Re: PESO - First Day of School

[Bruce Dayton]

Just making sure that you have adjusted the diopter setting on the
viewfinder to your vision.  One time, I let my brother shoot with one
of my *istD bodies for a couple of days.  About 2/3 way through the
first day he commented that he was struggling with focusing - couldn't
really tell if he had focused properly.  It suddenly dawned on me that
the adjustment was for my eyes.  I had him adjust it so that the
readout along the bottom was very clear and sharp.  Suprise!  The rest
of the time he was having no trouble at all.

If all is set up properly, I would think that you would do ok with the
focus.  At least check to see if the adjustment would help you.

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Monday, February 5, 2007, 10:30:12 PM, you wrote:

JaKM> It's a lovely lens, although I am finding that I can't trust the K10's 
focus
JaKM> indicator and I really can't judge focus through the viewfinder very well,
JaKM> so getting sharp focus is proving frustrating.
JaKM> - Original Message - 
JaKM> From: "Peter Lacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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JaKM> Subject: Re: PESO - First Day of School


>>> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide open.
>>> I
>>> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e
>>
>> good eye, James. And first class craftmanship as well.
>>
>> BTW: I found your message right in the middle of a thread about whether
>> are DA lenses sharper than FA and vice versa. Apparently, the winner is
>> an old M lens, which needs to be softened digitally because it's too
>> sharp even wide open. ;-)
>>
>> Aren't those Pentax fifties amazing?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[Tom C]

>This thread WAS about the dearth of used Pentax glass available at the
>moment.
>Your hijacking notwithstanding.
>Until Pentax has a 24x36mm K mount DSLR on the ground, any further
>discussion on this is moot.
>
>William Robb
>

Pentax is doomed.

If I'm proved totally wrong, I'll be happy. They are the underdog.  Usually 
underdogs only win in the case of Boise State or cartoons. ;-) ;-) ;-)

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Re: PESO - First Day of School

[J and K Messervy]

It's a lovely lens, although I am finding that I can't trust the K10's focus 
indicator and I really can't judge focus through the viewfinder very well, 
so getting sharp focus is proving frustrating.
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>> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide open. 
>> I
>> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e
>
> good eye, James. And first class craftmanship as well.
>
> BTW: I found your message right in the middle of a thread about whether
> are DA lenses sharper than FA and vice versa. Apparently, the winner is
> an old M lens, which needs to be softened digitally because it's too
> sharp even wide open. ;-)
>
> Aren't those Pentax fifties amazing?
>
> Cheers,
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Re: PESO - First Day of School

[J and K Messervy]

Thank you Bruce.  It's certainly a shot I'll treasure.
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>A very poignant moment caught.  I like your presentation, too.  Nice
> work!
>
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>
>
> Monday, February 5, 2007, 12:47:06 PM, you wrote:
>
> JaKM> Our four year old (I'm nearly five Dad!) had her very first day of 
> school
> JaKM> yesterday.
>
> JaKM> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide 
> open.  I
> JaKM> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.
>
> JaKM> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e
>
> JaKM> Comments and critique welcome.
>
> JaKM> Cheers
>
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Re: K10D w/Tokina SD AT-X AF 400 F5.6

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Quite nice, Joe!

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> I wasn't sure if this lens would have enough resolution for the 10 mp
> sensor. But I believe it does. This was shot at F8, and the lens's  
> best
> aperture is actually F11:
>
> http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/11740/2003620684155360062_rs.jpg
> ISO 200; 1/750 @ F8; Noise Ninja; very slight sharpening with nik
> Sharpener Pro.


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Re: Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Congratulations, Bill!

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> And with a Pentax!!
>
> The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for  
> it's 40,000
> plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo  
> contest and at
> the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
> camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each  
> issue, and
> the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the  
> magazine. This
> year's Grand Prize winner is here:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343
>
> Of course, it's mine, and I'm quite proud that I won the thing my  
> first time
> entering a contest. Though the judges didn't know it, I'm a very  
> active
> volunteer, and see a steady stream of Nikon, and worse, Canon,  
> users each
> time I'm there. Too many, particularly of the latter, are strutting,
> pretentious sots, camera club types, who seem bent on acting out some
> fantasy of being serious photographers. Harsh language, I know, but  
> my job
> is to engage them in conversation, and I get terribly tired of  
> smilingly
> indulging that pretension. My revenge is the paragraph in the next  
> issue
> that I get explaining that I shoot with Pentax, not Nikon nor  
> Canon, gear.
> In this case with an ist D, and 180mm f 3.5 Sigma lens.  Take that,  
> you
> weenies!!
>
> BTW, in the past year, I've been seeing more and more Pentax bodies  
> amongst
> the Nikons and Canons, where previously I saw none
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI


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Re: combat photography

[P. J. Alling]

Now this would have been cool, if they'd ever built one...

*http://tinyurl.com/yrcaka*

David Savage wrote:
> This isn't as cool as that cannon or Ken's 18 incher , ;-), but it's pretty 
> neat none the less:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> At 07:52 AM 6/02/2007, Gonz wrote:
>   
>> Nah.  Try:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8
>>
>> rg
>> 
>
>
>   


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Re: Pentax SMC P-FA 28-105mm f/3.2-4.5 AL (IF)

[Boris Liberman]

Yes, Micah. Tamron 28-75 is constant f2.8 throughout the range.

Although there is certain sample variation in Tamron lenses as well, my 
sample is extremely good. I get pretty sharp (like in very sharp) 
pictures even wide open. This is my common walk-around lens (thanks Tim 
for piece of excellent advise).

Boris


Micah Kleit wrote:
> Boris:
> 
> Is that Tamron a constant aperture?  I have the Sigma 28-105 f/2.8 -  
> 4.0, which I bought over the Pentax because it's a faster lens at  
> wide angle.  Given what I'm reading, I'm glad I got it; it's now the  
> only zoom lens I own.  I would like a something like a 28-75 or  
> something else in that range with a constant aperture.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Micah
> 
> On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
>> Roman, I suggest you take very careful approach towards this lens. I
>> had one sample that would display focus confirmation in the viewfinder
>> of my *istD but no, I repeat no, element of the picture was actually
>> in focus.
>>
>> Evidently the sample variation is very significant. Thus I suggest you
>> insist that you check this lens on your very camera before you buy it.
>>
>> Ultimately, I bought Tamron XR DI 28-75/2.8 lens and I am extremely
>> happy about that.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 2/5/07, Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> http://www.photodo.com/product_332.html
>>>
>>> In anticipation of the new DA* lenses major Pentax retailer in  
>>> Estonia
>>> has dropped the price for older FA and FA J lenses by 40%. Does  
>>> anyone
>>> have an example photos made with this 28-105 lense I'm planning to
>>> purchase. A comments from your personal experience using this lense
>>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
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K10D w/Tokina SD AT-X AF 400 F5.6

[Joseph Tainter]

I wasn't sure if this lens would have enough resolution for the 10 mp 
sensor. But I believe it does. This was shot at F8, and the lens's best 
aperture is actually F11:

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/11740/2003620684155360062_rs.jpg

Shot from a distance of 4-4.5 meters, and cropped from the center of the 
image area.

ISO 200; 1/750 @ F8; Noise Ninja; very slight sharpening with nik 
Sharpener Pro.

Joe

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Re: Bio Diesel

[ann sanfedele]

Hey - who said you could take sign shots???
Harumph

Looks fine all around, Dave... I like the color, but it lends itself to 
BW conversion nicely I think, too.

fun

ann

David J Brooks wrote:

>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5550821
>
>Out for a drive and spotted this sign.
>
>I didi not realize our trucks run on wood up here.
>
>K10D in DNG record mode, adjust in CS and resize for web. One thing
>noted, i shot this in Sunny WB but DNG showed it as shot wb of 7100.??
>
>Dave
>
>Comments more than welcome.
>
>  
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Re: Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[ann sanfedele]

And why are you surprised?? :)

Wonderful shot, Bill  - mucho congrats!

ann

Bill Sawyer wrote:

>And with a Pentax!!
>
>The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for it's 40,000
>plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo contest and at
>the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
>camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each issue, and
>the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the magazine. This
>year's Grand Prize winner is here:
>
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[Bob Sullivan]

Marvelous image Bill, congratulations!
Regards,  Bob S.

On 2/5/07, Bill Sawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And with a Pentax!!
>
> The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for it's 40,000
> plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo contest and at
> the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
> camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each issue, and
> the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the magazine. This
> year's Grand Prize winner is here:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343
>
> Of course, it's mine, and I'm quite proud that I won the thing my first time
> entering a contest. Though the judges didn't know it, I'm a very active
> volunteer, and see a steady stream of Nikon, and worse, Canon, users each
> time I'm there. Too many, particularly of the latter, are strutting,
> pretentious sots, camera club types, who seem bent on acting out some
> fantasy of being serious photographers. Harsh language, I know, but my job
> is to engage them in conversation, and I get terribly tired of smilingly
> indulging that pretension. My revenge is the paragraph in the next issue
> that I get explaining that I shoot with Pentax, not Nikon nor Canon, gear.
> In this case with an ist D, and 180mm f 3.5 Sigma lens.  Take that, you
> weenies!!
>
> BTW, in the past year, I've been seeing more and more Pentax bodies amongst
> the Nikons and Canons, where previously I saw none
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI
>
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Re: Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[Stan Halpin]

Well done Bill!

stan


On Feb 5, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> And with a Pentax!!
>
> The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for  
> it's 40,000
> plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo  
> contest and at
> the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
> camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each  
> issue, and
> the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the  
> magazine. This
> year's Grand Prize winner is here:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343
>
> Of course, it's mine, and I'm quite proud that I won the thing my  
> first time
> entering a contest. Though the judges didn't know it, I'm a very  
> active
> volunteer, and see a steady stream of Nikon, and worse, Canon,  
> users each
> time I'm there. Too many, particularly of the latter, are strutting,
> pretentious sots, camera club types, who seem bent on acting out some
> fantasy of being serious photographers. Harsh language, I know, but  
> my job
> is to engage them in conversation, and I get terribly tired of  
> smilingly
> indulging that pretension. My revenge is the paragraph in the next  
> issue
> that I get explaining that I shoot with Pentax, not Nikon nor  
> Canon, gear.
> In this case with an ist D, and 180mm f 3.5 Sigma lens.  Take that,  
> you
> weenies!!
>
> BTW, in the past year, I've been seeing more and more Pentax bodies  
> amongst
> the Nikons and Canons, where previously I saw none
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI
>
>
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Re: combat photography

[David Savage]

This isn't as cool as that cannon or Ken's 18 incher , ;-), but it's pretty 
neat none the less:






Cheers,

Dave



At 07:52 AM 6/02/2007, Gonz wrote:
>Nah.  Try:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8
>
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RE: Pentax SMC P-FA 28-105mm f/3.2-4.5 AL (IF)

[Tim Øsleby]

I have the Tamron 28-75 too. It is constant 2,8 and quite useable at full
opening at all focal lengths. 


Tim
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Boris:

Is that Tamron a constant aperture?  I have the Sigma 28-105 f/2.8 -  
4.0, which I bought over the Pentax because it's a faster lens at  
wide angle.  Given what I'm reading, I'm glad I got it; it's now the  
only zoom lens I own.  I would like a something like a 28-75 or  
something else in that range with a constant aperture.

Thanks,

Micah

On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Roman, I suggest you take very careful approach towards this lens. I
> had one sample that would display focus confirmation in the viewfinder
> of my *istD but no, I repeat no, element of the picture was actually
> in focus.
>
> Evidently the sample variation is very significant. Thus I suggest you
> insist that you check this lens on your very camera before you buy it.
>
> Ultimately, I bought Tamron XR DI 28-75/2.8 lens and I am extremely
> happy about that.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 2/5/07, Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.photodo.com/product_332.html
>>
>> In anticipation of the new DA* lenses major Pentax retailer in  
>> Estonia
>> has dropped the price for older FA and FA J lenses by 40%. Does  
>> anyone
>> have an example photos made with this 28-105 lense I'm planning to
>> purchase. A comments from your personal experience using this lense
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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Re: Pentax SMC P-FA 28-105mm f/3.2-4.5 AL (IF)

[Micah Kleit]

Boris:

Is that Tamron a constant aperture?  I have the Sigma 28-105 f/2.8 -  
4.0, which I bought over the Pentax because it's a faster lens at  
wide angle.  Given what I'm reading, I'm glad I got it; it's now the  
only zoom lens I own.  I would like a something like a 28-75 or  
something else in that range with a constant aperture.

Thanks,

Micah

On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Roman, I suggest you take very careful approach towards this lens. I
> had one sample that would display focus confirmation in the viewfinder
> of my *istD but no, I repeat no, element of the picture was actually
> in focus.
>
> Evidently the sample variation is very significant. Thus I suggest you
> insist that you check this lens on your very camera before you buy it.
>
> Ultimately, I bought Tamron XR DI 28-75/2.8 lens and I am extremely
> happy about that.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 2/5/07, Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.photodo.com/product_332.html
>>
>> In anticipation of the new DA* lenses major Pentax retailer in  
>> Estonia
>> has dropped the price for older FA and FA J lenses by 40%. Does  
>> anyone
>> have an example photos made with this 28-105 lense I'm planning to
>> purchase. A comments from your personal experience using this lense
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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Re: Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[Paul Stenquist]

Congratulations Bill. Thats great. And keep working on those weenies!
Paul
On Feb 5, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> And with a Pentax!!
>
> The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for  
> it's 40,000
> plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo  
> contest and at
> the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
> camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each  
> issue, and
> the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the  
> magazine. This
> year's Grand Prize winner is here:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343
>
> Of course, it's mine, and I'm quite proud that I won the thing my  
> first time
> entering a contest. Though the judges didn't know it, I'm a very  
> active
> volunteer, and see a steady stream of Nikon, and worse, Canon,  
> users each
> time I'm there. Too many, particularly of the latter, are strutting,
> pretentious sots, camera club types, who seem bent on acting out some
> fantasy of being serious photographers. Harsh language, I know, but  
> my job
> is to engage them in conversation, and I get terribly tired of  
> smilingly
> indulging that pretension. My revenge is the paragraph in the next  
> issue
> that I get explaining that I shoot with Pentax, not Nikon nor  
> Canon, gear.
> In this case with an ist D, and 180mm f 3.5 Sigma lens.  Take that,  
> you
> weenies!!
>
> BTW, in the past year, I've been seeing more and more Pentax bodies  
> amongst
> the Nikons and Canons, where previously I saw none
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI
>
>
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Re: combat photography

[John Sessoms]

>
> From:
> mike wilson
> Oh, wimpy ideas!
> Let's go big bang!
> 7.62 NATO armour piercing incendiary round.  Nikon will take it (no?)
>
> If NATO ever makes one.  Armour piercing _and_ incendiary? 
NATO doesn't make one, but the U.S. Army does; not in 7.62 though - it's 
in .50cal for the M2 or Barrett.

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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Its not moot because the thread evolved into 
discussion of future usability/performance of 
FF vs. DA lenses and having no K mount FF camera today does
not preclude simple discussion of future use
of all Pentax lenses ever made. The key point
I was trying to make is that many existing FF lenses
when used on future FF digital are going to beat the pants
off the best DA/APS combinations available today, due
to the larger format even with lower absolute
resolution FF lenses in some cases. I don't know about you
all, but I really see FF digital, even from Pentax,
as inevitable evolution, regardless of whether the
current FF lenses maximize the FF digital format or
not, because they can just sell all new FF lenses again
if they have to in some circumstances. They
can call them FA-D lenses or something (no pun intended).

jco

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> But that's not what this thread was all about.

This thread WAS about the dearth of used Pentax glass available at the 
moment.
Your hijacking notwithstanding.
Until Pentax has a 24x36mm K mount DSLR on the ground, any further 
discussion on this is moot.

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Re: PESO - Snowless Shasta

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/5/2007 3:42:42 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Marnie,

>  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/snowless.htm

nice subject  (perhaps for panorama as well), but that cloud, I don't 
know, it seems to  obscure part of the mountaintop...

Nah, I like it!  ;-)

Cheers,

Peter

==
Thanks,  Peter.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  


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RE: combat photography

[John Sessoms]

>
> Interesting.  The show was about USMC combat photographer.
>
>
> A friend's wife just went through the Combat photog school(Army), they 
> were using Canon stuff there.
>
> But the US Navy and Marines has long used Nikon stuff (in fact they kept 
> the Nikon F3 in short run production for several years after it was 
> discntinued on the consumer market).
Now-a-days, the military uses whatever is in the GSA catalog, so you can 
get either Nikon or Canon, depending on what's in stock when they fill 
your requisition.

I took some Army PAO correspondence courses on photography, and the 
course-ware was illustrated with images of a Cannon F1. Actually, the 
course-ware was nothing but the old paper booklets scanned into PDF 
files and an online test.

I already knew the stuff about composition, and camera controls but the 
part about scaling images to fit newspaper columns was interesting; as 
was the information on how to set up a darkroom in a tar-paper shack ... 
and how to design the tar-paper shack to set it up in.

In Iraq, our PAO had a Nikon D100, and some old Sony digital 
point-n-shoot cameras that recorded the images on a mini disk. The 
standard issue Dell laptops came with no image processing software 
installed; not even the CD that came with the Nikon. All you got was 
Windoze XP and M$ Orifice, so the PAO was submitting jpegs straight from 
the camera.

The Army issued Canon A60s to the MPs & anyone else they though might 
need to take pictures for documentation.

I took my own *ist-D and a couple of lenses, along with a PZ-1p for 
backup. Fortunately, I never needed to use the backup, because there was 
no place to get C-41 film processed and I didn't have the kit to set up 
a darkroom for B&W.

I had Photoshop 7 on my personal laptop, along with Irfanview and the 
Pentax Photobrowser.

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Re: Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[Micah Kleit]

Mazel Tov!  It's very good to hear your report; the only thing more  
satisfying, I'm sure, than the fact that you restrain yourself from  
telling these bozos off, is the triumphant rush of victory.

But what did you win?

Micah

On Feb 5, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote:

> And with a Pentax!!
>
> The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for  
> it's 40,000
> plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo  
> contest and at
> the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
> camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each  
> issue, and
> the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the  
> magazine. This
> year's Grand Prize winner is here:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343
>
> Of course, it's mine, and I'm quite proud that I won the thing my  
> first time
> entering a contest. Though the judges didn't know it, I'm a very  
> active
> volunteer, and see a steady stream of Nikon, and worse, Canon,  
> users each
> time I'm there. Too many, particularly of the latter, are strutting,
> pretentious sots, camera club types, who seem bent on acting out some
> fantasy of being serious photographers. Harsh language, I know, but  
> my job
> is to engage them in conversation, and I get terribly tired of  
> smilingly
> indulging that pretension. My revenge is the paragraph in the next  
> issue
> that I get explaining that I shoot with Pentax, not Nikon nor  
> Canon, gear.
> In this case with an ist D, and 180mm f 3.5 Sigma lens.  Take that,  
> you
> weenies!!
>
> BTW, in the past year, I've been seeing more and more Pentax bodies  
> amongst
> the Nikons and Canons, where previously I saw none
>
> Bill Sawyer
> Livonia, MI
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Holy Sureshot, I Actually Won Something...

[Bill Sawyer]

And with a Pentax!!

The Detroit Zoological Society publishes a quarterly glossy for it's 40,000
plus members called "Habitat." Each issue has a themed photo contest and at
the end of the year they award a grand prize winner for the year.  As
camera-types like Zoos, they get several hundred submissions each issue, and
the judging is done by the graphics firm that prepares the magazine. This
year's Grand Prize winner is here:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5010343

Of course, it's mine, and I'm quite proud that I won the thing my first time
entering a contest. Though the judges didn't know it, I'm a very active
volunteer, and see a steady stream of Nikon, and worse, Canon, users each
time I'm there. Too many, particularly of the latter, are strutting,
pretentious sots, camera club types, who seem bent on acting out some
fantasy of being serious photographers. Harsh language, I know, but my job
is to engage them in conversation, and I get terribly tired of smilingly
indulging that pretension. My revenge is the paragraph in the next issue
that I get explaining that I shoot with Pentax, not Nikon nor Canon, gear.
In this case with an ist D, and 180mm f 3.5 Sigma lens.  Take that, you
weenies!!

BTW, in the past year, I've been seeing more and more Pentax bodies amongst
the Nikons and Canons, where previously I saw none

Bill Sawyer
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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/5/2007 5:47:55 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really nice found compositions  - my favorite is potatoes, but all of the 
shots are really strong. I hope  the owner of the store moved on to 
become a food designer - he or she seemed  to set up some nice shots 
(though lighting, framing, composition, were all  in your hands.)

Great stuff!

- MCC

=
Thanks,  Mark. The vegetables were from more than one stand at the Farmer's 
Market (which  is an open air market with booths). So they just make good 
compositions all by  themselves. :-)

Potatoes is my favorite too. Followed closely by the  cucumbers. But the 
potatoes I liked so much I spent a great deal of time  cloning. The original 
pic 
was not tall enough, a slight edge at the top showed  sunlight behind. Blown 
out sunlight on concrete. So I cloned that part  out.

Thanks for looking and for your comments.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

Call any vegetable... and it will respond to you.  Frank  Zappa

=


> I wasn't  trying too hard that day,  but I think that only really shows in 
one 
> of these   photos.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/
>  
> Comments,  welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe
>  
> P.S. One of these has the most extensive  cloning I have done to  date 
> (including telephone wires).
> P.S.P.S. If you are  old  enough you know what the title comes from. :-)  


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[William Robb]

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From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?



> But that's not what this thread was all about.

This thread WAS about the dearth of used Pentax glass available at the 
moment.
Your hijacking notwithstanding.
Until Pentax has a 24x36mm K mount DSLR on the ground, any further 
discussion on this is moot.

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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Still cant come up with a rebuttal on anything on-topic
huh? I already knew you couldnt, so I am not surprised.
jco

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JCO: Blow it out your shorts.

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:02 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?
>
>
>> Your "do not care" argument does not change
>> any of the facts in my post
>
> You ignore the fact that the DA lenses are outperforming FA lenses
> right
> now. What happens in a few years is moot. Some of us want to take  
> pictures
> with the best lenses available to us NOW.
>
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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I think you forgot to say SOME DA lenses
are outperforming SOME FA lenses on APS
digital bodies right now and some of you
want to take pictures on your APS digital
SLR with the best lenses FOR THEM right now.

But that's not what this thread was all about.
I was specifically stating that the some/many FF lenses
will most likely outperform on near future FF digital what
the best DA lenses can do on APS digital which is a
much greater scope of the topic, not just a limited scope
"buy only what works best for today's APS" argument.

jco

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From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?


> Your "do not care" argument does not change
> any of the facts in my post

You ignore the fact that the DA lenses are outperforming FA lenses right

now. What happens in a few years is moot. Some of us want to take
pictures 
with the best lenses available to us NOW.

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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 10, Issue 62

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

Spoken like a true disciple of Red Green.


At 08:43 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: FS
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Message-ID:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>I found my Cole's notes.
>
>God caused a 40 day flood, Canadians put boards around it, waited for
>the deep freeze and invented hockey.:Saved you 300 pages.
>
>
>Dave


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?


> Your "do not care" argument does not change
> any of the facts in my post

You ignore the fact that the DA lenses are outperforming FA lenses right 
now. What happens in a few years is moot. Some of us want to take pictures 
with the best lenses available to us NOW.

William Robb


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

JCO: Blow it out your shorts.

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:02 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?
>
>
>> Your "do not care" argument does not change
>> any of the facts in my post
>
> You ignore the fact that the DA lenses are outperforming FA lenses  
> right
> now. What happens in a few years is moot. Some of us want to take  
> pictures
> with the best lenses available to us NOW.
>
> William Robb


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Re: Sensor cleaning

[Ken Takeshita]

On 2/5/07, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - it's very difficult to see the specs on the sensor so I wound up just
> stabbing at it randomly.

Thanks Mark,

Ah, that's true.  I did not think of it.

Ken

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Re: On the subject of Canons

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 5, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSnc36z4m0A
>
> That's funnier than the bum cursing Canon!

Maybe it's really "Pentax chasing bum" ... !!

G

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Re: Sensor cleaning

[Ken Takeshita]

On 2/5/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'v not heard of this in my area Ken.
>
> I send in my cameras to the manufacture for this, i'm to chicken.
>
> BUT i have tor add this. I have always been able to use a simple
> blower on my Pentax, i have to send in my Nikons for cleaning.
> It could be the Nikons see worser<:-)> conditions.

Thanks dave,

So far, blower is the only thing I need.  Dust situation with K10D is
pretty good, unlike DS2 I had.  But I am one of those who mind dust
(both on sensor and screen) a bit too much :-).

Ken

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Re: On the subject of Canons

[Mark Roberts]

Scott Loveless wrote:

>On 2/5/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This is not office friendly (language warning).
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvvvQ0ic7s
>>
>> Have fun
>>
>Good stuff.  This one is almost as amusing (warning: Pentax content).
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSnc36z4m0A

That's funnier than the bum cursing Canon!


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Re: On the subject of Canons

[David J Brooks]

I knew i bought Nikon for a reason.

LOL

Dave

On 2/5/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/2/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >
> >> That is funny.  Have you posted it to a Canon list?
> >
> >It was posted to the Canon forum at dpreview. We'll see how long before Phil
> >pulls it for denigrating his sponsor.
>
> I just put it up on the EOS list ;-)
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Re: OT: Web hosting horrors

[Mark Roberts]

Mark Cassino wrote:

>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>>> And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest 
>>> version of my Live Oak B&W conversion:
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm
>>>
>>> Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and 
then 
>>> wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it 
or 
>>> not.
>
>Looks like its on it's way - looks pretty good, in fact

Thanks. I think it's very close now. As Godfrey pointed out, this one 
is never really going to make a good web-size rendering, even at a 
large size. It needs to be a big print to convey the texture and detail 
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Re: FS

[K.Takeshita]

On 2/05/07 8:18 PM, "David J Brooks", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I found my Cole's notes.
> 
> God caused a 40 day flood, Canadians put boards around it, waited for
> the deep freeze and invented hockey.:Saved you 300 pages.:-)

LOL :-)

Ken


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Re: Sensor cleaning

[Mark Cassino]

I bought something called the "spec Grabber" here, from Kinetronics. If 
you google them you can find retailers. It looks like it might be 
similar to the item pictured in your link. I found it to be impractical 
- it's very difficult to see the specs on the sensor so I wound up just 
stabbing at it randomly.

HTH -

MCC

K.Takeshita wrote:
> Does anybody know if and where this thing (called Tatamy Stick in Japan) is
> sold in North America?
> 
> http://shop.pentax.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=39357
> 
> It is made (offered) by Pentax and used by their Service Dep't when dust is
> sticky to be removed by normal DR action.
> People who used it report that it removes oily dust etc very easily w/o
> risk.
> Not that I am keenly interested in (I have not had any occasion to require
> this yet), I am curious if anybody is selling this outside of Japan.
> 
> Ken
> 
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Re: PESO - Snowless Shasta

[David J Brooks]

In my uncalibrated ibook, it looks just fine

Dave

On 2/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I went to visit my father's home town last  October, I also wanted to
> get some shots of Mt. Shasta. Scott Valley, where I  went, is NW of Shasta.
>
> So wouldn't you know it had been a very dry year  and there was practically
> no snow?
>
> Taking shots of Shasta was the only  time I went out of my way on that trip
> to take some photographs just to take  some photographs. I had to find the 
> lake
> (not in town), drive around it and find  the private campground that I had
> been told had a beach, pay an entrance fee,  and hike to the beach. Lots of
> work. :-)
>
>
> Nothing special, a tourist  shot, but I did like the  cloud.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/snowless.htm
>
> Comments,  welcome.
>
> I suppose a polarizer would have been a good idea, but I didn't  think of it
> at the time.
>
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Re: GESO - Call Any Vegetable

[Mark Cassino]

Really nice found compositions - my favorite is potatoes, but all of the 
shots are really strong. I hope the owner of the store moved on to 
become a food designer - he or she seemed to set up some nice shots 
(though lighting, framing, composition, were all in your hands.)

Great stuff!

- MCC

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A small gallery, six pictures, from about a year  ago at San Francisco's 
> Farmers' Market.
> 
> This is again from the series of  
> what-I-have-printed-up-recently-and-put-on-my-wall(s). The chard started out 
> as  a much bigger horizontal. But to frame 
> them and put them up I needed another  vertical. So I zoomed in on it and 
> cropped it. I now like the crop better. They  are framed as 6x4s, three in a 
> frame, 
> with three horizontal, and three  vertical.
> 
> This was a camera club outing, a Reed's camera club. Now that  the store went 
> belly up a couple of months ago, the guy that started this club  (and who 
> also taught a lot of classes) is trying to keep it going. I haven't  been 
> since 
> last year, but will this year. I found it fun; it has a  lot fewer rules than 
> more formal camera clubs. 
> 
> Nothing really  exciting, but I have found I really enjoy looking at these 
> pictures on my wall  -- almost more than any other pictures I have up, which 
> is 
> sort of strange.  Well, vegetables have primary colors and basic geometric 
> shapes, so I suppose  that makes them good graphics. Or it is the diet I am 
> on. 
> ;-)
> 
> I wasn't  trying too hard that day, but I think that only really shows in one 
> of these  photos.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/VEGETABLES/
> 
> Comments,  welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe
> 
> P.S. One of these has the most extensive  cloning I have done to date 
> (including telephone wires).
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Re: Pentax to the rescue

[Mark Cassino]

Glad to hear you are OK - no wife or little one in the car, thanksfully, 
I assume.

I don't know how it works in Israel, but if you need photos for the 
insurance adjuster it sounds like you have them them!

Drive defensively -

MCC

Boris Liberman wrote:
> I've had a car crash this morning. The other guy just drove to the red 
> light to my right in such a way that I could only brake and eventually 
> we've hit each other. I'm completely uninjured. Just a scratch on my 
> right knee from the car key or dashboard.
> 
> I've had my camera with me and later I took the pictures of the car, 
> which I shall not publish ;-).
> 
> I am fine, though I am definitely going to have a lesson taught to me in 
> few days to come.
> 
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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[David J Brooks]

Looksw like gmail filters work very well.

Go Godders go

Dave

On 2/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You always miss the point, JCO. You've been missing the point on
> every thread you abscond with for the two years I've been on this
> mailing list because you're obsessed with your and only your point of
> view on anything in the known universe.
>
> Let me respond in little tiny words that even you might be able to
> understand:
>
> I DO NOT CARE.
>
> Do you get it yet? Let me expand:
>
> I don't care what your opinion is, I don't care what you think might
> be the case if Pentax might someday create a new camera that might be
> required to use different lenses, and that those lenses might be to
> the same specification as older FA series lenses. I don't care
> whether there's some theoretical advantage to some lenses on one size
> sensor compared to another. I don't care if said new camera requires
> lenses that need to be imported from Betelgeuse VII.
>
> I specifically don't care if you disagree with the fact that I don't
> agree with you.
>
> I repeat so you can get it through your very very thick skull:
>
> I DO NOT CARE.
>
> Now are you going to run on and on and on and on and on and on for a
> thousand posts like you always do? Sadly, I expect so.
>
> Oh well, I'll just turn my filter back on and ignore you again. You
> acted semi-rationally for about three messages so I turned it off,
> but that obviously an overly hopeful gesture.
>
> g'day,
> Godfrey
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > Your missing the point once again, a FF camera
> > wont need all new lenses to beat the best DA/APS
> > camera combinations. thats the whole advantage of
> > FF, its nowhere near as critical on lens quality
> > as APS is to get same or better quality than best
> > aps possible. Of course better lenses wont hurt,
> > but I doubt that a lot of the old FF lenses can
> > even be signifigantly bettered today. (unlike where
> > they can signifigantly improve a lens vs. FF version by making
> > its image circle smaller like they are doing on DA
> > lenses ).
> > jco
> >
> >> If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide
> >> whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.
> >
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Re: FS

[David J Brooks]

I found my Cole's notes.

God caused a 40 day flood, Canadians put boards around it, waited for
the deep freeze and invented hockey.:Saved you 300 pages.:-)


Dave

On 2/5/07, Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been too busy with grad school to be posting / responding on PDML.
> But later I may get my priorities back in order. :)
>
> Anyway, things have been outrageous lately on eBay.  Seen those 1.7x
> units?  WOW!
> So, in that vein, I've got something that will go for a *reasonable* price.
> A black MX, just a few signs of use, little brassing or other marks,
> meter is accurate, and the shutter release lock is tight.
> Comes with ever-ready case and a nice, very clean M50/2.
> All this for a paltry
> (a) $160 (includes US shipping) or
> (b) $80 + a box of 8x10 Fuji Acros.
>
> More in a couple of weeks.  I now need to begin reading
> my systematic theology for Friday.  Only 400 pages to go ...
> (There is little to compare with the excitement of reading theology,
> apologetics, and philosophy.  G K Chesterson is my new favorite.)
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
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> http://www.brendemuehl.net
> http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com
> http://philosophyforchristians.blogspot.com
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Re: Sensor cleaning

[David J Brooks]

I'v not heard of this in my area Ken.

I send in my cameras to the manufacture for this, i'm to chicken.

BUT i have tor add this. I have always been able to use a simple
blower on my Pentax, i have to send in my Nikons for cleaning.
It could be the Nikons see worser<:-)> conditions.

Dave

On 2/5/07, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anybody know if and where this thing (called Tatamy Stick in Japan) is
> sold in North America?
>
> http://shop.pentax.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=39357
>
> It is made (offered) by Pentax and used by their Service Dep't when dust is
> sticky to be removed by normal DR action.
> People who used it report that it removes oily dust etc very easily w/o
> risk.
> Not that I am keenly interested in (I have not had any occasion to require
> this yet), I am curious if anybody is selling this outside of Japan.
>
> Ken
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Re: OT: Web hosting horrors

[Mark Cassino]

> Mark Roberts wrote:

>> And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest 
>> version of my Live Oak B&W conversion:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm
>>
>> Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then 
>> wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or 
>> not.

Looks like its on it's way - looks pretty good, in fact

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Re: combat photography

[K.Takeshita]

On 2/05/07 7:32 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You'd have thought 16" would have been big enough...
> 
> K.Takeshita wrote:
>> On 2/05/07 6:03 PM, "K.Takeshita", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> This is getting silly, but didn't I give you a salvo of 18 inch naval guns?
>>> That should do, period :-).
>>> 
>> 
>> Just to satisfy the curiosity of some, and for the heck of it, this is a pic
>> of 18 inch cannon whose length is over 7 feet, reaching 42Km target with
>> 330Kg powder charge.  Guns were installed on the world's largest battleship
>> Yamato.
>> 
>> http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yamato/yamato.htm
>> 

But she had 18" (46cm), and never fired in anger against other ships.  One
barrel alone weighed 165 tons of special steel.  So many of them sunk and
the sea bottom must now be the best mine for refined steel :-).  Oh, well...

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RE: PESO - Lake Marmo

[Tim Øsleby]

I prefer the unsharpened version. Much of painting mood that I think suit
the motif very well is gone in the sharpening process. IMO don't do anything
about the softness. 

Tim
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 4. februar 2007 03:55
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Subject: Re: PESO - Lake Marmo

In a message dated 2/3/2007 11:05:13 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks Godfrey, Paul,  David S, Jack D, Tim, Marnie, and Boris for
looking and the comments.  I  was wondering about the sharpness of the
photo as it was taken with the FA28  at f6.7 and should be pretty
sharp.  I went back and put a sharpened  version out there, as I seemed
to have forgotten to use any unsharp mask with  the K10D. I also made a
crop to 100% pixel size and gave it some unsharp mask  also. (60%,
radius 5, threshold 5 on both)

Let me know if this is any  better as sharpened and sent to Picasa, and
if you think I'm getting a sharp  enough original to begin  with.

http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Peso

Regards,   Bob S.

===
It looks better sharpened. And I think that is all  it was, not foggy glass 
or anything. However, having said all that, I am not  sure I would sharpen
it 
as much as you have. It didn't look bad a little soft. I  think, if it was
me, 
I'd sharpen somewhere in between the original and second  verison.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe  


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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[J. C. O'Connell]

And P.S. I never used any personal attacks in my
post but since you insist on doing so, you are
the major "thickhead" ( or another word that rhymes
with that ) for saying you "just "dont care" about
issues regarding your equipment's capability/performance now
AND in the near future. Most people DO CARE which is why
I make my posts. Theres no point in posting on the topic
if you really dont care, which I find incredible.

jco

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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:27 PM
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You always miss the point, JCO. You've been missing the point on  
every thread you abscond with for the two years I've been on this  
mailing list because you're obsessed with your and only your point of  
view on anything in the known universe.

Let me respond in little tiny words that even you might be able to  
understand:

I DO NOT CARE.

Do you get it yet? Let me expand:

I don't care what your opinion is, I don't care what you think might  
be the case if Pentax might someday create a new camera that might be  
required to use different lenses, and that those lenses might be to  
the same specification as older FA series lenses. I don't care  
whether there's some theoretical advantage to some lenses on one size  
sensor compared to another. I don't care if said new camera requires  
lenses that need to be imported from Betelgeuse VII.

I specifically don't care if you disagree with the fact that I don't  
agree with you.

I repeat so you can get it through your very very thick skull:

I DO NOT CARE.

Now are you going to run on and on and on and on and on and on for a  
thousand posts like you always do? Sadly, I expect so.

Oh well, I'll just turn my filter back on and ignore you again. You  
acted semi-rationally for about three messages so I turned it off,  
but that obviously an overly hopeful gesture.

g'day,
Godfrey



On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Your missing the point once again, a FF camera
> wont need all new lenses to beat the best DA/APS
> camera combinations. thats the whole advantage of
> FF, its nowhere near as critical on lens quality
> as APS is to get same or better quality than best
> aps possible. Of course better lenses wont hurt,
> but I doubt that a lot of the old FF lenses can
> even be signifigantly bettered today. (unlike where
> they can signifigantly improve a lens vs. FF version by making its 
> image circle smaller like they are doing on DA lenses ).
> jco
>
>> If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide 
>> whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.
>

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Re: K10D @ ISO 3200

[David Savage]

At 06:27 AM 6/02/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > From: "Jens Bladt"
> > Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a
> > lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the "subject" a lot. Sometimes so
> > much, I
> > cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I
> > shoot Raw)DGN
> > it's probably OK to brighten up later.
>
>Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color
>film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when
>you get to an 11x14 inch print.


What has film got to do with the K10D's lack of ISO 3200?

I can appreciate that in certain situations the advantages of having ISO 
3200 available outweigh it's disadvantages.

I've taken very usable & printable ISO 1600/3200 shots with the *istD 
(after some creative use of noise reduction) & I've taken pictures at ISO 
1600 on the K10D that no amount of noise reduction could help.

Different strokes & all that.

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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Your "do not care" argument does not change
any of the facts in my post and you DID
miss the point, because you dont/wont need
all new lenses with a FF camera to beat APS/DA like
you implied you would ( thus trading
away FF lenses now makes sense for you, when it
doesn't if you want to use a FF camera later
in FF mode).

And of course I am going to reply when
you cant make any counterpoints other
than "you dont care". And I dont
agree with you that most people "dont
care" like you do with regards to
what to keep and what to trade in anticapation
of future needs.

Lastly, if you dont care, then why are
you posting and going out of your
way of criticizing me for posting these
facts ( without anything added to the discussion to
prove them otherwise than your irrellant don't care
comments)?

These are not just theoretical arguments or 
points that dont matter in the real world,
they ARE real world issues related to lens type used
and sensor types used.

jco

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:27 PM
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Subject: Re: NO FS this Friday?


You always miss the point, JCO. You've been missing the point on  
every thread you abscond with for the two years I've been on this  
mailing list because you're obsessed with your and only your point of  
view on anything in the known universe.

Let me respond in little tiny words that even you might be able to  
understand:

I DO NOT CARE.

Do you get it yet? Let me expand:

I don't care what your opinion is, I don't care what you think might  
be the case if Pentax might someday create a new camera that might be  
required to use different lenses, and that those lenses might be to  
the same specification as older FA series lenses. I don't care  
whether there's some theoretical advantage to some lenses on one size  
sensor compared to another. I don't care if said new camera requires  
lenses that need to be imported from Betelgeuse VII.

I specifically don't care if you disagree with the fact that I don't  
agree with you.

I repeat so you can get it through your very very thick skull:

I DO NOT CARE.

Now are you going to run on and on and on and on and on and on for a  
thousand posts like you always do? Sadly, I expect so.

Oh well, I'll just turn my filter back on and ignore you again. You  
acted semi-rationally for about three messages so I turned it off,  
but that obviously an overly hopeful gesture.

g'day,
Godfrey



On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Your missing the point once again, a FF camera
> wont need all new lenses to beat the best DA/APS
> camera combinations. thats the whole advantage of
> FF, its nowhere near as critical on lens quality
> as APS is to get same or better quality than best
> aps possible. Of course better lenses wont hurt,
> but I doubt that a lot of the old FF lenses can
> even be signifigantly bettered today. (unlike where
> they can signifigantly improve a lens vs. FF version by making its 
> image circle smaller like they are doing on DA lenses ).
> jco
>
>> If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide 
>> whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.
>

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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[Tim Øsleby]

Maybe because you spend too much time reading endless debates ;-)


Tim
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W
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To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?

The Pope has a new beard? Why am I always the last to know?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Tim Øsleby
> Sent: 05 February 2007 18:33
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?
> 
> I don't get this. What matters (for me) is that the DA does a 
> similar or
> better job. The reasons why they do are as interesting as the 
> popes new
> beard IMO. 
> But that's just me ;-)
> 
> 
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Re: combat photography

[P. J. Alling]

You'd have thought 16" would have been big enough...

K.Takeshita wrote:
> On 2/05/07 6:03 PM, "K.Takeshita", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> This is getting silly, but didn't I give you a salvo of 18 inch naval guns?
>> That should do, period :-).
>> 
>
> Just to satisfy the curiosity of some, and for the heck of it, this is a pic
> of 18 inch cannon whose length is over 7 feet, reaching 42Km target with
> 330Kg powder charge.  Guns were installed on the world's largest battleship
> Yamato.
>
> http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yamato/yamato.htm
>
> Ken
>
>
>   


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:
> The Pope has a new beard? Why am I always the last to know?
> 
> --
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You beat me.  But I don't even know that I'm a Geordie.

>  
> 
> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of Tim Øsleby
>>Sent: 05 February 2007 18:33
>>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>>Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?
>>
>>I don't get this. What matters (for me) is that the DA does a 
>>similar or
>>better job. The reasons why they do are as interesting as the 
>>popes new
>>beard IMO. 
>>But that's just me ;-)
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: combat photography

[P. J. Alling]

Hey, the Nikon not only won't stop that but you'll cut the photographer, 
(and what ever is standing behind him/her), in half...

Gonz wrote:
> Nah.  Try:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8
>
> rg
>
>
> On 2/4/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Still wimpy, Russian, (WWII), 50 caliber antitank rifle round.
>>
>> K.Takeshita wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2/03/07 5:38 PM, "mike wilson", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
> On 04/02/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>   
>> More likely a .22
>>
>> Or baton round.
>>
>> 
> A BB from a modified air rifle perhaps? ;-)
>
>
>
>   
 Sucker arrow from a toy crossbow?

 
>>> Oh, wimpy ideas!
>>> Let's go big bang!
>>> 7.62 NATO armour piercing incendiary round.  Nikon will take it (no?)
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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[P. J. Alling]

Very dramatic, not the same feel at all in the conversion.  (I keep 
wondering where the "Monster" is and weather the peasant mob with 
torches will enter stage left or right).

Peter Lacus wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've been playing with some test pictures taken with FA-J 18-35 and this 
> is the result - my first B&W conversion:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174232879468002
>
> for comparison the color version is here:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174941549071858
>
> BTW: my opinion about this lens is changing constantly. Some pictures 
> are actually very good (mostly in the 30-35mm range) but other are truly 
> crap. Apparently my sample focuses past infinity which is at least 
> clearly visible in the viewfinder.
>
> Any opinions are welcome!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>   


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Re: PESO - First Day of School

[Ken Takeshita]

On 2/5/07, J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our four year old (I'm nearly five Dad!) had her very first day of school
> yesterday.
>
> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide open.  I
> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e

Those innocent kids are priceless.  The photo captures a bit of
uneasiness she might be feeling, which reminded me of the first school
day of my little girl :-).
Thanks for sharing.

Ken

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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[P. J. Alling]

Ah, where to start.

Bob W wrote:
> The Pope has a new beard? Why am I always the last to know?
>
> --
>  Bob
>  
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Tim Øsleby
>> Sent: 05 February 2007 18:33
>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>> Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?
>>
>> I don't get this. What matters (for me) is that the DA does a 
>> similar or
>> better job. The reasons why they do are as interesting as the 
>> popes new
>> beard IMO. 
>> But that's just me ;-)
>>
>>
>> Tim
>> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>>  
>> 
>
>
>   


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Re: PESO - First Day of School

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Lovely shot, James.

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:47 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:

> Our four year old (I'm nearly five Dad!) had her very first day of  
> school
> yesterday.
>
> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide  
> open.  I
> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e


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Re: PESO - Snowless Shasta

[Peter Lacus]

Hi Marnie,

> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/snowless.htm

nice subject (perhaps for panorama as well), but that cloud, I don't 
know, it seems to obscure part of the mountaintop...

Nah, I like it! ;-)

Cheers,

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[Paul Stenquist]

Nice pic, good conversion.
Paul
On Feb 5, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been playing with some test pictures taken with FA-J 18-35 and  
> this
> is the result - my first B&W conversion:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo? 
> authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174232879468002
>
> for comparison the color version is here:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo? 
> authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174941549071858
>
> BTW: my opinion about this lens is changing constantly. Some pictures
> are actually very good (mostly in the 30-35mm range) but other are  
> truly
> crap. Apparently my sample focuses past infinity which is at least
> clearly visible in the viewfinder.
>
> Any opinions are welcome!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
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Re: PESO - Farquhars Lane

[P. J. Alling]

You need to correct your verticals, and there seems to be a lack of 
contrast, looks sort of lifeless, no punch.

Adam Maas wrote:
> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/379303184/
>
> larger, and for the flickr-phobic:
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/379303184_f52da1c04d_b.jpg
>
> This was the F801, 20/2.8 AF and Silvertone [EMAIL PROTECTED] in FG-7.
>
> -Adam
>
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Re: PESO - Farquhars Lane

[Rick Womer]

Nice photo, but you might consider burning in the
background a sky a bit.

Rick

--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scott Loveless wrote:
> > On 2/5/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/379303184/
> >>
> >> larger, and for the flickr-phobic:
> >>
> >>
>
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/379303184_f52da1c04d_b.jpg
> >>
> >> This was the F801, 20/2.8 AF and Silvertone
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] in FG-7.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> > Cool photo.  Did you get her number?You
> photograph quite a bit
> > in that area.  The flatiron seems prominent in a
> lot of your work.
> > 
> > How do you like the Edwal?  I've never tried it,
> but I'm always
> > looking for something new and exciting.
> > 
> 
> I work just around the corner from the Gooderham
> Flatiron, in fact I was 
> just walking out of the Wendy's while on lunch when
> I shot this.
> 
> The Edwal is interesting. I'm not entirely sold on
> it, but it's the only 
> way to get workable results at 800 from
> APX400/Silvertone 400 that I've 
> found. Not sure if I'll get another bottle though,
> the tonality isn't up 
> to Rodinal.
> 
> -Adam
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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

You always miss the point, JCO. You've been missing the point on  
every thread you abscond with for the two years I've been on this  
mailing list because you're obsessed with your and only your point of  
view on anything in the known universe.

Let me respond in little tiny words that even you might be able to  
understand:

I DO NOT CARE.

Do you get it yet? Let me expand:

I don't care what your opinion is, I don't care what you think might  
be the case if Pentax might someday create a new camera that might be  
required to use different lenses, and that those lenses might be to  
the same specification as older FA series lenses. I don't care  
whether there's some theoretical advantage to some lenses on one size  
sensor compared to another. I don't care if said new camera requires  
lenses that need to be imported from Betelgeuse VII.

I specifically don't care if you disagree with the fact that I don't  
agree with you.

I repeat so you can get it through your very very thick skull:

I DO NOT CARE.

Now are you going to run on and on and on and on and on and on for a  
thousand posts like you always do? Sadly, I expect so.

Oh well, I'll just turn my filter back on and ignore you again. You  
acted semi-rationally for about three messages so I turned it off,  
but that obviously an overly hopeful gesture.

g'day,
Godfrey



On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Your missing the point once again, a FF camera
> wont need all new lenses to beat the best DA/APS
> camera combinations. thats the whole advantage of
> FF, its nowhere near as critical on lens quality
> as APS is to get same or better quality than best
> aps possible. Of course better lenses wont hurt,
> but I doubt that a lot of the old FF lenses can
> even be signifigantly bettered today. (unlike where
> they can signifigantly improve a lens vs. FF version by making
> its image circle smaller like they are doing on DA
> lenses ).
> jco
>
>> If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide
>> whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.
>

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[Rick Womer]

I also prefer the B&W, but on my (calibrated) monitor
the shadows are blocked up.

Rick

--- Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've been playing with some test pictures taken with
> FA-J 18-35 and this 
> is the result - my first B&W conversion:
> 
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174232879468002
> 
> for comparison the color version is here:
> 
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174941549071858
> 
> BTW: my opinion about this lens is changing
> constantly. Some pictures 
> are actually very good (mostly in the 30-35mm range)
> but other are truly 
> crap. Apparently my sample focuses past infinity
> which is at least 
> clearly visible in the viewfinder.
> 
> Any opinions are welcome!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Peter
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Re: K10D @ ISO 3200

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:28 PM, John Francis wrote:

>> Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color
>> film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when
>> you get to an 11x14 inch print.
>
> Portra 800 wasn't bad.  And I certtainly wouldn't call Kodak's 400  
> speed
> version of Portra, or their previous 400 film (what was that?   
> Sentra 400?)
> crap, even for large prints (assuming you think you can go larger than
> 8x12 from 35mm).

I think one ought to be able to get 11x magnification out of film,  
more like 15-16x, but only with film that's of adequate quality,  
properly exposed and processed, focused well. I've seen very little  
ASA 400 color film from 35mm format that I would be happy to make  
11x14 prints with that was more than ASA100.

B&W? Yes; more can make it to a decent sized print at least.

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Re: PESO - First Day of School

[Peter Lacus]

> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide open.  I 
> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e

good eye, James. And first class craftmanship as well.

BTW: I found your message right in the middle of a thread about whether 
are DA lenses sharper than FA and vice versa. Apparently, the winner is 
an old M lens, which needs to be softened digitally because it's too 
sharp even wide open. ;-)

Aren't those Pentax fifties amazing?

Cheers,

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Re: combat photography

[K.Takeshita]

On 2/05/07 6:03 PM, "K.Takeshita", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is getting silly, but didn't I give you a salvo of 18 inch naval guns?
> That should do, period :-).

Just to satisfy the curiosity of some, and for the heck of it, this is a pic
of 18 inch cannon whose length is over 7 feet, reaching 42Km target with
330Kg powder charge.  Guns were installed on the world's largest battleship
Yamato.

http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yamato/yamato.htm

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Re: combat photography

[K.Takeshita]

On 2/05/07 6:03 PM, "K.Takeshita", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is getting silly, but didn't I give you a salvo of 18 inch naval guns?
> That should do, period :-).


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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The B&W has a lot more character compared to the color rendering in  
this instance. Nice job: I like the deep tones.

I've heard rather variable comments about the FA-J 18-35.

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

> http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo? 
> authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174232879468002
>
> for comparison the color version is here:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo? 
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Words, music and pictures

[Bob W]

While surfing I came across Tom Stoddart's site again - I haven't
looked at it for a while. Stoddart is an English photojournalist of
the very highest calibre, and you're probably familiar with some of
his photos, but if you haven't seen his website it's well worth a
detour.

There's some gut-wrenching stuff.

http://www.tomstoddart.com/

I've met him a couple of times. He's a Leica M user and the last time
I met him was when I went to an outdoor exhibition he had a few years
ago. I was carrying my M4-2 and our rangefinders met across a crowded
exhibition space... He's very approachable and friendly, and we
chatted for at least half an hour. But the things he's seen &
photographed are unbelievable. I think he's of the same calibre as
Nachtwey and Salgado.

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Re: combat photography

[K.Takeshita]

This is getting silly, but didn't I give you a salvo of 18 inch naval guns?
That should do, period :-).

Ken

On 2/05/07 5:52 PM, "Gonz", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nah.  Try:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8
> 
> rg
> 
> 
> On 2/4/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Still wimpy, Russian, (WWII), 50 caliber antitank rifle round.
>> 
>> K.Takeshita wrote:
>>> On 2/03/07 5:38 PM, "mike wilson", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
> On 04/02/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>> More likely a .22
>> 
>> Or baton round.
>> 
> A BB from a modified air rifle perhaps? ;-)

> 
 Sucker arrow from a toy crossbow?

>>> 
>>> Oh, wimpy ideas!
>>> Let's go big bang!
>>> 7.62 NATO armour piercing incendiary round.  Nikon will take it (no?)


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[Jack Davis]

Fairly powerful image. Sky suits the contrast and subject particularly
well.
Print has a slightly "scratchy" feel about it. If it's your chosen
style, I think it works nicely with this subject.
Prefer the B&W.

Jack
--- Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've been playing with some test pictures taken with FA-J 18-35 and
> this 
> is the result - my first B&W conversion:
> 
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174232879468002
> 
> for comparison the color version is here:
> 
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174941549071858
> 
> BTW: my opinion about this lens is changing constantly. Some pictures
> 
> are actually very good (mostly in the 30-35mm range) but other are
> truly 
> crap. Apparently my sample focuses past infinity which is at least 
> clearly visible in the viewfinder.
> 
> Any opinions are welcome!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Peter
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Re: PESO - Another sunset - plus 20%

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That rendering does a better job, IMO.
Good stuff!

G

On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:03 PM, John Coyle wrote:

> http://www.members.iinet.net.au/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/IMGP4776A.jpg
> Pentax *ist-D, Sigma 18-35/3.5-4.5 at 18mm and f4.5, 1/60sec @ 200ASA.


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Re: PAW 2007 - 05 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

>>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/05.htm

Thanks to all who sent comments!

On Feb 5, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:
> hmm, my notebook display is 1024x768 so I can see the (bigger) picture
> in two parts. Upper part is not my cup of tea (looks overexposed and
> blurry in the corners), but one "PgDn" later things look quite
> different. So all I can say is that I sorta like the lower part. ;-)

LOL ... Just look at the smaller picture ... That's why I post both  
sizes. ;-)

G

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Re: DA 50-200

[Peter Lacus]

Bill,

> I rarely used long lenses but I got a K10D a DA18-55, DA 50-200, FA43Ltd and
> a F28/2.8 and went to India for the month of January. I found myself using
> the 28 and the 50-200 more than the other lenses. I am very pleased with the
> 50-200 results. It is very sharp, and with SR, the 5.6 limit isn't
> important. I usually left SR on and shot at 8.0. Good results at all focal
> lengths.

may we see some pictures, please?

When I went to India in 1996 all I've had was my brother's Zenit 12XP 
with Helios 58/2 and 5 films. Coincidentally that was also the first 
time I've used a SLR. Few years later I bought my first Pentax, joined 
THE list and found the meaning of the word enablement. Now I am on six 
bodies, about dozen lenses and counting... ;-)

Cheers,

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FS

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

I've been too busy with grad school to be posting / responding on PDML.
But later I may get my priorities back in order. :)

Anyway, things have been outrageous lately on eBay.  Seen those 1.7x 
units?  WOW!
So, in that vein, I've got something that will go for a *reasonable* price.
A black MX, just a few signs of use, little brassing or other marks,
meter is accurate, and the shutter release lock is tight.
Comes with ever-ready case and a nice, very clean M50/2.
All this for a paltry
(a) $160 (includes US shipping) or
(b) $80 + a box of 8x10 Fuji Acros.

More in a couple of weeks.  I now need to begin reading
my systematic theology for Friday.  Only 400 pages to go ...
(There is little to compare with the excitement of reading theology,
apologetics, and philosophy.  G K Chesterson is my new favorite.)



Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
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http://philosophyforchristians.blogspot.com

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Re: combat photography

[Gonz]

Nah.  Try:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8

rg


On 2/4/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Still wimpy, Russian, (WWII), 50 caliber antitank rifle round.
>
> K.Takeshita wrote:
> > On 2/03/07 5:38 PM, "mike wilson", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> On 04/02/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  More likely a .22
> 
>  Or baton round.
> 
> >>> A BB from a modified air rifle perhaps? ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Sucker arrow from a toy crossbow?
> >>
> >
> > Oh, wimpy ideas!
> > Let's go big bang!
> > 7.62 NATO armour piercing incendiary round.  Nikon will take it (no?)
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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[Peter Lacus]

Hello,

I've been playing with some test pictures taken with FA-J 18-35 and this 
is the result - my first B&W conversion:

http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174232879468002

for comparison the color version is here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/placus/Pentax/photo?authkey=3N71J2CknRo#5028174941549071858

BTW: my opinion about this lens is changing constantly. Some pictures 
are actually very good (mostly in the 30-35mm range) but other are truly 
crap. Apparently my sample focuses past infinity which is at least 
clearly visible in the viewfinder.

Any opinions are welcome!


Cheers,

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Re: K10D @ ISO 3200

[John Francis]

On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 01:27:22PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> > Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a
> > lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the "subject" a lot. Sometimes so  
> > much, I
> > cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I  
> > shoot Raw)DGN
> > it's probably OK to brighten up later.
> 
> Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color  
> film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when  
> you get to an 11x14 inch print.

Portra 800 wasn't bad.  And I certtainly wouldn't call Kodak's 400 speed
version of Portra, or their previous 400 film (what was that?  Sentra 400?)
crap, even for large prints (assuming you think you can go larger than
8x12 from 35mm).

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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Your missing the point once again, a FF camera
wont need all new lenses to beat the best DA/APS
camera combinations. thats the whole advantage of
FF, its nowhere near as critical on lens quality
as APS is to get same or better quality than best
aps possible. Of course better lenses wont hurt,
but I doubt that a lot of the old FF lenses can
even be signifigantly bettered today. (unlike where
they can signifigantly improve a lens vs. FF version by making
its image circle smaller like they are doing on DA
lenses ).
jco

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If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide  
whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.

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Sensor cleaning

[K.Takeshita]

Does anybody know if and where this thing (called Tatamy Stick in Japan) is
sold in North America?

http://shop.pentax.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=39357

It is made (offered) by Pentax and used by their Service Dep't when dust is
sticky to be removed by normal DR action.
People who used it report that it removes oily dust etc very easily w/o
risk.
Not that I am keenly interested in (I have not had any occasion to require
this yet), I am curious if anybody is selling this outside of Japan.

Ken


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RE: Hoya lenses

[J. C. O'Connell]

I cant comment on that one, but I think hoya HMC
and tokina RMC lenses are the same thing and I have
several Hoya HMC/ Tokina RMC lenses that are excellent. They made
a really good 28-85 F4, 35-105 F3.5 and 100-300 F5.6
that were identical looking to the tokina RMC versions
and like I said, excellent (when stopped down a little bit like
nearly all zoom lenses). I have had them in both M42 and PK
mounts. These date from early 80's just before the Tokina
AT-X series was launched.
jco

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Subject: RE: Hoya lenses


I had a Hoya 135mm lens in K-mount in the early 1980s. It wasn't crap,
it was shit. 

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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Adam Maas
> Sent: 05 February 2007 14:50
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Hoya lenses
> 
> I understand that there were a few Hoya lenses back in the
> 70's. Nothing 
> special, but not crap either.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> Peter McIntosh wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Does anyone have any information on Hoya lenses?  Not
> filters - lenses.
> > Specifically ones with K mounts.  I've googled and
> yahoo-ed, but to no
> > avail.
> > 
> > Ciao,
> > 
> > Peter in Western Sydney
> > 
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Re: K10D @ ISO 3200

[Jack Davis]

I'm looking forward only to the 50.

J
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash
> photography a
> > lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the "subject" a lot. Sometimes so
>  
> > much, I
> > cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I  
> > shoot Raw)DGN
> > it's probably OK to brighten up later.
> 
> Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color 
> 
> film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when 
> 
> you get to an 11x14 inch print.
> 
> G
> 
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PESO - Another sunset - plus 20%

[John Coyle]

Thanks for the comments, guys.  As suggested by Godfrey, I've adjusted the 
image to lighten the foreground.
http://www.members.iinet.net.au/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/IMGP4776A.jpg

I'd forgotten to include the technical details, for those who are 
interested:
Pentax *ist-D, Sigma 18-35/3.5-4.5 at 18mm and f4.5, 1/60sec @ 200ASA.
Levels adjusted, cropped and perspective corrected, USM at 100%, radius 1 
and threshold 0:  shadows lightened by 20% and highlights cut back by 12% in 
Version A.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia 

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Re: On the subject of Canons

[Norm Baugher]

Welcome to Santa Monica...
Norm

William Robb wrote:
> This is not office friendly (language warning).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvvvQ0ic7s

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Re: PAW 2007 - 05 - GDG

[Peter Lacus]

>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/05.htm

hmm, my notebook display is 1024x768 so I can see the (bigger) picture 
in two parts. Upper part is not my cup of tea (looks overexposed and 
blurry in the corners), but one "PgDn" later things look quite 
different. So all I can say is that I sorta like the lower part. ;-)

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - First Day of School

[Bruce Dayton]

A very poignant moment caught.  I like your presentation, too.  Nice
work!

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Monday, February 5, 2007, 12:47:06 PM, you wrote:

JaKM> Our four year old (I'm nearly five Dad!) had her very first day of school
JaKM> yesterday.

JaKM> This was captured in an unguarded moment with the M50mm f1.7 wide open.  I
JaKM> have also softened it a bit in photoshop.

JaKM> http://tinyurl.com/2leo5e

JaKM> Comments and critique welcome.

JaKM> Cheers

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RE: NO FS this Friday?

[Bob W]

> 
> 
> The Pope has a new beard? Why am I always the last to know?
> 
> Yer probably an Anglican.
> 

I'm half Catholic. They should at least tell me about his moustache.

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Re: PESO:the gearwheel

[Stephen Moore]

Markus Maurer wrote:

> Part of an old water barrage for the river Limmat in Zurich are some nice
> looking gearwheels:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5540576&size=lg (251kb)
> 

Markus, I do like this a lot: the interplay of light, shadow and color,
as well as the fine detail (cobwebs, etc.). Good eye!

There's something kinda...uh...*Stenquistian* about it, too.  ;-)

Best regards,
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Re: PESO - Farquhars Lane

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/5/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I work just around the corner from the Gooderham Flatiron, in fact I was
> just walking out of the Wendy's while on lunch when I shot this.
>
> The Edwal is interesting. I'm not entirely sold on it, but it's the only
> way to get workable results at 800 from APX400/Silvertone 400 that I've
> found. Not sure if I'll get another bottle though, the tonality isn't up
> to Rodinal.
>
Most of mine are processed in HC-110 or D-76.  I really prefer the
D-76, but the HC-110 seems to work a little better for pushing the
film.  I played around with Ilfosol at one time, and really liked it,
but I don't shoot enough slow film to justify keeping it around.  It
doesn't keep well and I found that I had to frequently increase my dev
times.

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MARK! Re: NO FS this Friday?

[Tom C]

William Robb wrote:

"The future will look out for itself, and I'll reckon with it when I need 
to."

:-)


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>From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: NO FS this Friday?
>Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:17:07 -0600
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "J. C. O'Connell"
>Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?
>
>
> > But you wont be able to if you traded away all your Pentax
> > FF lenses for DA lenses will you without buying them
> > all over again!
>
>You are, of course, presuming that there is a 24x36mm sensor in a K mount
>camera in the future.
>So far, the DA lenses that I have used have been better lenses on digital
>than their "FF" cousins. This tells me that if I want the best I can get
>right now, DA lenses are the best option.
>The future will look out for itself, and I'll reckon with it when I need 
>to.
>
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>
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Re: PESO - Farquhars Lane

[Adam Maas]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 2/5/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/379303184/
>>
>> larger, and for the flickr-phobic:
>>
>> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/379303184_f52da1c04d_b.jpg
>>
>> This was the F801, 20/2.8 AF and Silvertone [EMAIL PROTECTED] in FG-7.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
> Cool photo.  Did you get her number?You photograph quite a bit
> in that area.  The flatiron seems prominent in a lot of your work.
> 
> How do you like the Edwal?  I've never tried it, but I'm always
> looking for something new and exciting.
> 

I work just around the corner from the Gooderham Flatiron, in fact I was 
just walking out of the Wendy's while on lunch when I shot this.

The Edwal is interesting. I'm not entirely sold on it, but it's the only 
way to get workable results at 800 from APX400/Silvertone 400 that I've 
found. Not sure if I'll get another bottle though, the tonality isn't up 
to Rodinal.

-Adam

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Re: K10D @ ISO 3200

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a
> lot. Not pretty - and it disturbs the "subject" a lot. Sometimes so  
> much, I
> cant take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I  
> shoot Raw)DGN
> it's probably OK to brighten up later.

Whatever did you do when you were shooting with 35mm film? Any color  
film over ASA 800 is pretty much crap, and even ASA 400 is crap when  
you get to an 11x14 inch print.

G


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?


> But you wont be able to if you traded away all your Pentax
> FF lenses for DA lenses will you without buying them
> all over again!

You are, of course, presuming that there is a 24x36mm sensor in a K mount 
camera in the future.
So far, the DA lenses that I have used have been better lenses on digital 
than their "FF" cousins. This tells me that if I want the best I can get 
right now, DA lenses are the best option.
The future will look out for itself, and I'll reckon with it when I need to.

William Robb 


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "K.Takeshita"
Subject: Re: NO FS this Friday?


>
>> If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide
>> whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.
>
> Of course "everybody" here thinks so, but saying so will turn everybody 
> off
> too, Godfrey :-).  It's just a fun discussion, and nothing more.

JCO is involved. Fun is guaranteed.

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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 
Subject: RE: NO FS this Friday?


The Pope has a new beard? Why am I always the last to know?

Yer probably an Anglican.

William Robb

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Re: K10D @ ISO 3200

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt"
Subject: RE: K10D @ ISO 3200


> Darned - I do lots of ISO 3200 shots. I don't like flash photography a 
> lot.
> Not pretty - and it disturbs the "subject" a lot. Sometimes so much, I 
> cant
> take pictures. I guess I could underexpose by one stop. If I shoot Raw)DGN
> it's probably OK to brighten up later.

You might find that this works farily well. I just did a Q&D shot of my 
living room at ISO1600, with 1 stop of under exposure keyed into the 
exposure comp.
The results were really noisy, so I ran the file through a heavy handed 
noise reduction.
It doesn't look quite real anymore, but if I had to shoot that way, I expect 
I would spend more time perfecting the NR I applied.
Kodak (through Applied Science Fiction) has a PS plug in called Digital Gem, 
which works surprisingly well for removing noise.

William Robb 


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Re: NO FS this Friday?

[K.Takeshita]

On 2/05/07 3:58 PM, "Godfrey DiGiorgi", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If a new camera that requires new lenses comes out, I'll decide
> whether to buy it and whatever new lenses I need for it at that time.

Of course "everybody" here thinks so, but saying so will turn everybody off
too, Godfrey :-).  It's just a fun discussion, and nothing more.

Ken


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Re: PESO - Farquhars Lane

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/5/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/379303184/
>
> larger, and for the flickr-phobic:
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/379303184_f52da1c04d_b.jpg
>
> This was the F801, 20/2.8 AF and Silvertone [EMAIL PROTECTED] in FG-7.
>
> -Adam
>
Cool photo.  Did you get her number?You photograph quite a bit
in that area.  The flatiron seems prominent in a lot of your work.

How do you like the Edwal?  I've never tried it, but I'm always
looking for something new and exciting.

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Re: On the subject of Canons

[Cotty]

On 5/2/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is not office friendly (language warning).
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvvvQ0ic7s
>
>Have fun

LOL

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