Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Thomas Beale]

Currently, OSHCA mostly operates in an e-reality (i.e. this list + email 
etc) and is likely to do so for some time. Therefore it is centralised 
in the sense of a legal entity. Unless anyone wants to do any trading as 
OSHCA locally, I would not think that incorporation anywhere but for the 
"mother ship" is useful...not being incoporated doesn't mean that local 
people can't do things, it just means they can't directly directly 
accept payments to OSHCA (but they can of course use their own 
institutions or companies acting as a "chapter" of OSHCA). Let's keep 
things small and simple to start with please

- thomas beale




 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

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Joseph Dal Molin a écrit :

>Philipe,
>
>It would be fair to say that OSHCA has been "dormant" for the last 
>couple of years and that its public reputation has faded... it is not 
>fair to say that OSHCA has no public reputation at all having been 
>active for 4 years and having organized successful, internationally 
>attended conferences each of those years.
>  
>
Joseph,

I actually didn't stated my point correctly.

Vista is a strongly established organization in the US, and it now wants 
to expand around the world.
IEEE has been a very well known organization for many years.

They both don't have to be "created" by the community around the 
world... on the contrary, they probably fear they could be diluted, were 
local branches to become too strong.

Oshca can be born because local projects exist... then Oshca can help 
these local project become international.
So, my opinion is that Oshca could state more accurately its policy 
regarding local branches... but I wont argue about this any longer if 
nobody shares this feeling.

>IMHO the path to success is to work top down and bottom up at the same
>time. In this regard, it makes sense to start where you are now rather
>than put more things on the critical path...initially the path of least
>resistance for bottom up involvement is to get the buy in,  support and 
>participation of
>active and credible "local projects", individuals and organizations to 
>create critical massI am sure that there
>are many out there that aren't aware of this list or OSHCA. In parallel
>to this put in place the mothership...  which is what going on now, to 
>establish a clear set of standards etc. for implementing chapters and
>growing beyond the "local" project representation into local chapters. A 
>strong
>international organization will make it much easier to take the next 
>step and of establishing
>effective local chapters and ensuring that the OSHCA "brand" and
>principles are consistently applied.that's where having common DNA 
>to start with becomes
>important.
>  
>
I agree.
Do you think that the rules regarding local branches can be postponed?
This means that local branches can't be created "in the move". Why not? 
But when?

What is your feeling about the other points (4.2 and 8)?

And, by the way, can someone explain the point about Trade unions?

Cheers,

Philippe



 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Philippe AMELINE]

Nandalal Gunaratne a écrit :

>   
> This seems a reasonable argument. But which is easier to organise and direct; 
> is easier to move in one direction and easier to get agreement on issues? If 
> we continue to argue about each and every issue, like where  it should be 
> incorporated first, and each local branch want to do things in a different 
> way, will it help or hinder? On the other hand the local branch may take the 
> action that is most suitable for that particular country.
>   
> But the first thing to do is to incorporate it -anywhere! Then let the local 
> branches spread based on a mutualy accepted draft.
>   
> Nandalal
> 
>  
>
Hi Nandalal,

I plainly agree with you.
I don't say that local branches will want to do anything in a different 
way. I just say that local branches may be the flesh on the bones and 
that I think the rules of "syndication" of local branches might be more 
clearly stated in the document.
However, if you think we have to move fast, we can postpone this 
point... but I don't think that it is a wise decision because the 
starting action capacity will come from local branches.

Philippe


 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philipe,

It would be fair to say that OSHCA has been "dormant" for the last 
couple of years and that its public reputation has faded... it is not 
fair to say that OSHCA has no public reputation at all having been 
active for 4 years and having organized successful, internationally 
attended conferences each of those years.

IMHO the path to success is to work top down and bottom up at the same
time. In this regard, it makes sense to start where you are now rather
than put more things on the critical path...initially the path of least
resistance for bottom up involvement is to get the buy in,  support and 
participation of
active and credible "local projects", individuals and organizations to 
create critical massI am sure that there
are many out there that aren't aware of this list or OSHCA. In parallel
to this put in place the mothership...  which is what going on now, to 
establish a clear set of standards etc. for implementing chapters and
growing beyond the "local" project representation into local chapters. A 
strong
international organization will make it much easier to take the next 
step and of establishing
effective local chapters and ensuring that the OSHCA "brand" and
principles are consistently applied.that's where having common DNA 
to start with becomes
important.

Cheers,

Joseph

> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Should we envision Oshca the path to success through a bottom up or top
> down evolution.
> 
> If the mother organization is already well know or strongly established,
> you have better have lightweight branches... just like franchises, as
> you stated.
> In the other case, when it is easier to "think locally" than to address
> the whole world for the first steps, you may have the "main
> organization" work as the head of a confederation.
> 
> My feeling is that, since Oshca has no public reputation yet, it would
> more efficient to work as a locally incorporated branch of an
> international movement. And I really believe that Oshca can only be born
> as the sum of local energy before this entity can act by itself.
> 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Nandalal Gunaratne]

Philippe AMELINE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Hi Joseph,
 
 Should we envision Oshca the path to success through a bottom up or top 
 down evolution.
 
 If the mother organization is already well know or strongly established, 
 you have better have lightweight branches... just like franchises, as 
 you stated.
 In the other case, when it is easier to "think locally" than to address 
 the whole world for the first steps, you may have the "main 
 organization" work as the head of a confederation.
 
 My feeling is that, since Oshca has no public reputation yet, it would 
 more efficient to work as a locally incorporated branch of an 
 international movement. And I really believe that Oshca can only be born 
 as the sum of local energy before this entity can act by itself.
   
 This seems a reasonable argument. But which is easier to organise and direct; 
is easier to move in one direction and easier to get agreement on issues? If we 
continue to argue about each and every issue, like where  it should be 
incorporated first, and each local branch want to do things in a different way, 
will it help or hinder? On the other hand the local branch may take the action 
that is most suitable for that particular country.
   
 But the first thing to do is to incorporate it -anywhere! Then let the local 
branches spread based on a mutualy accepted draft.
   
 Nandalal
 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Philippe AMELINE]

Joseph Dal Molin a écrit :

>Philippe AMELINE wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi to all,
>>
>>The overall feeling is very good.
>>
>>Some comments "anyway":
>>
>>3.1: Chapters and country branchs
>>I think this point should be made more accurate. It is eventually a very
>>important one, since local lobbying is of major interest.
>>Have local branchs to be non profit organizations?
>>Are local branchs members plain members of the main Oshca? Do they pay a
>>plain fee to main Oshca, or do the local branch keep some part of this fee?
>>I believe that this chapter must be properly elaborated.
>>
>>
>
>WorldVistA spent quite a bit of time thinking about this issue as we 
>have had requests to form "branches" from several countries in the past 
>year or so. One model that we really liked is the IEEE approach of 
>establishing "chapters" which do not require local incorporation if my 
>memory serves me well. My advice is to focus over the next year on 
>getting the "mother ship" in order and working effectivelythat will 
>establish the processes, experience etc. for determining how to best 
>distribute representation. This process is very similar to creating a 
>franchise based businessyou first develop a successful reference 
>implementation to define all the characteristics of the DNA of the 
>organization, then develop the franchising strategy to ensure that the 
>DNA stays intact as you distribute the organization.
>
>Joseph
>  
>
Hi Joseph,

Should we envision Oshca the path to success through a bottom up or top 
down evolution.

If the mother organization is already well know or strongly established, 
you have better have lightweight branches... just like franchises, as 
you stated.
In the other case, when it is easier to "think locally" than to address 
the whole world for the first steps, you may have the "main 
organization" work as the head of a confederation.

My feeling is that, since Oshca has no public reputation yet, it would 
more efficient to work as a locally incorporated branch of an 
international movement. And I really believe that Oshca can only be born 
as the sum of local energy before this entity can act by itself.

Philippe


 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> The overall feeling is very good.
> 
> Some comments "anyway":
> 
> 3.1: Chapters and country branchs
> I think this point should be made more accurate. It is eventually a very
> important one, since local lobbying is of major interest.
> Have local branchs to be non profit organizations?
> Are local branchs members plain members of the main Oshca? Do they pay a
> plain fee to main Oshca, or do the local branch keep some part of this fee?
> I believe that this chapter must be properly elaborated.

WorldVistA spent quite a bit of time thinking about this issue as we 
have had requests to form "branches" from several countries in the past 
year or so. One model that we really liked is the IEEE approach of 
establishing "chapters" which do not require local incorporation if my 
memory serves me well. My advice is to focus over the next year on 
getting the "mother ship" in order and working effectivelythat will 
establish the processes, experience etc. for determining how to best 
distribute representation. This process is very similar to creating a 
franchise based businessyou first develop a successful reference 
implementation to define all the characteristics of the DNA of the 
organization, then develop the franchising strategy to ensure that the 
DNA stays intact as you distribute the organization.

Joseph


 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Philippe AMELINE]

Hi to all,

The overall feeling is very good.

Some comments "anyway":

3.1: Chapters and country branchs
I think this point should be made more accurate. It is eventually a very 
important one, since local lobbying is of major interest.
Have local branchs to be non profit organizations?
Are local branchs members plain members of the main Oshca? Do they pay a 
plain fee to main Oshca, or do the local branch keep some part of this fee?
I believe that this chapter must be properly elaborated.

4.2 Missions
My feeling is that point 4.2.6 "Enables collaboration of members..." 
should be the first or second point in the list.
Details : 4.2.2 "Provide..." with no "s" while other points have a "s" 
(Makes, Provides, Participates...)

To be more accurate on my feelings here: I believe that any valuable 
association must be a think tank, where members find pleasure to meet 
each other and learn from each other, before it can be a lobbying actor. 
To make it short: build the group before acting as a group.

Article 8: General Meeting

There is no indication on the place where the General Meeting occurs. 
Couldn't it be stated that the General Meeting should occur in the place 
where the Annual conference is held.
I write this because point 8.3 gives a calendar that doesn't allow this 
usual practice.

That's all for today... I return to my games of "Roulette, Lotto, Fan 
Tan, Poh, Peh Bin, Belankai, Pai Kau, Tau Ngau, Tien Ngau, Tien Kow, 
Chap Ji Kee, Sam Cheong, Twenty One, Thirty One, Ten and a half" before 
they are officially outlawed for genuine open sourcers ;-)

Cheers,

Philippe


Molly Cheah a écrit :

>Hi,
>
>I have uploaded the OSHCA-registration_v1draft4 in pdf format for 
>discussion on its contents. Please feel free to comment on any articles 
>in the constitution. For ease of documentation, please quote the article 
>number before giving your comments or proposals here.
>
>Please also suggest how dissent should be handled. We hope to include 
>your proposals into the draft document, unless there are dissenting  
>views in which case either the protem will decide or there would be a 
>vote. However, please note that the constitution is a living document 
>and amendments can also be  made later.
>
>Please also note that there are some provisions that will be specific in 
>Malaysia such as Article 16 and Malaysian citizens such as Article 16.4. 
>I have yet to include provisions that would be needed to obtain a tax 
>free status for OSHCA. The only requirement I've included in so far is 
>that of Article 11.2.
>
>We hope to have this process completed at the end of a 7-day period. By 
>then, I would put up the agreed resolutions for acceptance by the 
>"members" which would form part of the documentations that would be 
>submitted formally to the Registrar of Societies for registration. Below 
>is a sample resolution for the formation of OSHCA. If you would like to 
>add other resolutions please suggest on this list as well.
>
>  
>
>>_Formation of an Organisation_
>>
>>It was resolved that:-
>>
>>1.1. This protem Committee form Open Source Health Care Alliance in 
>>accordance with the Societies Act 1966, and the Societies Regulations 
>>1984, and all subsequent amendments:-
>>
>>Moved by :
>>
>>Seconded by :
>>
>>Passed : Unanimously
>>
>>It was resolved that:-
>>
>>1.2. The above organisation be called Open Source Health Care Alliance
>>
>>Moved by:
>>
>>Seconded by:
>>
>>Passed : Unanimously
>>
>>It was resolved that:-
>>
>>1.3. The address of this organisation be:
>>
>>Moved by:
>>
>>Seconded by:
>>
>>Passed : Unanimously
>>
>>_Election of Office Bearers_
>>
>>The following volunteers were received for Protem Office Bearers of 
>>the organisation:-
>>
>>*President :
>>
>>*Deputy President :
>>
>>*Secretary and Deputy Secretary :
>>
>>*Treasurer :
>>
>>*Committee Members :
>>
>>:
>>
>>:
>>
>>:
>>
>>:
>>
>>:
>>
>>:
>>
>>In the absence of any opposition to the above positions,
>>
>>It was resolved that:-
>>
>>1.4. The above persons be duly elected protem Office Bearers of the 
>>Open Source Health Care Alliance
>>
>>Moved by:
>>
>>Seconded by:
>>
>>Passed : Unanimously
>>
>>_Constitution_
>>
>>A draft constitution, based on the "Model Society Constitution" 
>>supplied by the Office of the Registrar of Societies, was tabled by 
>>the protem committee for discussion and adoption.
>>
>>It was resolved that:-
>>
>>1.5. The Constitution, as discussed and amended (and attached to these 
>>minutes), be written out in full for signing by two Office Bearers for 
>>submission to the Registrar of Societies, and a meeting of potential 
>>members on a date to be decided.
>>
>>Moved by :
>>
>>Seconded by:
>>
>>Passed : Unanimously.
>>
>>_Registration of the Organisation_
>>
>>It was resolved that:-
>>
>>1.6. The protem President proceed with the completion of the 
>>registration forms to ensure a temporary registration as soon as possible.
>>
>>Moved by :
>>
>>Seconded by:
>>
>>Passed : Unanimously
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Molly Cheah]

Hi,

I have uploaded the OSHCA-registration_v1draft4 in pdf format for 
discussion on its contents. Please feel free to comment on any articles 
in the constitution. For ease of documentation, please quote the article 
number before giving your comments or proposals here.

Please also suggest how dissent should be handled. We hope to include 
your proposals into the draft document, unless there are dissenting  
views in which case either the protem will decide or there would be a 
vote. However, please note that the constitution is a living document 
and amendments can also be  made later.

Please also note that there are some provisions that will be specific in 
Malaysia such as Article 16 and Malaysian citizens such as Article 16.4. 
I have yet to include provisions that would be needed to obtain a tax 
free status for OSHCA. The only requirement I've included in so far is 
that of Article 11.2.

We hope to have this process completed at the end of a 7-day period. By 
then, I would put up the agreed resolutions for acceptance by the 
"members" which would form part of the documentations that would be 
submitted formally to the Registrar of Societies for registration. Below 
is a sample resolution for the formation of OSHCA. If you would like to 
add other resolutions please suggest on this list as well.

> _Formation of an Organisation_
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.1. This protem Committee form Open Source Health Care Alliance in 
> accordance with the Societies Act 1966, and the Societies Regulations 
> 1984, and all subsequent amendments:-
>
> Moved by :
>
> Seconded by :
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.2. The above organisation be called Open Source Health Care Alliance
>
> Moved by:
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.3. The address of this organisation be:
>
> Moved by:
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> _Election of Office Bearers_
>
> The following volunteers were received for Protem Office Bearers of 
> the organisation:-
>
> *President :
>
> *Deputy President :
>
> *Secretary and Deputy Secretary :
>
> *Treasurer :
>
> *Committee Members :
>
> :
>
> :
>
> :
>
> :
>
> :
>
> :
>
> In the absence of any opposition to the above positions,
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.4. The above persons be duly elected protem Office Bearers of the 
> Open Source Health Care Alliance
>
> Moved by:
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>
> _Constitution_
>
> A draft constitution, based on the "Model Society Constitution" 
> supplied by the Office of the Registrar of Societies, was tabled by 
> the protem committee for discussion and adoption.
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.5. The Constitution, as discussed and amended (and attached to these 
> minutes), be written out in full for signing by two Office Bearers for 
> submission to the Registrar of Societies, and a meeting of potential 
> members on a date to be decided.
>
> Moved by :
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously.
>
> _Registration of the Organisation_
>
> It was resolved that:-
>
> 1.6. The protem President proceed with the completion of the 
> registration forms to ensure a temporary registration as soon as possible.
>
> Moved by :
>
> Seconded by:
>
> Passed : Unanimously
>


One major question I have is: Should only those who participate in the 
resolution to accept the constitution be accepted as initial members of 
OSHCA and what are the members information we need to have in the 
membership register?

Target date for submission is now 20 April 2006

Rgds,
Molly


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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Molly Cheah]

Hi everyone,

In case anyone gets confused about Nandalal's references to the 
specificities of the draft constitution, I apologise that I was not able 
to upload the document to the list yet. I was waiting for further 
comments from the protem committee before making the document the final 
draft.

I'll be able to do this before the week-end.

Molly
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:

>Constitution of the Open Source Health Care Alliance   
>   Hi Molly,
> 
> A few questions/suggestions.
> 
>  
>



 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Nandalal Gunaratne]

Constitution of the Open Source Health Care Alliance
 Hi Molly,
 
 A few questions/suggestions.
 
 9.3 -  Names for the above offices in Article 9.1 shall be proposed and 
seconded  and election will be by a simple majority vote of the members at the 
annual  general meeting on alternate years. All the office-bearers shall serve 
for two  years and be eligible for re-election.
 
 
 How many times can any one of the office bearers be re-elected? Should there 
be a restriction?
 
 
 10.6 -  The Ordinary Committee Members shall carry out such duty as directed 
by  the President or the Committee.
 
 "under the guidance and approval of the President and Committee"?
 
 
 Constitution of the Open Source Health Care Alliance   
 11.2 -  Subject to the following provisions in this rules, the funds of OSHCA 
may be  expended for the purpose necessary for the carrying out of its objects, 
and to  spend  at the end of the financial year approximately seventy percent 
(70%)  from the income and donation received.Expenditures may include the  
expenses of its office-bearers and paid staff, and the audit of its accounts,  
but they shall on no account be used to pay the fine of any member who may  be 
convicted in a court of law. 
 
 Is it compulsary that we spend 70% or is that the maximum allowed?
 
 
 Constitution of the Open Source Health Care Alliance   
 16.4 -  No University/College student can be allowed to be a member of OSHCA  
without the prior written approval from the Vice Chancellor of the University  
concerned. This clause shall only be applicable in Malaysia and any other  
country that has a similar restriction. 
 
 
 Membership for University/College students may need the prior written approval 
of the Head of the University concerned. This applies in Malaysia and any other 
country where such rules and restrictions apply.
 
 
 
 
 
 NandA
 
 Constitution of the Open Source Health Care Alliance   
  
  

Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Since the list has become unduly 
quiet, I'm taking this opportunity to 
 provide a short update on the OSHCA registration.
 
 The registration document is at version1 draft 3, sent out to the Protem 
 Committee yesterday. I think we are quite close to the final draft, 
 which will be uploaded to the list for comments and discussions, 
 hopefully by tomorrow but for a limited period of time, possibly 7 days. 
 I would also need to submit a list of resolutions for adoption, 
 essentially to say that we all agree to the registration of OSHCA and 
 adopting the constitution.
 
 I had been to see the Registrar of Societies and obtained the necessary 
 forms that was used as sample to develop the registration 
 constitution/document. I had also spoken to GKP which used the 
 incorporation method for their organisation - company limited by 
 guarantee with a non-profit status. As a company is more costly to 
 maintain, preliminary view of some protem committee members feel that we 
 register under the Societies Act.
 
 We will then provide a list of items for discussions (as guidelines) but 
 you're welcomed to comment on any item, except for those which 
 constitute minimal requirements for registration in Malaysia. Issues to 
 think about are:
 types of membership
 membership info
 membership dues
 OSHCA chapters/country branches
 office-bearers - how many, length of term etc.
 
 Rgds,
 Molly
 
  
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