Re: [oi-dev] oi_151a9 roadmap planning
Peter Tribble peter.trib...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.comwrote: TribbliX was a for fun desktop-oriented distro (correct me if I'm wrong) by someone that hates IPS and loves SVR4 packaging. I got the impression Peter never seemed to want to help OI out directly because of the IPS issue. That's partially true, but not entirely. It's true that I hate IPS, part of that is emotional and psychological scars that will probably never heal, and they run deep. So it seems that your impression is the same as mine. There is a will for collaboration but it seems that OI causes the impression that OI is not interested in collaboration. If you like to collaborate between different projects, this will need both sides to make compromises and to give enough room so the other side is able to have a benefit. I am willing to give other people enough room and I guess that you would do the same. So let us see whether OI is willing to colaborate. As I mentioned since a long time: OpenSolaris has not enough people to make each job twice, so we need to collaborate if we like OpenSolaris to survive. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] oi_151a9 roadmap planning
Hi, maybird1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jean-Pierre, 1. Submit hardware issues here (dev only) so we know or file a feature/bug request. I would like at least https://www.illumos.org/issues/4097 to be addressed. Another computer just displays APIC Error interrupt on CPU 0. Status 0 = 0, Status 1 = 80 when trying to boot OpenIndiana, but I take this as not fixable. On the the only compute I can use, I have spent a lot of time solving https://www.illumos.org/issues/3367 and Jim Klimov has helped me, but I have never been able to provide support for WPA encryption. I will try again if somebody helps me (I will provide more efforts if the issue 4097 is addressed). 2. Ask oi-userland team for IPS integration of your software. FUSE was in sfe repository. I got them integrated by Milan two years ago, but he is so busy... Also wait a few days, a new version is coming. ~ Ken Mays Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android *From: * Jean-Pierre André jean-pierre.an...@wanadoo.fr; *To: * oi-dev@openindiana.org; *Subject: * Re: [oi-dev] oi_151a9 roadmap planning *Sent: * Thu, Feb 13, 2014 7:42:54 AM Hi, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 02/12/14 12:41 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: (Ideally, you want other communities to build and distribute software for you. That's one area where IPS is a huge obstacle - all this repository stuff is an intolerable burden on third parties, Nearly all package systems have repositories, what makes IPS more intolerable than the rest? (Or had you just not noticed that support for package archives, basically tarball versions of IPS packages, was added to IPS in years past? Oh, great, I did not know. I have three computers, but the hardware for two of them is not supported by OI. I can only install OI on third one, but the WiFi network access is not supported. So, basically I have to download through Windows or Linux, but I do not known how to ftp or wget an update, or anything which is not available in an ISO, from an IPS ? I am the maintainer of ntfs-3g. How should I deposit an IPS package on a plain web server I do not control ? (see http://jp-andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/openindiana-ntfs-3g.html) It wasn't there in the 0.1 version used in the initial OpenSolaris releases, but that was what the kids today call Minimum Viable Product not the intended final state of features.) http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26502_01/html/E21383/pkgcreate.html#gluem ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org javascript:return http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] oi_151a9 roadmap planning
On 02/12/14 11:42 PM, Jean-Pierre André wrote: Hi, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 02/12/14 12:41 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: (Ideally, you want other communities to build and distribute software for you. That's one area where IPS is a huge obstacle - all this repository stuff is an intolerable burden on third parties, Nearly all package systems have repositories, what makes IPS more intolerable than the rest? (Or had you just not noticed that support for package archives, basically tarball versions of IPS packages, was added to IPS in years past? Oh, great, I did not know. I have three computers, but the hardware for two of them is not supported by OI. I can only install OI on third one, but the WiFi network access is not supported. So, basically I have to download through Windows or Linux, but I do not known how to ftp or wget an update, or anything which is not available in an ISO, from an IPS ? I am the maintainer of ntfs-3g. How should I deposit an IPS package on a plain web server I do not control ? (see http://jp-andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/openindiana-ntfs-3g.html) Follow the instructions in the link I provided to use pkgrecv to generate a .p5p archive on the machine you're using to create the package: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26502_01/html/E21383/pkgcreate.html#gluem Figuring out how you post a file on a web site you do not control is your problem to solve - I can't help you there. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Engineering - http://blogs.oracle.com/alanc ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] oi_151a9 roadmap planning
Jean-Pierre, 1. Set -Bacpi-user-options=0x0 (or 0x2) during Grub boot. 2. Use a known good Wi-fi USB stick or daughtercard for WEP. 3. Use VESA for most display things. For the most part, most oi-devs should have working hardware with OI (or speak up, if not). ~ Ken Mays On Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:21 AM, Laurent Blume laurent...@elanor.org wrote: Le 2014/02/13 16:00 +0100, Alan Coopersmith a écrit: Nearly all package systems have repositories, what makes IPS more intolerable than the rest? I wrote a list, but then thought again, there's no point arguing that anymore. If people using it are happy with it, good for them, (Or had you just not noticed that support for package archives, basically tarball versions of IPS packages, was added to IPS in years past? It wasn't there in the 0.1 version used in the initial OpenSolaris releases, but that was what the kids today call Minimum Viable Product not the intended final state of features.) That touches a nerve. Back then, it was not called 0.1. It was called 1.0, and requests for a file format were met with derision, who would ever need that? It was certainly not part of the plan. It took years just to make the devs admit it was needed, and then some more to actually deliver it. I guess now it's good enough. Wonderful, *finally* a round wheel! Having been burnt there, I'd rather not see that history being rewritten to make those disliking it with their good reasons look like fools. Distrusting people who took half a decade to find that round was the right shape makes sense. Laurent ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Garrett D'Amore garrett.dam...@gmail.comwrote: We have about 24 hours to decide whether we are going to do GSoC this year. Do we have mentoring volunteers and a coordinator willing to do so, and with sufficient time? I can mentor someone in So Cal, but experience is that most candidates for GSoC come from overseas. After talking to others, I've been convinced that it's a good idea to continue participating this year, and I'm willing to be the organisation admin provided we try to size projects appropriately to account for risk, testing and review. I'm working on the application. If anyone has strong objections let me know. If OI is interested in applying as well we should coordinate to see if a combined application is appropriate. Slots can be divided amongst the respective mentors. Gordon has volunteered as a mentor. -Albert -- Albert Lee tr...@nexenta.com Nexenta Systems, Inc. http://www.nexenta.com ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
Count me as a conditional mentor. I’ll go ahead and register. I really don’t want to mentor overseas people though — indeed I really only want to work with students who are able to meet in person at least once or twice during the period and over phone/skype at regular intervals. The rationale here is more about my ability to be an effective mentor than anything I have against remote workers in particular — the past few times I’ve mentored I just think I’ve not been effective at helping my students. -- Garrett D'Amore Sent with Airmail On February 13, 2014 at 9:14:40 AM, Albert Lee (tr...@nexenta.com) wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Garrett D'Amore garrett.dam...@gmail.com wrote: We have about 24 hours to decide whether we are going to do GSoC this year. Do we have mentoring volunteers and a coordinator willing to do so, and with sufficient time? I can mentor someone in So Cal, but experience is that most candidates for GSoC come from overseas. After talking to others, I've been convinced that it's a good idea to continue participating this year, and I'm willing to be the organisation admin provided we try to size projects appropriately to account for risk, testing and review. I'm working on the application. If anyone has strong objections let me know. If OI is interested in applying as well we should coordinate to see if a combined application is appropriate. Slots can be divided amongst the respective mentors. Gordon has volunteered as a mentor. -Albert -- Albert Lee tr...@nexenta.com Nexenta Systems, Inc. illumos-developer | Archives | Modify Your Subscription___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
[oi-dev] Anyone working on Nagios Plugins
Hi, Is anyone working on nagios plugins[1] for oi-userland? I just compiled them and installed them on an oi hipster machine via ./configure. Relevant ones to me (check_load, check_ssh, check_procs) seem to work fine. I'd like to build a package as I'd like to distribute it to 20+ machines via puppet. If no one is, can someone point me to a template package in oi-userland? Or perhaps there's a script to create a new package? Once I have it working satisfactorily, I can submit a pull request if it's something that others feel would be useful for OI. Thanks, Richard [1] https://www.nagios-plugins.org/ ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] Anyone working on Nagios Plugins
Hi Alexander, I can try to build nagios as well. We already use nagios on linux but have quite a few oi machines, so I'd like to just get them monitoring as well. I've got a build zone, so I'll try what you say. Thanks! Richard On 2/13/2014 10:41 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: Hello, Richard. I don't know if someone is working on them. As for plugins themself, I don't have any experience with nagios (usually use zabbix or opennms), but as I understand, plugins are a set sensors (or agent) for nagios. Perhaps, it's worth to start with nagios itself? Richard Feltstykket писал 13.02.2014 22:16: If no one is, can someone point me to a template package in oi-userland? Or perhaps there's a script to create a new package? Once I have it working satisfactorily, I can submit a pull request if it's something that others feel would be useful for OI. I usually take Makefile and p5m manifest from some existing package, simple one (e.g. rrdtools), and adopt it. We have some documentation here http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Building+with+oi-userland . --- System Administrator of Southern Federal University Computer Center ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
But they do. Openindiana is still the reference as the only disto that can build vanilla an unmodified illumos-gate. Unless that has changed? Resources are tight enough that if there are mentors for OI willing to help out I see no issue. Unless we have a larger number of mentors and viable candidates than slots. I doubt that is going to happen this year based on the responses so far. I also haven't heard any of OI developers offer to mentor so it may be a moot question. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Keith Wesolowski keith.wesolow...@joyent.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:13:42PM -0500, Albert Lee wrote: After talking to others, I've been convinced that it's a good idea to continue participating this year, and I'm willing to be the organisation admin provided we try to size projects appropriately to account for risk, testing and review. I'm working on the application. If anyone has strong objections let me know. If OI is interested in applying as well we should coordinate to see if a combined application is appropriate. Slots can be divided amongst the respective mentors. Sounds good; thanks, Albert. I'd prefer very strongly to have OI apply separately if they want to participate. A combined application encourages the belief that OI occupies a privileged position in the community relative to other distributions, which as we all know is not the case. I also fear that it might make it difficult to convey the right message around what illumos is and the type of work we're interested in sponsoring (namely, OS work). For the same reasons, I would also oppose a combined application with any other distribution. --- illumos-developer Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182179/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182179/21239177-3604570e Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21239177id_secret=21239177-2d0c9337 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
Keith, I'm not sure if you were aware of this, but the GSoC program organizers have in the past expressed a prefer that related projects band together with shared applications. That makes less work for them. I recommend we tell GSoC in our application that we will entertain projects using any and all illumos distributions. OpenIndiana is one of several good choices. I see no harm in mentioning their inclusion. Would you be more comfortable if we mentioned other open-source distros as well? Gordon On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Keith Wesolowski keith.wesolow...@joyent.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:13:42PM -0500, Albert Lee wrote: After talking to others, I've been convinced that it's a good idea to continue participating this year, and I'm willing to be the organisation admin provided we try to size projects appropriately to account for risk, testing and review. I'm working on the application. If anyone has strong objections let me know. If OI is interested in applying as well we should coordinate to see if a combined application is appropriate. Slots can be divided amongst the respective mentors. Sounds good; thanks, Albert. I'd prefer very strongly to have OI apply separately if they want to participate. A combined application encourages the belief that OI occupies a privileged position in the community relative to other distributions, which as we all know is not the case. I also fear that it might make it difficult to convey the right message around what illumos is and the type of work we're interested in sponsoring (namely, OS work). For the same reasons, I would also oppose a combined application with any other distribution. ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
The ideas page is the place to put such suggestions. See: http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/Google+Summer+of+Code Feel free to add yours. Thanks, Gordon On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Alexander Pyhalov a...@rsu.ru wrote: Hello. Garrett D'Amore писал 14.02.2014 06:43: But they do. Openindiana is still the reference as the only disto that can build vanilla an unmodified illumos-gate. Unless that has changed? Resources are tight enough that if there are mentors for OI willing to help out I see no issue. Unless we have a larger number of mentors and viable candidates than slots. I doubt that is going to happen this year based on the responses so far. I also haven't heard any of OI developers offer to mentor so it may be a moot question. Should we provide a set of specific project ideas for application? I'd like to suppose several tasks if no one objects: 1) make oi-userland safe in respect to parallel package compiling (now we support compiling multiple components in parallel), it would be good to support compiling most components themself in parallel; 2) add build-time dependency tracking to oi-userland (the framework itself to set buildtime dependencies for components and installing prerequisite packages before building) and set correct dependencies for at least all major components; 3) XNV/JDS transition to oi-userland, perhaps renewal of X11; 4) at last, port your favorite software. I'd like to help but I'm not sure in a) how much time I can dedicate to this task b) if I have skills enough to mentor all these task. Also, perhaps, it's better to clear way for non-very-popular illumos tasks (drm/wi-fi stack/new drivers/etc). In sense, that we can solve above mentioned problems (or perhaps workaround them), but we can't do anything if OS just doesn't support specific use case or user system. --- System Administrator of Southern Federal University Computer Center ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
On 02/13/14 07:20 PM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: 4) at last, port your favorite software. Remember that GSoC projects are intended to be a full-time job for ~12 weeks for a student - most ports of software will take a fraction of that time, and I don't think Google cares much for Port as many packages as you can in a summer type projects. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Engineering - http://blogs.oracle.com/alanc ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
Re: [oi-dev] [developer] GSoC? Decision time....
On 02/14/2014 09:14, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 02/13/14 07:20 PM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: 4) at last, port your favorite software. Remember that GSoC projects are intended to be a full-time job for ~12 weeks for a student - most ports of software will take a fraction of that time, and I don't think Google cares much for Port as many packages as you can in a summer type projects. I think it depends. If we take something like Gnome update, OpenOffice or, for example, putting XFCE into oi-userland, it could be adequate amount of work.. -- Best regards, Alexander Pyhalov, system administrator of Computer Center of Southern Federal University ___ oi-dev mailing list oi-dev@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev
