Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Thibouille]

That's was the point of my post it really wasn't obvious enough.

2007/9/26, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ah but M means miniature!
>
> Bob Blakely wrote:
> > All reflex are M or K. There is no aperture adjustment to control.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob...
> > 
> > "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . .
> > it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
> > What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow."
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Thibouille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >
> >> And this is a M serie? hehe :)
> >>
> >> 2007/9/25, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >>> Not giving anything away since it's a buy it now, but heres something to
> >>> point to if someone says Pentax doesn't have any long lenses available.
> >>> (Get you checkbooks out).
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2xyq5s
> >>>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Rebekah wrote:
>> Why do you need a ~huge~ photo bag?
>
> film. ;)

Hmm. I'm using the same Domke F5XB bag I used to carry my Nikon FM  
and Leica M6 in...
Camera, two/three lenses, and a half dozen rolls of film fit without  
too much problem.

G



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Re: PESO: Diaphanous

[Gonz]

Love the gradient from one corner to the other.  I like it.

I love the title.  ;)



On 9/25/07, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys, another picture of the little rug rat.  Title courtesy of my
> father  :)
>
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> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5114307944771333234
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> comments and critiques welcome
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Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum

[P. J. Alling]

Long ago and far away when I was a graduate student, my University still 
had keypunch machines and card readers, just in case. However my horror 
story doesn't really involve those.

I worked the midnight to 4AM shift two days a week to help pay for my 
Masters, as an assistant administrator. My job was to take in card 
decks, set them up in the reader match them up with the printed output 
and file them until the user picked them up, and give out the correct 
cards and output to users, (and yes some did show up between midnight an 
4am). In between I kept track of our high speed IBM printers and reload 
them with paper when they'd alarm and the "soundproof" covers would 
clamshell open, and keep track of the system to make sure all was well, 
(not that I was authorized to actually fix problems, I was supposed to 
call a "real" administrator to press the reset button)

One night I wasn't keeping as close track of paper supplies as I should 
have, and one of the decks was running low. I had just had delivered a 
really greasy Greek style pizza and had placed the box on top of one of 
the "soundproof" covers. Wonder of wonders it had arrived hot, to hot to 
eat in fact. So while I waited for it to cool I put my feet up on a desk 
and was reading my experimental statistics book. Suddenly a bell begins 
to ring, and I watched with helpless horror, as the printer cover clam 
shelled open, dumping my dinner face down on the floor.

ann sanfedele wrote:
> John Graves wrote:
>
>   
>> Attempt 2 at humor.  I won't repeat what my wife says.   John G.
>>
>> How many people understand the phrase "I just dropped the deck and 
>> sorter is down"?
>>
>> John
>>  
>>
>> 
>
> ah you DO know what a keypunch is!  --
> (I'm late getting back to this )
>
> I have lots of stories about those days... among them was from my boss 
> who once worked for the
> palce where they processeed SAT's  - He had a sorter jamb and a couple 
> of thousand kids had to take
> the exams over... most of they were probably glad.
>
> I think I'll have to add my 'GOOD OLD DAYS"  t shirt design to my 
> cafepress store
>
> ann
>
>   
>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>  
>>
>> 
>>> Rick Womer wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Didn't find a time machine, just lost my ability to
 type accurately.  That should have been 2004!



  

 
>>> Ahha!  Rick uses the number pad to type numbers  - he probably even 
>>> remembers what
>>> a keypunch is.
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 --- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




  

 
>> I chose something from November 2007.
>> 
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>> 
> Found a time machine have we ?
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Upcoming October PUG and ultimatum
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>> Okay, I submitted a PUG.  It had -nothing- to do
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>> A paucity of digital autumn pix caused me to dive
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>> my slides for the first time in months.  I chose
>> something from November 2007.  Boy, am I ever out
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>> practice with scanning!
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>> Rick
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Re: OT - Pythonesque 2

[P. J. Alling]

The first amendment: "Congress shall make no law... or abridging the 
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably 
to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of 
grievances." This doesn't seem to cover meetings held on private 
property where the owners can have idiots ejected or arrested for 
trespass, simply by revoking their permission for said idiot to be 
there. Secondly he didn't seem to petitioning the government, just 
badgering a public official. The fact that the cops who were called by 
the management over reacted is not per se a violation of the idiots 
freedom of speech, certainly not by congress, or the state government, 
.though he may have basis for an action against those police officers 
for battery.

John Sessoms wrote:
> From: "P. J. Alling"
>   
>> You forgot that the student was a idiot as well.
>> 
>
> Yeah, but last time I looked, the 1st Amendment didn't make an exemption 
> for idiots.
>
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Re: New computer

[John Sessoms]

From: Doug Franklin

> Walter Hamler wrote:
> 
>> > My question is, is it feasible to buy one of those external enclosures to
>> > make an external HD using the sata drive that is in the old computer? Since
>> > it is a sata drive, I was hoping that if I could enclose it and hook it to
>> > either a desktop or my laptop, it might be a good external drive. If not, I
>> > can always put it in the new computer as an extra drive.
> 
> Sure.  Get an enclosure with a e-SATA port.  You'll need an e-SATA port
> on the computer end, too.  You'll have to check the motherboard specs to
> see if it offers e-SATA.  If it doesn't, I think you can get a PCI card
> that will provide an e-SATA port.


Or just get an enclosure that takes a SATA drive and connects via USB or 
Firewire.


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Re: OT - Pythonesque 2

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling"
> You forgot that the student was a idiot as well.

Yeah, but last time I looked, the 1st Amendment didn't make an exemption 
for idiots.

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Doug Franklin]

P. J. Alling wrote:

> I had a film scanner and Photo Printer long before I had a digital 
> camera. The DSLR was a minor expense. (I did have to upgrade my computer 
> system eventually, but hey it was outdated anyway)...

Same here.  Digital capture is /so/ much less hassle than scanning film.

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Re: Processing very old color movie film?

[John Sessoms]

From: mike wilson

> If it is Kodachrome, there is a Swiss lab still processing it.  You
> would only pay the standard charge.  Not sure if it deals with the
> USA but there are ways round that


The Swiss lab is no more. It's just a mail drop. Film sent to the Swiss 
lab is forwarded to Dwaynes in Kansas, USA for processing.

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Rebekah]

>Why do you need a ~huge~ photo bag?

film. ;)

rg2

On 9/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Rebekah wrote:
> >> Some of those old lenses still work pretty darned well.
> >
> > It's all manual in my ~huge~ photo bag.
>
> Why do you need a ~huge~ photo bag?
> I'm pretty content with a couple of small lenses and a camera body.
>
> G
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Rebekah wrote:
>> Some of those old lenses still work pretty darned well.
>
> It's all manual in my ~huge~ photo bag.

Why do you need a ~huge~ photo bag?
I'm pretty content with a couple of small lenses and a camera body.

G



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Re: PESO - Something Different

[Mark Cassino]

Nie shot, Ken - I like the motion blur in both the
water & sky (from panning)and the blur in the wings -
with what appear to be very sharp geese otherwise.

Reminds me of wildlife paintings that portray birds in
flight - nice!

- MCC

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> Trying for something different on an often
> photographed subject.
> 
> K10D, 600mm SMC  FA, 1/15 sec @ f8, 200 ISO with
> Kirk King Cobra head on 
> Gitzo 1548 tripod
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

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In a message dated 9/25/2007 4:05:08 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I welcome any and all  advice or commentary :-)

Thanks,
Glen

===
I got the  K100D and like it (though I sort of wish I'd waited a month for 
the K100D super,  but I didn't know it was coming out). It is very like the DS 
but with  Anti-Shake. I got it at discount, when it was discounted, and felt it 
was a lot  of bang for the buck.

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Re: Attention AOL users

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In a message dated 9/25/2007 7:29:35 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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> And Marnie,  clean out your mailbox.
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> XOXO
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Well, since you said it with hugs and  kisses...

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

Easy for you to say...

David Savage wrote:
> At 09:50 AM 26/09/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>   
>> If you let it become a financial black
>> hole, don't blame the technology. ;-)
>> 
>
> Yeah.
>
> Blame Canada.
>
> Cheers,
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>
>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Paul Stenquist]

I used to shoot about half a dozen rolls of film a week. The amount  
I've saved on film and processing since buying my first DSLR has paid  
for it five times over. However, even with film, I was doing my own  
printing. If  you're going to get serious about photography, you have  
to maintain a level of control. Or you have to be wealthy enough to  
engage the services of top shelf printers.
Paul
On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote:

> Good commentary, Godfrey.  Have you read Rebekah's remarks?  I tend
> to think that this is just another financial black hole.  On the
> surface, I think: great! I can just get a good deal on a DSLR, buy a
> rreasonably-priced printer, hook it up to my IMac, and make as many
> prints as I wish, but then there are those "hidden" costs...ink,
> paper, software, and who knows what else...
>
> Perhaps this is why I have tried to remain ignorant of the DSLR world.
>
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?
>>
>> You're asking these questions as if you knew nothing at all, which I
>> suspect isn't quite true.
>>
>> - No scanner is used when you're using a digital camera. Scanners are
>> used to capture film and print images into digital images. A digital
>> camera produces digital images.
>>
>> - You print a digital camera's photos the same way you print anything
>> else: to a printer connected to either camera or computer, to an
>> online print service having moved the image files from camera to
>> computer, or by using a printer kiosk at a local store.
>>
>> - If you have an iMac, you connect the camera to the computer with
>> its supplied cable. By default, iPhoto (supplied on every Apple
>> system by default) will start up and download all the photographs so
>> you can sort, show, and print them, to either a connected printer via
>> a print service on the internet.
>>
>>> And, finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or
>>> D50, I gather?
>>
>> A matter of opinion. They all work well at the level of questions you
>> are posing. If you already have Pentax lenses, it makes sense to buy
>> a Pentax DSLR: it will save you money. If you don't have Pentax
>> lenses, pick whichever one feels best in your hands and enjoy it ...
>> they all work better than the majority of owners can exploit.
>>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[David Savage]

At 09:50 AM 26/09/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>If you let it become a financial black
>hole, don't blame the technology. ;-)

Yeah.

Blame Canada.

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Re: OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[Rebekah]

fine :)~ sue me.

On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wasn't trying to be so obvious...
>
> Rebekah wrote:
> > a bandsaw, perhaps?  ;)
> >
> > rg2
> >
> > On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> There's no such thing as vertical banding, that's just an old saw...
> >>
> >> Rebekah wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do those create much verticle banding, I wonder?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> rg2
> >>>
> >>> On 9/25/07, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcwathieu/1008140999/in/set-809983/
> 
>  Not the sharpest lenses, I assume. ;)
> 
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR


> Good commentary, Godfrey.  Have you read Rebekah's remarks?  I tend
> to think that this is just another financial black hole.  On the
> surface, I think: great! I can just get a good deal on a DSLR, buy a
> rreasonably-priced printer, hook it up to my IMac, and make as many
> prints as I wish, but then there are those "hidden" costs...ink,
> paper, software, and who knows what else...
>
> Perhaps this is why I have tried to remain ignorant of the DSLR world.

The upside of digital is that your film costs decrease rather dramatically, 
and while not the ideal way to do it, one can shoot jpegs and just use 
commercially available photo labs. Even most of the department store labs 
such as Wal-Mart can do a decent job of printing digital, often better than 
they print film, especially since optical printing is pretty much no longer 
available.

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Re: OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[P. J. Alling]

I wasn't trying to be so obvious...

Rebekah wrote:
> a bandsaw, perhaps?  ;)
>
> rg2
>
> On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> There's no such thing as vertical banding, that's just an old saw...
>>
>> Rebekah wrote:
>> 
>>> Do those create much verticle banding, I wonder?
>>>
>>>
>>> rg2
>>>
>>> On 9/25/07, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcwathieu/1008140999/in/set-809983/

 Not the sharpest lenses, I assume. ;)

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Adam Maas]

Get a scanner, and you can do the same with your film stuff. All my film 
work (and I'm only shooting film now) is scanned and printed with an 
inkjet. It works pretty well for me.

-Adam


Glen Tortorella wrote:
> Good commentary, Godfrey.  Have you read Rebekah's remarks?  I tend  
> to think that this is just another financial black hole.  On the  
> surface, I think: great! I can just get a good deal on a DSLR, buy a  
> rreasonably-priced printer, hook it up to my IMac, and make as many  
> prints as I wish, but then there are those "hidden" costs...ink,  
> paper, software, and who knows what else...
> 
> Perhaps this is why I have tried to remain ignorant of the DSLR world.
> 
> Thanks,
> Glen
> 
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?
>> You're asking these questions as if you knew nothing at all, which I
>> suspect isn't quite true.
>>
>> - No scanner is used when you're using a digital camera. Scanners are
>> used to capture film and print images into digital images. A digital
>> camera produces digital images.
>>
>> - You print a digital camera's photos the same way you print anything
>> else: to a printer connected to either camera or computer, to an
>> online print service having moved the image files from camera to
>> computer, or by using a printer kiosk at a local store.
>>
>> - If you have an iMac, you connect the camera to the computer with
>> its supplied cable. By default, iPhoto (supplied on every Apple
>> system by default) will start up and download all the photographs so
>> you can sort, show, and print them, to either a connected printer via
>> a print service on the internet.
>>
>>> And, finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or
>>> D50, I gather?
>> A matter of opinion. They all work well at the level of questions you
>> are posing. If you already have Pentax lenses, it makes sense to buy
>> a Pentax DSLR: it will save you money. If you don't have Pentax
>> lenses, pick whichever one feels best in your hands and enjoy it ...
>> they all work better than the majority of owners can exploit.
>>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Printing photos via computer/web/printer costs no more than having  
prints made at the photofinisher. It costs less in many cases,  
presuming a minimum level of competent computer/printer equipment  
(which you already have, it seems). Whether you want to spend more to  
get more out of a digital camera is up to you.

For my use, a digital camera's reusable storage media has cost me far  
less than was I was paying for film, processing C41, and B&W  
processing chemistry. And proves a HUGE savings in time.

But again, it's completely up to you to manage what you want to spend  
and at what level you want to do photography. Photography has always  
been an expensive endeavor. If you let it become a financial black  
hole, don't blame the technology. ;-)

Godfrey


On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote:

> Good commentary, Godfrey.  Have you read Rebekah's remarks?  I tend
> to think that this is just another financial black hole.  On the
> surface, I think: great! I can just get a good deal on a DSLR, buy a
> rreasonably-priced printer, hook it up to my IMac, and make as many
> prints as I wish, but then there are those "hidden" costs...ink,
> paper, software, and who knows what else...
>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

Though I am replacing my Second Version Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm with 
the Third version, Curse You Mark Roberts, (and spending too much money 
doing it damn damn damn mutter mutter mutter...)

P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm still using most of my manual lenses, (for some of them there are no 
> "modern" replacements.
>
> Rebekah wrote:
>   
>> oh sure, and then your manual lenses became 'outdated' too ;)
>>
>> rg2
>>
>> On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I had a film scanner and Photo Printer long before I had a digital
>>> camera. The DSLR was a minor expense. (I did have to upgrade my computer
>>> system eventually, but hey it was outdated anyway)...
>>>
>>> Rebekah wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
> Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>
> 
>   
 just think of it this way: you're going to end up enabling yourself
 with a printer.  Then you're going to need to buy special paper,
 special ink, and a special program to calibrate your monitor, as well
 as a photoshop program.  Or, you can get them printed at a nearby
 store or online like doug said, but I have trouble believing anyone
 here does that or plans to for long.  So, unless you're happy with
 looking at your pictures on your computer screen, it seems like the
 price to purchase a digital camera goes way beyond the initial price
 tag and will induce a possible enabling frenzy.  Enable away dude!  ;)


 rg2





 On 9/25/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   
 
> Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
> ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
> lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
> outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
> battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a slightly
> larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
> Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
> compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
> dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
> smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.
>
> -Adam
> Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
> most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> 
>   
>> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
>> Favorably.
>>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>>
>>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
>>> gather?
>>>
>>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
 as "best
 begommer budget DSLR"


 Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?

 Answer
 You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
 capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
 shoot,
 but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
 I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
 seemed
 silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
 camera
 for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
 right
 around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.

 I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
 take into
 account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
 variety of
 shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
 professional photographers for years.
>>>

Re: OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[Rebekah]

a bandsaw, perhaps?  ;)

rg2

On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's no such thing as vertical banding, that's just an old saw...
>
> Rebekah wrote:
> > Do those create much verticle banding, I wonder?
> >
> >
> > rg2
> >
> > On 9/25/07, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcwathieu/1008140999/in/set-809983/
> >>
> >> Not the sharpest lenses, I assume. ;)
> >>
> >> John
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

I'm still using most of my manual lenses, (for some of them there are no 
"modern" replacements.

Rebekah wrote:
> oh sure, and then your manual lenses became 'outdated' too ;)
>
> rg2
>
> On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I had a film scanner and Photo Printer long before I had a digital
>> camera. The DSLR was a minor expense. (I did have to upgrade my computer
>> system eventually, but hey it was outdated anyway)...
>>
>> Rebekah wrote:
>> 
 Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
 turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?

 
>>> just think of it this way: you're going to end up enabling yourself
>>> with a printer.  Then you're going to need to buy special paper,
>>> special ink, and a special program to calibrate your monitor, as well
>>> as a photoshop program.  Or, you can get them printed at a nearby
>>> store or online like doug said, but I have trouble believing anyone
>>> here does that or plans to for long.  So, unless you're happy with
>>> looking at your pictures on your computer screen, it seems like the
>>> price to purchase a digital camera goes way beyond the initial price
>>> tag and will induce a possible enabling frenzy.  Enable away dude!  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> rg2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
 ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
 lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
 outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
 battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a slightly
 larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
 Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
 compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
 dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
 smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.

 -Adam
 Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
 most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.


 P. J. Alling wrote:

 
> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
> Favorably.
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>
>   
>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>
>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
>> gather?
>>
>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Glen
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
>>> as "best
>>> begommer budget DSLR"
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>>>
>>> Answer
>>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
>>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
>>> shoot,
>>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
>>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
>>> seemed
>>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
>>> camera
>>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
>>> right
>>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>>>
>>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
>>> take into
>>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
>>> variety of
>>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
>>> professional photographers for years.
>>>
>>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
>>> some
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
>>> on a
>>> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
>>> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
>>> significantly
>>> more affordable.
>>>
>>> The Pentax K100D is the

Re: OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[P. J. Alling]

There's no such thing as vertical banding, that's just an old saw...

Rebekah wrote:
> Do those create much verticle banding, I wonder?
>
>
> rg2
>
> On 9/25/07, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcwathieu/1008140999/in/set-809983/
>>
>> Not the sharpest lenses, I assume. ;)
>>
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
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> Not sure what you're saying, Bill. Panasonic (Matsushita) and Fuji  
> are two separate companies.
> 
> Fuji definitely has a lot of optical expertise.

I think Adam summed it up quite nicely.
Confusion R us.
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Rebekah]

>Some of those old lenses still work pretty darned well.

It's all manual in my ~huge~ photo bag.

rg2

On 9/25/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Glen Tortorella"
> Subject: Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR
>
>
> > Wow, Rebekah, you have hit the nail on the head here.  Once this
> > discussion got going, I started thinking the same thing: enablement
> > city!  I fear of the $$$...
>
>
> That little web page of my dogs running up and down the beach in BC, the
> pictures were all shot with a Pentax K105/2.8 lens.
> Some of those old lenses still work pretty darned well.
>
> William Robb
>
> >
> > On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Rebekah wrote:
> >
> >> oh sure, and then your manual lenses became 'outdated' too ;)
>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Adam Maas]

The D40 is the newer model, it replaced the D50. However the D50 is 
technically a slightly higher-end camera (It has a better AF unit and a 
couple extra controls) but the D40 gained a lot from being a newer model 
(Notably the better viewfinder, much larger buffer, better IQ, ISO3200, 
better high ISO performance). The D40 is also notably as being the first 
consumer SLR since the FE and FM that can mount pre-AI lenses.

Unless you've got a stock of older screwdriver-drive AF lenses or a 
stack of EN-EL3 batteries, the D40's probably the better buy.

-Adam


Glen Tortorella wrote:
> This is valuable feedback, Adam.  I am a bit confused with regard to  
> the hierarchy of the D40 and D50.  Which is the newer model (or were  
> they released at the same time)?  Also, which is higher up in the  
> line?  I have been under the impression that the D50 is the higher  
> model.
> 
> Thanks,
> Glen
> 
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
>> Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
>> ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
>> lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
>> outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
>> battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a  
>> slightly
>> larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
>> Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
>> compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
>> dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
>> smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.
>>
>> -Adam
>> Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
>> most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.
>>
>>
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
>>> Favorably.
>>>
>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
 What a timely post, Larry!

 While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
 this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
 has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
 DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
 prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
 turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
 Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
 scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
 supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
 finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
 gather?

 I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)

 Thanks,
 Glen


 On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:


> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
> as "best
> begommer budget DSLR"
>
>
> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>
> Answer
> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you  
> take and
> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
> shoot,
> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
> seemed
> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
> camera
> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
> right
> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>
> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
> take into
> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
> variety of
> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
> professional photographers for years.
>
> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
> some
> perspective.
>
>
> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
> on a
> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D  
> Super, the
> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
> significantly
> more affordable.
>
> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that  
> also
> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
> camera's
> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.
> While you
> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter
> speeds with
> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a
> lot of
> blurry shots.
>
> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it
> works with
> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
>
>
> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megap

Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Glen Tortorella"
Subject: Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR


> Wow, Rebekah, you have hit the nail on the head here.  Once this
> discussion got going, I started thinking the same thing: enablement
> city!  I fear of the $$$...


That little web page of my dogs running up and down the beach in BC, the 
pictures were all shot with a Pentax K105/2.8 lens.
Some of those old lenses still work pretty darned well.

William Robb

>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Rebekah wrote:
>
>> oh sure, and then your manual lenses became 'outdated' too ;)



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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Glen Tortorella]

Good commentary, Godfrey.  Have you read Rebekah's remarks?  I tend  
to think that this is just another financial black hole.  On the  
surface, I think: great! I can just get a good deal on a DSLR, buy a  
rreasonably-priced printer, hook it up to my IMac, and make as many  
prints as I wish, but then there are those "hidden" costs...ink,  
paper, software, and who knows what else...

Perhaps this is why I have tried to remain ignorant of the DSLR world.

Thanks,
Glen

On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?
>
> You're asking these questions as if you knew nothing at all, which I
> suspect isn't quite true.
>
> - No scanner is used when you're using a digital camera. Scanners are
> used to capture film and print images into digital images. A digital
> camera produces digital images.
>
> - You print a digital camera's photos the same way you print anything
> else: to a printer connected to either camera or computer, to an
> online print service having moved the image files from camera to
> computer, or by using a printer kiosk at a local store.
>
> - If you have an iMac, you connect the camera to the computer with
> its supplied cable. By default, iPhoto (supplied on every Apple
> system by default) will start up and download all the photographs so
> you can sort, show, and print them, to either a connected printer via
> a print service on the internet.
>
>> And, finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or
>> D50, I gather?
>
> A matter of opinion. They all work well at the level of questions you
> are posing. If you already have Pentax lenses, it makes sense to buy
> a Pentax DSLR: it will save you money. If you don't have Pentax
> lenses, pick whichever one feels best in your hands and enjoy it ...
> they all work better than the majority of owners can exploit.
>
> Godfrey
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Re: darkroom ventilation

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: darkroom ventilation


>I deliberately left the door a bit loose for air circulation, but it was
>>on the other side of the 2x8 wall, and so the light leakage was between 
>>non
>>existent and insignificant.
>>My wife could bring me a cup of tea while I was printing, with no worries
>>about making sure no paper was out before she opened the door.

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[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas" 
Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica



>> 
>> 
> 
> Bill,
> I'm pretty sure Godders was talking about Panasonic, not Fuji.
> 

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Glen Tortorella wrote:
> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?

You're asking these questions as if you knew nothing at all, which I  
suspect isn't quite true.

- No scanner is used when you're using a digital camera. Scanners are  
used to capture film and print images into digital images. A digital  
camera produces digital images.

- You print a digital camera's photos the same way you print anything  
else: to a printer connected to either camera or computer, to an  
online print service having moved the image files from camera to  
computer, or by using a printer kiosk at a local store.

- If you have an iMac, you connect the camera to the computer with  
its supplied cable. By default, iPhoto (supplied on every Apple  
system by default) will start up and download all the photographs so  
you can sort, show, and print them, to either a connected printer via  
a print service on the internet.

> And, finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or  
> D50, I gather?

A matter of opinion. They all work well at the level of questions you  
are posing. If you already have Pentax lenses, it makes sense to buy  
a Pentax DSLR: it will save you money. If you don't have Pentax  
lenses, pick whichever one feels best in your hands and enjoy it ...  
they all work better than the majority of owners can exploit.

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Glen Tortorella]

This is valuable feedback, Adam.  I am a bit confused with regard to  
the hierarchy of the D40 and D50.  Which is the newer model (or were  
they released at the same time)?  Also, which is higher up in the  
line?  I have been under the impression that the D50 is the higher  
model.

Thanks,
Glen

On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
> ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
> lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
> outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
> battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a  
> slightly
> larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
> Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
> compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
> dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
> smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.
>
> -Adam
> Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
> most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
>> Favorably.
>>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>>
>>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
>>> gather?
>>>
>>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
 as "best
 begommer budget DSLR"


 Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?

 Answer
 You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you  
 take and
 capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
 shoot,
 but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
 I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
 seemed
 silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
 camera
 for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
 right
 around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.

 I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
 take into
 account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
 variety of
 shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
 professional photographers for years.

 Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
 some
 perspective.


 Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
 on a
 budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D  
 Super, the
 original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
 significantly
 more affordable.

 The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that  
 also
 includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
 camera's
 sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.
 While you
 can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter
 speeds with
 plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a
 lot of
 blurry shots.

 Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it
 works with
 every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.


 In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers
 plenty for
 anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.
 The
 compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on
 one of
 the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick
 out far
 from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who
 like to
 travel.

 Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works
 well if
 you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries
 before a
 photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion  
 rechargeable
 batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).

 

Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Glen Tortorella]

Wow, Rebekah, you have hit the nail on the head here.  Once this  
discussion got going, I started thinking the same thing: enablement  
city!  I fear of the $$$...

Glen

On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Rebekah wrote:

> oh sure, and then your manual lenses became 'outdated' too ;)
>
> rg2
>
> On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I had a film scanner and Photo Printer long before I had a digital
>> camera. The DSLR was a minor expense. (I did have to upgrade my  
>> computer
>> system eventually, but hey it was outdated anyway)...
>>
>> Rebekah wrote:
 Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
 turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?

>>>
>>> just think of it this way: you're going to end up enabling yourself
>>> with a printer.  Then you're going to need to buy special paper,
>>> special ink, and a special program to calibrate your monitor, as  
>>> well
>>> as a photoshop program.  Or, you can get them printed at a nearby
>>> store or online like doug said, but I have trouble believing anyone
>>> here does that or plans to for long.  So, unless you're happy with
>>> looking at your pictures on your computer screen, it seems like the
>>> price to purchase a digital camera goes way beyond the initial price
>>> tag and will induce a possible enabling frenzy.  Enable away  
>>> dude!  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> rg2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
 ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all  
 pentax AF
 lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches,  
 D50 is
 outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
 battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a  
 slightly
 larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also  
 the
 Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the  
 use of
 compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500  
 with
 dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40  
 is far
 smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.

 -Adam
 Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better  
 for the
 most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.


 P. J. Alling wrote:

> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
> Favorably.
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>
>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>
>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I  
>> find
>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget"  
>> DSLR
>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within  
>> the
>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to  
>> like
>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how  
>> does one
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo  
>> lab
>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or  
>> D50, I
>> gather?
>>
>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Glen
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the  
>>> K100D
>>> as "best
>>> begommer budget DSLR"
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>>>
>>> Answer
>>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you  
>>> take and
>>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact  
>>> point-and-
>>> shoot,
>>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
>>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
>>> seemed
>>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple  
>>> compact
>>> camera
>>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital  
>>> SLR is
>>> right
>>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>>>
>>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
>>> take into
>>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
>>> variety of
>>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the  
>>> choice of
>>> professional photographers for years.
>>>
>>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question  
>>> above into
>>> some
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a  
>>> beginner
>>> on a

Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Rebekah]

oh sure, and then your manual lenses became 'outdated' too ;)

rg2

On 9/25/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had a film scanner and Photo Printer long before I had a digital
> camera. The DSLR was a minor expense. (I did have to upgrade my computer
> system eventually, but hey it was outdated anyway)...
>
> Rebekah wrote:
> >> Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
> >> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
> >>
> >
> > just think of it this way: you're going to end up enabling yourself
> > with a printer.  Then you're going to need to buy special paper,
> > special ink, and a special program to calibrate your monitor, as well
> > as a photoshop program.  Or, you can get them printed at a nearby
> > store or online like doug said, but I have trouble believing anyone
> > here does that or plans to for long.  So, unless you're happy with
> > looking at your pictures on your computer screen, it seems like the
> > price to purchase a digital camera goes way beyond the initial price
> > tag and will induce a possible enabling frenzy.  Enable away dude!  ;)
> >
> >
> > rg2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/25/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
> >> ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
> >> lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
> >> outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
> >> battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a slightly
> >> larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
> >> Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
> >> compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
> >> dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
> >> smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >> Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
> >> most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.
> >>
> >>
> >> P. J. Alling wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
> >>> Favorably.
> >>>
> >>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
> >>>
>  What a timely post, Larry!
> 
>  While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>  this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>  has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>  DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>  prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>  turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>  Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>  scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>  supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>  finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
>  gather?
> 
>  I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Glen
> 
> 
>  On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
> > as "best
> > begommer budget DSLR"
> >
> >
> > Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
> >
> > Answer
> > You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
> > capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
> > shoot,
> > but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
> > I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
> > seemed
> > silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
> > camera
> > for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
> > right
> > around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
> >
> > I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
> > take into
> > account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
> > variety of
> > shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
> > professional photographers for years.
> >
> > Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
> > some
> > perspective.
> >
> >
> > Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
> > on a
> > budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
> > original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
> > significantly
> > more affordable.
> >
> > The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
> > includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
> > camera's
> > sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.

Re: OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[Evan Hanson]

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

I had a film scanner and Photo Printer long before I had a digital 
camera. The DSLR was a minor expense. (I did have to upgrade my computer 
system eventually, but hey it was outdated anyway)...

Rebekah wrote:
>> Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>> 
>
> just think of it this way: you're going to end up enabling yourself
> with a printer.  Then you're going to need to buy special paper,
> special ink, and a special program to calibrate your monitor, as well
> as a photoshop program.  Or, you can get them printed at a nearby
> store or online like doug said, but I have trouble believing anyone
> here does that or plans to for long.  So, unless you're happy with
> looking at your pictures on your computer screen, it seems like the
> price to purchase a digital camera goes way beyond the initial price
> tag and will induce a possible enabling frenzy.  Enable away dude!  ;)
>
>
> rg2
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/25/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
>> ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
>> lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
>> outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
>> battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a slightly
>> larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
>> Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
>> compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
>> dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
>> smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.
>>
>> -Adam
>> Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
>> most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.
>>
>>
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
>>> Favorably.
>>>
>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>   
 What a timely post, Larry!

 While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
 this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
 has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
 DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
 prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
 turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
 Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
 scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
 supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
 finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
 gather?

 I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)

 Thanks,
 Glen


 On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:


 
> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
> as "best
> begommer budget DSLR"
>
>
> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>
> Answer
> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
> shoot,
> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
> seemed
> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
> camera
> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
> right
> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>
> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
> take into
> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
> variety of
> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
> professional photographers for years.
>
> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
> some
> perspective.
>
>
> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
> on a
> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
> significantly
> more affordable.
>
> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
> camera's
> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.
> While you
> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter
> speeds with
> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a
> lot of
> blurry shots.
>
> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it
> works with
> every Pentax l

PESO: Diaphanous

[Rebekah]

Hey guys, another picture of the little rug rat.  Title courtesy of my
father  :)


http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5114307944771333234

comments and critiques welcome


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Re: OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[Rebekah]

Do those create much verticle banding, I wonder?


rg2

On 9/25/07, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcwathieu/1008140999/in/set-809983/
>
> Not the sharpest lenses, I assume. ;)
>
> John
>
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OT: For those of you who like "grain" in your photos

[John Celio]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcwathieu/1008140999/in/set-809983/

Not the sharpest lenses, I assume. ;)

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Rebekah]

>Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?

just think of it this way: you're going to end up enabling yourself
with a printer.  Then you're going to need to buy special paper,
special ink, and a special program to calibrate your monitor, as well
as a photoshop program.  Or, you can get them printed at a nearby
store or online like doug said, but I have trouble believing anyone
here does that or plans to for long.  So, unless you're happy with
looking at your pictures on your computer screen, it seems like the
price to purchase a digital camera goes way beyond the initial price
tag and will induce a possible enabling frenzy.  Enable away dude!  ;)


rg2





On 9/25/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has
> ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF
> lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is
> outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better
> battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a slightly
> larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the
> Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of
> compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with
> dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far
> smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.
>
> -Adam
> Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the
> most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
> > Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
> > Favorably.
> >
> > Glen Tortorella wrote:
> >> What a timely post, Larry!
> >>
> >> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
> >> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
> >> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
> >> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
> >> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
> >> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
> >> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
> >> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
> >> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
> >> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
> >> gather?
> >>
> >> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Glen
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
> >>> as "best
> >>> begommer budget DSLR"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
> >>>
> >>> Answer
> >>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
> >>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
> >>> shoot,
> >>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
> >>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
> >>> seemed
> >>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
> >>> camera
> >>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
> >>> right
> >>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
> >>>
> >>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
> >>> take into
> >>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
> >>> variety of
> >>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
> >>> professional photographers for years.
> >>>
> >>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
> >>> some
> >>> perspective.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
> >>> on a
> >>> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
> >>> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
> >>> significantly
> >>> more affordable.
> >>>
> >>> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
> >>> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
> >>> camera's
> >>> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.
> >>> While you
> >>> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter
> >>> speeds with
> >>> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a
> >>> lot of
> >>> blurry shots.
> >>>
> >>> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it
> >>> works with
> >>> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers
> >>> plenty for
> >>> anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.
> >>> The
> >>> compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on
> >>> one of

Re: PESO: No boats

[Rebekah]

That's funny! I certainly hope you didn't sail too close ;)

rg2

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> Cory, the sign is hilarious. However photographically speaking, the all
> blurred foreground is giving me headache, almost making me feel dizzy,
> you know...
>
> Boris
>
> cbwaters wrote:
> > I know you lot like a good goofy sign shot so I just couldn't resist this
> > one...
> > http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#199966144-L-LB
> >
> > Cory
> >
> >
>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Adam Maas]

Depends on what you want. The K100D handles better than either, has 
ISO3200 (which the D50 lacks), has in-body IS, AF's with all pentax AF 
lenses (D40 lacks this), a half-decent viewfinder (D40 matches, D50 is 
outclassed) and has better AF than either. The D50 has FAR better 
battery life and the D40 is notably smaller. The D50 also has a slightly 
larger buffer, while the D40's is triple that of the K100D. Also the 
Nikons have much smaller RAW files (~5.5MB vs 10MB) due to the use of 
compression, the Nikons also offer much higher flash sync (1/500 with 
dedicated flashes, 1/4000 with non-dedicated). Oh, and the D40 is far 
smaller than either the D50 or the k100D.

-Adam
Who's owned both the K100D and the D50. Liked the K100D better for the 
most part, missed the D50's larger buffer though.


P. J. Alling wrote:
> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50? 
> Favorably.
> 
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>
>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find  
>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR  
>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the  
>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like  
>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one  
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?   
>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a  
>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab  
>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,  
>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I  
>> gather?
>>
>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Glen
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D  
>>> as "best
>>> begommer budget DSLR"
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>>>
>>> Answer
>>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
>>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and- 
>>> shoot,
>>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
>>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often  
>>> seemed
>>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact  
>>> camera
>>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is  
>>> right
>>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>>>
>>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you  
>>> take into
>>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider  
>>> variety of
>>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
>>> professional photographers for years.
>>>
>>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into  
>>> some
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner  
>>> on a
>>> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
>>> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it  
>>> significantly
>>> more affordable.
>>>
>>> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
>>> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the  
>>> camera's
>>> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.  
>>> While you
>>> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter  
>>> speeds with
>>> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a  
>>> lot of
>>> blurry shots.
>>>
>>> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it  
>>> works with
>>> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers  
>>> plenty for
>>> anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.  
>>> The
>>> compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on  
>>> one of
>>> the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick  
>>> out far
>>> from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who  
>>> like to
>>> travel.
>>>
>>> Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works  
>>> well if
>>> you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries  
>>> before a
>>> photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion rechargeable
>>> batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).
>>>
>>> You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for  
>>> less than
>>> $400 without a lens.
>>>
>>> This second option works well if you already have some Pentax  
>>> lenses from a
>>> film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick  
>>> up some
>>> used Pentax lenses without paying full price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry in Dallas
>>>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Adam Maas]

Note that most 'Photo' printers up to 8.5x11 have card readers these 
days and can function as printers for your PC or dedicated photo printers.

-Adam


Doug Franklin wrote:
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Doug, for the detailed response.
> 
> You're welcome.  I probably forgot some options.  Oh yeah, option (4)
> would be "have a buddy that does his own digital printing and trade him
> beer for prints of your shots". :-)
> 
>> I like options (1) and  
>> (1a); however, I do not discern any difference between these two  
>> options.  It seems like in either case I would just buy a printer.   
>> Is there any other difference?
> 
> (1a) is a subset of (1).
> 
> (1a) is talking about printers that /only/ print photos, and the
> inexpensive ones often top out at 5" x 7" prints.  They tend to take
> "all in one" ink cartridges and some even have packaged paper cassettes.
>  The emphasis is on low entry cost and nearly-one-button ease of use,
> not control or, to a certain degree, quality.  They can eat you up on
> running costs just like the cheap inkjet computer printers.
> 
> (1) is talking about more expensive and more flexible printers that you
> must connect to a computer to use.  These usually go up to at least A4
> or 8.5" x 11" paper size.  They can have from one to eight or nine ink
> cartridges.  You can put any of dozens of cut sheet paper types in them.
>  You can control the color better.
> 
> The difference between (1) and (1a) is sort of like the difference
> between using an SLR and a covey of lenses versus using a point and
> shoot camera. :-)
> 
>> Also, is there a cable that runs  
>> between the printer and camera body?
> 
> Maybe, maybe not, depending on the printer and camera body in question.
>  For some of them, you just take the memory card out of the camera and
> plug it into the printer and press a few buttons and /voila/, prints!
> Or sometimes you connect the camera to the printer via a USB cable or
> something.  It just depends on the devices in question.
> 
> Same things apply to the camera and the computer.  Most folks around the
> PDML seem to take the card out and use a card reader on the computer to
> get the photos into the hard drive, myself included.  Some DSLRs can
> also be connected to the 'puter via a specialized USB or Firewire cable
> that comes with the camera and you can extract the photos from the
> camera that way.
> 
> 


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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 2:02 PM, William Robb wrote:

>> Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all
>> Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny  
>> digicams
>> and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having
>> Leica glass.
>>
>
> That's like calling the kit lens on the Samsung K10 clone a  
> Schneider lens.

Not quite. Schneider did not design or have any hand in the  
development of the lenses sold for the Samsung.

Leica did in the case of the Panasonic cameras.

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 2:58 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica
>
>
>>>
>>> True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or
>>> Fujinon lens attached.
>>
>> They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc.
>> They're not an optical company. :-)
>
> Hmmm.
> I have a couple of Fujinon enlarging lenses, and a friend has a  
> Fuji large
> format lens.
> Come to think of it, I have a Fujica camera with a Fuji lens  
> sitting on my
> desk somewhere.
> And who could forget that wonderful Fuji GX680, with the very good  
> Fujinon
> lenses, or those sweet little rangfinder 120 format cameras they  
> were making
> for so long.
> I recall they also were making a panoramic camera under their own  
> name,
> which I believe could be had with a couple of different Fujinon  
> lenses.
>
> They may not be an optical company specifically, but they have  
> probably got
> more optical expertise than many optical companies.

Not sure what you're saying, Bill. Panasonic (Matsushita) and Fuji  
are two separate companies.

Fuji definitely has a lot of optical expertise.

Godfrey

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Doug Franklin]

Glen Tortorella wrote:

> Thanks, Doug, for the detailed response.

You're welcome.  I probably forgot some options.  Oh yeah, option (4)
would be "have a buddy that does his own digital printing and trade him
beer for prints of your shots". :-)

> I like options (1) and  
> (1a); however, I do not discern any difference between these two  
> options.  It seems like in either case I would just buy a printer.   
> Is there any other difference?

(1a) is a subset of (1).

(1a) is talking about printers that /only/ print photos, and the
inexpensive ones often top out at 5" x 7" prints.  They tend to take
"all in one" ink cartridges and some even have packaged paper cassettes.
 The emphasis is on low entry cost and nearly-one-button ease of use,
not control or, to a certain degree, quality.  They can eat you up on
running costs just like the cheap inkjet computer printers.

(1) is talking about more expensive and more flexible printers that you
must connect to a computer to use.  These usually go up to at least A4
or 8.5" x 11" paper size.  They can have from one to eight or nine ink
cartridges.  You can put any of dozens of cut sheet paper types in them.
 You can control the color better.

The difference between (1) and (1a) is sort of like the difference
between using an SLR and a covey of lenses versus using a point and
shoot camera. :-)

> Also, is there a cable that runs  
> between the printer and camera body?

Maybe, maybe not, depending on the printer and camera body in question.
 For some of them, you just take the memory card out of the camera and
plug it into the printer and press a few buttons and /voila/, prints!
Or sometimes you connect the camera to the printer via a USB cable or
something.  It just depends on the devices in question.

Same things apply to the camera and the computer.  Most folks around the
PDML seem to take the card out and use a card reader on the computer to
get the photos into the hard drive, myself included.  Some DSLRs can
also be connected to the 'puter via a specialized USB or Firewire cable
that comes with the camera and you can extract the photos from the
camera that way.


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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[Doug Franklin]

Rebekah wrote:
>> [...] hilarious and disgusting at the same time. [...]
> 
>> If I had a MySpace or Facebook page, that'd be my description of myself. :-)
> 
> I think it would be an appropriate description for most men ;)

Yeah, but a lot of them don't realize it. ;-)

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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[Doug Franklin]

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Hum, I always saw myself as reasonably amusing, I'd have to work to hard 
> to be hilarious.

Not from a woman's perspective ... simply being a man is enough. ;-)

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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Bob W wrote:

>>> You don't need a hammer to use a Pentax K-mount lens on a 4/3 System
>>> camera. A $24 mount adapter will do nicely...
>>
>> 24 buckeroos and Bob W could snap Uranus.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>
> Indeed. If I had 2000mm up front I could explore all sorts of enormous
> dark spaces where no man has gone before.

You tease you.

G


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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[P. J. Alling]

I'm sure I've got the disgusting part down...

Doug Franklin wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> Hum, I always saw myself as reasonably amusing, I'd have to work to hard 
>> to be hilarious.
>> 
>
> Not from a woman's perspective ... simply being a man is enough. ;-)
>
>   


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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

Very well, it's a nice portrait length on a Pentax dslr.  It should give 
very good results.

Glen Tortorella wrote:
> Thanks, P.J.  Would my A 50/2 work with the Pentax digital bodies-- 
> i.e. the K100D?
>
> Glen
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:23 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
>> Favorably.
>>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> 
>>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>>
>>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
>>> gather?
>>>
>>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
 as "best
 begommer budget DSLR"


 Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?

 Answer
 You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take  
 and
 capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
 shoot,
 but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
 I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
 seemed
 silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
 camera
 for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
 right
 around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.

 I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
 take into
 account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
 variety of
 shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
 professional photographers for years.

 Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
 some
 perspective.


 Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
 on a
 budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super,  
 the
 original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
 significantly
 more affordable.

 The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
 includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
 camera's
 sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.
 While you
 can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter
 speeds with
 plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a
 lot of
 blurry shots.

 Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it
 works with
 every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.


 In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers
 plenty for
 anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.
 The
 compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on
 one of
 the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick
 out far
 from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who
 like to
 travel.

 Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works
 well if
 you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries
 before a
 photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion  
 rechargeable
 batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).

 You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for
 less than
 $400 without a lens.

 This second option works well if you already have some Pentax
 lenses from a
 film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick
 up some
 used Pentax lenses without paying full price.



 Larry in Dallas


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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Glen Tortorella]

Thanks, Doug, for the detailed response.  I like options (1) and  
(1a); however, I do not discern any difference between these two  
options.  It seems like in either case I would just buy a printer.   
Is there any other difference?  Also, is there a cable that runs  
between the printer and camera body?

Thanks again,
Glen

On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>
>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>
> Several options:
>
> 1) A laser or inkjet printer that you own and you do your own  
> printing.
>  Doesn't necessarily require additional software beyond what comes  
> with
> your operating system, but could benefit in some cases.  Like Windows.
>
> 1a) "Dedicated" inkjet printers for the home.  Plug in your memory  
> card,
> use the menus on the printer to tell it how many of which ones, load
> paper, wait for prints to come out.
>
> 2) Take your memory card to Walmart or local photo shop or one of the
> other seventy bazillion places that have a "digital printing kiosk".
> Plug in the memory card, tell it how many of which photos, and shortly
> they pop out.
>
> 3) Any of a variety of Internet photo printing services (Google is  
> your
> friend ... I can't remember the names of any of them at the moment).
> Upload your photo file to their web site, give them money and a  
> mailing
> address, wait for the mailman.
>
> Cheapest would be (2) or (3).  Most control with best chance of a  
> "best
> possible" print would be (1).
>
>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?
>
> Options (1a) and (2) don't require you have a computer but (1) and (3)
> do.  (3) also requires a high-speed Internet connection; you'll go  
> crazy
> waiting for your photos to upload over a dial-up line.
>
> Scanner is unnecessary in all scenarios, unless you have film you want
> to digitize.  That's a whole 'nother discussion, though.
>
> Your iMac should be fine, I'd think, though I know virtually nothing
> about any of the Macs.
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Glen Tortorella]

Thanks, P.J.  Would my A 50/2 work with the Pentax digital bodies-- 
i.e. the K100D?

Glen

On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:23 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50?
> Favorably.
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> What a timely post, Larry!
>>
>> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find
>> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR
>> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the
>> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like
>> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one
>> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?
>> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a
>> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab
>> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,
>> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I
>> gather?
>>
>> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Glen
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D
>>> as "best
>>> begommer budget DSLR"
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>>>
>>> Answer
>>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take  
>>> and
>>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-
>>> shoot,
>>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
>>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often
>>> seemed
>>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact
>>> camera
>>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is
>>> right
>>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>>>
>>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you
>>> take into
>>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider
>>> variety of
>>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
>>> professional photographers for years.
>>>
>>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into
>>> some
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner
>>> on a
>>> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super,  
>>> the
>>> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it
>>> significantly
>>> more affordable.
>>>
>>> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
>>> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the
>>> camera's
>>> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.
>>> While you
>>> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter
>>> speeds with
>>> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a
>>> lot of
>>> blurry shots.
>>>
>>> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it
>>> works with
>>> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers
>>> plenty for
>>> anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.
>>> The
>>> compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on
>>> one of
>>> the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick
>>> out far
>>> from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who
>>> like to
>>> travel.
>>>
>>> Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works
>>> well if
>>> you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries
>>> before a
>>> photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion  
>>> rechargeable
>>> batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).
>>>
>>> You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for
>>> less than
>>> $400 without a lens.
>>>
>>> This second option works well if you already have some Pentax
>>> lenses from a
>>> film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick
>>> up some
>>> used Pentax lenses without paying full price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[P. J. Alling]

Hum, I always saw myself as reasonably amusing, I'd have to work to hard 
to be hilarious.

Rebekah wrote:
>> [...] hilarious and disgusting at the same time. [...]
>> 
>
>   
>> If I had a MySpace or Facebook page, that'd be my description of myself. :-)
>> 
>
>
> I think it would be an appropriate description for most men ;)
>
> rg2
>
> On 9/25/07, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Rebekah wrote:
>> 
>>> [...] hilarious and disgusting at the same time. [...]
>>>   
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Re: Last Rose of the Summer

[Rebekah]

Absolutely lovely!  I hope you feel better soon :)

rg2

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> >  I was using my K10D with at Tamron Adaptall lens
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

You change the 1s and 0s in a dslr into prints the same way you change 
the 1s and 0s in a scanned negative or slide into prints, just without 
the scanner. Personally if I had a darkroom I'd shoot more B&W film and 
go directly to a silver print, (I think Tri-X was my first real love), 
but baring that color printing, (and B&W conversions), with a decent 
printer reasonable software and a large sensor, (OK so 24mmX16mm isn't 
exactly huge, but it's much bigger than the vast majority of sensor 
sizes), is the best way to get reasonable quality and maintain control.

Glen Tortorella wrote:
> What a timely post, Larry!
>
> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find  
> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR  
> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the  
> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like  
> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one  
> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?   
> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a  
> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab  
> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,  
> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I  
> gather?
>
> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>
>   
>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D  
>> as "best
>> begommer budget DSLR"
>>
>>
>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>>
>> Answer
>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and- 
>> shoot,
>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often  
>> seemed
>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact  
>> camera
>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is  
>> right
>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>>
>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you  
>> take into
>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider  
>> variety of
>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
>> professional photographers for years.
>>
>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into  
>> some
>> perspective.
>>
>>
>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner  
>> on a
>> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
>> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it  
>> significantly
>> more affordable.
>>
>> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
>> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the  
>> camera's
>> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.  
>> While you
>> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter  
>> speeds with
>> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a  
>> lot of
>> blurry shots.
>>
>> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it  
>> works with
>> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
>>
>>
>> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers  
>> plenty for
>> anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.  
>> The
>> compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on  
>> one of
>> the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick  
>> out far
>> from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who  
>> like to
>> travel.
>>
>> Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works  
>> well if
>> you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries  
>> before a
>> photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion rechargeable
>> batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).
>>
>> You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for  
>> less than
>> $400 without a lens.
>>
>> This second option works well if you already have some Pentax  
>> lenses from a
>> film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick  
>> up some
>> used Pentax lenses without paying full price.
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry in Dallas
>>
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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Doug Franklin]

Glen Tortorella wrote:

> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one  
> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?

Several options:

1) A laser or inkjet printer that you own and you do your own printing.
 Doesn't necessarily require additional software beyond what comes with
your operating system, but could benefit in some cases.  Like Windows.

1a) "Dedicated" inkjet printers for the home.  Plug in your memory card,
use the menus on the printer to tell it how many of which ones, load
paper, wait for prints to come out.

2) Take your memory card to Walmart or local photo shop or one of the
other seventy bazillion places that have a "digital printing kiosk".
Plug in the memory card, tell it how many of which photos, and shortly
they pop out.

3) Any of a variety of Internet photo printing services (Google is your
friend ... I can't remember the names of any of them at the moment).
Upload your photo file to their web site, give them money and a mailing
address, wait for the mailman.

Cheapest would be (2) or (3).  Most control with best chance of a "best
possible" print would be (1).

> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a  
> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab  
> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?

Options (1a) and (2) don't require you have a computer but (1) and (3)
do.  (3) also requires a high-speed Internet connection; you'll go crazy
waiting for your photos to upload over a dial-up line.

Scanner is unnecessary in all scenarios, unless you have film you want
to digitize.  That's a whole 'nother discussion, though.

Your iMac should be fine, I'd think, though I know virtually nothing
about any of the Macs.

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[P. J. Alling]

Oh yes the question how does the K100D compare to the D40 or D50? 
Favorably.

Glen Tortorella wrote:
> What a timely post, Larry!
>
> While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find  
> this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR  
> has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the  
> DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like  
> prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one  
> turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?   
> Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a  
> scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab  
> supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,  
> finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I  
> gather?
>
> I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:
>
>   
>> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D  
>> as "best
>> begommer budget DSLR"
>>
>>
>> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>>
>> Answer
>> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
>> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and- 
>> shoot,
>> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
>> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often  
>> seemed
>> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact  
>> camera
>> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is  
>> right
>> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>>
>> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you  
>> take into
>> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider  
>> variety of
>> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
>> professional photographers for years.
>>
>> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into  
>> some
>> perspective.
>>
>>
>> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner  
>> on a
>> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
>> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it  
>> significantly
>> more affordable.
>>
>> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
>> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the  
>> camera's
>> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.  
>> While you
>> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter  
>> speeds with
>> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a  
>> lot of
>> blurry shots.
>>
>> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it  
>> works with
>> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
>>
>>
>> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers  
>> plenty for
>> anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.  
>> The
>> compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on  
>> one of
>> the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick  
>> out far
>> from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who  
>> like to
>> travel.
>>
>> Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works  
>> well if
>> you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries  
>> before a
>> photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion rechargeable
>> batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).
>>
>> You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for  
>> less than
>> $400 without a lens.
>>
>> This second option works well if you already have some Pentax  
>> lenses from a
>> film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick  
>> up some
>> used Pentax lenses without paying full price.
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry in Dallas
>>
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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[Rebekah]

> [...] hilarious and disgusting at the same time. [...]

>If I had a MySpace or Facebook page, that'd be my description of myself. :-)


I think it would be an appropriate description for most men ;)

rg2

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> Rebekah wrote:
> > [...] hilarious and disgusting at the same time. [...]
>
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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[Doug Franklin]

Rebekah wrote:
> [...] hilarious and disgusting at the same time. [...]

If I had a MySpace or Facebook page, that'd be my description of myself. :-)

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Re: Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Glen Tortorella]

What a timely post, Larry!

While I have been resistant to digital for quite some time, I find  
this article interesting.  The idea of getting a good "budget" DSLR  
has crossed my mind, but I know so little about working within the  
DSLR format that I cannot get motivated to buy one.  I tend to like  
prints.  Thus, I ask the supremely elementary question: how does one  
turn the zeros and ones stored in the DSLR's memory into prints?   
Would a computer and/or scanner be necessary (I do not have a  
scanner, but I do have an iMac), or can a camera shop or photo lab  
supply the means to do this if one does not have a scanner?  And,  
finally, how does the K100D compare to the Nikon...the D40 or D50, I  
gather?

I welcome any and all advice or commentary :-)

Thanks,
Glen


On Sep 25, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Larry Levy wrote:

> Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D  
> as "best
> begommer budget DSLR"
>
>
> Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?
>
> Answer
> You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and
> capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and- 
> shoot,
> but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
> I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often  
> seemed
> silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact  
> camera
> for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is  
> right
> around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.
>
> I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you  
> take into
> account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider  
> variety of
> shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of
> professional photographers for years.
>
> Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into  
> some
> perspective.
>
>
> Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner  
> on a
> budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the
> original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it  
> significantly
> more affordable.
>
> The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also
> includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the  
> camera's
> sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos.  
> While you
> can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter  
> speeds with
> plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a  
> lot of
> blurry shots.
>
> Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it  
> works with
> every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.
>
>
> In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers  
> plenty for
> anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches.  
> The
> compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on  
> one of
> the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick  
> out far
> from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who  
> like to
> travel.
>
> Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works  
> well if
> you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries  
> before a
> photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion rechargeable
> batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).
>
> You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for  
> less than
> $400 without a lens.
>
> This second option works well if you already have some Pentax  
> lenses from a
> film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick  
> up some
> used Pentax lenses without paying full price.
>
>
>
> Larry in Dallas
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[P. J. Alling]

Here ya go.

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/miscarticles/milkmen.html

Cotty wrote:
> On 25/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> My JVC video camera has a Fujinon lens.
>> 
>
> The vast majority of interchangeable video lenses are Canon. Fuji make
> cost-effective alternatives. There are other makes found once in a blue
> moon but you'll come across milk-baring teets on a bloke sooner.
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RE: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Cotty
> Sent: 25 September 2007 23:31
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay
> 
> On 25/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >You don't need a hammer to use a Pentax K-mount lens on a 
> 4/3 System  
> >camera. A $24 mount adapter will do nicely...
> 
> 24 buckeroos and Bob W could snap Uranus.
> 
> ;-)
> 

Indeed. If I had 2000mm up front I could explore all sorts of enormous
dark spaces where no man has gone before.

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[Adam Maas]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica
> 
> 
>>> True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or
>>> Fujinon lens attached.
>> They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc.
>> They're not an optical company. :-)
> 
> Hmmm.
> I have a couple of Fujinon enlarging lenses, and a friend has a Fuji large 
> format lens.
> Come to think of it, I have a Fujica camera with a Fuji lens sitting on my 
> desk somewhere.
> And who could forget that wonderful Fuji GX680, with the very good Fujinon 
> lenses, or those sweet little rangfinder 120 format cameras they were making 
> for so long.
> I recall they also were making a panoramic camera under their own name, 
> which I believe could be had with a couple of different Fujinon lenses.
> 
> They may not be an optical company specifically, but they have probably got 
> more optical expertise than many optical companies.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 

Bill,
I'm pretty sure Godders was talking about Panasonic, not Fuji.

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[Cotty]

On 25/09/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My JVC video camera has a Fujinon lens.

The vast majority of interchangeable video lenses are Canon. Fuji make
cost-effective alternatives. There are other makes found once in a blue
moon but you'll come across milk-baring teets on a bloke sooner.

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Digital SLR Guide News - Best Budget DSLR

[Larry Levy]

Chris Roberts, in his Digital SLR Guide News has selected the K100D as "best 
begommer budget DSLR"


Question: What's the best beginner budget SLR?

Answer
You've been longing to improve the quality of the photos you take and 
capture moments that just aren't possible with a compact point-and-shoot, 
but you find the price of digital SLR cameras extreme.
I'm not surprised - back in the heyday of the film SLR, it often seemed 
silly to spend $300 on a camera when you could get a simple compact camera 
for less than $100. Now that the minimum price for a digital SLR is right 
around $500, it makes them pretty expensive investments.

I firmly believe that the additional cost is justified when you take into 
account the fact that digital SLRs are able to capture a wider variety of 
shots than compact cameras. It's why the SLR has been the choice of 
professional photographers for years.

Why tell you this? It will put my answer to the question above into some 
perspective.


Right now, I think that the best digital SLR camera for a beginner on a 
budget is the Pentax K100D. Recently replaced by the K100D Super, the 
original K100D has benefitted from a price drop that makes it significantly 
more affordable.

The Pentax K100D is the least expensive camera you can buy that also 
includes built-in image stabilization. This feature oscillates the camera's 
sensor to counteract the effect of camera motion on your photos. While you 
can't really see camera motion when you're using fast shutter speeds with 
plenty of light, dim lighting and slow shutter speeds can lead to a lot of 
blurry shots.

Since the image stabilization is built into the camera itself, it works with 
every Pentax lens that's compatible with the K100D.


In addition to image stabilization, the 6 megapixel sensor offers plenty for 
anyone who doesn't want to print at sizes larger than 11x14 inches. The 
compact frame can be made even more so if you can get your hands on one of 
the specialized Pentax "pancake" lenses. These lenses don't stick out far 
from the camera, making the K100D a portable option for those who like to 
travel.

Finally, the K100D runs on regular old AA batteries, which works well if 
you're one of those types who always forgets to re-charge batteries before a 
photo outing (many other cameras use special Lithium Ion rechargeable 
batteries that take about 2-3 hours to reach a full charge).

You can pick up a K100D for less than $500 with a lens, and for less than 
$400 without a lens.

This second option works well if you already have some Pentax lenses from a 
film SLR camera, or know of a local camera swap where you can pick up some 
used Pentax lenses without paying full price.



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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Cotty]

On 25/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You don't need a hammer to use a Pentax K-mount lens on a 4/3 System  
>camera. A $24 mount adapter will do nicely...

24 buckeroos and Bob W could snap Uranus.

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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[P. J. Alling]

The real fuel usage comes in backing away from the subject...

Peter Fairweather wrote:
> Now Cotty, if you were to take a hammer to the lens mount so that it
> could be used on a 4/3rds mount Olympus, it would be a 4000mm lens
> equivalent. Then there is the cost of the concrete required as a solid
> block to mount it instead of a tripod to cut down the vibrations. Then
> there is the truck required to cart it all around.
>
> But the greatest cost would be the fuel required for the endles
> journeys looking for something to actually photograph!!
>
> Peter
>
> On 25/09/2007, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> On 25/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> 
>>> Shall I inquire as to what the exact zoom range is? (Or is "2000 to
>>> 2000" too obviously the answer?) :-P
>>>   
>> Mark, it's just permanently zoomed in, of course.
>>
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Re: OT - Pythonesque 2

[P. J. Alling]

You forgot that the student was a idiot as well. There was no honor on 
any side here.

Bob W wrote:
> That's very good, and very funny. 
>
> The incident itself was a disgrace, of course. The police who
> interrupted the student should be busted, and Kerry should be ashamed
> for not intervening.
>
> --
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>  
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Cotty
>> Sent: 25 September 2007 17:54
>> To: pentax list
>> Subject: OT - Pythonesque 2
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Re: darkroom ventilation

[Tom C]

I deliberately left the door a bit loose for air circulation, but it was
>on the other side of the 2x8 wall, and so the light leakage was between non
>existent and insignificant.
>My wife could bring me a cup of tea while I was printing, with no worries
>about making sure no paper was out before she opened the door.
>
>William Robb

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Re: Thinking of AF280T flash

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Axel Belinfante" Subject: Re: Thinking of AF280T flash


>
> I guess the bottom line is that "dedicated" by itself is
> an empty phrase.
> "dedicated" is not an absolute notion, but a relative one.
> it is relative to a (family) of camera body(s).
>

"Dedicated" is an absolute term, and means that the flash will communicate 
with the camera body to set the shutter speed and aperture (in the case of 
programmed exposure cameras).
This is by no means an empty phrase, though you probably would have needed 
to be around the camera industry 25 or so years ago to know what the 
original meaning was.

A "manual" flash is a single output unit which only communicates output 
triggering with the camera.
An "auto" flash is a variable output unit which only communicates output 
triggering with the camera.
A "dedicated" flash communicates shutter speed and aperture setting 
information with the camera, and causes the camera to set the shutter speed 
to X-sync and sets the aperture to match the flash output range.
A "TTL" flash communicates flash output with the camera for the purpose of 
regulating output.
A "dedicated TTL" flash communicates shutter speed and aperture setting 
information with the camera to set the shutter speed to X-sync and sets the 
aperture to match the flash output range and communicates flash output with 
the camera for the purpose of regulating output.
Recently, as cameras have thunderbirded, and morphed into lens based 
computer systems, the method of communication had changed, but the 
principles haven't changed all that much.

Now you know.

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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[P. J. Alling]

Ah but M means miniature!

Bob Blakely wrote:
> All reflex are M or K. There is no aperture adjustment to control.
>
> Regards,
> Bob...
> 
> "Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . 
> it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
> What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow."
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Thibouille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>   
>> And this is a M serie? hehe :)
>>
>> 2007/9/25, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 
>>> Not giving anything away since it's a buy it now, but heres something to
>>> point to if someone says Pentax doesn't have any long lenses available.
>>> (Get you checkbooks out).
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2xyq5s
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica


> 
> True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon of
> Fujinon lens attached. 

My JVC video camera has a Fujinon lens.

William Robb

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

[Rick Womer]

--- Tom Cakalic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...is the photographer looking at their work with
> a critical eye or are 
> they blushingly viewing it with self-adoration?  

Mark!


  

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica


>>
>> True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or
>> Fujinon lens attached.
>
> They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc.
> They're not an optical company. :-)

Hmmm.
I have a couple of Fujinon enlarging lenses, and a friend has a Fuji large 
format lens.
Come to think of it, I have a Fujica camera with a Fuji lens sitting on my 
desk somewhere.
And who could forget that wonderful Fuji GX680, with the very good Fujinon 
lenses, or those sweet little rangfinder 120 format cameras they were making 
for so long.
I recall they also were making a panoramic camera under their own name, 
which I believe could be had with a couple of different Fujinon lenses.

They may not be an optical company specifically, but they have probably got 
more optical expertise than many optical companies.

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Amita Guha" Subject: Re: SV: The Cult of Leica


> Panasonic makes the electronics but Leica makes the glass for all
> Panny or Leica cameras as far as I know. Nate has had 2 Panny digicams
> and I have the Leica D-Lux 3 and they've all been labeled as having
> Leica glass.
> 

That's like calling the kit lens on the Samsung K10 clone a Schneider lens.

William Robb

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Re: Last Rose of the Summer

[Rick Womer]

Beautiful.  You should get a cold more often!

 
--- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As I Have spent the day at home with a bad cold, I
> couldn't recist doing
> thsi little series:
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157602143595865/show/
>  I was using my K10D with at Tamron Adaptall lens
> (SP 2.5 90mm)  - handheld
> and SR "ON"
> Regards
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> http://www.jensbladt.dk
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Re: darkroom ventilation

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: darkroom ventilation


> Hey, gang!
>
> To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it
> ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent
> placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well.
> Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level,
> centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing
> into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive
> pressure?
>
> FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style layout
> - a wet side opposite a dry side with space down the middle from the
> door to the opposite wall.
>
> Thanks a lot, and much appreciated.

If you are putting up stud walls, then somewhere in the vicinity of your 
wash sink, you will want to cut a hole in the drywall somewhat above sink 
level, and on the other side of the wall, you will want to cut another hole, 
offline from the first to provide a light trap, and put a fan on that hole, 
blowing out.
If the door isn't really tight, that should be all you need to do, as the 
darkroom can be designed with built in light traps to keep the printing area 
dark.
In my own darkroom, I built a 2x8 stud wall inside the darkroom, which I 
Hilti pinned to the concrete floor, for the 4x5 enlarger chassis to mount 
to. I deliberately left the door a bit loose for air circulation, but it was 
on the other side of the 2x8 wall, and so the light leakage was between non 
existent and insignificant.
My wife could bring me a cup of tea while I was printing, with no worries 
about making sure no paper was out before she opened the door.

William Robb

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Re: OT - Pythonesque 2

[P. J. Alling]

I've been studiously avoiding watching this.

Cotty wrote:
> 
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Re: PESO: Industrial Landscape

[Kenneth Waller]

> >That cow does not appear to be a cow.
> 
> That sentence gives me the horn.
> 

I can't think of an udder thing to say.
>>> 
>>> Well, you usually milk something for all its worth...
>>
>>True, cream does rise to the top.
> 
> Especially when we have someone to cut through the bull and steer us in 
> the right direction.

I hope someone will eventually steer this thread in a meat-e-er direction.

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Re: OT - Pythonesque 2

[Kenneth Waller]

>From what was mentioned in the media, security was called in by the 
organizers of the event.
Security didn't initiate the restraining action.

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: RE: OT - Pythonesque 2


> That's very good, and very funny.
>
> The incident itself was a disgrace, of course. The police who
> interrupted the student should be busted, and Kerry should be ashamed
> for not intervening.
>
> --
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>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Cotty
>> Sent: 25 September 2007 17:54
>> To: pentax list
>> Subject: OT - Pythonesque 2
>>
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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

You don't need a hammer to use a Pentax K-mount lens on a 4/3 System  
camera. A $24 mount adapter will do nicely...

G


On Sep 25, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Peter Fairweather wrote:

> Now Cotty, if you were to take a hammer to the lens mount so that it
> could be used on a 4/3rds mount Olympus, it would be a 4000mm lens
> equivalent. Then there is the cost of the concrete required as a solid
> block to mount it instead of a tripod to cut down the vibrations. Then
> there is the truck required to cart it all around.
>
> But the greatest cost would be the fuel required for the endles
> journeys looking for something to actually photograph!!
>
>> Mark, it's just permanently zoomed in, of course.
>>
>>> Shall I inquire as to what the exact zoom range is? (Or is "2000 to
>>> 2000" too obviously the answer?) :-P

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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Peter Fairweather]

Now Cotty, if you were to take a hammer to the lens mount so that it
could be used on a 4/3rds mount Olympus, it would be a 4000mm lens
equivalent. Then there is the cost of the concrete required as a solid
block to mount it instead of a tripod to cut down the vibrations. Then
there is the truck required to cart it all around.

But the greatest cost would be the fuel required for the endles
journeys looking for something to actually photograph!!

Peter

On 25/09/2007, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 25/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Shall I inquire as to what the exact zoom range is? (Or is "2000 to
> >2000" too obviously the answer?) :-P
>
> Mark, it's just permanently zoomed in, of course.
>
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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Cotty wrote:

>> remember that Panasonic has been
>> delivering a line of high quality video equipment, professional
>> cameras and recording/editing devices, for many years
>
> True. Also true that most Panny video cameras either have a Canon or
> Fujinon lens attached.

They know how to deal with lenses, mounts, manufacturing, etc.  
They're not an optical company. :-)

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Re: Grand Prix K10D?

[Peter Fairweather]

Thanks for the advice everyone. The collectible aspect is a "red"
herring (as opposed to a gold and snakeskin LX one!!) unless you keep
it unused in the unopened box.

I'm off tomorrow to look at a K10 refurb with 12 months Pentax
guarantee for £370. Guess I can download the latest version of the
software myself. I'll let you know what I decide but at that price,
it's a bit of a no brainer

Regards

Peter


> I normally buy a camera based on its value for my use, the cheaper I
> can get it for the better.
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Re: way OT: configuring a Mac for photo work

[graywolf]

Well folks just have to wait until they get computer that will easily handle 
the 
new OS, they usually come out just before MS issues an new OS that is a dog on 
them.


P. J. Alling wrote:
> Unfortunately this happens every time MS decides to release new 
> bloatwear. Anger followed by rejection then denial, (or is it denial 
> then rejection), then acceptance. I can only hope that the intrusiveness 
> and annoyances, (and shear arrogance MS), of Vista will make a dent big 
> enough in the MS shield big enough that they'll learn something in the 
> long run, (maybe the right lesson for a change), but I doubt it. Only an 
> AT&T solution will make a dent and the US Government has proven that it 
> no longer has a clue about how to prove Monopoly status, or the courage 
> to act, (in fact AT&T was a better company when they were broken up than 
> MS is today).
> 
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Amita Guha wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> My PC laptop is on its last legs, and I'm not too into Vista, 
>>> 
>> You're apparently not alone:
>> http://www.news.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html?tag=item
>>
>>
>>
>>   
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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Cotty]

On 25/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Shall I inquire as to what the exact zoom range is? (Or is "2000 to 
>2000" too obviously the answer?) :-P

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Re: SV: The Cult of Leica

[Cotty]

On 25/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>remember that Panasonic has been  
>delivering a line of high quality video equipment, professional  
>cameras and recording/editing devices, for many years

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Re: Shades of the fall

[Cotty]

On 25/09/07, Roman Melihhov, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007&s=0&category=&blog=20070925153916
>^^^ while the lane is still very green, first signs of the fall are 
>placing spots on that carpetery...


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Re: darkroom ventilation

[graywolf]

I notice that everyone is saying that darkroom chemical flumes are heavier than
air, but every commercial darkroom I have used has had the exhaust fan high and
the inlet low.  Usually the inlet vent was baffled in a stud space so the pickup
was high on the outside of the wall so it would not pick up floor dust and had
some kind of filter. The exhaust fan usually vented to the outside of the
building. One darkroom I used had a maze light baffle entrance without any doors
or hangings, so it had fantastic ventilation and was a joy to work in.

The closest I have ever come to having a permanent darkroom of my own was a
spare bathroom where the enlarger was set up in a linen closet and the trays on
a removable shelf over the sink and toilet. The bathroom vent fan was used for
ventilation after verifying that it did not let light into the room, and a
blanket hung over the bathroom door acted as both a light baffle and air filter.

If you are only going to spend a hour, once or twice a week in the darkroom you
probably are safe without ventilation, but more than that I would definitely
recommend a vent fan be installed.



Scott Loveless wrote:
> Hey, gang!
> 
> To those of you who have or have had a dedicated darkroom, how is/was it 
> ventilated?  The darkroom plans are coming along, but I'm stuck on vent 
> placement and whether I should include a fan blowing in, as well. 
> Currently, I'm thinking about an exhaust fan at about chest level, 
> centered on the wall over the sink.  Do you think another fan blowing 
> into the room might help cut down on dust by providing some positive 
> pressure?
> 
> FWIW, the room will be 8x8, in the basement, with a galley-style layout 
> - a wet side opposite a dry side with space down the middle from the 
> door to the opposite wall.
> 
> Thanks a lot, and much appreciated.
> 


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Re: Shades of the fall

[Rebekah]

Beautiful!  I especially like that last one, the lighting is so nice.

rg2

On 9/25/07, Roman Melihhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007&s=0&category=&blog=20070925153916
> ^^^ while the lane is still very green, first signs of the fall are
> placing spots on that carpetery...
>
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Re: Peso Stack o sticks

[Rebekah]

ewww. that was hilarious and disgusting at the same time.  thanks for that ;)

rg2

On 9/25/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh that's a messy picture Doug!  Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On 9/24/07, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > William Robb wrote:
> >
> > > I saw one on Saturday, though not as exciting as that. [...]
> >
> > My favorite was about 25 years ago.  I was headed up I-95 northbound
> > from Brunswick, GA, past Charleston, SC, to I-26 and home.  That stretch
> > of I-95 runs mostly through coastal lowlands and marshes.  So, it's long
> > straight flat stretches intermittently interrupted by low "ridges" for
> > the overpasses.
> >
> > There was a truck a mile or two ahead of me loaded with chicken cages
> > going to the processing plant.  If you've never seen one of these, the
> > cages are rectangular solids about two-feet square on the bottom and
> > maybe 9 or 10 inches tall.  And they stack them ten or twelve or so
> > layers deep on a flatbed rig to haul them.
> >
> > Well, anyway. This truck is almost exactly one "ridge" ahead of me.  For
> > several miles, just as I'm topping one of those overpass "ridges", I see
> > him topping the next one.  Then I don't see him until I top the next ridge.
> >
> > So, this goes on for like five ridges, then we reach an area where I-95
> > goes under the crossing road instead of going over it.  And that truck
> > is loaded about two layers of cages deeper than the overpass is tall.
> >
> > Just as I topped the last hill before that bridge, he's out of sight,
> > but I see this HUGE white cloud envelop the bridge.  Uh oh!  I knew what
> > just happened, so I parked on the side of the highway for a few minutes
> > to let the debris cloud settle.  Good thing I did, too.
> >
> > When I got there about ten minutes later, the mess was unimaginable.
> > And the cars who'd whipped past me while I waited for the cloud to
> > settle were now parked just beyond the mess picking feathers and
> > entrails off their cars.  I did have to hose the car off a couple of
> > miles down the road, but it was no big deal compared to what /those/
> > folks had to deal with. :-)
> >
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> > DougF (KG4LMZ)
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Re: Pentax Big Glass on eBay

[Mark Roberts]

> http://tinyurl.com/2xyq5s

I noticed this in the listing: "Lens Type: Zoom "

Shall I inquire as to what the exact zoom range is? (Or is "2000 to 
2000" too obviously the answer?) :-P


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Shades of the fall

[Roman Melihhov]

http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007&s=0&category=&blog=20070925153916
^^^ while the lane is still very green, first signs of the fall are 
placing spots on that carpetery...



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Re: Thinking of AF280T flash

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Axel Belinfante wrote:

>> Lighting the flash ready signal is not the same as responding to the
>> body's flash control protocol for  Flash EV Compensation, setting the
>> exposure time and lens opening automatically, allowing HSS, etc, that
>> are what a "dedicated" flash unit would imply. What Bill was looking
>> for was a flash that would do those dedicated features while using
>> its in-built Auto Flash sensor system, bypassing the P-TTL flash
>> metering. ...
>
> the question is what "dedication" implies. ...

Exactly. That's why I tried to be specific and put the word  
"dedicated" in quotes.

The modern bodies and flash systems are more tightly integrated than  
older systems and provide more features/functions. To get all the  
K10D's supported features, you need a dedicated flash that matches  
it. No older flash has all the capabilities that the K10D was  
designed to support. Whether you want or need them all is immaterial  
to that. I don't use or need most of the "dedicated" flash features  
and automation, but HSS and intelligent wireless remote operation  
could be useful to me once in a while. Since I don't have a  
"dedicated" flash unit, I do without them.

I use non-dedicated auto flash or simple manual flash units for my  
work, along with a flash meter.

Godfrey

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Re: manual (out of) focus(ing) zoom lenses...

[Frits Wüthrich]

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 20:53, Axel Belinfante wrote:
> picking up (d)slr again after some 5 years of mostly point and shoot,
> and trying to focus manually, I notice that I easily end up with
> out of focus shots unless I first zoom to longest focal length,
> focus, and zoom back.
> I don't recall doing that 5 years ago when I only had Z1 --
> (but maybe I did?)
> I'm aware that with k10d out-of-focus is easy to spot thanks
> to on-camera zoom-in lcd, but whether that explains it all?
>
> Axel - kind of confused.
I never did that with any camera. Do you have this problem with all your 
cameras?
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