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Re: Hand coding templates in ADL 1.4

2017-02-12 Thread Ian McNicoll

Thanks Pieter/ Diego,

and hi Dileep.

AFAIK Demographics archetypes/ templates are currently only handled by
LinkEhr and Tom Beale's ADL workshop tool. This is partly because ,
to-date, (at least publicly) only a couple of companies have made use of
the openEHR Demographics service - Code24 and Ocean.

Hopefully with the upcoming release of the latest Marand ADL tools and
others, we are quickly reaching a point where we can start the transition
to ADL2. The first step, in my view, is to make sure that ADL-based tools
can readily create ADL 1.4 .opt files, as virtual all of the current,
publicly available back-end CDR's use this. The real advantages of ADL2 are
in the design-time space with relatively little impact on back-end, so we
can probably live with ADL 1.4 .opt for a while until the tools settle
down.As Pieter has said, moving from .oet to ADL 2 will actually make life
easier since we use ADL2 fpr templates too. The quicker we can make that
jump the better.

.oet in an internal Ocean format, and I'm not sure if there are any normal
published specs but a few people ... LinkEHR, Marand and others appear to
support .oet parsing. The upcoming Marand tools, are I understand
open-source so that should provide you with some practical guidance but my
own intention is to move to ADL2 templates for projects ASAP.

Kind regards,

Ian

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On 12 February 2017 at 12:11, Pieter Bos  wrote:

> The editing tools for adl 2 are still limited. However the template
> editing by hand is easier in adl 2 than the earlier template xml formats
> because it's the same adl with a few extra language constructs for
> templates.
>
> And you can convert the ckm to adl 2 quite easily.
>
> Pieter Bos
>
>
> Op 12 feb. 2017 om 12:04 heeft Diego Bosc?  e...@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hello Dileep,
>
> If you stick with ADL 1.4 then you could use LinkEHR Studio (
> http://linkehr.com) to create templates from other RM such as demographic
> model. The same tool can be used to import OET and export OPT for any given
> RM.
>
> Regards
>
> El 12/2/2017 9:44, "Dileep V S" > escribi?:
> Hi,
>
> We are exploring OpenEHR as part of a public health management pilot
> project in India and have some questions that I am unable to find proper
> answers.
>
> After studying the available libraries, tools and opensource server
> implementations, ADL 1.4 seems to be more widely supported than the newer
> ADL 2.0. The shared archetype repository (CKM) still contains only 1.4
> version archetypes. In light of this, I am assuming that for anybody
> planning to adopt OpenEHR, it will be advisable to stick to ADL1.4 for now.
>
> Further I have learned the following wrt. ADL 1.4 standards
>
> File formats for 1.4 version
>
>   *   Archetypes  - ADL 1.4
>   *   Templates - OET
>   *   Operational template - OPT 1.4
>
> Modelling tools - Archetype editor, template designer
>
> I am stuck with trying to answer the following questions. It would be
> great if somebody can help.
>
>   1.  Can we hand create templates that are not supported by the template
> designer? For example demographics?
>   2.  If yes how do we convert the hand coded OETs to OPTs?
>   3.  Where do we get more details on OET file syntax?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dileep
> HealtheLife Ventures LLP
> bamgalore
>
>
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Hand coding templates in ADL 1.4

2017-02-12 Thread Dileep V S

Hi,

We are exploring OpenEHR as part of a public health management pilot
project in India and have some questions that I am unable to find proper
answers.

After studying the available libraries, tools and opensource server
implementations, ADL 1.4 seems to be more widely supported than the newer
ADL 2.0. The shared archetype repository (CKM) still contains only 1.4
version archetypes. In light of this, I am assuming that for anybody
planning to adopt OpenEHR, it will be advisable to stick to ADL1.4 for now.

Further I have learned the following wrt. ADL 1.4 standards

File formats for 1.4 version

   - Archetypes  - ADL 1.4
   - Templates - OET
   - Operational template - OPT 1.4

Modelling tools - Archetype editor, template designer

I am stuck with trying to answer the following questions. It would be great
if somebody can help.

   1. Can we hand create templates that are not supported by the template
   designer? For example demographics?
   2. If yes how do we convert the hand coded OETs to OPTs?
   3. Where do we get more details on OET file syntax?

Thanks

Dileep
HealtheLife Ventures LLP
bamgalore
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Re: Hand coding templates in ADL 1.4

2017-02-12 Thread Pieter Bos

The editing tools for adl 2 are still limited. However the template editing by 
hand is easier in adl 2 than the earlier template xml formats because it's the 
same adl with a few extra language constructs for templates.

And you can convert the ckm to adl 2 quite easily.

Pieter Bos


Op 12 feb. 2017 om 12:04 heeft Diego Bosc? 
> het volgende geschreven:

Hello Dileep,

If you stick with ADL 1.4 then you could use LinkEHR Studio 
(http://linkehr.com) to create templates from other RM such as demographic 
model. The same tool can be used to import OET and export OPT for any given RM.

Regards

El 12/2/2017 9:44, "Dileep V S" 
> escribi?:
Hi,

We are exploring OpenEHR as part of a public health management pilot project in 
India and have some questions that I am unable to find proper answers.

After studying the available libraries, tools and opensource server 
implementations, ADL 1.4 seems to be more widely supported than the newer ADL 
2.0. The shared archetype repository (CKM) still contains only 1.4 version 
archetypes. In light of this, I am assuming that for anybody planning to adopt 
OpenEHR, it will be advisable to stick to ADL1.4 for now.

Further I have learned the following wrt. ADL 1.4 standards

File formats for 1.4 version

  *   Archetypes  - ADL 1.4
  *   Templates - OET
  *   Operational template - OPT 1.4

Modelling tools - Archetype editor, template designer

I am stuck with trying to answer the following questions. It would be great if 
somebody can help.

  1.  Can we hand create templates that are not supported by the template 
designer? For example demographics?
  2.  If yes how do we convert the hand coded OETs to OPTs?
  3.  Where do we get more details on OET file syntax?

Thanks

Dileep
HealtheLife Ventures LLP
bamgalore


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Re: Hand coding templates in ADL 1.4

2017-02-12 Thread Diego Boscá

Hello Dileep,

If you stick with ADL 1.4 then you could use LinkEHR Studio (
http://linkehr.com) to create templates from other RM such as demographic
model. The same tool can be used to import OET and export OPT for any given
RM.

Regards

El 12/2/2017 9:44, "Dileep V S"  escribió:

Hi,

We are exploring OpenEHR as part of a public health management pilot
project in India and have some questions that I am unable to find proper
answers.

After studying the available libraries, tools and opensource server
implementations, ADL 1.4 seems to be more widely supported than the newer
ADL 2.0. The shared archetype repository (CKM) still contains only 1.4
version archetypes. In light of this, I am assuming that for anybody
planning to adopt OpenEHR, it will be advisable to stick to ADL1.4 for now.

Further I have learned the following wrt. ADL 1.4 standards

File formats for 1.4 version

   - Archetypes  - ADL 1.4
   - Templates - OET
   - Operational template - OPT 1.4

Modelling tools - Archetype editor, template designer

I am stuck with trying to answer the following questions. It would be great
if somebody can help.

   1. Can we hand create templates that are not supported by the template
   designer? For example demographics?
   2. If yes how do we convert the hand coded OETs to OPTs?
   3. Where do we get more details on OET file syntax?

Thanks

Dileep
HealtheLife Ventures LLP
bamgalore

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Re: Hand coding templates in ADL 1.4

2017-02-12 Thread Erik Sundvall

Hi!

Great to hear about your project! Please tell us a bit more if you have
time, what are the pilot use-cases? (I am curious since we are planning
some tests in Sweden too...)

It is true that adl 1.4 is currently more used, but for new projects it is
good to track the ADL 2 development. There are tools to automatically
convert archetypes between 1.4 and 2.0, so it is possible to set up
workflows starting from the either the 1.4 or 2.0 end.

The ADL 2 tools are moving forward, so if your modellers will want to use
web-based tools, then plan for 2.0 fairly soon.
I hope you have seen :
-
https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/display/dev/Online+archetype+and+template+tools

and
- https://twitter.com/marandlab/status/826832144672686081

Best regards,
Erik Sundvall
Ph.D. Medical Informatics. Information Architect. Tel: +46-72-524 54 55 (or
010-1036252 in Sweden)
Region Östergötland: erik.sundv...@regionostergotland.se (previously lio.se)
http://www.regionostergotland.se/cmit/
Linköping University: erik.sundv...@liu.se, http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Pieter Bos  wrote:

> The editing tools for adl 2 are still limited. However the template
> editing by hand is easier in adl 2 than the earlier template xml formats
> because it's the same adl with a few extra language constructs for
> templates.
>
> And you can convert the ckm to adl 2 quite easily.
>
> Pieter Bos
>
>
> Op 12 feb. 2017 om 12:04 heeft Diego Bosc?  e...@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hello Dileep,
>
> If you stick with ADL 1.4 then you could use LinkEHR Studio (
> http://linkehr.com) to create templates from other RM such as demographic
> model. The same tool can be used to import OET and export OPT for any given
> RM.
>
> Regards
>
> El 12/2/2017 9:44, "Dileep V S" > escribi?:
> Hi,
>
> We are exploring OpenEHR as part of a public health management pilot
> project in India and have some questions that I am unable to find proper
> answers.
>
> After studying the available libraries, tools and opensource server
> implementations, ADL 1.4 seems to be more widely supported than the newer
> ADL 2.0. The shared archetype repository (CKM) still contains only 1.4
> version archetypes. In light of this, I am assuming that for anybody
> planning to adopt OpenEHR, it will be advisable to stick to ADL1.4 for now.
>
> Further I have learned the following wrt. ADL 1.4 standards
>
> File formats for 1.4 version
>
>   *   Archetypes  - ADL 1.4
>   *   Templates - OET
>   *   Operational template - OPT 1.4
>
> Modelling tools - Archetype editor, template designer
>
> I am stuck with trying to answer the following questions. It would be
> great if somebody can help.
>
>   1.  Can we hand create templates that are not supported by the template
> designer? For example demographics?
>   2.  If yes how do we convert the hand coded OETs to OPTs?
>   3.  Where do we get more details on OET file syntax?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dileep
> HealtheLife Ventures LLP
> bamgalore
>
>
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Re: Hand coding templates in ADL 1.4

2017-02-12 Thread Dileep V S

Hi,

Thank you all for the quick responses. We will try some of the other tools
mentioned in the replies and see if they will work for us. Overall what I
have gathered is as below (please correct if I am wrong)

   1. It will be better to stick to ADL 1.4 OPT for some more time
   2. documentation on oet is not widely distributed as it is a proprietary
   format. So manual coding with oet may not work
   3. An open source ADL 2.0 modelling tool is expected to be released soon
   (Any schedule of when it is expected?).
   4. Till the new tool comes out, the options are to use ocean & LinkEHR
   tools
   5. ADL 1.4 can be converted to ADL 2.0 easily. I assume this is using
   the ADL workbench. Not sure what happens after that as we still do not have
   tools to create 2.0 templates and export them to ADL 1.4 opt.

We work with EHRC (http://ehrc.iiitb.ac.in/work.html) as a technical
partner in their public health initiatives. Access to health in rural India
still faces many challenges. Indian govt. plans to cover 60% of the
population (mostly rural and less resourceful) in the public health
programs, which given the enormity of the work, will only be possible with
highly innovative approaches leveraging technology.

We believe that information should be the backbone of any large scale
innovation in healthcare delivery in India and are working on defining some
common models that can be deployed widely across a large country like
India. Standards in EHR are very nascent in India and a lot of work needs
to be done in this area.

At this point we are in the process of modelling some simple use cases to
build capability to do more serious stuff as things evolve. One question
that we are trying to answer is whether we should use OpenEHR approach for
demographics or use traditional modelling, since the demographic data model
is fairly stable. Some idea of how others have done this before will help
us as shorten our learning curve.

regards

Dileep V S
*Founder*
HealtheLife Ventures LLP
m: +91 9632888113
a: 103, Innovation Centre, IIIT, Electronics City, Bangalore 560100
w: healthelife.in  e: dil...@healthelife.in

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Erik Sundvall  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Great to hear about your project! Please tell us a bit more if you have
> time, what are the pilot use-cases? (I am curious since we are planning
> some tests in Sweden too...)
>
> It is true that adl 1.4 is currently more used, but for new projects it is
> good to track the ADL 2 development. There are tools to automatically
> convert archetypes between 1.4 and 2.0, so it is possible to set up
> workflows starting from the either the 1.4 or 2.0 end.
>
> The ADL 2 tools are moving forward, so if your modellers will want to use
> web-based tools, then plan for 2.0 fairly soon.
> I hope you have seen :
> - https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/display/dev/Online+
> archetype+and+template+tools
> and
> - https://twitter.com/marandlab/status/826832144672686081
>
> Best regards,
> Erik Sundvall
> Ph.D. Medical Informatics. Information Architect. Tel: +46-72-524 54 55
> (or 010-1036252 in Sweden)
> Region Östergötland: erik.sundv...@regionostergotland.se (previously
> lio.se) http://www.regionostergotland.se/cmit/
> Linköping University: erik.sundv...@liu.se, http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Pieter Bos  wrote:
>
>> The editing tools for adl 2 are still limited. However the template
>> editing by hand is easier in adl 2 than the earlier template xml formats
>> because it's the same adl with a few extra language constructs for
>> templates.
>>
>> And you can convert the ckm to adl 2 quite easily.
>>
>> Pieter Bos
>>
>>
>> Op 12 feb. 2017 om 12:04 heeft Diego Bosc? > e...@gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Hello Dileep,
>>
>> If you stick with ADL 1.4 then you could use LinkEHR Studio (
>> http://linkehr.com) to create templates from other RM such as
>> demographic model. The same tool can be used to import OET and export OPT
>> for any given RM.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> El 12/2/2017 9:44, "Dileep V S"  dil...@healthelife.in>> escribi?:
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are exploring OpenEHR as part of a public health management pilot
>> project in India and have some questions that I am unable to find proper
>> answers.
>>
>> After studying the available libraries, tools and opensource server
>> implementations, ADL 1.4 seems to be more widely supported than the newer
>> ADL 2.0. The shared archetype repository (CKM) still contains only 1.4
>> version archetypes. In light of this, I am assuming that for anybody
>> planning to adopt OpenEHR, it will be advisable to stick to ADL1.4 for now.
>>
>> Further I have learned the following wrt. ADL 1.4 standards
>>
>> File formats for 1.4 version
>>
>>   *   Archetypes  - ADL 1.4
>>   *   Templates - OET
>>   *   Operational template - OPT 1.4
>>
>> Modelling tools - Archetype editor, template

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