Re: networking ubuntu and mint

[Michael Havens]

yeah I should have done this before I wrote but I asked google how to
apt-get it . and it did. so I didn't need to ask. Sorry! I thought it
would be something simple like apt-get nfs. But when I found out it wasn't
I figured it was complex and I needed to ask. Google first! then you.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> then it looks as if I'm going to abuse myself and go with NFS! So I guess
> I need to choose one of the three computers in my network to be the server.
> How can I tell the computer it is going to be a server? I was told that a
> linux server is merely a linux desktop with different programs installed by
> default.    Hm now that I think of it that doesn't make much
> sense. What programs do I need to install to make ubuntu 11.10 desktop into
> ubuntu 11.10 server?
>
> I just attempted to apt-get nfs but the shell is 'unable to locate' the
> package. Do I need to add a website to the repository list?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:56 PM, James Mcphee  wrote:
>
>> or sshfs.  a lot more overhead, but runs in userspace.
>>
>> I usually use nfs for those things.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Stephen  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm gonna take the sadistic answer and say man NFS.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> In all seriousness Linux to Linux its the way to go.
>>>
>>> Unless you want to learn rsync and simply have 2 copies of Your data
>>> which has a use also.
>>> On Dec 1, 2011 5:27 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>>
  well, i got the new hard drives in and so now i have ubuntu on the
 desktop and mint on the laptop. now i need direction! Could you point me to
 a quick networking guide so I can work on files between the two computers
 and print from either of them??

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Re: networking ubuntu and mint

[Michael Havens]

then it looks as if I'm going to abuse myself and go with NFS! So I guess I
need to choose one of the three computers in my network to be the server.
How can I tell the computer it is going to be a server? I was told that a
linux server is merely a linux desktop with different programs installed by
default.    Hm now that I think of it that doesn't make much
sense. What programs do I need to install to make ubuntu 11.10 desktop into
ubuntu 11.10 server?

I just attempted to apt-get nfs but the shell is 'unable to locate' the
package. Do I need to add a website to the repository list?

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:56 PM, James Mcphee  wrote:

> or sshfs.  a lot more overhead, but runs in userspace.
>
> I usually use nfs for those things.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Stephen  wrote:
>
>> I'm gonna take the sadistic answer and say man NFS.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> In all seriousness Linux to Linux its the way to go.
>>
>> Unless you want to learn rsync and simply have 2 copies of Your data
>> which has a use also.
>> On Dec 1, 2011 5:27 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>
>>>  well, i got the new hard drives in and so now i have ubuntu on the
>>> desktop and mint on the laptop. now i need direction! Could you point me to
>>> a quick networking guide so I can work on files between the two computers
>>> and print from either of them??
>>>
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Re: networking ubuntu and mint

[James Mcphee]

or sshfs.  a lot more overhead, but runs in userspace.

I usually use nfs for those things.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> I'm gonna take the sadistic answer and say man NFS.
>
> :-)
>
> In all seriousness Linux to Linux its the way to go.
>
> Unless you want to learn rsync and simply have 2 copies of Your data which
> has a use also.
> On Dec 1, 2011 5:27 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> well, i got the new hard drives in and so now i have ubuntu on the
>> desktop and mint on the laptop. now i need direction! Could you point me to
>> a quick networking guide so I can work on files between the two computers
>> and print from either of them??
>>
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Re: phone security?

[Stephen]

A couple things.

http://m.gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-everything-you-do

I can't remener if that was in this. But I found an app that when rooted
will scan you phone for some of this.

TrevE_Logging_TestApp_v7.apk

I still have to suggest CyanogenMod it really is nice.
On Dec 1, 2011 7:46 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:

> I would like to know, with this coming to light, can those of us with a
> phone
> that has the software installed "legally" break the contract with the
> company
> we are in?
>
> Granted, I rooted my Galaxy S and installed Cyanogenmod about 2 hours
> after I
> got the phone, I would break the contract and switch from my carrier just
> on
> principal. Any word about this?
>
> nathan
>
> On Thursday, December 01, 2011 17:56:42 Jim March wrote:
> > Once it's auto-updated itself to Android 2.3, the G2 is a stone-cold
> > bitch to root.  There's a full firmware update involved that does it's
> > absolute best to block you.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Stephen  wrote:
> > > The G2 isn't that bad. and Cyanogen runs well on it. friend of mine
> > > did that till he got fed up with T-Mobile service
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> It still appears to be the most systematic violation of Federal
> > >> wiretapping by a non-governmental party ever.  Lawsuits are absolutely
> > >> certain.
> > >>
> > >> Just for starters they recorded and transmitted usernames and
> > >> passwords for encrypted web-services like gmail - in the clear.
> > >>
> > >> I'm trying to figure out now if Tmobile is involved.  It turns out my
> > >> HTC G2 is a pain in the neck to fully root and re-ROM but I intend to
> > >> do so ASAP.
> > >>
> > >> What these asshats have done is way, way beyond "intolerable".
> > >>
> > >> Jim
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM, betty 
> wrote:
> > >>> what about this ?  i just figure there is no such thing as
> > >>> 'security' on a public device anyway. and if i got paranoid i could
> > >>> root the phone and install cyanogenmod.
> > >>> http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-
> > >>> everything-you-do
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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> > >>> www.webcanine.com
> > >>> information for people
> > >>> who care for dogs.
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Re: networking ubuntu and mint

[Stephen]

I'm gonna take the sadistic answer and say man NFS.

:-)

In all seriousness Linux to Linux its the way to go.

Unless you want to learn rsync and simply have 2 copies of Your data which
has a use also.
On Dec 1, 2011 5:27 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> well, i got the new hard drives in and so now i have ubuntu on the desktop
> and mint on the laptop. now i need direction! Could you point me to a quick
> networking guide so I can work on files between the two computers and print
> from either of them??
>
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Re: List Reminder

[Joseph Sinclair]

The list server (GNU Mailman) uses the password as a very minor gating element 
and it is not intended to be secure.  The server warns that the password is 
stored and emailed in clear text on the signup page.
  "You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, 
but should prevent others from messing with your subscription. Do not use a 
valuable password as it will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext."

On 12/01/2011 05:48 PM, James Crawford wrote:
> Why is the list server sending passwords with the member check
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Re: phone security?

[Nathan England]

I would like to know, with this coming to light, can those of us with a phone 
that has the software installed "legally" break the contract with the company 
we are in?

Granted, I rooted my Galaxy S and installed Cyanogenmod about 2 hours after I 
got the phone, I would break the contract and switch from my carrier just on 
principal. Any word about this?

nathan

On Thursday, December 01, 2011 17:56:42 Jim March wrote:
> Once it's auto-updated itself to Android 2.3, the G2 is a stone-cold
> bitch to root.  There's a full firmware update involved that does it's
> absolute best to block you.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Stephen  wrote:
> > The G2 isn't that bad. and Cyanogen runs well on it. friend of mine
> > did that till he got fed up with T-Mobile service
> > 
> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It still appears to be the most systematic violation of Federal
> >> wiretapping by a non-governmental party ever.  Lawsuits are absolutely
> >> certain.
> >> 
> >> Just for starters they recorded and transmitted usernames and
> >> passwords for encrypted web-services like gmail - in the clear.
> >> 
> >> I'm trying to figure out now if Tmobile is involved.  It turns out my
> >> HTC G2 is a pain in the neck to fully root and re-ROM but I intend to
> >> do so ASAP.
> >> 
> >> What these asshats have done is way, way beyond "intolerable".
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM, betty  wrote:
> >>> what about this ?  i just figure there is no such thing as
> >>> 'security' on a public device anyway. and if i got paranoid i could
> >>> root the phone and install cyanogenmod.
> >>> http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-
> >>> everything-you-do
> >>> 
> >>> --
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> >>> www.webcanine.com
> >>> information for people
> >>> who care for dogs.
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no suspend/sleep/etc

[Michael Havens]

I want to set my desktop so that only the video will turn off if it isn't
used for a while. I googled and found :

  *Disable sleep/standby/display sleep*
--
  I have an HTPC with a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H board and Athlon 64. I
have it connected via HDMI to my TV, and
 only control it using a remote. However, after about 15 minutes, some
sleep mode is activated, and the HDMI signal cuts
 out until I wiggle/click the mouse.
 I have the screensaver disabled in the Screensaver page of the
Settings Manager, so it's not that.
 My /etc/default/acpi-support reads:
followed by

So I thought to myself that this must be the way.

So this is what my how my acpi-support reads. Will this do what I want it
to do?


# Please specify a space separated list of options. The recommended value is
# "dbus pm-utils"
#
#SUSPEND_METHODS="dbus-pm dbus-hal pm-utils"



#
# LEGACY BUILT IN SUSPEND SUPPORT (DEPRECATED)
# 
#
# These options only work for the "acpi-support" suspend method. This is NOT
# recommended, but is retained for backward compatibility reasons.
#

# Comment the next line to disable ACPI suspend to RAM
#ACPI_SLEEP=true

# Comment the next line to disable suspend to disk
#ACPI_HIBERNATE=true

# Change the following to "standby" to use ACPI S1 sleep, rather than S3.
# This will save less power, but may work on more machines
#ACPI_SLEEP_MODE=mem

# Add modules to this list to have them removed before suspend and reloaded
# on resume. An example would be MODULES="em8300 yenta_socket"
#
# Note that network cards and USB controllers will automatically be
unloaded
# unless they're listed in MODULES_WHITELIST
#MODULES=""

# Add modules to this list to leave them in the kernel over suspend/resume
#MODULES_WHITELIST=""

# Should we save and restore state using the VESA BIOS Extensions?
#SAVE_VBE_STATE=true

# The file that we use to save the vbestate
#VBESTATE=/var/lib/acpi-support/vbestate

# Should we attempt to warm-boot the video hardware on resume?
#POST_VIDEO=true

# Save and restore video state?
# SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true

# Should we switch the screen off with DPMS on suspend?
#USE_DPMS=true

# Use Radeontool to switch the screen off? Seems to be needed on some
machines
# RADEON_LIGHT=true

# Uncomment the next line to switch away from X and back again after resume.
# This is needed for some hardware, but should be unnecessary on most.
# DOUBLE_CONSOLE_SWITCH=true

# Set the following to "platform" if you want to use ACPI to shut down
# your machine on hibernation
#HIBERNATE_MODE=shutdown

# Comment this out to disable screen locking on resume
#LOCK_SCREEN=true

# Uncomment this line to have DMA disabled before suspend and reenabled
# afterwards
# DISABLE_DMA=true

# Uncomment this line to attempt to reset the drive on resume. This seems
# to be needed for some Sonys
# RESET_DRIVE=true

# Add services to this list to stop them before suspend and restart them in
# the resume process.
#STOP_SERVICES=""

# Restart Infra Red services on resume - off by default as it crashes some
# machines
#RESTART_IRDA=false

# Add to this list network interfaces that you don't want to be stopped
# during suspend (in fact any network interface whose name starts with
# a prefix given in this list is skipped)
#SKIP_INTERFACES="dummy qemu"

# Note: to enable "laptop mode" (to spin down your hard drive for longer
# periods of time), install the laptop-mode-tools package and configure it
in
/etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf.
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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Lyle Tuttle]

Let's see...we magnetize a small chunk of material, then pass the 
same "chunk" past a 'reading head', which one might visualize as a 
small coil of wire...and as it passes past the 'magnet', a small 
electric charge is generated in the coil of wire.which is read as 
a 1 or a 0 (it is, or it isn't)..


We reverse that procedure to 'write' to the assembly of 'chunks', ie, 
hard drive or flash memory.


So am EMF will wipe it all askew.IMHO

lyle

At 12:27 PM 12/1/2011, Eric Cope wrote:
EMPs affect more than just magnetic media. If the EMP puts a high 
enough electric field across the flash cells, it can erase/write the SSD too.


Magnets won't affect SSDs. Flash memory is electric field based.

Eric

On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know one way to find out: take an SSD full of data out of it's
> computer and put it between a couple of hard disk magnets...
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 AM, der.hans  wrote:
>> moin moin,
>>
>> discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).
>>
>> Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?
>>
>> A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> ciao,
>>
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Re: phone security?

[Jim March]

Once it's auto-updated itself to Android 2.3, the G2 is a stone-cold
bitch to root.  There's a full firmware update involved that does it's
absolute best to block you.

Jim

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Stephen  wrote:
> The G2 isn't that bad. and Cyanogen runs well on it. friend of mine
> did that till he got fed up with T-Mobile service
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It still appears to be the most systematic violation of Federal
>> wiretapping by a non-governmental party ever.  Lawsuits are absolutely
>> certain.
>>
>> Just for starters they recorded and transmitted usernames and
>> passwords for encrypted web-services like gmail - in the clear.
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out now if Tmobile is involved.  It turns out my
>> HTC G2 is a pain in the neck to fully root and re-ROM but I intend to
>> do so ASAP.
>>
>> What these asshats have done is way, way beyond "intolerable".
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM, betty  wrote:
>>> what about this ?  i just figure there is no such thing as 'security' on a
>>> public device anyway. and if i got paranoid i could root the phone and
>>> install cyanogenmod.
>>> http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-everything-you-do
>>>
>>> --
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>>> www.webcanine.com
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networking ubuntu and mint

[Michael Havens]

well, i got the new hard drives in and so now i have ubuntu on the desktop
and mint on the laptop. now i need direction! Could you point me to a quick
networking guide so I can work on files between the two computers and print
from either of them??

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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Technomage Hawke]

I tried 11.10 on a default installation. the unity interface sux so bad that 
accessibility for it is a major lesson in futility. Opensuse isn't far behind 
it either. I fought all day with OpenSuse to no avail. no proper accessibility 
in gnome 3, kde is worthless and don't even ask about unity. 

at least VINUX has it together. full accessibility on the desktop using orca or 
using a console (no X) and emacspeak. 

frankly, I wish the other distress would get with the program. there are a lot 
of us blind folks that would like to use a computer, if only it didn't cost so 
much to make windows accessible.

-eric

On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote:

> On 11/30/2011 05:05 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>> I've used every version of ubuntu since 6.04 on the desktop (and
>> extensive server) full-time, and while it's always been a bit cranky, it
>> was always the most together and solid linux. Packaging was simply never
>> a problem, nor were dependencies (ahem, redhat and spawn).
> 
> Ahem. 1995 called, they want their FUD back. Package dependencies has not 
> been a problem since up2date first, and now yum.
> 
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Re: phone security?

[Stephen]

The G2 isn't that bad. and Cyanogen runs well on it. friend of mine
did that till he got fed up with T-Mobile service



On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It still appears to be the most systematic violation of Federal
> wiretapping by a non-governmental party ever.  Lawsuits are absolutely
> certain.
>
> Just for starters they recorded and transmitted usernames and
> passwords for encrypted web-services like gmail - in the clear.
>
> I'm trying to figure out now if Tmobile is involved.  It turns out my
> HTC G2 is a pain in the neck to fully root and re-ROM but I intend to
> do so ASAP.
>
> What these asshats have done is way, way beyond "intolerable".
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM, betty  wrote:
>> what about this ?  i just figure there is no such thing as 'security' on a
>> public device anyway. and if i got paranoid i could root the phone and
>> install cyanogenmod.
>> http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-everything-you-do
>>
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>> who care for dogs.
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Re: power control (was sleep mode)

[Stephen]

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jupiter/index.php

its a thought...

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> I tried that. The program shows when I type it in but when I click the
> program nothing shows up.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Stephen  wrote:
>>
>> Yes when on battery it should change again. Maybe looking in your program
>> menus might finger the management interface
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I just saw the lightning bolt again and what it says is:
>>>
>>>  Maximum performance mode
>>>
>>> Does this sound like something Jupiter does?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Havens 
>>> wrote:

 hey, I just woke my computer up and a box appeared in the center of the
 bottom of my screen with a lightning bolt and the words 'system at optimum
 performance' (or something similar). So it looks as if Jupiter is
 running I just can't control it.

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Michael Havens 
 wrote:
>

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Re: phone security?

[Jim March]

It still appears to be the most systematic violation of Federal
wiretapping by a non-governmental party ever.  Lawsuits are absolutely
certain.

Just for starters they recorded and transmitted usernames and
passwords for encrypted web-services like gmail - in the clear.

I'm trying to figure out now if Tmobile is involved.  It turns out my
HTC G2 is a pain in the neck to fully root and re-ROM but I intend to
do so ASAP.

What these asshats have done is way, way beyond "intolerable".

Jim

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM, betty  wrote:
> what about this ?  i just figure there is no such thing as 'security' on a
> public device anyway. and if i got paranoid i could root the phone and
> install cyanogenmod.
> http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-everything-you-do
>
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Re: power control (was sleep mode)

[Michael Havens]

I tried that. The program shows when I type it in but when I click the
program nothing shows up.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> Yes when on battery it should change again. Maybe looking in your program
> menus might finger the management interface
> On Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> I just saw the lightning bolt again and what it says is:
>>
>>  Maximum performance mode
>>
>> Does this sound like something Jupiter does?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>>> hey, I just woke my computer up and a box appeared in the center of the
>>> bottom of my screen with a lightning bolt and the words 'system at optimum
>>> performance' (or something similar). So it looks as if Jupiter is
>>> running I just can't control it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
  that's what I thought.
 p and a box pulled mputer up

>  On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Michael Havens 
> wrote:
> > Could the problem be that I am running LinuxMint and not Ubuntu?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Michael Havens 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> the lightning bolt didn't show up anywhere.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> thanks stephen
> >>> t
> >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Stephen 
> wrote:
> 
>  your making this much harder than it needs to be.
> 
>  They have an Ubuntu install option that does not entail useing an
> RPM
>  http://www.jupiterapplet.org/downloads.html there is ubuntu.
>  wich takes you to
>  https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/jupiter
>  repo add insturctioyns from the same page:
>  https://launchpad.net/+help-soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html
> 
>  they then have instructions on how to add the repo which you cna
> then
>  use apt-get or my favorite aptitude to install.
> 
>  On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Michael Havens  >
>  wrote:
>  > Thanks for inspiring me. My system is Ubuntu based so first I
> had to
>  > google
>  > for converting RPM to deb and I found Alien. So I run alien and
> it
>  > runs
>  > successfuly (I think). But no lightning bolt anywhere to be
> seen! Any
>  > ideas
>  > what I did wrong?
>  >
>  > bmike1@Michaels-Presario ~/Programs/Jupiter $ sudo alien -i *
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
> Signature,
>  > key ID
>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>  > Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package jupiter:
> postinst
>  > Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.r

Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Michael Havens]

lol

>>>/me pounds cane on the floor and looks for dentures

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phone security?

[betty]

what about this ?  i just figure there is no such thing as 'security' on 
a public device anyway. and if i got paranoid i could root the phone and 
install cyanogenmod.

http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-everything-you-do

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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[keith smith]

Wouldn't you be better off saving your HAM radio at that point?  We could 
discuss this forever, however if there is an EMP we have bigger problems. 



Keith Smith

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From: Matt Graham 
Subject: Re: OT: SSD and EMP
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 12:36 PM

From: keith smith 
> That [raises] the question - if the device you store your data on
> is not [affected] by an EMP what will you read it with?  And how
> will you use the data?  Every part of our computers will be [affected]
> - destroyed. 

This is why the discerning paranoiacs always keep a spare laptop inside a
Faraday cage in case of nearby nuclear weapons tests.  :-P

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Re: determining processor

[Michael Havens]

hmm. interesting!

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> Just because you are running a 64bit machine, that does not mean you are
> running a 32bit OS.  The version of Ubuntu you installed was probably 32
> bit.  You can install a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit machine, just not the
> reverse.
>
> HTH
> Kevin
>
> On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 13:28 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > Thanks Kevin. I see in my cpuinfo flags that I support long mode too.
> > But why, when I tried to install that in the kernel, did it complain
> > until I put in the 32 bit version?
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kevin Fries 
> > wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > Linux is nothing if not a chatty beast ;-)
> >
> > To find out everything you every wanted to know about your
> > CPU, you can
> > look at /proc/cpuinfo.
> >
> > My system I am on right now is a System76 Lemur, and it runs a
> > I3
> > mobile.  If I look in that file, I will see:
> >
> > vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
> > model name  : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU   U 330  @
> > 1.20GHz
> > cpu MHz : 1199.000
> >
> > among other things.  But the real keys to the kingdom is a
> > field called
> > FLAGS.
> >
> > flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep
> > mtrr pge mca cmov
> > pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
> > syscall nx
> > rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl
> > xtopology
> > nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2
> > ssse3 cx16
> > xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm arat dts tpr_shadow
> > vnmi
> > flexpriority ept vpid
> >
> > You Google those flags and you will find out EXACTLY what your
> > CPU does
> > and does not support.  So, to answer your question
> > specifically, I look
> > in the flags and see a flag "lm", which stands for "long mode"
> > which is
> > uber-geek speak for 64bit mode.
> >
> > And sure enough, my system is running Ubuntu 11.10 in 64 bit
> > mode.
> >
> > Hope this Helps
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:38 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > > 1- I D/L a distribution
> > > 2- because I have no RW DVDs I burn the CD version
> > > 3- I install the CD version
> > > 4- After running the the install there is an ICON that says
> > 'upgrade
> > > to the DVD' so I upgrade
> > > 5- my system starts to panic when running off of the battery
> > so it is
> > > wisely suggested to upgrade  my kernel.  So I am doing so it
> > asks me
> > > what kernel I am running. It had been said on the list that
> > my kernel
> > > is the 64 bit kind but when I tried to upgrade to the 64bit
> > kernel the
> > > computer complained and said 'wrong architecture'.
> > > 6- I installed the kernel for the i386 and have been happily
> > running
> > > it now for a couple of days
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > Was I supposed to do something to make it see that it is a
> > 64?
> > > Would it run if an i386 was installed on a 64?
> > > Does it really matter?
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Re: determining processor

[Kevin Fries]

Just because you are running a 64bit machine, that does not mean you are
running a 32bit OS.  The version of Ubuntu you installed was probably 32
bit.  You can install a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit machine, just not the
reverse.

HTH
Kevin

On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 13:28 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> Thanks Kevin. I see in my cpuinfo flags that I support long mode too.
> But why, when I tried to install that in the kernel, did it complain
> until I put in the 32 bit version?
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kevin Fries 
> wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> Linux is nothing if not a chatty beast ;-)
> 
> To find out everything you every wanted to know about your
> CPU, you can
> look at /proc/cpuinfo.
> 
> My system I am on right now is a System76 Lemur, and it runs a
> I3
> mobile.  If I look in that file, I will see:
> 
> vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
> model name  : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU   U 330  @
> 1.20GHz
> cpu MHz : 1199.000
> 
> among other things.  But the real keys to the kingdom is a
> field called
> FLAGS.
> 
> flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep
> mtrr pge mca cmov
> pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
> syscall nx
> rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl
> xtopology
> nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2
> ssse3 cx16
> xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm arat dts tpr_shadow
> vnmi
> flexpriority ept vpid
> 
> You Google those flags and you will find out EXACTLY what your
> CPU does
> and does not support.  So, to answer your question
> specifically, I look
> in the flags and see a flag "lm", which stands for "long mode"
> which is
> uber-geek speak for 64bit mode.
> 
> And sure enough, my system is running Ubuntu 11.10 in 64 bit
> mode.
> 
> Hope this Helps
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:38 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > 1- I D/L a distribution
> > 2- because I have no RW DVDs I burn the CD version
> > 3- I install the CD version
> > 4- After running the the install there is an ICON that says
> 'upgrade
> > to the DVD' so I upgrade
> > 5- my system starts to panic when running off of the battery
> so it is
> > wisely suggested to upgrade  my kernel.  So I am doing so it
> asks me
> > what kernel I am running. It had been said on the list that
> my kernel
> > is the 64 bit kind but when I tried to upgrade to the 64bit
> kernel the
> > computer complained and said 'wrong architecture'.
> > 6- I installed the kernel for the i386 and have been happily
> running
> > it now for a couple of days
> >
> > Questions:
> > Was I supposed to do something to make it see that it is a
> 64?
> > Would it run if an i386 was installed on a 64?
> > Does it really matter?
> > --
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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Stephen]

Incorrect as it is still suseptable to static shock or electrical shock.

Just like any other electrical component.
On Dec 1, 2011 11:52 AM, "der.hans"  wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).
>
> Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?
>
> A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
> Is that correct?
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: power control (was sleep mode)

[Stephen]

Yes when on battery it should change again. Maybe looking in your program
menus might finger the management interface
On Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> I just saw the lightning bolt again and what it says is:
>
>  Maximum performance mode
>
> Does this sound like something Jupiter does?
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> hey, I just woke my computer up and a box appeared in the center of the
>> bottom of my screen with a lightning bolt and the words 'system at optimum
>> performance' (or something similar). So it looks as if Jupiter is
>> running I just can't control it.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>>
>>>  that's what I thought.
>>> p and a box pulled mputer up
>>>
  On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Michael Havens 
 wrote:
 > Could the problem be that I am running LinuxMint and not Ubuntu?
 >
 > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Michael Havens 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> the lightning bolt didn't show up anywhere.
 >>
 >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens 
 wrote:
 >>>
 >>> thanks stephen
 >>> t
 >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Stephen 
 wrote:
 
  your making this much harder than it needs to be.
 
  They have an Ubuntu install option that does not entail useing an
 RPM
  http://www.jupiterapplet.org/downloads.html there is ubuntu.
  wich takes you to
  https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/jupiter
  repo add insturctioyns from the same page:
  https://launchpad.net/+help-soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html
 
  they then have instructions on how to add the repo which you cna
 then
  use apt-get or my favorite aptitude to install.
 
  On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Michael Havens 
  wrote:
  > Thanks for inspiring me. My system is Ubuntu based so first I
 had to
  > google
  > for converting RPM to deb and I found Alien. So I run alien and
 it
  > runs
  > successfuly (I think). But no lightning bolt anywhere to be
 seen! Any
  > ideas
  > what I did wrong?
  >
  > bmike1@Michaels-Presario ~/Programs/Jupiter $ sudo alien -i *
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package jupiter:
 postinst
  > Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
 Signature,
  > key ID
  > 069c119e: NOKEY
  > dpkg --no-force-overwrite -i jupiter_0.0.51-4_all.deb
  > Selecting previously deselected package jupiter.
  > (Reading database ... 172494 files and directories currently

Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Joseph Sinclair]

This is correct.
EMP will kill SSD easier than even the chips or magnetic media. This is 
primarily because EMP will induce a capacitive load in the floating gate of the 
NAND cell; this will turn every bit in the chip to a '1'.  SSD floating gate 
charge is extremely small, so it doesn't take much of an EMP to wipe the 
devices.
Place any *unshielded* SSD within 3 meters of a 1000KV power line for a couple 
seconds and you'll see the same effect.
That said, many actual internal SSD drives (as opposed to flash media, USB 
drives, or mSATA drives) are available with conductive and grounded cases; 
those would probably not loose data as they're, effectively, inside a Faraday 
Cage structure already (as long as the ground connection is sufficiently 
conductive).

On 12/01/2011 12:25 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
> Not magnetic per se, but I think an emp would kill it for the same reason 
> static discharge will fry an IC, of which it has plenty.  I'll bet the nand 
> flash doesn't get along with EM very well either.
> 
> -mb
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2011 11:56 AM, der.hans wrote:
>> moin moin,
>>
>> discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).
>>
>> Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?
>>
>> A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
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Re: determining processor

[Michael Havens]

Thanks Kevin. I see in my cpuinfo flags that I support long mode too. But
why, when I tried to install that in the kernel, did it complain until I
put in the 32 bit version?

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Linux is nothing if not a chatty beast ;-)
>
> To find out everything you every wanted to know about your CPU, you can
> look at /proc/cpuinfo.
>
> My system I am on right now is a System76 Lemur, and it runs a I3
> mobile.  If I look in that file, I will see:
>
> vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
> model name  : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU   U 330  @ 1.20GHz
> cpu MHz : 1199.000
>
> among other things.  But the real keys to the kingdom is a field called
> FLAGS.
>
> flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca
> cmov
> pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx
> rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology
> nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16
> xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm arat dts tpr_shadow vnmi
> flexpriority ept vpid
>
> You Google those flags and you will find out EXACTLY what your CPU does
> and does not support.  So, to answer your question specifically, I look
> in the flags and see a flag "lm", which stands for "long mode" which is
> uber-geek speak for 64bit mode.
>
> And sure enough, my system is running Ubuntu 11.10 in 64 bit mode.
>
> Hope this Helps
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:38 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > 1- I D/L a distribution
> > 2- because I have no RW DVDs I burn the CD version
> > 3- I install the CD version
> > 4- After running the the install there is an ICON that says 'upgrade
> > to the DVD' so I upgrade
> > 5- my system starts to panic when running off of the battery so it is
> > wisely suggested to upgrade  my kernel.  So I am doing so it asks me
> > what kernel I am running. It had been said on the list that my kernel
> > is the 64 bit kind but when I tried to upgrade to the 64bit kernel the
> > computer complained and said 'wrong architecture'.
> > 6- I installed the kernel for the i386 and have been happily running
> > it now for a couple of days
> >
> > Questions:
> > Was I supposed to do something to make it see that it is a 64?
> > Would it run if an i386 was installed on a 64?
> > Does it really matter?
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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Michael Butash]

If you look at the general pattern of linux-based netbook's, I think 
they were somewhat ill-received because they tried the captive 
portal/single-pane approach.  I bought an Asus EEEBox to use as a 
portable server, but I played with the interface before nuking it.  It 
was horribly inadequate/crippled for desktop use forcing a single pane 
without windowing, and was kludgy compared to true touch-based device it 
was trying to emulate.  Worked great with ubuntu server with text on it 
though once I nuked the disks.  :)


Fist time I saw unity, I thought "good god, someone thought that eee 
linux interface was a good idea".  Then somehow gnome shell fell inline 
too.  I guess the non-oldschool linux geeks probably want something more 
ipod-ish (eww), but I think the general decline of ubuntu users 
(directly inverse to mint's rise) and intertube outrage toward 
unity/gshell says enough that this is NOT what current linux users want.


That said, microsoft is again playing catchup (again) to this linux 
trend - last time i saw images of win8, it looks like unity/gshell too. 
 Just like vista looked way too much like compiz/beryl by the time it 
came out.  Either way, I suppose everything will just mimic an ipod for 
saleability to cattle soon regardless.  Everyone else will still be 
using gnome2 forks with xp vm's like our cranky old parents still 
clinging to the good old days.


/me pounds cane on the floor and looks for dentures

-mb


On 12/01/2011 12:46 PM, Ted Gould wrote:

On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:36 -0700, Kevin Fries wrote:

Canonical started with Gnome3, and got upset about Gnome-Shell, so
decided to write their own to "fix" what they perceived as a problem.


Just to clear up some factual inaccuracies here.  What is now Unity
started as Netbook Launcher and pre-dates GNOME Shell.  I, along with
several other Canonical employees, attended the GNOME design sprint
where GNOME Shell was born and we decided to stick with the path we were
on instead of adopting that one.  Later we ported Unity to the
GNOME3/GTK3 stack after it was released and mostly stable.

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Re: determining processor

[Kevin Fries]

Michael,

Linux is nothing if not a chatty beast ;-)

To find out everything you every wanted to know about your CPU, you can
look at /proc/cpuinfo.

My system I am on right now is a System76 Lemur, and it runs a I3
mobile.  If I look in that file, I will see:

vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
model name  : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU   U 330  @ 1.20GHz
cpu MHz : 1199.000

among other things.  But the real keys to the kingdom is a field called
FLAGS.

flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx
rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology
nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16
xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm arat dts tpr_shadow vnmi
flexpriority ept vpid

You Google those flags and you will find out EXACTLY what your CPU does
and does not support.  So, to answer your question specifically, I look
in the flags and see a flag "lm", which stands for "long mode" which is
uber-geek speak for 64bit mode.

And sure enough, my system is running Ubuntu 11.10 in 64 bit mode.

Hope this Helps
Kevin



On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:38 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> 1- I D/L a distribution 
> 2- because I have no RW DVDs I burn the CD version
> 3- I install the CD version
> 4- After running the the install there is an ICON that says 'upgrade
> to the DVD' so I upgrade
> 5- my system starts to panic when running off of the battery so it is
> wisely suggested to upgrade  my kernel.  So I am doing so it asks me
> what kernel I am running. It had been said on the list that my kernel
> is the 64 bit kind but when I tried to upgrade to the 64bit kernel the
> computer complained and said 'wrong architecture'.
> 6- I installed the kernel for the i386 and have been happily running
> it now for a couple of days
> 
> Questions:
> Was I supposed to do something to make it see that it is a 64? 
> Would it run if an i386 was installed on a 64?
> Does it really matter?
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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Ted Gould]

On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:36 -0700, Kevin Fries wrote:
> Canonical started with Gnome3, and got upset about Gnome-Shell, so
> decided to write their own to "fix" what they perceived as a problem.

Just to clear up some factual inaccuracies here.  What is now Unity
started as Netbook Launcher and pre-dates GNOME Shell.  I, along with
several other Canonical employees, attended the GNOME design sprint
where GNOME Shell was born and we decided to stick with the path we were
on instead of adopting that one.  Later we ported Unity to the
GNOME3/GTK3 stack after it was released and mostly stable.

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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Ted Gould]

On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:12 -0700, Michael Butash wrote:
> Biggest reason for me to be rid of it is I can't spawn unity 
> menus on each framebuffer set, so nothing on my second monitor set had 
> menus...  Brilliant!

Yup, that sucks.  It's on the list of things to fix as part of the
multimonitor work going on for 12.04.

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-multi-monitor

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determining processor

[Michael Havens]

1- I D/L a distribution
2- because I have no RW DVDs I burn the CD version
3- I install the CD version
4- After running the the install there is an ICON that says 'upgrade to the
DVD' so I upgrade
5- my system starts to panic when running off of the battery so it is
wisely suggested to upgrade  my kernel.  So I am doing so it asks me what
kernel I am running. It had been said on the list that my kernel is the 64
bit kind but when I tried to upgrade to the 64bit kernel the computer
complained and said 'wrong architecture'.
6- I installed the kernel for the i386 and have been happily running it now
for a couple of days

Questions:
Was I supposed to do something to make it see that it is a 64?
Would it run if an i386 was installed on a 64?
Does it really matter?
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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Matt Graham]

From: keith smith 
> That [raises] the question - if the device you store your data on
> is not [affected] by an EMP what will you read it with?  And how
> will you use the data?  Every part of our computers will be [affected]
> - destroyed. 

This is why the discerning paranoiacs always keep a spare laptop inside a
Faraday cage in case of nearby nuclear weapons tests.  :-P

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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Kevin Fries]

On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 12:12 -0700, Michael Butash wrote:
> Agreed - that was one of the first things I killed:
> 
> sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt
> 
> Just reverse that to put it back if you really miss the stupid mac-like 
> behavior.  Biggest reason for me to be rid of it is I can't spawn unity 
> menus on each framebuffer set, so nothing on my second monitor set had 
> menus...  Brilliant!
> 
> This was a good find for making oneiric suck less:
> 
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

Canonical started with Gnome3, and got upset about Gnome-Shell, so
decided to write their own to "fix" what they perceived as a problem.
To me, this was just as successful as the government "fixing" the drug
problem.  Therefore, many of the problems you prerceive are actually
Gnome & GTK issues, not Unity.

One of the biggest mistakes Canonical made was going it alone with
Unity, instead of working within.  So, for example, the menus
disappeared in Gnome-Shell, but others worked within the system to fix
the problem, and extensions now exist... For Shell.  I have a places
menu, and a desktops menu on my bar, but I decided to not enable the
applications menu.  I may try docky next to get my launchbar back again.

I know the buttons disappeared on Gnome-Shell, but again, I think this
was a GTK change, not a Shell change.  So... Unity probably got caught
up in it.  I turned the min/max buttons back on for a while with a gconf
setting (I have since turned it off, forced myself to use the new
paradigm, and retrained myself to the point where I don't miss it any
more because I am more productive using the new way).

To turn the menus back on your windows, look in GConf.  To turn you
min/max buttons on, also look in GConf.  You may need to go directly
into the editor, since Canonical decided you don't need these settings
(OK, I guess I am just getting cranky now, and need to stop).

Kevin

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Re: stretched screen

[Michael Butash]

Go here, get the blob:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx

Download to your home directory.

Enable f-lock, Hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, login, "sudo service lightdm stop" to 
kill the desktop, "sudo sh `ls ati*`", walk through it, reboot.


After reboot just go into system/properties in the ATI application and 
configure the display like windoze there.


Google "ati driver linux install" for more detail.  You can make 
packages as well that are more apt-friendly to update, but not sure mint 
is supported like ubuntu.


-mb


On 12/01/2011 11:02 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

lspci says this about the video:
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9804

'X.org video driver' is the only information I can find about the video
driver



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Michael Butash mailto:mich...@butash.net>> wrote:

Drivers probably aren't working right and probing the right
resolutions from the display.  Check your drivers in
/etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  What kind of video is
it?  If ati/nvidia, you'll want to install the proprietary blob
drivers to get any level of performance and features.

-mb



On 11/30/2011 08:44 PM, James Mcphee wrote:

xrandr --auto  ?

On Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM, "Michael Havens" mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

I was playing a game and after I closed the game the screen was
stretched. I tried 'system settings' but it was too basic. I
googled
'linux mint 12 screen stretch' But that didn't tell me anything...

Then I figured I would restart it and see if that would fix
it and
it did. Any idea how I can fix it without the restart?

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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Eric Cope]

EMPs affect more than just magnetic media. If the EMP puts a high enough 
electric field across the flash cells, it can erase/write the SSD too. 

Magnets won't affect SSDs. Flash memory is electric field based. 

Eric

On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know one way to find out: take an SSD full of data out of it's
> computer and put it between a couple of hard disk magnets...
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 AM, der.hans  wrote:
>> moin moin,
>> 
>> discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).
>> 
>> Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?
>> 
>> A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
>> Is that correct?
>> 
>> ciao,
>> 
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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[keith smith]

That begs the question - if the device you store your data on is not effected 
by an emp what will you read it with?  And how will you use the data?  Every 
part of our computers will be effected - destroyed. 



Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 12/1/11, der.hans  wrote:

From: der.hans 
Subject: OT: SSD and EMP
To: "quatsch" 
Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:56 AM

moin moin,

discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).

Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?

A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
Is that correct?

ciao,

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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Michael Butash]

Not magnetic per se, but I think an emp would kill it for the same 
reason static discharge will fry an IC, of which it has plenty.  I'll 
bet the nand flash doesn't get along with EM very well either.


-mb


On 12/01/2011 11:56 AM, der.hans wrote:

moin moin,

discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).

Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?

A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
Is that correct?

ciao,

der.hans

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Re: compress pictures

[Matt Graham]

From: Michael Havens 
>> That's "tar cjf images.tar.bz2 images/" to create compressed tarballs
>> of everything in the images/ dir.  Replace "tar cjf" with "tar xjf"
>> to uncompress.
> I want to keep the original files I'm going to compress.

tar as invoked with c above won't delete or change the files it's turning into
a compressed tarball.

> the man file it looks as if I should use the option '--backup'.

Not really.

> or should I just copy the directories I want to archive?

Unnecessary.  Try creating a tarball on a dir with some files you don't care
about and see.

> when I append these files from the top level directory will it append
> the files under it as well?

Appending files to a compressed tar file probably won't do what you want. 
Remember that tar was originally a TapeARchiver , and tapes aren't seekable in
the way disks are, and the way it works makes a bit more sense.  If you want
to make a compressed archive and change it often, zip would probably be easier
than tar.

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Re: OT: SSD and EMP

[Jim March]

I know one way to find out: take an SSD full of data out of it's
computer and put it between a couple of hard disk magnets...

Jim

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 AM, der.hans  wrote:
> moin moin,
>
> discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).
>
> Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?
>
> A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
> Is that correct?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Michael Butash]

Agreed - that was one of the first things I killed:

sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt

Just reverse that to put it back if you really miss the stupid mac-like 
behavior.  Biggest reason for me to be rid of it is I can't spawn unity 
menus on each framebuffer set, so nothing on my second monitor set had 
menus...  Brilliant!


This was a good find for making oneiric suck less:

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

-mb


On 12/01/2011 11:34 AM, Ariel Gold wrote:

I just started using 11.10 and Unity and the only thing I find annoying
is hiding the File, Edit, etc menu and minimize, close buttons until you
hover over themand that I needed to know ctrl-alt-t opens a terminal...


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Michael Butash mailto:mich...@butash.net>> wrote:

Correct, though those came long after it'd already nauseated me the
first time.  When I needed to compile everything I needed anyways,
slack was a much better option - in 1999.

Fast forward to 2007, the last time I purposely had to deal with
RHEL, my experiences were not all that dissimilar.  Much of the
software I use is of a network monitoring nature (snmp, perl,
pgsql), and for better or worse a lot of dependencies that simply
didn't exist in repos.  I ended up having to compile a lot of
things, and still fell into weird linking errors to things that were
simply never an issue in ubuntu whether I had to roll my own or not.
  It was just as cranky as it was 7 years prior.

Perhaps I'm a bit grizzled and stubborn, but I really don't get why
I or my companies should use RH or its ilk.  It's always felt...
solaris-ish - day late, dollar short.  With ubuntu on the poop list
these days too, I need to rediscover new/old options so maybe I'll
see what the rpm loving world has to offer these days.

-mb



On 11/30/2011 11:47 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote:

On 11/30/2011 05:05 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

I've used every version of ubuntu since 6.04 on the desktop (and
extensive server) full-time, and while it's always been a
bit cranky, it
was always the most together and solid linux. Packaging was
simply never
a problem, nor were dependencies (ahem, redhat and spawn).


Ahem. 1995 called, they want their FUD back. Package
dependencies has
not been a problem since up2date first, and now yum.

TC
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OT: SSD and EMP

[der.hans]

moin moin,

discussing things at work and EMPs came up. It was almost on topic :).

Anyway, an EMP would knock out data on hard drives, would it not?

A co-worker says SSD is not magnetic, so would not be affected by an EMP.
Is that correct?

ciao,

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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Ariel Gold]

I just started using 11.10 and Unity and the only thing I find annoying is
hiding the File, Edit, etc menu and minimize, close buttons until you hover
over themand that I needed to know ctrl-alt-t opens a terminal...


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> Correct, though those came long after it'd already nauseated me the first
> time.  When I needed to compile everything I needed anyways, slack was a
> much better option - in 1999.
>
> Fast forward to 2007, the last time I purposely had to deal with RHEL, my
> experiences were not all that dissimilar.  Much of the software I use is of
> a network monitoring nature (snmp, perl, pgsql), and for better or worse a
> lot of dependencies that simply didn't exist in repos.  I ended up having
> to compile a lot of things, and still fell into weird linking errors to
> things that were simply never an issue in ubuntu whether I had to roll my
> own or not.  It was just as cranky as it was 7 years prior.
>
> Perhaps I'm a bit grizzled and stubborn, but I really don't get why I or
> my companies should use RH or its ilk.  It's always felt... solaris-ish -
> day late, dollar short.  With ubuntu on the poop list these days too, I
> need to rediscover new/old options so maybe I'll see what the rpm loving
> world has to offer these days.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2011 11:47 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>
>> On 11/30/2011 05:05 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>>> I've used every version of ubuntu since 6.04 on the desktop (and
>>> extensive server) full-time, and while it's always been a bit cranky, it
>>> was always the most together and solid linux. Packaging was simply never
>>> a problem, nor were dependencies (ahem, redhat and spawn).
>>>
>>
>> Ahem. 1995 called, they want their FUD back. Package dependencies has
>> not been a problem since up2date first, and now yum.
>>
>> TC
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Re: stretched screen

[Michael Havens]

lspci says this about the video:
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9804

'X.org video driver' is the only information I can find about the video
driver



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> Drivers probably aren't working right and probing the right resolutions
> from the display.  Check your drivers in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  What kind of video is it?  If ati/nvidia, you'll want
> to install the proprietary blob drivers to get any level of performance and
> features.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2011 08:44 PM, James Mcphee wrote:
>
>> xrandr --auto  ?
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM, "Michael Havens" > > wrote:
>>
>>I was playing a game and after I closed the game the screen was
>>stretched. I tried 'system settings' but it was too basic. I googled
>>'linux mint 12 screen stretch' But that didn't tell me anything...
>>
>>Then I figured I would restart it and see if that would fix it and
>>it did. Any idea how I can fix it without the restart?
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Re: stretched screen

[Michael Havens]

well... what it did is make it look like a square monitor is in my wide
screen. I'll try your method if it happens again. Thanks for the help.



I know we're using different distros, but crtl+alt with "+" or "-" on
> the numbers pad works in openSuse.
>
> HTH,
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Re: stretched screen

[mz]

On 11/30/2011 08:37 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
> I was playing a game and after I closed the game the screen was stretched.
> I tried 'system settings' but it was too basic. I googled 'linux mint 12
> screen stretch' But that didn't tell me anything...
> 
> Then I figured I would restart it and see if that would fix it and it did.
> Any idea how I can fix it without the restart?
> 

I know we're using different distros, but crtl+alt with "+" or "-" on
the numbers pad works in openSuse.

HTH,
Mark Z.
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power control (was sleep mode)

[Michael Havens]

I just saw the lightning bolt again and what it says is:

 Maximum performance mode

Does this sound like something Jupiter does?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> hey, I just woke my computer up and a box appeared in the center of the
> bottom of my screen with a lightning bolt and the words 'system at optimum
> performance' (or something similar). So it looks as if Jupiter is
> running I just can't control it.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>>  that's what I thought.
>> p and a box pulled mputer up
>>
>>>  On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Michael Havens 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Could the problem be that I am running LinuxMint and not Ubuntu?
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Michael Havens 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> the lightning bolt didn't show up anywhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michael Havens 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> thanks stephen
>>> >>> t
>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Stephen 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  your making this much harder than it needs to be.
>>> 
>>>  They have an Ubuntu install option that does not entail useing an
>>> RPM
>>>  http://www.jupiterapplet.org/downloads.html there is ubuntu.
>>>  wich takes you to
>>>  https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/jupiter
>>>  repo add insturctioyns from the same page:
>>>  https://launchpad.net/+help-soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html
>>> 
>>>  they then have instructions on how to add the repo which you cna
>>> then
>>>  use apt-get or my favorite aptitude to install.
>>> 
>>>  On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Michael Havens 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  > Thanks for inspiring me. My system is Ubuntu based so first I had
>>> to
>>>  > google
>>>  > for converting RPM to deb and I found Alien. So I run alien and it
>>>  > runs
>>>  > successfuly (I think). But no lightning bolt anywhere to be seen!
>>> Any
>>>  > ideas
>>>  > what I did wrong?
>>>  >
>>>  > bmike1@Michaels-Presario ~/Programs/Jupiter $ sudo alien -i *
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package jupiter:
>>> postinst
>>>  > Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
>>>  > warning: jupiter-0.0.51-3.noarch.rpm: Header V4 DSA/SHA1
>>> Signature,
>>>  > key ID
>>>  > 069c119e: NOKEY
>>>  > dpkg --no-force-overwrite -i jupiter_0.0.51-4_all.deb
>>>  > Selecting previously deselected package jupiter.
>>>  > (Reading database ... 172494 files and directories currently
>>>  > installed.)
>>>  > Unpacking jupiter (from jupiter_0.0.51-4_all.deb) ...
>>>  > Setting up jupiter (0.0.51-4) ...
>>>  > Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
>>>  > Processing triggers for gnome-menus ...
>>>  > Processing triggers for bamfdaemon ...
>>>  > Rebuilding