Re: Street photography - religious objections

[David Mann]

On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Cotty wrote:

> This is true:
>
>  TheHungarianPhrasebookSketch>
>
> My nipples explode with delight.

One of my favourite ever sketches is "Swedish Made Simple" by The Two  
Ronnies.
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/cello/swedish.htm

I'm also highly fond of the Army Protection Racket sketch (that's a  
Monty Python one).

- Dave



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Re: PESO: SMC-FA 2.0 24mm AL IF

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> More willing to use lots of unsharp mask?

To me sharpening just exacerbates the CA and the unsharp edges still stay mushy.

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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[David Mann]

On Sep 26, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> While the sensor is sensitive to luminosity only, there is a colour
> filter with the bayesian pattern (a two line pattern, with the top  
> line
> being an alternating Red and Green and the bottom being Blue and  
> Green).
> This effectively makes it a colour sensor unless the bayesian  
> filter is
> removed (Which would destroy the sensor on many modern designs).

I think you mean Bayer filter, unless digital cameras now refuse to  
photograph spam and porn (what a cruel world that would be)...

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Re: From out of the shadows... possible PDML meetings?

[Peter Loveday]

Hey Cesar.

I'm in Adelaide; though I'm going to be in Toronto up till Oct 17th.  Should 
be around after that though.  Are you going to bring any 'skinned' LXen / 
*istD with you? :)

There was another PDML'er here, though I've not heard from him in a while. 
Robert 'Mapson' (was this his actual name, or just email? not sure). You 
could try contacting him if you like.

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~geminiphoto/contact.html

Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday


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Re: Enablement, again :)

[Vid Strpic]

Rick Womer wrote:
> Hmmm How much longer will your tag line say "Shoot
> more film!"???

Sincerely, I will shoot film still :)  But, now the price point comes
in, and I will not use it just everytime.  Some fewer rolls a month, and
that's all - I still love the ZX-5n that I have :)))  And other bodies,
I will not tell - now :)

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Re: Enablement, again :)

[Vid Strpic]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 9/25/06, Vid Strpic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My K100D arrived today :)  Will play with it some more when there's more
>> light - it's night here now :(
> You obviously don't know how to have fun at night.  ;)  My wife's
> K100D arrived on Friday.  I've been outside with it for the last hour.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/PDMLPESO/photo#4978870170851409938

I do, but not the first time with a camera and especially not when so
tired like last night.  Today is a new day :)  It was a wonderful rosy
morning with a few clouds.  We will see :)


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Re: Street photography - religious objections (now National Geographic)

[Douglas Newman]

--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you look at their history you wouldn't be
> surprised.

Well, it was founded by rich businessmen, so in the
past it wouldn't have been surprising. (Or do you mean
something else?)

I'm more surprised that it's apparently still the case
today. A lot of conservative Republicans wouldn't like
some of the stuff published in National Geographic's
publications...

New Doug

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Re: Mini PDML LONDON

[Cesar Matamoros II]

Godfrey,

Make the effort, I had a wonderful time meeting John.

César
Panama City, Florida

John Forbes wrote:
> My trip is later than yours.  I'll be there from 12-17 October.  If you're  
> around London between 8 and 11 Oct we could aim for a miniscule PDML beer  
> evening one night.  Or whisky.  Or whatever.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:14:59 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>   
>> I'll be there...
>>
>> John, I'll be on the IOM from the 27th to about the 5-7 Oct.
>> If you're available, let's get together there. :-)
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2006, at 11:20 AM, John Forbes wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Damn, I'm going to be in the IOM.
>>>
>>> Shame.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:20:38 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Just a heads up - looks like a mini PDML get together in London
 (UK) on
 Sunday October 15th.

 Time: TBA
 Location: TBA
 Occasion: Godfrey's UK Tour

 Names here please

 1. Cotty
 
>> 
>
>
>
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Re: Mini PDML LONDON

[Cesar Matamoros II]

I would love to be there to finally meet Godfrey, but I shall be in 
Australia ;-P

César
Panama City, Florida

Cotty wrote:
> Just a heads up - looks like a mini PDML get together in London (UK) on
> Sunday October 15th.
>
> Time: TBA
> Location: TBA
> Occasion: Godfrey's UK Tour
>
> Names here please
>
> 1. Cotty
>
>
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Shel Belinkoff]

I'm pretty sure it has a slimming filter. I know it has sepia and B&W and
something to do with with color replacement or adjustment.  But those are
just my ideas of silly filters.  Others may think them worthwhile, of
course.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

> Can't think of anything silly or useless in the K10D, but I'll be  
> able to judge better when I have one to work with.



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From out of the shadows... possible PDML meetings?

[Cesar Matamoros II]

Greetings from sunny Florida!

There has been quite a bit going on in my life, thus my silence on the 
list.  I have tried to keep up, but mostly I have been deleting 
speculative threads :-)

My position here is ending on Saturday.  I will be based out of 
Baltimore (DCPDML and NYPDML possible) until the summer hopefully.
I am taking advantage of accumulated time off and am headed to Australia 
on 1 October.  I will be returning to the USA on the 28th.  I will be 
based out of Adelaide.
 From the 12th through the 19th I will be aboard a live-aboard diving 
the Great Barrier Reef!  Of course I will be shooting a couple of 
Nikonos V under water.

My schedule is not set in concrete for the moment other than the above.

Are there any PDMLers in the area?  At the moment I am thinking about 
heading to Melbourne at some point...

I will be taking four LXen and possibly two *ist D cameras.  It all 
depends on what fits in my camera bag.  From there it is all prime 
lenses for this trip.
For the moment I am thinking about the 20/4, 31/1.8, 35/2, 43/2.8, 
50/1.2, 77/1.8, and 100/2.8.
The 100/2.8 and 35/2 may stay behind depending on space; I have to make 
space for my flash.

Silent, but observant,

César
Panama City, Florida

P.S.  I may be able to make TV's wedding when heading up to Baltimore - 
woohoo!

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Re: From out of the shadows... possible PDML meetings?

[David Savage]

Greetings from slightly overcast Fremantle.

If you happen to make it to the west coast let me know.

Dave

At 01:11 PM 26/09/2006, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
>Greetings from sunny Florida!
>
>There has been quite a bit going on in my life, thus my silence on the
>list.  I have tried to keep up, but mostly I have been deleting
>speculative threads :-)
>
>My position here is ending on Saturday.  I will be based out of
>Baltimore (DCPDML and NYPDML possible) until the summer hopefully.
>I am taking advantage of accumulated time off and am headed to Australia
>on 1 October.  I will be returning to the USA on the 28th.  I will be
>based out of Adelaide.
>  From the 12th through the 19th I will be aboard a live-aboard diving
>the Great Barrier Reef!  Of course I will be shooting a couple of
>Nikonos V under water.
>
>My schedule is not set in concrete for the moment other than the above.
>
>Are there any PDMLers in the area?  At the moment I am thinking about
>heading to Melbourne at some point...
>
>I will be taking four LXen and possibly two *ist D cameras.  It all
>depends on what fits in my camera bag.  From there it is all prime
>lenses for this trip.
>For the moment I am thinking about the 20/4, 31/1.8, 35/2, 43/2.8,
>50/1.2, 77/1.8, and 100/2.8.
>The 100/2.8 and 35/2 may stay behind depending on space; I have to make
>space for my flash.
>
>Silent, but observant,
>
>César
>Panama City, Florida
>
>P.S.  I may be able to make TV's wedding when heading up to Baltimore -


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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I'd go along with any of those things, really.  I'm kind of  
> ignorant of the
> tech stuff that goes on behind the lens and in the soft/firm ware.
> However, I always thought the sensor captured stuff in B&W and the
> converted it to color.

The photosites only record intensity, but each photosite is fitted  
with an R, G or B filter. So the sensor is captures 6 million pixels  
of intensity data divided between R, G and B channels. The spatial  
resolution is the number of pixels, the chroma resolution is the  
interpolation of RGB values over the matrix of pixels.

> On the DS I've only used AV, TV, and Manual.

I've used P as well, occasionally.

> although, iirc, there's some silly and useless stuff in the K10D.

Can't think of anything silly or useless in the K10D, but I'll be  
able to judge better when I have one to work with.

Godfrey

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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[Shel Belinkoff]

 I know about EXIF info.  I want/need the date imprinted on the
image.  If the DS can't do that, I'll use my P&S.  Was hoping not to have
to carry around two cameras for ten days just to make six or seven snaps. 
Thanks.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Adam Maas 

> > I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on
> >  images made with the DS.  Is that even possible?  
> >  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are 
> > about seven snaps I need to make over the next 
> > week - 10 days where it would be very handy to
> >  have that feature.

> Provided the date is set correctly on the camera, the EXIF info contains 
> that already. The DS will not imprint on the visible image though.



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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[Shel Belinkoff]

I _KNOW_ the time and date is in the EXIF data.  I need the time/date
stamped on the picture.  I will use my P&S for the six or seven snaps I
need.  Thanks 4 ur suggestion.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb 


> - Original Message - 
> From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> Subject: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics
>
>
> >I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on 
> > images made with the DS. Is that even possible?  


> The time and date are available in the EXIF data.
> I suspect that you will need to use that information 
> and the text tool  in Photoshop to do it.



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Re: CompatFlash v4.0

[Thibouille]

;)
I know SD has good reasons to be used and considering the current
prices, that's OK.
I just wish SD(HC) would be have been compatible than it is.

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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Shel Belinkoff]

Absolutely ...

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb 
- 
> From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> Subject: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features
>
>
> > This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what 
> > feature I'd
> > like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR that can take good B&W
> > photos, possibly taking a clue from some of the good B&W conversion
> > software that's out there and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa 
> > 100
> > mode, and Ilford mode, etc.
>
> Would that be a Tri-X mode in D-76 straight, or 1:1?
> Normal processing or longer?
> Or shorter?
> What temperature should they emulate?
> And to you think it will offer better shadow detail?



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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[Paul Sorenson]

The DPOF function should give you the option of inserting the date on a 
print.  If it's just for web publishing, both BreeseBrowser and Porta 
have the option of inserting the date as a watermark.

-P

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS.  Is
> that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are about
> seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would be
> very handy to have that feature.
> 
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Kenneth Waller]

Now lets include some sex, religion, politics & animal cruelty to really 
make it complete.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections


> Hey, we have a gun thread!! Batten down the hatches. Hide the women
> and children.
> Paul
> On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:36 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> Cotty wrote:
>>> On 25/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 I've fired a S&W .40, didn't like it, prefer the .45ACP in a 1911
 (More
 managable recoil). If I was going to carry, it would be a 1911
 (but I
 can't, despite the fact that Canadian Gun Law technically permits
 CCW,
 the permits simply don't get issued. Luckily even my somewhat
 dangerous
 neighbourhood, by Toronto standards, isn't bad enough that I feel
 the
 need to go armed).
>>>
>>> I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
>>> from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
>>> myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
>>> like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
>>> need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.
>>>
>>
>> I've an abiding distast of government officials and actively dislike
>> relying on them for anything, especially protection. Especially since
>> the local PD is famed for doing a better job of framing innocent
>> shopkeepers as drug dealers than actually catching anyone who's
>> committed a crime. While I appreciate the job the Police actually do
>> (And the problem with the Toronto PD is primarily at the
>> administration
>> and City Council levels), the job they do is to catch criminals, not
>> protect innocents. The latter occurs to the extent it does simply via
>> deterrence and getting criminals off the streets (Although with teh
>> Canadian Criminal Justice system, too often the ones who stay behind
>> bars have proved innocent, while the truly guilty tend to get out
>> relatively quick).
>>
>> -Adam
>> Who strongly believes in the Right to Self Defence. Even armed Self
>> Defence.
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Re: PESO - Fog

[Kenneth Waller]

Certainly a different take on an oft photographed scene.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - Fog


>I thought it interesting to see the fog blowing into the bay.  The
> Golden Gate Bridge is partially shrouded but you can still see out in
> the bay, some sun that hasn't been obscured yet.
> 
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
> ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3439.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
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Re: PESO - Fog

[Joseph Tainter]

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3439.htm

-

Nice, Bruce. Reminds me of growing up there. So many times I've seen 
that. Thanks.

Joe

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Joseph Tainter]

What's an "event?"  How much time can this feature save?  What does that
translate to in $$?

Shel

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Relax, Shel. I think it's just a roll of black tape.

Joe

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Re: CompatFlash v4.0

[Joseph Tainter]

In short, CF will be UDMA133 compatible and yes you'be able to use new
cards in old cameras like D. When I said CF was a better standard than
SD(HC) well... here's the proof (maybe... I wish ;)

-

With a world-class effort, I restrain myself from commenting.

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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[Juan Buhler]

Hi Shel,

A quick google search turned out this:

http://jdatestamp.sourceforge.net/

It's a command line tool (you run it from a DOS shell) that will do
what you want.

Hope it helps,

j

On 9/25/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS.  Is
> that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are about
> seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would be
> very handy to have that feature.
>
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>
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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[George Sinos]

Shel -

It may be worth checking the manual for the details of the  DPOF
function in the camera.  I'm not sure if it's practical or a solution
to your problem.

GS


On 9/25/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS.  Is
> that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are about
> seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would be
> very handy to have that feature.
>
>
> Shel
>
>
>
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Re: Enablement, again :)

[Scott Loveless]

On 9/25/06, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmmm How much longer will your tag line say "Shoot
> more film!"???
>

Good question.  I dunno.  I swore last year, just after purchasing the
750z, that I had no further need for color print film.  Over the past
few months I've shot at least a dozen rolls of Fuji Press 800 or
Superia 800.  This morning after Christie went to work, and left her
precious K100D at home, I headed out the door with..wait for
it...the PZ-1 and some Kodachrome.  The darkroom (dimroom, I'm
afraid) is currently being pieced together in the basement.  I still
hate the scanner.

I am going to try duplicating slides with the K100D.  And lens tests
are starting to sound fun!  So it has it's uses.  Now only if it were
weather resistant...

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Re: OT: Mmm. Tastes like...

[P. J. Alling]

I'm sure you can. 

Adam Maas wrote:

>That depends on where you go.
>
>-Adam
>Toronto has quite the nice Chinatown. And authentic food is available.
>
>
>P. J. Alling wrote:
>  
>
>>There's a reason that Chinese food in the US doesn't much resemble 
>>traditional Chinese fare.
>>
>>Bob W wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Not for the squeamish!
>>>
>>>Here's a taster:
>>>"Government officials," says Nancy. "Two of them upstairs. They're
>>>having the penis hotpot." 
>>>
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/53715
>>>00.stm
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>


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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[P. J. Alling]

If you look at their history you wouldn't be surprised.

Bob Shell wrote:

>On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I do not mean to imply that .40 is extreme, but this is the same guy
>>that gets angry every time he sees a National Geographic because he is
>>under the impression that NGS gives lot 'o' money towards gun control.
>> I do not know if he is correct or not, but I do not care enough to
>>cancel my free subscription (it was a gift).
>>
>>
>
>Who says National Geographic is for gun control!!??  Not so. I've  
>worked on six books for them.  The first time I went into their  
>offices in DC the editor I was working with said to me, "I don't care  
>how you feel personally, but inside this building if anyone asks,  
>you're a Republican."  I'm glad he warned me. It's a Republican  
>stronghold there.  Charlton Heston would be right at home.
>
>Bob
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[P. J. Alling]

Add an electric motor and you won't even wear out your arm.

Bob Shell wrote:

>On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Of course I've *tried* to carry a concealed cannon but it turned out
>>to be too heavy for me (plus it takes forever for me to reload).  But
>>since I already had bought the trench coat, I went ahead an got my
>>concealed crossbow license... I just tell people that I have big hips.
>>
>>
>
>I solved the canon problem (too slow to reload) by getting a Gattling  
>gun instead.  Just crank that SOB and shoot away.
>
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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[P. J. Alling]

I think you'll have to take the EXIF data manually and do in Photoshop.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

>I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS.  Is
>that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are about
>seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would be
>very handy to have that feature.
>
>
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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[John Celio]

> Ditto.  Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed.
> Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?  I think some other cameras have
> this as well.

Nikon had (has?) something similar in their cameras that uses facial 
recognition software to fix red eyes.  My shop doesn't carry Nikon P&S 
cameras any more, but we loved that feature when we had them.  We sold a ton 
of 'em just on that feature alone.

For people who just want a camera that "takes good pictures" without much 
effort, facial recognition features are a good thing.  You may not need it, 
but there are lots of people who do.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Adam Maas]

Bob Shell wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 
>> I can only answer for my part of the world:
>>
>> The right to express myself in my own way, the right to read what I  
>> want,
>> the right to listen to the music I want to, the right to live with my
>> beloved, the right to decide how I look, the right to have a beer,  
>> etc.
>> In short, the right to be me.
>>
>> Happily the Christian fundamentalists down rule here.
>>
>> I think there are fundamentalists all over the world, in any religion.
>> Perhaps Bahai is the one exception the confirms this rule.
> 
> 
> How many Buddhist extremists have you run into, Tim?
> 
> Bob

The only ones I'm aware of burned themselves to death over the Vietnam 
War. While that's a heck of a lot less dangerous than some forms of 
extremism, it certainly does qualify.

-Adam
Who is aware that that is a quite rare occurance.

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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Adam Maas]

While the sensor is sensitive to luminosity only, there is a colour 
filter with the bayesian pattern (a two line pattern, with the top line 
being an alternating Red and Green and the bottom being Blue and Green). 
This effectively makes it a colour sensor unless the bayesian filter is 
removed (Which would destroy the sensor on many modern designs).

-Adam


Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I'd go along with any of those things, really.  I'm kind of ignorant of the
> tech stuff that goes on behind the lens and in the soft/firm ware. 
> However, I always thought the sensor captured stuff in B&W and the
> converted it to color.  I was saying to Bruce the other night that if the
> camera software got rid of a lot of these silly things, there'd be more
> room for more serious functions and features.  On the DS I've only used AV,
> TV, and Manual.  Of course, the littele pics that are on the DS are not on
> the D, so it's not as though Pentax hasn't offered a more "serious" camera,
> although, iirc, there's some silly and useless stuff in the K10D.  Well, I
> suppose it's needed to sell cameras.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
> 
>> I have to agree with Paul on this one, Shel.
>>
>> Monochrome is a rendering process when the sensor is capable of color  
>> capture. It's only in the case where you have a limited sensor that  
>> only records intensity information based on a spectral sensitivity  
>> built into the sensor ... aka B&W film ... that it is anything else.
>>
>> Instead of dumb features like Face Recognition and nonsensical things  
>> like "slimming filters", I'd like to more and better focusing screen  
>> options, multipoint manual metering ala the Olympus OM-4, an  
>> expansion of the highlight saturation blinkies to indicate over and  
>> underexposure areas spatially rather than in a histogram display, a  
>> camera with an interchangeable head for waist level and high  
>> magnification finder options, and a compact, fast 28mm lens ... ;-)
>>
>> A set of extension tubes that supported the KA mount's electronic  
>> contacts would also be good.
> 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[P. J. Alling]

I was hoping no one would notice.  The last one left me with a very bad 
taste in my mouth. 

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Hey, we have a gun thread!! Batten down the hatches. Hide the women  
>and children.
>Paul
>On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:36 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Cotty wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 25/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I've fired a S&W .40, didn't like it, prefer the .45ACP in a 1911  
(More
managable recoil). If I was going to carry, it would be a 1911  
(but I
can't, despite the fact that Canadian Gun Law technically permits  
CCW,
the permits simply don't get issued. Luckily even my somewhat  
dangerous
neighbourhood, by Toronto standards, isn't bad enough that I feel  
the
need to go armed).


>>>I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
>>>from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
>>>myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
>>>like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
>>>need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>I've an abiding distast of government officials and actively dislike
>>relying on them for anything, especially protection. Especially since
>>the local PD is famed for doing a better job of framing innocent
>>shopkeepers as drug dealers than actually catching anyone who's
>>committed a crime. While I appreciate the job the Police actually do
>>(And the problem with the Toronto PD is primarily at the  
>>administration
>>and City Council levels), the job they do is to catch criminals, not
>>protect innocents. The latter occurs to the extent it does simply via
>>deterrence and getting criminals off the streets (Although with teh
>>Canadian Criminal Justice system, too often the ones who stay behind
>>bars have proved innocent, while the truly guilty tend to get out
>>relatively quick).
>>
>>-Adam
>>Who strongly believes in the Right to Self Defence. Even armed Self  
>>Defence.
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Re: OT: Mmm. Tastes like...

[Adam Maas]

That depends on where you go.

-Adam
Toronto has quite the nice Chinatown. And authentic food is available.


P. J. Alling wrote:
> There's a reason that Chinese food in the US doesn't much resemble 
> traditional Chinese fare.
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
>> Not for the squeamish!
>>
>> Here's a taster:
>> "Government officials," says Nancy. "Two of them upstairs. They're
>> having the penis hotpot." 
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/53715
>> 00.stm
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Rick Womer]

Yes.

Also, an infrared focus aid light (I loathe the
stroboscopic flash for that!).

I'd also like to see a viewfinder indication of the
metering mode.  I'm tired of finding myself in
evaluative mode when I thought I was spot metering.

Rick

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking
> about what feature I'd
> like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR that
> can take good B&W
> photos, possibly taking a clue from some of the good
> B&W conversion
> software that's out there and offer something like
> Tri-X mode, Agfa 100
> mode, and Ilford mode, etc.
> 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[P. J. Alling]

If you believe the James Bond movies, you could substitute a spear gun 
and forgo the wide hippiness

Russell Kerstetter wrote:

>On 9/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
>>from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
>>myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
>>like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
>>need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.
>>
>>
>
>Of course I've *tried* to carry a concealed cannon but it turned out
>to be too heavy for me (plus it takes forever for me to reload).  But
>since I already had bought the trench coat, I went ahead an got my
>concealed crossbow license... I just tell people that I have big hips.
>
>(with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek :)
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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Shell"
Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji



>
> Event:  wedding, bar mitzvah, office party, special office seminar,
> dance, beauty pageant, and the list goes on and on. I have friends
> who shoot these regularly for good money. If they could push one
> button and see they got the shot they would have peace of mind.
> Particularly in dark venues, pushing one button is much faster and
> easier than multiple pushing, wheel spinning, whatever.  I'm sure
> these were the people Fuji was thinking of when they added this.
> Fuji has very good market penetration among event shooters.

I shot a wedding just over a month ago. It would have been nice on 
several occassions to be able to have an instant look at the brides face 
to see if I had a nice picture when doing some of the portriats, during 
the dance with her new husband and especially when dancing with her 
father, who appeared to be in an advanced stage of failing health.

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Re: DA 18-55

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Re: DA 18-55



> I've found that on digital the FAJ 18-35 is not bad at all, if not
> very good. Also, at least to my taste the difference between 18 mm and
> 20 mm on wide is meaningful. So, at least I would suggest to try the
> FAJ 18-35 option as well.
>
> I've 2/3 through the test film which I shot with FAJ 18-35 past
> weekend... I'll be sure to report my findings when I finish the roll
> and have it processed.

I was pleasantly surprised by the 18-35. It's a pretty decent little 
optic within it's own limitation of being a bit on the slow side.
I tried it on film, and I recall it would cover the full frame, albeit 
with softness at the edges.

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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics


>I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS. 
>Is
> that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are 
> about
> seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would 
> be
> very handy to have that feature.

The time and date are available in the EXIF data.
I suspect that you will need to use that information and the text tool 
in Photoshop to do it.

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Re: Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[Adam Maas]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS.  Is
> that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are about
> seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would be
> very handy to have that feature.
> 
> 
> Shel
> 

Provided the date is set correctly on the camera, the EXIF info contains 
that already. The DS will not imprint on the visible image though.

The file creation date should also have that info.

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Re: OT: Mmm. Tastes like...

[William Robb]

> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:24:25 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:

 Try it. Just put a bit in your mouth. You don't have
>> to swallow. And anyway, it's good for you. It's full of protein.
>

Sounds like a Bill Clinton sound bite
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections




> The idea that people would be safer if they were allowed to carry a 
> gun in
> the event they needed to defend them self is bullshit IMHO.

There was a bit of a news story a while back that is, perhaps, an 
interesting commentary on this.
Apparently, the state of Florida enacted some sort of law that allowed a 
person to use deadly force with a firearm to defend themselves.

A lot of Canadians spend time in Florida in the winter (or did at a time 
contemporaneous to this law being enacted).

Canadians are effectively not allowed to carry a firearm, so we tend to 
be unarmed when we travel.

Many Canadians vacationing in Florida either drive their own cars, ore 
fly and rent a car.

After the law allowing deadly force was enacted, the demographics of 
armed robberies in Florida suddenly showed a bias towards people showing 
either Canadian plates or a car with a rental sticker on it.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Adam Maas]

Russell Kerstetter wrote:
> On 9/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
>> from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
>> myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
>> like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
>> need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.
> 
> Of course I've *tried* to carry a concealed cannon but it turned out
> to be too heavy for me (plus it takes forever for me to reload).  But
> since I already had bought the trench coat, I went ahead an got my
> concealed crossbow license... I just tell people that I have big hips.
> 
> (with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek :)
> Russell
> 

I do know a guy who does on occasion carry a concealed cannon. He's got 
a 2lb blackpowder mortar and carries it under cover in the back of his 
pickup.

-Adam

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Re: PESO - Fog

[Paul Crovella]

I vote to keep the windsurfer. It's a fantastic detail in a lovely shot. 
I think it's great that something occupying so little of the photo is 
commanding so much attention. Without it you've got just another picture 
of the SF Bay. (In a related story: 
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/36577 )

Cheers,
Paul

Rick Womer wrote:
> Gotta lose the wind surfer.  It's a major distraction
> in a lovely shot.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, yes, it is a wind surfer.
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Monday, September 25, 2006, 3:10:54 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> C> On 25/9/06, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated,
>> unleashed:
>>
 I thought it interesting to see the fog blowing
>> into the bay.  The
 Golden Gate Bridge is partially shrouded but you
>> can still see out in
 the bay, some sun that hasn't been obscured yet.

 Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
 ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3439.htm

 Comments welcome
>> C> *sigh*  Lovely shot Bruce. Memories.
>>
>> C> What's the blob just below and right of the motor
>> boat? Windsurfer?
>>
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>>
>> C> Cheers,
>> C>   Cotty
>>
>>
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Adam Maas]

Russell Kerstetter wrote:
> On 9/25/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Russell Kerstetter wrote:
>> Extreme is when you start looking at rifle-cartridge pistols or things
>> like the S&W .500 revolver.
> 
> I do not mean to imply that .40 is extreme, but this is the same guy
> that gets angry every time he sees a National Geographic because he is
> under the impression that NGS gives lot 'o' money towards gun control.
>  I do not know if he is correct or not, but I do not care enough to
> cancel my free subscription (it was a gift).
> 
> A 1911 is a *very* nice gun.  .45's have a bad rep for recoil, ect,
> and I am not sure why.  A couple guys at my work have 1911's that are
> set up very nice, but don't ask me about the mods, because I do not
> know :), I just thought it was a very pleasant gun to shoot.  I don't
> own one because they are expensive to buy, expensive to shoot, and I
> don't compete and I don't feel I need to protect myself from the thugs
> of suburban Denver.
> 
> Oh, and I didn't like his .40 either.  It's a Glock 27 or something
> like that, and it felt like a cheap plastic toy, IMHO.
> 
> Russell
> 

Some of the lightweight 45's are a stone cold bitch, the Warthog comes 
to mind (of course, even that's nicer than an S&W .40) and the 1911's a 
big hunk of metal. 9mm is much gentler, allowing much lighter pistols 
without the poor recoil handling you'd get with amore powerful 
cartridge. I don't like glock's, but they're certainly accurate.

I've not done a serious amount of shooting, although I do enjoy the 
sport and when I get the chance I intend to acquire a couple of nice 
target rifles.

-Adam

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Paul Crovella]

There is a great deal of "Buddhist philosophy", but "Buddhism" is indeed 
a religion. People who claim otherwise typically have some general 
aversion to "religion" but find themselves agreeing with, or least being 
not so bothered by, Buddhism. They still want to be angry with 
"religion" so to reconcile the conflict they proclaim Buddhism not to be 
one.

It is.

Cheers,
paul


Tim Øsleby wrote:
> So far, one: My uncle ;-)
> 
> I'm not sure if really qualifies for the term; perhaps he is just a weirdo.
> He claims that Buddhism is not a religion, but a philosophy. 
> So I might have been too big mouthed again. 
> 
> 
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob
> Shell
> Sent: 26. september 2006 03:05
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 
>> I can only answer for my part of the world:
>>
>> The right to express myself in my own way, the right to read what I  
>> want,
>> the right to listen to the music I want to, the right to live with my
>> beloved, the right to decide how I look, the right to have a beer,  
>> etc.
>> In short, the right to be me.
>>
>> Happily the Christian fundamentalists down rule here.
>>
>> I think there are fundamentalists all over the world, in any religion.
>> Perhaps Bahai is the one exception the confirms this rule.
> 
> 
> How many Buddhist extremists have you run into, Tim?
> 
> Bob


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Re: OT: Mmm. Tastes like...

[P. J. Alling]

There's a reason that Chinese food in the US doesn't much resemble 
traditional Chinese fare.

Bob W wrote:

>Not for the squeamish!
>
>Here's a taster:
>"Government officials," says Nancy. "Two of them upstairs. They're
>having the penis hotpot." 
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/53715
>00.stm
>
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>
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Re: Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Russell Kerstetter" 
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections



> yes, it is itchy, but I still wear regular underpants underneath.  

Have you ever noticed that everything you sit on feels like underwear?

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Re: Pop Photo Interview mp3

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Toine" 
Subject: Re: Pop Photo Interview mp3


 Which
> adapter? My Pentax flash adapters are 5P or 4P not standard PC.

Which cameras use those ones?

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Re: PESO - Fog

[Rick Womer]

Gotta lose the wind surfer.  It's a major distraction
in a lovely shot.

Rick

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks, yes, it is a wind surfer.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Monday, September 25, 2006, 3:10:54 PM, you wrote:
> 
> C> On 25/9/06, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated,
> unleashed:
> 
> >>I thought it interesting to see the fog blowing
> into the bay.  The
> >>Golden Gate Bridge is partially shrouded but you
> can still see out in
> >>the bay, some sun that hasn't been obscured yet.
> >>
> >>Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
> >>ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
> >>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3439.htm
> >>
> >>Comments welcome
> 
> C> *sigh*  Lovely shot Bruce. Memories.
> 
> C> What's the blob just below and right of the motor
> boat? Windsurfer?
> 
> C> -- 
> 
> 
> C> Cheers,
> C>   Cotty
> 
> 
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections



> I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
> from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
> myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
> like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
> need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.

The first time we visited Wyoming, at some point, I found myself sitting
outside a laundromat while the wife did wife stuff inside.
A noisy Harley-Davidson rattled to a stop near me and the rider let his
lady off the PP, and ito the laundromat she went. He parked and wandered
by me a moment later. As he walked past, I noticed, at my eye level, a
long barrel .44 Magnum in an open holster.
Quite the shock for a prairie boy.

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Re: Enablement, again :)

[Rick Womer]

Hmmm How much longer will your tag line say "Shoot
more film!"???

Rick

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Re: PESO: SMC-FA 2.0 24mm AL IF

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: PESO: SMC-FA 2.0 24mm AL IF



> What would be the chances of getting two duds, thousands apart by
> serial number that exhibit exactly the same rendering characteristics?
> I suspect that some people are just more accepting of faults than
> others.

More willing to use lots of unsharp mask?

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller"
Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji


> In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 
> 5
> minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter.

Pentax has had that for years..

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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features


> This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what 
> feature I'd
> like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR that can take good B&W
> photos, possibly taking a clue from some of the good B&W conversion
> software that's out there and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa 
> 100
> mode, and Ilford mode, etc.

Would that be a Tri-X mode in D-76 straight, or 1:1?
Normal processing or longer?
Or shorter?
What temperature should they emulate?
And to you think it will offer better shadow detail?

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections


> You know, I really hate it when I read comments like this. People have
> every right to object to being photographed, even though it may be 
> true
> that in certain circumstances the photographer may "legally" 
> photograph
> them.  If a person doesn't want to be photographed, then I think the
> photographer should accept to their wishes.  If there's a news story 
> or
> something of importance going on, that may be a different case.  I say 
> that
> we should allow people some privacy, especially in a world where 
> privacy is
> getting harder and harder to come by.


They have as much right to object as the photographer has the right to 
ignore their objections.
I generally won't photograph a person who indicates they would rather 
not be photographed, but, if the person is merely incidental to the 
scene, then they can either move or be photographed.

At least that's what I think.

William Robb


>> In a public area they have absolutely no right to object to you
>> photographing anything, including them or not.




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RE: Street photography - religious objections

[David Savage]

At 02:14 AM 26/09/2006, Bob W wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of David Savage
> > Man this thread is great.
> >
> > It's got "The Big 2", religion & politics. All it needs now is some
> > foul language, nudity, sex, gratuitous violence, greased animals and I
> > could die a happy man.
> >
> > Keep it coming people.
> >
> > 
>
>Shall I switch on my webcam for you?

I'm game, I'll try anything once. (Well almost anything ;-)

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> What's an "event?"  How much time can this feature save?  What does  
> that
> translate to in $$?

Event:  wedding, bar mitzvah, office party, special office seminar,  
dance, beauty pageant, and the list goes on and on. I have friends  
who shoot these regularly for good money. If they could push one  
button and see they got the shot they would have peace of mind.   
Particularly in dark venues, pushing one button is much faster and  
easier than multiple pushing, wheel spinning, whatever.  I'm sure  
these were the people Fuji was thinking of when they added this.   
Fuji has very good market penetration among event shooters.

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RE: Street photography - religious objections

[Tim Øsleby]

So far, one: My uncle ;-)

I'm not sure if really qualifies for the term; perhaps he is just a weirdo.
He claims that Buddhism is not a religion, but a philosophy. 
So I might have been too big mouthed again. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> I can only answer for my part of the world:
>
> The right to express myself in my own way, the right to read what I  
> want,
> the right to listen to the music I want to, the right to live with my
> beloved, the right to decide how I look, the right to have a beer,  
> etc.
> In short, the right to be me.
>
> Happily the Christian fundamentalists down rule here.
>
> I think there are fundamentalists all over the world, in any religion.
> Perhaps Bahai is the one exception the confirms this rule.


How many Buddhist extremists have you run into, Tim?

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[David Savage]

Right back at ya. ;-)

I'm always happy Shel.

Dave


At 12:04 AM 26/09/2006, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>Fuck you Dave ... happier?   Now where's my sheep?
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: David Savage
>
> > Man this thread is great.
> >
> > It's got "The Big 2", religion & politics. All it needs now is some
> > foul language, nudity, sex, gratuitous violence, greased animals and I
> > could die a happy man.
> >
> > Keep it coming people.


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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, USM-compatible teleconverters. That would be a real plus.
On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> A set of extension tubes that supported the KA mount's electronic
>> contacts would also be good.
>
> How about USM-compatible teleconverters? :)
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Re: Enablement, again :)

[Scott Loveless]

On 9/25/06, Vid Strpic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My K100D arrived today :)  Will play with it some more when there's more
> light - it's night here now :(
>

You obviously don't know how to have fun at night.  ;)  My wife's
K100D arrived on Friday.  I've been outside with it for the last hour.

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Shel Belinkoff]

What's an "event?"  How much time can this feature save?  What does that
translate to in $$?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Shell 

>  If you're not an event shooter,  
> Shel, it might be useless to you, 
> but I think event shooters will be  
> excited by this.  It saves time, and 
> time is money in event shooting.



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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:

> I do not mean to imply that .40 is extreme, but this is the same guy
> that gets angry every time he sees a National Geographic because he is
> under the impression that NGS gives lot 'o' money towards gun control.
>  I do not know if he is correct or not, but I do not care enough to
> cancel my free subscription (it was a gift).

Who says National Geographic is for gun control!!??  Not so. I've  
worked on six books for them.  The first time I went into their  
offices in DC the editor I was working with said to me, "I don't care  
how you feel personally, but inside this building if anyone asks,  
you're a Republican."  I'm glad he warned me. It's a Republican  
stronghold there.  Charlton Heston would be right at home.

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:

> Of course I've *tried* to carry a concealed cannon but it turned out
> to be too heavy for me (plus it takes forever for me to reload).  But
> since I already had bought the trench coat, I went ahead an got my
> concealed crossbow license... I just tell people that I have big hips.

I solved the canon problem (too slow to reload) by getting a Gattling  
gun instead.  Just crank that SOB and shoot away.

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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[David Savage]

Opening the original un-edited RAW file in PS, the only limit to the 
options you have, is your imagination & proficiency with the software.

Dave


At 08:27 AM 26/09/2006, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>I don't see it as imposing limits, but expanding options.
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > Date: 9/25/2006 5:09:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features
> >
> > I certainly wouldn't want anything that introduced grain. In terms of
> > gray scale values and response, I'm not interested in duplicating
> > what film could or could not do. I would rather just experiment with
> > the full potential of the RAW information. To my mind, anything else
> > would merely impose limits.
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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> I can only answer for my part of the world:
>
> The right to express myself in my own way, the right to read what I  
> want,
> the right to listen to the music I want to, the right to live with my
> beloved, the right to decide how I look, the right to have a beer,  
> etc.
> In short, the right to be me.
>
> Happily the Christian fundamentalists down rule here.
>
> I think there are fundamentalists all over the world, in any religion.
> Perhaps Bahai is the one exception the confirms this rule.


How many Buddhist extremists have you run into, Tim?

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Re: DA 18-55

[David S.]

Patrick Genovese wrote:
> I'm considering whether or not to get a DA 18-55 as a Kit with a K10D
> (my dealer gave me a very reasonable price for a kit) ?  What the
> general take on the optical quality / build quality etc
> 
> I would go for the 16-50 but its too long to wait and i need someting
> that gives me a 28mm equiv now
> 

I ordered my K10D as body only because I already have the FA 20-35/f4 
and didn't think the 2mm difference of the 18-55 was worth it.  I will 
wait & see if the DA* 16-50 is affordable when it comes out next year.

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Imprint Time/Date on DS Pics

[Shel Belinkoff]

I can't find a way to imprint the time/date on images made with the DS.  Is
that even possible?  It's not something I'd usually do, but there are about
seven snaps I need to make over the next week - 10 days where it would be
very handy to have that feature.


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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>A set of extension tubes that supported the KA mount's electronic  
>contacts would also be good.

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> New Facial Detection Technology (Post capture Face
> Zoom allows the photographer to easily and quickly zoom
> in and confirm facial detail such as focus and exposure on
> the LCD monitor.)
>
> So, can't we all do that with our current digital cameras by using the
> magnifying feature in the LCD screen.  I still don't see any  
> benefit, nor
> do I see what's different than what we already have.  I guess, once  
> again,
> my technical ignorance manifests itself.

Sure you can zoom in on the face, but it takes several steps on the  
digital cameras I know of. This is a one button quick-zoom that picks  
out the face and zooms in on it. If you're not an event shooter,  
Shel, it might be useless to you, but I think event shooters will be  
excited by this.  It saves time, and time is money in event shooting.

Bob

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Re: Mini PDML LONDON

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks for asking, Bob!

I've spent a lot of time wandering the South Bank area, the area near  
the British Museum and Soho/Piccadilly Circus. My friends live in  
Kingston on Thames right by Richmond Park, and I've spent time at the  
Kew Steam Museum ... as well as various other places around the city.

I recognize most of the names you've posted but, other than Kew  
Gardens, don't think I've visited any of these places myself yet.

So basically, I'm open to interesting places nearly anywhere around  
the city ... particularly places where interesting photos might be  
found. I like doing people/cityscape/etc kind of work... And of  
course somewhere we can converse over a pint or single-malt would be  
good.

  :-)

Godfrey

On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Bob W wrote:

> if there's anything you'd particularly like to see or do, please
> shout. You seem to be quite familiar with London - perhaps there are
> some lesser-known things you'd be interested in, or maybe even some of
> the big tourist traps that you haven't seen yet.
>
> I would offer you an Unknown London tour, but nobody knows anything
> about it.
>
> I assume you've been to Camden Lock, Regents Canal, Portobello, etc.
> River Cruises, Beefeaters. Brick Lane? Spitalfields? Kew Gardens,
> Richmond, Kray Twins tour, Ripper Tour (much the same as a Kray Twins
> tour), Del Boy's London, whatever.
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Shel Belinkoff]

I'd go along with any of those things, really.  I'm kind of ignorant of the
tech stuff that goes on behind the lens and in the soft/firm ware. 
However, I always thought the sensor captured stuff in B&W and the
converted it to color.  I was saying to Bruce the other night that if the
camera software got rid of a lot of these silly things, there'd be more
room for more serious functions and features.  On the DS I've only used AV,
TV, and Manual.  Of course, the littele pics that are on the DS are not on
the D, so it's not as though Pentax hasn't offered a more "serious" camera,
although, iirc, there's some silly and useless stuff in the K10D.  Well, I
suppose it's needed to sell cameras.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

> I have to agree with Paul on this one, Shel.
>
> Monochrome is a rendering process when the sensor is capable of color  
> capture. It's only in the case where you have a limited sensor that  
> only records intensity information based on a spectral sensitivity  
> built into the sensor ... aka B&W film ... that it is anything else.
>
> Instead of dumb features like Face Recognition and nonsensical things  
> like "slimming filters", I'd like to more and better focusing screen  
> options, multipoint manual metering ala the Olympus OM-4, an  
> expansion of the highlight saturation blinkies to indicate over and  
> underexposure areas spatially rather than in a histogram display, a  
> camera with an interchangeable head for waist level and high  
> magnification finder options, and a compact, fast 28mm lens ... ;-)
>
> A set of extension tubes that supported the KA mount's electronic  
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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Powell Hargrave]

>In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 5 
>minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. 
>Fortunately a local Photoshop guru explained it fairly well - the camera was 
>compressing the image @ the center to make the subject, also in the center, 
>appear "thinner". When the subject wasn't in the center of the image, it 
>"thinned/shrunk" what was.
>I guess if it sells the camera so what - we don't have to buy it.

If you buy a Pentax DSLR Ds and later you do!

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 5:50 PM, John Forbes wrote:

> The right to be taught the truth about the origins of life?

Yeah, that ought to be in there somewhere, too.

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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have to agree with Paul on this one, Shel.

Monochrome is a rendering process when the sensor is capable of color  
capture. It's only in the case where you have a limited sensor that  
only records intensity information based on a spectral sensitivity  
built into the sensor ... aka B&W film ... that it is anything else.

Instead of dumb features like Face Recognition and nonsensical things  
like "slimming filters", I'd like to more and better focusing screen  
options, multipoint manual metering ala the Olympus OM-4, an  
expansion of the highlight saturation blinkies to indicate over and  
underexposure areas spatially rather than in a histogram display, a  
camera with an interchangeable head for waist level and high  
magnification finder options, and a compact, fast 28mm lens ... ;-)

A set of extension tubes that supported the KA mount's electronic  
contacts would also be good.

Godfrey


Paul said:

>> ... I certainly wouldn't want anything that introduced grain. In  
>> terms of
>> gray scale values and response, I'm not interested in duplicating
>> what film could or could not do. I would rather just experiment with
>> the full potential of the RAW information. ...

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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[David Savage]

At 06:36 AM 26/09/2006, you wrote:
>I've an abiding distast of government officials and actively dislike
>relying on them for anything, especially protection. Especially since
>the local PD is famed for doing a better job of framing innocent
>shopkeepers as drug dealers than actually catching anyone who's
>committed a crime. While I appreciate the job the Police actually do
>(And the problem with the Toronto PD is primarily at the administration
>and City Council levels), the job they do is to catch criminals, not
>protect innocents. The latter occurs to the extent it does simply via
>deterrence and getting criminals off the streets (Although with teh
>Canadian Criminal Justice system, too often the ones who stay behind
>bars have proved innocent, while the truly guilty tend to get out
>relatively quick).


I'm not anti firearms (though I don't think much of handguns), I've been 
shooting and hunting a couple of times and it's good fun (the target 
practice was fun, the hunting might have been more interesting if Roo's 
weren't so stupid. But foxes are as cunning as they are made out to be.)

The idea that people would be safer if they were allowed to carry a gun in 
the event they needed to defend them self is bullshit IMHO.

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Re: PESO - Fog

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I like the shot but I think I'd have softened the windsurfer a  
little. The sail is so sharply defined it looks out of place!

Godfrey

> Very nice. Well composed.
> I too am curious as to what that sharply defined object is in the
> foreground.
> l
>>> I thought it interesting to see the fog blowing into the bay.  The
>>> Golden Gate Bridge is partially shrouded but you can still see  
>>> out in
>>> the bay, some sun that hasn't been obscured yet.
>>>
>>> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
>>> ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3439.htm


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Re: OT: Mmm. Tastes like...

[John Forbes]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:24:25 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh, go on, John! Try it. Just put a bit in your mouth. You don't have
> to swallow. And anyway, it's good for you. It's full of protein.

I am content to take your word for it, Bob.

John




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>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of John Forbes
>> Sent: 25 September 2006 22:46
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: OT: Mmm. Tastes like...
>>
>> I heard that when it was broadcast.  Having eaten flying ants
>> and hundred
>> year eggs and balut and English prep school food (by far the
>> worst), I
>> thought I was game for most things.  But there's a limit to
>> everything.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:10:10 +0100, Bob W
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Not for the squeamish!
>> >
>> > Here's a taster:
>> > "Government officials," says Nancy. "Two of them upstairs. They're
>> > having the penis hotpot."
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/53715
>> > 00.stm
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Shel Belinkoff]

I don't see it as imposing limits, but expanding options.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Date: 9/25/2006 5:09:22 PM
> Subject: Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features
>
> I certainly wouldn't want anything that introduced grain. In terms of  
> gray scale values and response, I'm not interested in duplicating  
> what film could or could not do. I would rather just experiment with  
> the full potential of the RAW information. To my mind, anything else  
> would merely impose limits.
> Paul
> On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > I agree with you to an extent.  By TX, etc., mode, I was thinking more
> > along the lines of a good rendering following the spectral and grain
> > characteristics of the film, which would then be adjusted  
> > afterwards with
> > curves, levels, what have you, just as if one were working in a  
> > darkroom
> > starting with a negative developed from film which was chosen for  
> > certain
> > characteristics.  As it is now, there's no reasonable, or base,  
> > starting
> > point for a B&W conversion, although there are numerous ways of  
> > making one
> > and getting good results.  But for some - myself included - it  
> > would be
> > nice to start with something closer to the "original source" in  
> > some ways.
> > With film, the best way to optimize the results was also by eye,  
> > but you
> > had a starting place that was consistent and known. You chose it  
> > when you
> > bought the film.
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Paul Stenquist
> >
> >> That would be worthwhile if it would really work. But I think you're
> >> always going to be better off doing the conversions in post
> >> processing. As I'm sure you've seen, the conversion parameters are
> >> rarely identical for two different shots. The best way to optimize
> >> the conversion is by eye.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> >>
> >>> This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what
> >>> feature I'd like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR
> >>> that can take good B&W photos, possibly taking a clue from
> >>> some of the good B&W conversion software that's out there
> >>> and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa 100 mode, and
> >>> Ilford mode, etc.
> >
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Paul Stenquist]

I certainly wouldn't want anything that introduced grain. In terms of  
gray scale values and response, I'm not interested in duplicating  
what film could or could not do. I would rather just experiment with  
the full potential of the RAW information. To my mind, anything else  
would merely impose limits.
Paul
On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I agree with you to an extent.  By TX, etc., mode, I was thinking more
> along the lines of a good rendering following the spectral and grain
> characteristics of the film, which would then be adjusted  
> afterwards with
> curves, levels, what have you, just as if one were working in a  
> darkroom
> starting with a negative developed from film which was chosen for  
> certain
> characteristics.  As it is now, there's no reasonable, or base,  
> starting
> point for a B&W conversion, although there are numerous ways of  
> making one
> and getting good results.  But for some - myself included - it  
> would be
> nice to start with something closer to the "original source" in  
> some ways.
> With film, the best way to optimize the results was also by eye,  
> but you
> had a starting place that was consistent and known. You chose it  
> when you
> bought the film.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Paul Stenquist
>
>> That would be worthwhile if it would really work. But I think you're
>> always going to be better off doing the conversions in post
>> processing. As I'm sure you've seen, the conversion parameters are
>> rarely identical for two different shots. The best way to optimize
>> the conversion is by eye.
>
>
>
>> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>
>>> This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what
>>> feature I'd like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR
>>> that can take good B&W photos, possibly taking a clue from
>>> some of the good B&W conversion software that's out there
>>> and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa 100 mode, and
>>> Ilford mode, etc.
>
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Re: PESO: SMC-FA 2.0 24mm AL IF

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 9/23/06, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This lens is amazingly sharp. Widengles are good for repartage because of
> the huge DOF.

nice.  the facial expressions on both ladies are really great!

russell

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Re: Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 9/25/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't it a bit itchy, not great for your lungs either and won't stop a slug. 
> ;-)

yes, it is itchy, but I still wear regular underpants underneath.  and
it's really hard to see through these asbestos goggles!

Russell

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Going by info on the link to the 22-bit ADC that Rob posted, it detects
> faces in the viewing area then gives preference to them for focus and
> exposure. If you could not turn it off it would cause some problems in
> that a landscape with someone in the foreground would turn into a
> portrait, etc. Seems like a nice feature for snapshot cameras. One step
> closer to camera that does not need an operator.

Yes they may be using the Nucore processor, interesting feature set if
so. It's just one more function that might swing some idiot to the
brand, just like citing blindly that a camera has a 22 bit ADC for
instance.

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Re: PentaxUSA Strikes Again!

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 9/25/06, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Thank you for contacting Pentax. The DA series lenses are designed for
> the Pentax Digital SLR camera bodies, and the digital SLR has digital
> filters built in to the camera, as well as the editing software, but if
> you were to use a lens filter you would need to use the filter that fits
> the filter diameter for that lens. In this case The DA 21,and DA 40
> would use the 49mm filters."

LOL!  Isn't customer service grand!?!

Russell

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RE: PESO: Le Portel (Photosight.ru)

[Tim Øsleby]

Mike. I submit pictures at the Norwegian sibling of this page. Do you
experience the same there?


Tim
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The last few times I have accessed Photosight, it has activated the popup
blocker (at home) or (at work) brought up advertising screens.  This time,
it triggered the anti-virus software.  I won't be going back there.
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher)
> Date: 2006/09/24 Sun PM 10:28:20 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net (Pentax Mailingliste)
> Subject: PESO: Le Portel
> 
> First of all a disclaimer, since one can never be too cautious about
> such things in our days: this picture shows graffity which may include
> "non-office-friendly" language. You have been warned. *sigh*
> 
> http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1664522
> 
> Your comments and suggestions are as always most welcome.
> 
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Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 9/25/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Russell Kerstetter wrote:
> Extreme is when you start looking at rifle-cartridge pistols or things
> like the S&W .500 revolver.

I do not mean to imply that .40 is extreme, but this is the same guy
that gets angry every time he sees a National Geographic because he is
under the impression that NGS gives lot 'o' money towards gun control.
 I do not know if he is correct or not, but I do not care enough to
cancel my free subscription (it was a gift).

A 1911 is a *very* nice gun.  .45's have a bad rep for recoil, ect,
and I am not sure why.  A couple guys at my work have 1911's that are
set up very nice, but don't ask me about the mods, because I do not
know :), I just thought it was a very pleasant gun to shoot.  I don't
own one because they are expensive to buy, expensive to shoot, and I
don't compete and I don't feel I need to protect myself from the thugs
of suburban Denver.

Oh, and I didn't like his .40 either.  It's a Glock 27 or something
like that, and it felt like a cheap plastic toy, IMHO.

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Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey, we have a gun thread!! Batten down the hatches. Hide the women
> > and children.
> > Paul
>
> Since I know that you can't see me through your screen, I feel it fair
> to inform everyone that I am now wearing my asbestos body armor.

Isn't it a bit itchy, not great for your lungs either and won't stop a slug. ;-)

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Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 9/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, we have a gun thread!! Batten down the hatches. Hide the women
> and children.
> Paul

Since I know that you can't see me through your screen, I feel it fair
to inform everyone that I am now wearing my asbestos body armor.

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Re: Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Russell Kerstetter]

On 9/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
> from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
> myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
> like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
> need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.

Of course I've *tried* to carry a concealed cannon but it turned out
to be too heavy for me (plus it takes forever for me to reload).  But
since I already had bought the trench coat, I went ahead an got my
concealed crossbow license... I just tell people that I have big hips.

(with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek :)
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Re: CompatFlash v4.0

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> According to Clubic (quite OK french tech site) the CF standard goes
> to v4 and should become quite a bit faster.
>
> http://www.clubic.com/actualite-38843-photokina-06-compact-flash-quatrieme.html
>
> In short, CF will be UDMA133 compatible and yes you'be able to use new
> cards in old cameras like D. When I said CF was a better standard than
> SD(HC) well... here's the proof (maybe... I wish ;)

Get over it Thibouille, CF is dead ;-)

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've figured out what it's good for. It keeps you from photographing  
Lawyers!

After all, good software will easily distinguish a prick from a face  
where a lot of people don't seem to be able to when they're looking  
for a lawyer.

;-)

Godfrey

On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:08 PM, John Forbes wrote:

> Do I gather that you are not impressed by this must-have feature then,
> Shel?
>
> John
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:58:23 +0100, Shel Belinkoff
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It's all a bunch of crap.  Slimming filters, pet mode, child mode,  
>> face
>> recognition, ear lobe adjustment - FEH!
>>
>> Shel


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Re: PentaxUSA Strikes Again!

[Douglas Newman]

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Solly, no spak anguish.

LOL, you remind me of this Shelley Berman routine:
http://www.shelleyberman.com/roomservice.htm

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Re: PESO: SMC-FA 2.0 24mm AL IF

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I suspect there's a lot of individual lens variation, as well as
> individual variation in what the users expect from a premium priced
> lens like this.

What would be the chances of getting two duds, thousands apart by
serial number that exhibit exactly the same rendering characteristics?
I suspect that some people are just more accepting of faults than
others.

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Re: Pre-Photokina: New DSLR from FujiFilm

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And the link to Pentax is?

Tenuous but the Nucore post processor which the K10D may or may not
use has integrated facial recognition features.

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Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji

[Shel Belinkoff]

Oh, it's a "must have" feature.  My mistake.  I just thought it was a
marketing gimmick.  I'd like to see a breast enhancement and penis
enlargement function as well.  Or, perhaps, better resolution, less noise,
greater dynamic range, and flashier colors (black is so passe - everybody's
doing it this year).

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: John Forbes 

> Do I gather that you are not impressed by this
>  must-have feature then,  Shel?
>
> John
>
> Shel Belinkoff  wrote:
>
> > It's all a bunch of crap.  Slimming filters, pet mode, 
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Shel Belinkoff]

I agree with you to an extent.  By TX, etc., mode, I was thinking more
along the lines of a good rendering following the spectral and grain
characteristics of the film, which would then be adjusted afterwards with
curves, levels, what have you, just as if one were working in a darkroom
starting with a negative developed from film which was chosen for certain
characteristics.  As it is now, there's no reasonable, or base, starting
point for a B&W conversion, although there are numerous ways of making one
and getting good results.  But for some - myself included - it would be
nice to start with something closer to the "original source" in some ways. 
With film, the best way to optimize the results was also by eye, but you
had a starting place that was consistent and known. You chose it when you
bought the film.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> That would be worthwhile if it would really work. But I think you're  
> always going to be better off doing the conversions in post  
> processing. As I'm sure you've seen, the conversion parameters are  
> rarely identical for two different shots. The best way to optimize  
> the conversion is by eye.



> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what  
> > feature I'd like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR 
> > that can take good B&W photos, possibly taking a clue from 
> > some of the good B&W conversion software that's out there 
> > and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa 100 mode, and 
> > Ilford mode, etc.



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Re: Street photography - religious objections

[Paul Stenquist]

Hey, we have a gun thread!! Batten down the hatches. Hide the women  
and children.
Paul
On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:36 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> Cotty wrote:
>> On 25/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> I've fired a S&W .40, didn't like it, prefer the .45ACP in a 1911  
>>> (More
>>> managable recoil). If I was going to carry, it would be a 1911  
>>> (but I
>>> can't, despite the fact that Canadian Gun Law technically permits  
>>> CCW,
>>> the permits simply don't get issued. Luckily even my somewhat  
>>> dangerous
>>> neighbourhood, by Toronto standards, isn't bad enough that I feel  
>>> the
>>> need to go armed).
>>
>> I've filmed handguns, shotguns, rifles and even cannons being fired -
>> from close range. I have never had the remotest interest in trying it
>> myself, and cannot imagine living somewhere where carrying something
>> like that out in society is deemed acceptable. Admittedly, you would
>> need a large trench coat for a cannon, but that's by the by.
>>
>
> I've an abiding distast of government officials and actively dislike
> relying on them for anything, especially protection. Especially since
> the local PD is famed for doing a better job of framing innocent
> shopkeepers as drug dealers than actually catching anyone who's
> committed a crime. While I appreciate the job the Police actually do
> (And the problem with the Toronto PD is primarily at the  
> administration
> and City Council levels), the job they do is to catch criminals, not
> protect innocents. The latter occurs to the extent it does simply via
> deterrence and getting criminals off the streets (Although with teh
> Canadian Criminal Justice system, too often the ones who stay behind
> bars have proved innocent, while the truly guilty tend to get out
> relatively quick).
>
> -Adam
> Who strongly believes in the Right to Self Defence. Even armed Self  
> Defence.
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Re: What I'd LIke to See instead of Crap Features

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Shel,
That would be worthwhile if it would really work. But I think you're  
always going to be better off doing the conversions in post  
processing. As I'm sure you've seen, the conversion parameters are  
rarely identical for two different shots. The best way to optimize  
the conversion is by eye.
Paul
On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what  
> feature I'd
> like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR that can take good B&W
> photos, possibly taking a clue from some of the good B&W conversion
> software that's out there and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa  
> 100
> mode, and Ilford mode, etc.
>
>
> Shel
>
>
>
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