to.
Strip off the "MBL-" and you will get Microsoft's SKUs.

#2 - I would find a way to work the user CALs for Server 08 R2 into your
overall CAL scheme.

My experience is that terminal servers work fine in ESX.

Kurt Buff wrote:
> All,
> 
> We're currently a Win2k3 R2 shop, and I need to retire a Win2k TS server.
> 
> I've gotten a quote for a new Win2k8 OS and client licenses.
> 
> The specific MSFT part numbers quoted are:
> 
> MBL-P73-04982 - OS Win2k8 R2
> MBL-R18-02709 - User CAL
> MBL-6VC-01164 - Remote Desktop Services CAL
> 
> These are all under Open License.
> 
> I'd just like to verify that these part numbers are what I need, and
> all I need, to make this happen.
> 
> Does this square with your experience?
> 
> Further info: I'm likely to virtualize this setup on our ESX server,
> if that makes a difference.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~


-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

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RE: TS Licensing

[Free, Bob]

> I do not remember how they are assigned

 

They are assigned according to how you configure the Terminal Server,
per-seat or per-user

 

From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: TS Licensing

 

I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
employees to use? How many do not need TS access?

 

If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More
users require more licenses.

 

If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people
then device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an
increase of TS licenses.

 

You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not
remember how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the
licensing server. 

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

Art

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS Licensing

 

We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't
use computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running
short on those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and
are thinking we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing
fancy, all our servers are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.
Everything works, we are just running out of licenses.  Wondering if
anyone out there has 2 licenses servers up so they can run both types
and how does that work for you(if it is even possible to do on one
network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary licenses, those are plumb full as
well)  

 

thanks for any help.

 

jeff

 

 

 

 

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RE: TS Licensing

[Free, Bob]

I did that trip one night, from US to India to Ireland in less than ½ an hour  J

 

From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS Licensing

 

I have successfully (after hours of being bounced around on the phone) 
successfully gotten CALs transferred from device to user CALs.  It was 
frustrating bouncing from tech support to licensing to techs upport, getting 
disconnected, starting over, but eventually it happened.

Bill


Jeff Brown wrote: 

Thank you.  Very well put.  BUT, if what I'm reading is correct, with device 
cal's when your number is issued, you are done, no more connections are allowed 
until one is freed up.  I own 70 device cals.  I have less than 70 users 
logging in, but many of them log in from 2 or 3 different machines and we run 
out because of that. 

 

If I had purchased user licenses, and if I understand what I have read, even 
when/if my licenses were exceeded my users would not be denied access to the 
terminal server.  It was an unfortunate choice for us.  We intend to be 
compliant with our licenses ALL THE TIME, so we aren't just looking for a way 
to cheat MS.  If I had purchased per user licenses I would not have a problem.  
I have fewer than 70 users accessing the TS servers I am absolutely sure.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Free, Bob  wrote:
> Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.

 To amplify what Bob is saying:

 Every client using your server must have a CAL.  CALs are *not*
assigned to servers, they're assigned to clients.

 The client that gets the CAL assigned to it can be a warm body
("user") or a piece of equipment ("device").  But one of those two
must have a CAL assigned it.

 If you have one Terminal Server, with 100 users (each with their own
PC), you need 100 CALs.  Even if you only have *one* person logging on
at a time, you still need 100 CALs.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx

-- Ben


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RE: TS Licensing

[Klint Price]

I believe you can have multiple license servers, and set the TS app server to 
specifically use one or the other.

Klint

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS Licensing

Thanks for all the input.  In retrospect, i wish we had chosen user CAL's NOT 
device CAL's from the start.  I would recommend that path to anyone in the 
future.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:

IIRC it's either/or. Also IIRC there's some sort of timer that kicsk in so you 
can't move user CALs from user A to B to C in three days. Whether the software 
implements this or it's just on paper I have no idea.



Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>



c - 312.731.3132



From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com<mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS Licensing



We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use 
computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on 
those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking we 
might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers are 
W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just running out 
of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses servers up so they 
can run both types and how does that work for you(if it is even possible to do 
on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary licenses, those are plumb full as 
well)



thanks for any help.



jeff














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Re: TS Licensing

[Kurt Buff]

We don't do no home at work. That is of course as opposed to work at home...

Yes, we've run into the issues with Linux using RDP for our TS server.

We don't have any Vista, either, so hadn't run into that.

I'm leaning more towards thin clients and virtual desktops all the
time. Solves *so* many problems, even beyond licensing.

Kurt

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 13:30, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
> I think you meant to say "As long as you have 2000 Pro or XP Pro, no
> separate TS license needed".
>
> If you have a home-user Windows OS (Win9x, XP Home, Vista Home, Win7
> Home), you need TS CALs.
>
> If you have a non-Windows OS (Mac OS X or *NIX through any of the really
> sucky open source RDP clients), you need TS CALs.
>
> If you have a business-oriented Windows OS newer than XP, you need TS
> CALs. I distinctly remember that our Vista Business machines consumed a
> TS CAL when we were still using a Windows 2000 TS.
>
> Kurt Buff wrote:
>> Lovely. I knew there was a reason why we haven't switched away from
>> our Win2k TS server to something newer. With that, as long as you have
>> XP or newer, no separate TS license needed.
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

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RE: TS Licensing

[Free, Bob]

That's because XP had a built-in license, AKA desktop equivalency, for W2K and 
2003 up to April 24, 2003. In addition to the creation of User CAL and External 
Connector options, W2K3 Terminal Server removed Windows desktop equivalency - 
the provision by which the latest version of the Windows desktop OS could be 
used to substitute for a Terminal Server CAL. We had to count how many copies 
we had purchased prior to that date and were given CALs for them. My W2k3 
license server has like 4 kinds of licenses on it.

Bottom line for 2003, if the server is in per user, it checks for the existence 
of a Licensing Service and that's it. At that point they (per-user) are not 
truly accounted for.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS Licensing

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Free, Bob  wrote:
>> Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.
>
>���To amplify what Bob is saying:
>
>���Every client using your server must have a CAL. ��CALs are *not*
> assigned to servers, they're assigned to clients.
>
>���The client that gets the CAL assigned to it can be a warm body
> ("user") or a piece of equipment ("device"). ��But one of those two
> must have a CAL assigned it.
>
>���If you have one Terminal Server, with 100 users (each with their own
> PC), you need 100 CALs. ��Even if you only have *one* person logging on
> at a time, you still need 100 CALs.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
>
> -- Ben


Lovely. I knew there was a reason why we haven't switched away from
our Win2k TS server to something newer. With that, as long as you have
XP or newer, no separate TS license needed.

Kurt

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Re: TS Licensing

[Phil Brutsche]

I think you meant to say "As long as you have 2000 Pro or XP Pro, no
separate TS license needed".

If you have a home-user Windows OS (Win9x, XP Home, Vista Home, Win7
Home), you need TS CALs.

If you have a non-Windows OS (Mac OS X or *NIX through any of the really
sucky open source RDP clients), you need TS CALs.

If you have a business-oriented Windows OS newer than XP, you need TS
CALs. I distinctly remember that our Vista Business machines consumed a
TS CAL when we were still using a Windows 2000 TS.

Kurt Buff wrote:
> Lovely. I knew there was a reason why we haven't switched away from
> our Win2k TS server to something newer. With that, as long as you have
> XP or newer, no separate TS license needed.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Kurt Buff]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Free, Bob  wrote:
>> Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.
>
>  To amplify what Bob is saying:
>
>  Every client using your server must have a CAL.  CALs are *not*
> assigned to servers, they're assigned to clients.
>
>  The client that gets the CAL assigned to it can be a warm body
> ("user") or a piece of equipment ("device").  But one of those two
> must have a CAL assigned it.
>
>  If you have one Terminal Server, with 100 users (each with their own
> PC), you need 100 CALs.  Even if you only have *one* person logging on
> at a time, you still need 100 CALs.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
>
> -- Ben


Lovely. I knew there was a reason why we haven't switched away from
our Win2k TS server to something newer. With that, as long as you have
XP or newer, no separate TS license needed.

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Phil Brutsche]

One caveat to keep in mind is you need to be current on your SA to be
able to change from device to user CALs (or vice versa).

wjh wrote:
> I have successfully (after hours of being bounced around on the phone)
> successfully gotten CALs transferred from device to user CALs.  It was
> frustrating bouncing from tech support to licensing to techs upport,
> getting disconnected, starting over, but eventually it happened.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[wjh]

I have successfully (after hours of being bounced around on the phone) 
successfully gotten CALs transferred from device to user CALs.  It was 
frustrating bouncing from tech support to licensing to techs upport, 
getting disconnected, starting over, but eventually it happened.

Bill


Jeff Brown wrote:
> Thank you.  Very well put.  BUT, if what I'm reading is correct, with 
> device cal's when your number is issued, you are done, no more 
> connections are allowed until one is freed up.  I own 70 device cals. 
>  I have less than 70 users logging in, but many of them log in from 2 
> or 3 different machines and we run out because of that.
>
> If I had purchased user licenses, and if I understand what I have 
> read, even when/if my licenses were exceeded my users would not be 
> denied access to the terminal server.  It was an unfortunate choice 
> for us.  We intend to be compliant with our licenses ALL THE TIME, so 
> we aren't just looking for a way to cheat MS.  If I had purchased per 
> user licenses I would not have a problem.  I have fewer than 70 users 
> accessing the TS servers I am absolutely sure.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Ben Scott  > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Free, Bob  > wrote:
> > Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.
>
>  To amplify what Bob is saying:
>
>  Every client using your server must have a CAL.  CALs are *not*
> assigned to servers, they're assigned to clients.
>
>  The client that gets the CAL assigned to it can be a warm body
> ("user") or a piece of equipment ("device").  But one of those two
> must have a CAL assigned it.
>
>  If you have one Terminal Server, with 100 users (each with their own
> PC), you need 100 CALs.  Even if you only have *one* person logging on
> at a time, you still need 100 CALs.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>  


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Jeff Brown]

Thank you.  Very well put.  BUT, if what I'm reading is correct, with device
cal's when your number is issued, you are done, no more connections are
allowed until one is freed up.  I own 70 device cals.  I have less than 70
users logging in, but many of them log in from 2 or 3 different machines and
we run out because of that.
If I had purchased user licenses, and if I understand what I have read, even
when/if my licenses were exceeded my users would not be denied access to the
terminal server.  It was an unfortunate choice for us.  We intend to be
compliant with our licenses ALL THE TIME, so we aren't just looking for a
way to cheat MS.  If I had purchased per user licenses I would not have a
problem.  I have fewer than 70 users accessing the TS servers I am
absolutely sure.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Free, Bob  wrote:
> > Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.
>
>   To amplify what Bob is saying:
>
>  Every client using your server must have a CAL.  CALs are *not*
> assigned to servers, they're assigned to clients.
>
>  The client that gets the CAL assigned to it can be a warm body
> ("user") or a piece of equipment ("device").  But one of those two
> must have a CAL assigned it.
>
>  If you have one Terminal Server, with 100 users (each with their own
> PC), you need 100 CALs.  Even if you only have *one* person logging on
> at a time, you still need 100 CALs.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Free, Bob  wrote:
> Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.

  To amplify what Bob is saying:

  Every client using your server must have a CAL.  CALs are *not*
assigned to servers, they're assigned to clients.

  The client that gets the CAL assigned to it can be a warm body
("user") or a piece of equipment ("device").  But one of those two
must have a CAL assigned it.

  If you have one Terminal Server, with 100 users (each with their own
PC), you need 100 CALs.  Even if you only have *one* person logging on
at a time, you still need 100 CALs.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: TS Licensing

[Free, Bob]

Still won't help. TS Licensing still has no notion of concurrency.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS Licensing

Oh, yah. That's correct.

My bad.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 08:50, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If my understanding is correct, that will only help if you are using "user"
> cal's. ��I would strongly recommend going that route.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Ah, this makes a bit more sense.
>>
>> One way to handle this, I think, is to set timeouts for sessions. I'd
>> set it for a 4-hour or 8-hour timeout, so that if they are logged in
>> and idle for longer than that their session gets logged out.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 21:38, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Makes sense, but it looks like the Licensing server is telling us
>> > EITHER/OR,
>> > not both and I don't see an option around that.
>> > This is definitely not cut and dried.���I really thought device CALS was
>> > the
>> > way to go, because we have a lot of "shared" computer space, and users
>> > that
>> > are only on a computer 3 to 4 hours a week.���Problem is, we have opened
>> > up
>> > Remote VPN access and now their home computers are eating up those
>> > licenses.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
>> >> employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
>> >> employees to use? How many do not need TS access?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
>> >> User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More
>> >> users
>> >> require more licenses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people
>> >> then
>> >> device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an
>> >> increase of
>> >> TS licenses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not
>> >> remember
>> >> how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
>> >> server.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hope that makes sense.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Art
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
>> >>
>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> Subject: TS Licensing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't
>> >> use
>> >> computers at all.���We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running
>> >> short on
>> >> those.���Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are
>> >> thinking
>> >> we might ��be better off adding "user" CAL's?���Nothing fancy, all our
>> >> servers
>> >> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro�� Everything works, we are just
>> >> running out of licenses. ��Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
>> >> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if
>> >> it
>> >> is even possible to do on one network??)���(yes, we have 25 temporary
>> >> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thanks for any help.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/�� ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Kurt Buff]

Oh, yah. That's correct.

My bad.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 08:50, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If my understanding is correct, that will only help if you are using "user"
> cal's.  I would strongly recommend going that route.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Ah, this makes a bit more sense.
>>
>> One way to handle this, I think, is to set timeouts for sessions. I'd
>> set it for a 4-hour or 8-hour timeout, so that if they are logged in
>> and idle for longer than that their session gets logged out.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 21:38, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Makes sense, but it looks like the Licensing server is telling us
>> > EITHER/OR,
>> > not both and I don't see an option around that.
>> > This is definitely not cut and dried.  I really thought device CALS was
>> > the
>> > way to go, because we have a lot of "shared" computer space, and users
>> > that
>> > are only on a computer 3 to 4 hours a week.  Problem is, we have opened
>> > up
>> > Remote VPN access and now their home computers are eating up those
>> > licenses.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
>> >> employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
>> >> employees to use? How many do not need TS access?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
>> >> User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More
>> >> users
>> >> require more licenses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people
>> >> then
>> >> device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an
>> >> increase of
>> >> TS licenses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not
>> >> remember
>> >> how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
>> >> server.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hope that makes sense.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Art
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
>> >>
>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> Subject: TS Licensing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't
>> >> use
>> >> computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running
>> >> short on
>> >> those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are
>> >> thinking
>> >> we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our
>> >> servers
>> >> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just
>> >> running out of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
>> >> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if
>> >> it
>> >> is even possible to do on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary
>> >> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thanks for any help.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: TS Licensing

[Free, Bob]

TS Licensing is not a stateful system, a license is either used or it isn't. 
There is no notion of concurrent licensing like Citrix  

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS Licensing

Ah, this makes a bit more sense.

One way to handle this, I think, is to set timeouts for sessions. I'd
set it for a 4-hour or 8-hour timeout, so that if they are logged in
and idle for longer than that their session gets logged out.

Kurt

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 21:38, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Makes sense, but it looks like the Licensing server is telling us EITHER/OR,
> not both and I don't see an option around that.
> This is definitely not cut and dried.���I really thought device CALS was the
> way to go, because we have a lot of "shared" computer space, and users that
> are only on a computer 3 to 4 hours a week.���Problem is, we have opened up
> Remote VPN access and now their home computers are eating up those licenses.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:
>>
>> I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
>> employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
>> employees to use? How many do not need TS access?
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
>> User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More users
>> require more licenses.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people then
>> device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an increase of
>> TS licenses.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not remember
>> how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
>> server.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that makes sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: TS Licensing
>>
>>
>>
>> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use
>> computers at all�� We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on
>> those.���Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking
>> we migh�� be better off adding "user" CAL's? ��Nothing fancy, all our servers
>> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro. ��Everything works, we are just
>> running out of licenses.���Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
>> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if it
>> is even possible to do on one network??)���(yes, we have 25 temporary
>> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Jeff Brown]

If my understanding is correct, that will only help if you are using "user"
cal's.  I would strongly recommend going that route.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Ah, this makes a bit more sense.
>
> One way to handle this, I think, is to set timeouts for sessions. I'd
> set it for a 4-hour or 8-hour timeout, so that if they are logged in
> and idle for longer than that their session gets logged out.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 21:38, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Makes sense, but it looks like the Licensing server is telling us
> EITHER/OR,
> > not both and I don't see an option around that.
> > This is definitely not cut and dried.  I really thought device CALS was
> the
> > way to go, because we have a lot of "shared" computer space, and users
> that
> > are only on a computer 3 to 4 hours a week.  Problem is, we have opened
> up
> > Remote VPN access and now their home computers are eating up those
> licenses.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:
> >>
> >> I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
> >> employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
> >> employees to use? How many do not need TS access?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
> >> User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More
> users
> >> require more licenses.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people
> then
> >> device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an
> increase of
> >> TS licenses.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not
> remember
> >> how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
> >> server.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope that makes sense.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
> >>
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: TS Licensing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't
> use
> >> computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running
> short on
> >> those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are
> thinking
> >> we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our
> servers
> >> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just
> >> running out of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
> >> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if
> it
> >> is even possible to do on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary
> >> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks for any help.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Kurt Buff]

Ah, this makes a bit more sense.

One way to handle this, I think, is to set timeouts for sessions. I'd
set it for a 4-hour or 8-hour timeout, so that if they are logged in
and idle for longer than that their session gets logged out.

Kurt

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 21:38, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Makes sense, but it looks like the Licensing server is telling us EITHER/OR,
> not both and I don't see an option around that.
> This is definitely not cut and dried.  I really thought device CALS was the
> way to go, because we have a lot of "shared" computer space, and users that
> are only on a computer 3 to 4 hours a week.  Problem is, we have opened up
> Remote VPN access and now their home computers are eating up those licenses.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:
>>
>> I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
>> employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
>> employees to use? How many do not need TS access?
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
>> User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More users
>> require more licenses.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people then
>> device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an increase of
>> TS licenses.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not remember
>> how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
>> server.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that makes sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: TS Licensing
>>
>>
>>
>> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use
>> computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on
>> those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking
>> we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers
>> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just
>> running out of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
>> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if it
>> is even possible to do on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary
>> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Jeff Brown]

Thanks for all the input.  In retrospect, i wish we had chosen user CAL's
NOT device CAL's from the start.  I would recommend that path to anyone in
the future.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Brian Desmond wrote:

> *IIRC it’s either/or. Also IIRC there’s some sort of timer that kicsk in
> so you can’t move user CALs from user A to B to C in three days. Whether the
> software implements this or it’s just on paper I have no idea.*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c - 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 4:53 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* TS Licensing
>
>
>
> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use
> computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on
> those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking
> we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers
> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just
> running out of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if it
> is even possible to do on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary
> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
>
>
>
> thanks for any help.
>
>
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: TS Licensing

[Brian Desmond]

IIRC it's either/or. Also IIRC there's some sort of timer that kicsk in so you 
can't move user CALs from user A to B to C in three days. Whether the software 
implements this or it's just on paper I have no idea.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS Licensing

We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use 
computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on 
those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking we 
might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers are 
W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just running out 
of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses servers up so they 
can run both types and how does that work for you(if it is even possible to do 
on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary licenses, those are plumb full as 
well)

thanks for any help.

jeff





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: TS Licensing

[Jeff Brown]

Makes sense, but it looks like the Licensing server is telling us EITHER/OR,
not both and I don't see an option around that.
This is definitely not cut and dried.  I really thought device CALS was the
way to go, because we have a lot of "shared" computer space, and users that
are only on a computer 3 to 4 hours a week.  Problem is, we have opened up
Remote VPN access and now their home computers are eating up those licenses.




On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:

>  I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
> employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
> employees to use? How many do not need TS access?
>
>
>
> If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then
> User CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More users
> require more licenses.
>
>
>
> If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people then
> device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an increase of
> TS licenses.
>
>
>
> You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not remember
> how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
> server.
>
>
>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
>
>
> Art
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* TS Licensing
>
>
>
> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use
> computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on
> those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking
> we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers
> are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just
> running out of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
> servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if it
> is even possible to do on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary
> licenses, those are plumb full as well)
>
>
>
> thanks for any help.
>
>
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: TS Licensing

[Art DeKneef]

I go by how the business needs are. Going by your numbers you have 150
employees that used computers. How many computers do you have for the
employees to use? How many do not need TS access?

 

If they have 50 users that need access from 75 different computers then User
CALs are used. The people can use any computer that is open. More users
require more licenses.

 

If they have 50 computers and these computers are access by 75 people then
device CALs are used. This scenario allows more users without an increase of
TS licenses.

 

You can have both types of licenses on the same server. I do not remember
how they are assigned other than when they are entered in the licensing
server. 

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

Art

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS Licensing

 

We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use
computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on
those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking
we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers
are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just
running out of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses
servers up so they can run both types and how does that work for you(if it
is even possible to do on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary
licenses, those are plumb full as well)  

 

thanks for any help.

 

jeff

 

 

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RE: TS Licensing

[James Hill]

That's an interesting idea.

The terminal server licensing server is normally automatically discovered.  
However you can set a specific licensing server with a registry key.  So it MAY 
be possible to run two.

However you are probably better off just moving to user cal's by the sounds of 
things.  The bonus is that Win2k3 doesn't actually keep a track of user cals.  
So if you do run out, things will keep going which gives you time to purchase 
more CALS.

With MS licensing options like True up it's probably not the worst thing in the 
world to be a bit short on user cals every now and again.


From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 7:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS Licensing

We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't use 
computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running short on 
those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and are thinking we 
might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing fancy, all our servers are 
W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.  Everything works, we are just running out 
of licenses.  Wondering if anyone out there has 2 licenses servers up so they 
can run both types and how does that work for you(if it is even possible to do 
on one network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary licenses, those are plumb full as 
well)

thanks for any help.

jeff





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Re: TS Licensing

[Phil Brutsche]

You don't need separate licensing servers for per-device and per-user
CALs. A single licensing server can serve both.

However, teach terminal server needs to be configured to use either
per-device or per-user licensing.

Jeff Brown wrote:
> We use TS extensively, we have less than 200 employees, 50+ that don't
> use computers at all.  We have 70 TS CAL's and have had trouble running
> short on those.  Up to this point we have purchased "device" CAL's and
> are thinking we might  be better off adding "user" CAL's?  Nothing
> fancy, all our servers are W2k3 SP2 and our clients are XP Pro.
>  Everything works, we are just running out of licenses.  Wondering if
> anyone out there has 2 licenses servers up so they can run both types
> and how does that work for you(if it is even possible to do on one
> network??)  (yes, we have 25 temporary licenses, those are plumb full as
> well)  

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

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