Re: Powerbook 170

[Blake Hanes]

First off does it have an Ethernet port if so maybe I can help you


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My Reply follows quote. On 29/08/2004 10:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>Hey, I just got a Powerbook 170 for five dollars at a flea market.  It
has 
>decent versions of word, Powerpoint, and excel on it already, which
makes it 
>useful to me.   However, I've found a bunch of other old programs for
it on 
>the internet that need to be opened using stuffit expander.  My
powerbook 
>won't recognize anything that needs to be opened this way and I can't
get
>it to recognize any versions of stuffit I've downloaded.  I am
downloading 
>on my office pentium something point something and have a free version
of 
>transmac installed to transfer to the old powerbook.  However, the only
way 
>I can get anything from the office computer to the little mac is by
using 
>three and a half disks.  I'm not exactly a master of the high tech, so
lets 
>just assume I know almost nothing at all.  I do know that I am running 
>system 7.0.1, and have 4 MB of RAM.  I've looked everywhere for an 
>explanation of what to do and haven't found one.
>Anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: Powerbook 170

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 29/08/2004 10:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>Hey, I just got a Powerbook 170 for five dollars at a flea market.  It has 
>decent versions of word, Powerpoint, and excel on it already, which makes it 
>useful to me.   However, I've found a bunch of other old programs for it on 
>the internet that need to be opened using stuffit expander.  My powerbook 
>won't recognize anything that needs to be opened this way and I can't get
>it to recognize any versions of stuffit I've downloaded.  I am downloading 
>on my office pentium something point something and have a free version of 
>transmac installed to transfer to the old powerbook.  However, the only way 
>I can get anything from the office computer to the little mac is by using 
>three and a half disks.  I'm not exactly a master of the high tech, so lets 
>just assume I know almost nothing at all.  I do know that I am running 
>system 7.0.1, and have 4 MB of RAM.  I've looked everywhere for an 
>explanation of what to do and haven't found one.
>Anyone have any suggestions?
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Powerbook 170

[colin hodder]

Okay, here's the thing.  I emailed this message already, and got one 
response sent directly to me.  However, I just found out that hotmail was 
sending almost all the messages from this list into my junk mail and that 
every reply before a couple of days ago was deleted.  So, I've fixed the 
problem and I'm sending the message again in case anyone offered a reply 
before and it didn't make it to me before.  If you emailed me before and 
your name is not Bob C. then I did not get the message.  Thanks.
Previous message:
Hey, I just got a Powerbook 170 for five dollars at a flea market.  It has 
decent versions of word, Powerpoint, and excel on it already, which makes it 
useful to me.   However, I've found a bunch of other old programs for it on 
the internet that need to be opened using stuffit expander.  My powerbook 
won't recognize anything that needs to be opened this way and I can't get
it to recognize any versions of stuffit I've downloaded.  I am downloading 
on my office pentium something point something and have a free version of 
transmac installed to transfer to the old powerbook.  However, the only way 
I can get anything from the office computer to the little mac is by using 
three and a half disks.  I'm not exactly a master of the high tech, so lets 
just assume I know almost nothing at all.  I do know that I am running 
system 7.0.1, and have 4 MB of RAM.  I've looked everywhere for an 
explanation of what to do and haven't found one.
Anyone have any suggestions?

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Re: Powerbook 170 (installing software)

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Once you have mastered the "PC-->floppy-->Mac thing" and your 170 is 
up and running I suggest that you find an HD30-SCSI cable to connect 
you PB to an external SCSI HD. Then with Access PC or similar 
software you can mount on the desktop any DOS formatted HD.

PS. System 7.5 is fine with the 170, but 4 MB are really not enough.
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Re: Powerbook 170 (installing software)

[Erwin W.]

Dear Colin,
System 7.5.3 and system 7.5.5 both recognize DOS disks, that would make 
things a bit more
simple (transfer of files) but in the meanwhile you could use Transmac.

You need Stuffit 4 first, with which you will be able to unstuff version 5.
My experience is that with both versions 4 and 5 you will be able to 
decompress
or unstuff :-) all the files that can be downloaded on the net.

I can send you a little freeware utility with which a Win or Dos user can 
make a Mac disk
On that disk you will find (put the disk in your powerbook!) version 4 of 
the Stuffit
Expander (Maybe this sounds complicated and I guess I'm jumping a few steps 
:-) but
the utility I can send you is a 'MakeDisk' program. It not only creates a 
Mac disk, but it puts
a couple of programs for the Mac on it).
I will also send you the free stuffit 5, which you can unstuff with the 
version 4 that has been
installed on your PB.

Then you will have to transfer the files you downloaded from the net to Mac 
compatible disks
with Transmac.

If you found the programs & files I mentioned in this mail, no problem. If 
you didn't, contact
me off-list and I will send them to you. They are all freeware anyway.

You could also consider upgrading to System 7.5.3 and to 7.5.5. Apple has 
made these
OS's available for free! You can download them at their server, create the 
19 disks with your PC
and install everything on your powerbook.
I can help you with this operation, since I did it myself a couple of weeks 
ago on my
Powerbook Duo 230.
On the other hand, you should first figure out out if 7.5.5 runs on a 170.
I have no idea, since I'm quite new to the Mac world (and by the way: adore 
it)
I can give you the exact URL where to find the free Mac System 7.5

Best,
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Powerbook 170

[colin hodder]

Hey, I just got a Powerbook 170 for five dollars at a flea market.  It has 
decent versions of word, Powerpoint, and excel on it already, which makes it 
useful to me.   However, I've found a bunch of other old programs for it on 
the internet that need to be opened using stuffit expander.  My powerbook 
won't recognize anything that needs to be opened this way and I can't get it 
to recognize any versions of stuffit I've downloaded.  I am downloading on 
my office pentium something point something and have a free version of 
transmac installed to transfer to the old powerbook.  However, the only way 
I can get anything from the office computer to the little mac is by using  
three and a quarter disks.  I'm not exactly a master of the high tech, so 
lets just assume I know almost nothing at all.  I do know that I am running 
system 7.0.1, and don't even know where to check the RAM (so I'm just going 
to assume it's at the lower end of it's possible specs,4 MB Ram, etc).  I've 
looked everywhere for an explanation of what to do and haven't found one.  
Anyone have any suggestions?

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Re: PowerBook 170 modem

[Bob C.]

Jack,

Being a big fan of the PB170  (I've currently got two of 'em!), I can tell
you that as far as I know, no special software was required for the internal
modems to work.  As part of the System 7.1 install for that model, a Control
Panel simply called "PowerBook Setup" is present, and it allows you to
decide between the Internal modem and the external Modem port on the back of
the PB.  Once set to Internal, the modem behaves as any external Mac modem
would.  That is, you can use any standard terminal software  (Zmodem, Red
Ryder, White Knight, Smartcom II, etc.) and simply configure it to use the
Modem port.  By the way, once in terminal mode with any of those programs,
you can type the various Hayes-standard "ATI" commands to get full
information displayed direct from the modem's internal ROM  (try ati0
through ati9 followed by a [return] to see the various display screens,
although not all of them will work with all modems).  For example, "ati1"
displays "Global Village Communications" on mine, and "ati4" displays "V.34
[28,800 bps] Data/V.17 [14,400 bps] Fax".

For dial-up Internet access, of course you need the "Config PPP" and "Mac
TCP" Control Panels, or one of the free alternatives, and individual pieces
of software for the vaious services. I regularly use Eudora 1.4.3 for Email,
Fetch 2.1 for FTP, and NSCA Telnet 2.7b4 for telnet access.  I got
everything I needed to get started from a library book & disk, "Internet
Starter Kit for Macintosh" by Adam C. Engst (1994), but these items are
available from a number of download sources.

Hope that helps!

Bob



- Original Message -  From: "Jack Countryman"
> The PowerBook 170 I'm playing with also has an internal modem.  Any idea
> what software was needed to get those to work?  I vaguely recall something
> about an 'Express' Modem that needed additional software...but am not sure
> anymore what that was, if there were other types of modems in these, or
> where to even look.  What software was needed to add PPP or whatever to
> those old systems (I think this had 7.01 or maybe 7.1 originally?) to get
> the modem to work?   Thanks in advance.



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Re: PowerBook 170 modem

[John Ruschmeyer]

IIRC, the Express modem didn't come along until the 180 and the Duos. 
The stock modem in a 170 was a 2400 data/9600 fax modem. GlobalVillage 
used to make aftermarket modems like a 14.4 (GlobalVillage PowerPort Gold).

As for adding PPP to 7.1, you would need MacTCP and either MacPPP or 
FreePPP.

<<>>
Jack Countryman wrote:
The PowerBook 170 I'm playing with also has an internal modem.  Any idea
what software was needed to get those to work?  I vaguely recall something
about an 'Express' Modem that needed additional software...but am not sure
anymore what that was, if there were other types of modems in these, or
where to even look.  What software was needed to add PPP or whatever to
those old systems (I think this had 7.01 or maybe 7.1 originally?) to get
the modem to work?   Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: PowerBook 170 modem

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>The PowerBook 170 I'm playing with also has an internal modem.  Any idea
>what software was needed to get those to work?  I vaguely recall something
>about an 'Express' Modem that needed additional software...but am not sure
>anymore what that was, if there were other types of modems in these, or
>where to even look.

My PB 140, which was later converted to a PB 170, has a Supra modem 
clone, made in Taiwan.

It was sold to me by an Apple VAR (way, way back when "Value Added 
Resellers" were in vogue ... this particular PB 140 was purchased by me 
at the Apple employee store near One Infinite Loop).

Anyway, try identifying the modem as a Supra 14.4.

That usually works for true Supras, for no-name Taiwan modems, and some 
others.

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PowerBook 170 modem

[Jack Countryman]

The PowerBook 170 I'm playing with also has an internal modem.  Any idea
what software was needed to get those to work?  I vaguely recall something
about an 'Express' Modem that needed additional software...but am not sure
anymore what that was, if there were other types of modems in these, or
where to even look.  What software was needed to add PPP or whatever to
those old systems (I think this had 7.01 or maybe 7.1 originally?) to get
the modem to work?   Thanks in advance.


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powerbook 170

[James mannon]

WOW, thanks for your replies.  I found the down loads of 7.5.0, disks 1 and
2.  I also downloaded a pc to mac transfer program.  It finely worked. I
found disk tools and booted up.  It dosent show a dard drive at all on the
screen.  I recall it did befor.  When i finely get threw swaping disk tooles
and floppy 1 back and forth, it gves me a selection of where to save it.
The dard drive is not hilighted and cant be seclected.  So i click save and
it says there isnt enough room on disk tools to open.  But I do feel that
finely getting the information from my pc to the mac floppy was a great feat
and accomplishment.
any ideas,thanks james


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Powerbook 170 system

[Phillip Young]

I have a PB 170 that I actively use.  I lost the system a while ago (became 
irreversably corruputed) when I tried attaching by SCSI 
connection.  I use the File Sharing now for switching info between my laptops.

Everything that you need is available from Apple's Older Software's site.  Disk tools 
and system 7.5 and updates.  Many disks though 
for OS 7.5.  OS 7.01 is available, but I found it difficult to load.  Had to keep 
trying until the computer would take it.

http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html

Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.0.x/System_7.0.1.smi.bin
Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.0.x/System_7.0.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.sea.bin
Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.txt

I have a bootable system disk if you can't figure it out.

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Re: Powerbook 170 (issues)

[David Pekarsky]

Hi all,  I have a power book170 and I think all the bios is eraced.  
The
screen is blank except for a floppy in the center.  I instalition disk 
2.  I
am not shure if this is what I need to boot it up.  I would gladly pay
postage ect. for copies of the disk that I need.  It just spits out 
the disk
I have.  Thanks for your reply.  James
Not the bios but close in a sense.  Your system folder (if present) is 
damaged and as such, you fill need to start up from a bootable system 
floppy.  OS 7, 7.1 are the best choices though you can try 7.5.(x) if 
you would like.  Install disk 1 will boot the machine as will the disk 
tools disk.  Have fun with the powerbook as those 1xx machines (save 
for the 150) are great machines.
Dave

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Re: Fw: powerbook 170

[Darkwolf45]

The last time I used a Powerbook 170 I was still using system 7.1, so try to bear with 
me.  I'm not sure of the background on your PB, but it sounds like you HD was either 
wiped or your sytem folder was damaged.  What you need to boot it up is a Disk Tools 
disk, which should be clearly labelled.  If there system is wiped, then you may want 
to run the Disk Tools disk and reformat, unless of course there is still info on it 
that you want.  Then You'll need a several disk set of the system you've decided to 
run on your PB.  Most of it is pretty straight forward and self explanitory.  Just 
insert the disk, boot up and follow the directions on screen.
Brian

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> Hi all,  I have a power book170 and I think all the bios is eraced.  The
> screen is blank except for a floppy in the center.  I instalition disk 2.  I
> am not shure if this is what I need to boot it up.  I would gladly pay
> postage ect. for copies of the disk that I need.  It just 
> spits out the disk
> I have.  Thanks for your reply.  James

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Fw: powerbook 170

[James mannon]

Hi all,  I have a power book170 and I think all the bios is eraced.  The
screen is blank except for a floppy in the center.  I instalition disk 2.  I
am not shure if this is what I need to boot it up.  I would gladly pay
postage ect. for copies of the disk that I need.  It just spits out the disk
I have.  Thanks for your reply.  James


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Replacement PowerBook 170 Label Needed

[Phil Robinson]

Hello,

Does anyone know where I can find a replacement label for the bottom of
my PowerBook 170?  They used to be available as service parts.  Thanks.

Phil

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Re: Rare? Powerbook 170

[John Ruschmeyer]

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:36, David Pekarsky wrote:
> While I was at the MIT swapfest in Cambridge, MA last Sunday, a seller 
> was selling a powerbook 170 with an actual mac video (15 pin 7+8) 
> output piece that replaced the left side clutch cover, that being the 
> rounded piece at the edge where the display half and bottom half of the 
> machine meet.  He was selling this along with about 30 other 1xx, duos, 
> and 5xx machines as well as nearly 20 DuoDocks under his table.  Upon 
> inquiring, I was told that the  video out port worked, and as I did 
> examine the machine, I realized that it was a 170 which did not come 
> with any video out of any sort, that being the normal video out that is 
> on the 160, 165(c), and 180(c) 1xx machines.  The video out port 
> protruded from an otherwise normal left side clutch cover and as such, 
> looked to be an OEM part as it was not "hacked" together by any means.  
> My question to all of you powerbook hoarders out there is as follows: 
> does anybody have any information whatsoever regarding a video out port 
> on the 170 that apple built?  To put it this way, the port and clutch 
> cover looked too good and normal be non-OEM.

It sounds like a 170 upgraded with an Envisio Notebook Display Adapter
(NDA/30). The NDA/30 was an early add-on for the 140/170 which replaced
the expansion memory card with a card containing a video board and
memory.  The associated control panel would allow either video mirroring
or dual display. One downside, though, the NDA/30 was not compatible
with virtual memory or RAM Double, so no memory beyond what was the 2mb
on the motherboard and what was installed on the card.

FWIW, I *think* I have a spare 2mb version running around here
somewhere. If someone's really interested, I could check to see if I
still have it.

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Re: Rare? Powerbook 170

[Terry Holtrey]

But it is. I forgot the manufacturer, but I have one sitting out in my 
shop. I don't feel like taking it apart to find out but it is third 
party and Apple never made such an upgrade. As I recall, it also added 
more memory while making virtual memory not work.

On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 01:36 AM, David Pekarsky wrote:

No, this is not the blue and white powerbook 170 that apple made for 
some LPGA golfing event a while back for some reason, as undoubtebly 
that cam to your head immediately...
While I was at the MIT swapfest in Cambridge, MA last Sunday, a seller 
was selling a powerbook 170 with an actual mac video (15 pin 7+8) 
output piece that replaced the left side clutch cover, that being the 
rounded piece at the edge where the display half and bottom half of 
the machine meet.  He was selling this along with about 30 other 1xx, 
duos, and 5xx machines as well as nearly 20 DuoDocks under his table.  
Upon inquiring, I was told that the  video out port worked, and as I 
did examine the machine, I realized that it was a 170 which did not 
come with any video out of any sort, that being the normal video out 
that is on the 160, 165(c), and 180(c) 1xx machines.  The video out 
port protruded from an otherwise normal left side clutch cover and as 
such, looked to be an OEM part as it was not "hacked" together by any 
means.  My question to all of you powerbook hoarders out there is as 
follows: does anybody have any information whatsoever regarding a 
video out port on the 170 that apple built?  To put it this way, the 
port and clutch cover looked too good and normal be non-OEM.
Any information would be appreciated by myself, and I am sure of 
everyone else as well...
Thanks,
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Rare? Powerbook 170

[David Pekarsky]

No, this is not the blue and white powerbook 170 that apple made for 
some LPGA golfing event a while back for some reason, as undoubtebly 
that cam to your head immediately...
While I was at the MIT swapfest in Cambridge, MA last Sunday, a seller 
was selling a powerbook 170 with an actual mac video (15 pin 7+8) 
output piece that replaced the left side clutch cover, that being the 
rounded piece at the edge where the display half and bottom half of the 
machine meet.  He was selling this along with about 30 other 1xx, duos, 
and 5xx machines as well as nearly 20 DuoDocks under his table.  Upon 
inquiring, I was told that the  video out port worked, and as I did 
examine the machine, I realized that it was a 170 which did not come 
with any video out of any sort, that being the normal video out that is 
on the 160, 165(c), and 180(c) 1xx machines.  The video out port 
protruded from an otherwise normal left side clutch cover and as such, 
looked to be an OEM part as it was not "hacked" together by any means.  
My question to all of you powerbook hoarders out there is as follows: 
does anybody have any information whatsoever regarding a video out port 
on the 170 that apple built?  To put it this way, the port and clutch 
cover looked too good and normal be non-OEM.
Any information would be appreciated by myself, and I am sure of 
everyone else as well...
Thanks,
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PowerBook 170 screen issue

[Craig Bell]

Hi guys,

I have a PB 170 with a screen problem. When I power up everything 
is looking good but as time goes on the 4 corners of the screen darken. 
Eventually you can't see the apple menu and the darkness just 
continues to creep in taking over more of the screen. Has anyone come 
across this before? Any ideas where to start or is it a throw away? Any 
help would be much appreciated as it is a great machine.

Thanks
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Re: Powerbook 170 screen problem

[Gary D. Adams]

Great!

You're welcome.

Gary

François Gagnon wrote:
I've fixed the problem...

I opened the main box(the bottom) and cleaned and placed the connector and
everything was correct...what I tried before is just to check the part of the
cable that was near of the screen.
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Re: Powerbook 170 screen problem

[François Gagnon]

I've fixed the problem...

I opened the main box(the bottom) and cleaned and placed the connector and
everything was correct...what I tried before is just to check the part of the
cable that was near of the screen.

Thank you for your help...

"Gary D. Adams" a écrit :

> I suppose it *could* be, but check the cable itself. Are there any
> crimps in any of the "lines"--the internal "wires"?
>
> Sometimes the connector partially disconnects when the book opens and
> closes, flexing it. If the cable gets pinched between the pastics that
> can disrupt the video signal.
>
> Gary
>
> François Gagnon wrote:
> > Thank you, but I have tried it without any results. I had a small white
> > conector that I disconnected, cleaned and reconnected, but it wasn't the
> > solution... Can it be the screen?
> >
> > François G.
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Re: Powerbook 170 screen problem

[Gary D. Adams]

I suppose it *could* be, but check the cable itself. Are there any 
crimps in any of the "lines"--the internal "wires"?

Sometimes the connector partially disconnects when the book opens and 
closes, flexing it. If the cable gets pinched between the pastics that 
can disrupt the video signal.

Gary

François Gagnon wrote:
Thank you, but I have tried it without any results. I had a small white
conector that I disconnected, cleaned and reconnected, but it wasn't the
solution... Can it be the screen?
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Re: Powerbook 170 screen problem

[François Gagnon]

Thank you, but I have tried it without any results. I had a small white
conector that I disconnected, cleaned and reconnected, but it wasn't the
solution... Can it be the screen?

François G.

"Gary D. Adams" a écrit :

> Usually, that's the result of the connector cable being cripped or not
> making good contact.
>
> Pull the top plastics and check the cable.
>
> Gart
>
> François Gagnon wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've got a problem with the screen of my PB 170 : One pixel on Eight
> > (1/8), I see a big black vertical line...like this :
> > |   |   |   |   |   |   |
> > |  This |is how |my scre|en is  |   |   |
> > |   |   |   |   |   |   |
> > |   |   |   |   |   |   |
> >
> > How could I fix it?
> >
> > F. Gagnon
> >
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Re: Powerbook 170 screen problem

[Gary D. Adams]

Usually, that's the result of the connector cable being cripped or not 
making good contact.

Pull the top plastics and check the cable.

Gart

François Gagnon wrote:
Hello,

I've got a problem with the screen of my PB 170 : One pixel on Eight
(1/8), I see a big black vertical line...like this :
|   |   |   |   |   |   |
|  This |is how |my scre|en is  |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |   |
How could I fix it?

F. Gagnon



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Powerbook 170 screen problem

[François Gagnon]

Hello,

I've got a problem with the screen of my PB 170 : One pixel on Eight
(1/8), I see a big black vertical line...like this :
|   |   |   |   |   |   |
|  This |is how |my scre|en is  |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |   |
|   |   |   |   |   |   |

How could I fix it?

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Re: Powerbook 170 problem

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At 6:50 PM -0700 4/6/2003, Brad Warriner wrote:
>My 6 year old was playing on my powerbook for a few
>minutes, and now my keyboard seems to be locked out.
>Every single key makes the same "beep" sound when
>pressed.
>
>I replaced the keyboard, considering the problem might
>be with the hardware, but the problem persists. 
>
>Has anyone heard of a keyboard lockout command, or
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Powerbook 170 problem

[Brad Warriner]

My 6 year old was playing on my powerbook for a few
minutes, and now my keyboard seems to be locked out. 
Every single key makes the same "beep" sound when
pressed.

I replaced the keyboard, considering the problem might
be with the hardware, but the problem persists.  

Has anyone heard of a keyboard lockout command, or
even better, the reversal of such a command?

Thanks,

Brad


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> Hey listers,
> 
> I finally found the right little tiny screwdriver to
> open up my PB170 
> with in order to swap out the original 40MB Conner
> drive for a 250MB 
> Conner drive that a friend at a Slashdot meetup, of
> all places, gave 
> me.  ("Oh, you actually use your old macs?  I have a
> bunch of SCSI 
> drives  kicking around...").  Horray for free
> hardare.
> 
> To my dismay, however, the connections didn't
> match!!!
> 
> The 250MB drive seems to have a 30-pin connector on
> it (2x15 pins), 
> while I don't remember what was in the PB, but I
> think it was 40 pins.  
> What to do?  What /can/ i do, more importantly?
> 
> 
> All I want to do is run OS7.5.3, Claris, and Mac
> Minix 250MB would 
> give me so much extra room...
> 
> 
> Any help with respect to a) having an adaptor and
> being willing to sell 
> it, b) knowing where I can et one for cheap (I would
> have posted this 
> to the Swap list but I didn't know enogh about
> it...) or c) knowing of 
> an easy hack to fix this (I'm perfectly willing to
> sacrifice the old 
> drive and do a little soldering, if that's what's
> called for...) would 
> be greatly appreciated.
> 
> And of course, if anyone wants the 40MB drive when
> I'm done with it, 
> it's yours for the cost of shipping.
> 
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> 
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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Dan K]

Olin wrote:
> is exactly where the LB fuse is [?]

It lies very near the battery-bay contacts, it's pretty obvious if you've 
got the skill (admittedly not much needed!) to get at the LB with 
fuse-replacement intent.

As for doing it in one operation, don't worry about that, you'll quickly 
see how easy it is to open it up and get inside. I think it takes me 
perhaps 60 seconds to open a PB1XX, most of that time spent unscrewing 
the back and underside screws. 

As you'll see the case opens like a clamshell with the pivot at the front 
edge, where there are a number of plastic clips. They break easily but 
only if you force something. Also, every PB1XX I've seen uses T-10 screws 
on the bottom, and a T-8 on the back. Your T-8 may get the bottom ones 
loose, but it's rather easy to 'strip' those heads if the screws are at 
all tight. T-10 drivers are usually easier to find than T-8, most auto 
parts stores carry T-10.

The main 'trick' to opening the case is once you've removed all the 
screws (bottom and back), stand the 'Book on its front edge. Gently pull 
the back edge open until you have enough room to see the ~4cm-wide main 
connector ribbon cable maybe 3cm from the back edge and to the left of 
the lateral center (to the right when viewed from the back.) Reach in 
with your fingers or a some sort of tool and carefully separate the 
ribbon/plug (which are attached to the upper case section) from the 
socket in the lower case. Once those are apart, careful wiggling of the 
two case halves should have it all apart in a moment.

The fuse is on the LB under the daughtercard, which is the raised PCB 
right behind the battery compartment. 4 T-8 screws hold the DC to the LB, 
once removed lift the DC off its connector. You'll see the fuse at 
location F1 ( ! : -) right behind the battery contacts. In the 170 I just 
opened, the fuse is marked 5A 125V with maker's mark "LF" and part number 
459. BTW, one other technique for this repair is to simply piggyback a 
second fuse onto the first rather than removing the original. Just ensure 
the combo doesn't foul the DC's underside.

Oh bugger, here comes more advice: if your PB has the usual number of 
broken and cracked screw bosses, pads, etc. you might want have a bottle 
of Ambroid ProWeld handy to fix it up. It helps greatly of course to 
strip the 'Book's plastics clean of parts to allow access to those broken 
areas not accessible with stuff in the way. I usually leave repaired 
parts to 'cure' overnight, but in theory one can re-install stuff within 
the hour. Of course ProWeld is super for fixing any 'Book's broken parts, 
not just PBs 170.  : -)

heh heh, I didn't intend to write all the above, just got carried away. : 
-)

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Olin Jenkins]

Greetings, Powerbooks friends:

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:55:26 -0500, Dan K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gary Carpenter wrote:
>>don't hesitate to clip off the power plug from the M5140 ac adapter
>>before you put it in the trash.  You'll do the karma world a favor...
>
>Well, if one could snip the plug off the old adapter, perhaps one could
>simply solder a new plug on to replace it? Seems a shame to discard a
>perfectly good adapter for the want of $2 plug.

I'll simply snip the old plug and put the M5140 in my growing box o' parts.

>Re the LB fuse: it's dreadfully easy to replace, and costs very little.
>The most helpful thing is to have 2 soldering irons so one may simply
>lift the darn thing out in one swoop rather than having to go back and
>forth between the ends.

Good (no pun intended) tip, Dan. I'll buy a second soldering iron to 
do just that. My final question -- and this may warrant an off-list 
answer if it won't benefit the list -- is exactly where the LB fuse 
is. I have the service source manual PDF with take apart 
instructions, but before I dig out the mobo, I'd like to be able to 
get in there, locate and take out the fuse, put in the new one, put 
it back together and get outta there. I'd like to make sure I'm 
replacing the correct fuse when I get the mobo out. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Dan K]

Gary Carpenter wrote:
>don't hesitate to clip off the power plug from the M5140 ac adapter 
>before you put it in the trash.  You'll do the karma world a favor...

Well, if one could snip the plug off the old adapter, perhaps one could 
simply solder a new plug on to replace it? Seems a shame to discard a 
perfectly good adapter for the want of $2 plug.

Re the LB fuse: it's dreadfully easy to replace, and costs very little. 
The most helpful thing is to have 2 soldering irons so one may simply 
lift the darn thing out in one swoop rather than having to go back and 
forth between the ends.

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Gary Carpenter]

Olin asked:

My question is this: without fixing the fuse, will the PB170 boot
with a fully charged battery (charged with an external charger, as
Paul Nelson suggested), or is booting it an impossibility without the
power adapter? (I am using a M5652 adapter, the replacement for the
faulty M5140 and will most likely dispose of the M5140 adapter).

My experience is, no, the PB 170 won't boot even with a fully charged 
battery.  YMMV, as always.  That rascally mobo fuse is the devil, eh?

don't hesitate to clip off the power plug from the M5140 ac adapter 
before you put it in the trash.  You'll do the karma world a favor...

Best,

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Olin Jenkins]

Greetings, Powerbooks friends:

Thanks again for the help with the PB170. Still one question after:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:38:06 -0500, Grizzly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Might it be possible to simply put some silicone rubber in place of the
>broken (missing) insulation on the plug tip?

Perhaps, but I wouldn't try to resurrect the M5140 adapter. Thanks 
again to Gary, who supplied the TidBITS-269 article URL:

My damaged adapter shorted out the internal fuse on the mobo, and I 
just wouldn't try to use it again. According to the TidBITS-269 
article, PowerBook 100 fuses can be replaced, but on other models 
(140, 145, and 170), "the logic boards must be exchanged" and "this 
offer is availably only through 29-Sep-95."

Another Powerbooks lister sent me the service source manual with 
take-apart instructions and how to get to the mobo, but I haven't 
studied it carefully enough to see where the fuse is.

My question is this: without fixing the fuse, will the PB170 boot 
with a fully charged battery (charged with an external charger, as 
Paul Nelson suggested), or is booting it an impossibility without the 
power adapter? (I am using a M5652 adapter, the replacement for the 
faulty M5140 and will most likely dispose of the M5140 adapter).

Thanks again for the help.

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Grizzly]

Hello Olin:

Might it be possible to simply put some silicone rubber in place of the
broken (missing) insulation on the plug tip?

Sincerely yours, Grizzlygiant

Olin Jenkins wrote:
> 
> Greetings, Powerbooks friends:
> 
> Thanks *very* much for the quick replies, on- and off-list.
> 

> Cheers! Olin Jenkins, [EMAIL PROTECTED],8

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Olin Jenkins]

Greetings, Powerbooks friends:

Thanks *very* much for the quick replies, on- and off-list.

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:09:49 -0600, Gary Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Bummer, dude.  I fear you've been hosed by the infamous M5140 ac
>adapter.  Examine the plug tip and see if the insulation has broken
>away.

Yup. That's it.

>Then go to this '95 TidBITS issue and, well, decide what to do.
>Others on this list have alleged you can replace the faulty fuse if
>you're not too squeamish about soldering,

Will do. The only thing I'm squeamish about is breaking into my first 
PB, but that's a phobia I ought to get over ;-)

>but the ac adapter is gonna have to go, alas...

Done. I have an M5652 that'll work fine.

And on Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:44:02 -0800, Paul Nelson 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At 5:32 PM -0500 3/26/03, Olin Jenkins wrote:
>>I never discharged it fully;
>
>   That's probably your problem.  Get a separate charger with a
>discharge button.  They are probably all good, as soon as they are
>completely discharged and then recharged.  You just can't rely on the
>powerbook to keep it charged in situ.

Correct, specifically since the PB won't charge batteries at this 
moment. Final question, then: is the Swaplist prolly the best place 
to pick up an external charger? (or is someone actually still 
manufacturing these?)

Thanks again for the very quick help.

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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Paul Nelson]

At 5:32 PM -0500 3/26/03, Olin Jenkins wrote:
>I never discharged it fully;


That's probably your problem.  Get a separate charger with a
discharge button.  They are probably all good, as soon as they are
completely discharged and then recharged.  You just can't rely on the
powerbook to keep it charged in situ.
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Re: Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Gary Carpenter]

Olin,

Bummer, dude.  I fear you've been hosed by the infamous M5140 ac 
adapter.  Examine the plug tip and see if the insulation has broken 
away.  Then go to this '95 TidBITS issue and, well, decide what to do.  
Others on this list have alleged you can replace the faulty fuse if 
you're not too squeamish about soldering, but the ac adapter is gonna 
have to go, alas...

I also fear that the  two "new" batteries you bought were toast when 
you got them.  Perhaps someone will recommend where to get them rebuilt 
with new cells.

   

Warmest regards,

Gary


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Powerbook 170 battery won't charge

[Olin Jenkins]

Greetings, Powerbooks users:

Gentle help, please, since this is my first PB. I bought a PB170 from 
a Swaplister in January, and it was an absolute gem in its first two 
months of use. Software-wise, it's fine. I'm sure the OS (7.0.1*) and 
all related stuff is a moot point.

Problem: just after two months' use, the BTI MC-170 battery (which 
would hold a charge of about two hours: I never discharged it fully; 
that could be a hint as to what I'm doing) stopped charging. I took 
for granted that the battery was simply dying and bought two used 
ones from someone else on the Swaplist. Neither would charge. So... I 
bought a new BTI MC-170 and charged it with the PB170's supplied 
power adapter (Model M5140) for ten hours and am now charging the 
battery with a M5652 adapter.

Where I am right now: I can boot the PB170 with the original BTI 
MC-170 battery that worked and charged with the PB; however, I can't 
get the other three batteries to charge or boot the PB. Another hint 
is this: I've tried to re-set the Power Manager with no luck (battery 
out; power adapter out; putting paper clips on both switches).

I suspect a mobo problem, although the PB apparently has a strong 
PRAM battery, as it's kept its settings. What's confusing me is that 
I can't re-set the Power Manager, and I have the feeling that's where 
I need to start to charge batteries. If I need to break into the PB 
(I'm wary of doing it, even though I've broken into every Mac I've 
owned), I would be grateful for any contacts with a "take-apart" PDF 
URL.

Any immediate ideas? I'd begrudgingly used a Tandy 100 since 1992, 
and until I can get my PB170 to work "mobile" again, the Tandy's back 
in use. TIA, and peace...

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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[Tom Lee]

> You are correct that a battery can in fact be damaged by to much amperage.
> But this damage is only because it wasn't trickle charged (low amperage) but
> instead quick charged (high amperage). But then again that doesn't stop many
> manufactures from making such chargers. As far as the diode, you half
> correct. A diode can in fact be damaged by over amperage since it's a
> component that does run inline of a wire. But the truth of that is only if it
> flows that much. Now to flow that much current there must be something
> drawing that much on the other end and it's overloading it's ability.
>
> So, lets make an example, a simple circuit if you will. Imagine an AC power
> supply, say supplying a 12v 2amp signal. On both power leads a diode (cathode
> and anode pointing in opposite directions on either pole) and a LED in
> parallel to the supply (hope that makes sense), anyway, if the LED is rated
> at a minute 50ma, it's using that full 50ma supplied by the supply even
> though the supply is capable of flowing 2A. So what will the diodes see,
> exactly, 50ma across both. Ok, lets say the diode has a 1A threshold and
> instead of a LED you use a 2A lamp, then the diodes will see a 2A load which
> after time will burn them out. So anyway, I've still made my point. Amperage
> pull will only be what is used, not what the battery or supply can produce.
> And as long as you design your circuit correctly (with the correct parts for
> the demands), you won't have to deal with blown diodes for example.
>
>Jake

I don't want to clog this list with a lengthy tutorial on electricity, but I also
want to save you from trashing any more Powerbooks. It's my occupation to educate,
so here goes one last try (sorry, listers; I can't help it!).

You're confused about several fundamental concepts, but let's just look at one.
Yes, if you have two power supplies, each, say, 12V, but rated for different
maximum currents, the same load connected to each will in fact draw the same
current. That's what you probably meant by devices drawing what they will. That's
because the current drawn by an element is a function of the voltage you apply
across it (as in ohm's law, which applies to resistors), not of the label printed
on the side of the power supply indicating its maximum current capability. All
absolutely true, and all *absolutely irrelevant* to why you (probably) fried your
Powerbook. Unlike this example, you *didn't* apply the rated voltage. You in fact
applied a much *bigger* voltage.  That's a different situation altogether. And
then your Powerbook stopped working after a bit. No surprise there.

It's okay not to have a very good grasp of electrical fundamentals (nobody knows
everything, and electronics sure is more complicated than a lot of other
subjects), but it's less ok that you think you understand much more than you
actually do (to the point that you want to debate about it). Please think about
why it is that power supplies come in a variety of voltages. It has to do with the
fact that electrical devices in fact don't "know" what the "right" current is for
them. Do think about that the next time you risk blowing up a perfectly fine
Powerbook. :-( And please don't test out your theories by comparing the buzz you
get on your tongue with a 9V battery, versus what you get with 120V line power!

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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[martin]

>Nah, I don't buy it.  If you supply an over-rated voltage to digital
>electronics, you have a very strong chance of burning them out.
>
>Try sticking a light bulb on a very high voltage - the bulb burns
>out.  The current through the filament was strong enough to literally
>burn the filament.  The same is true with an LED in series with a
>variable resistance resistor - turn down the resistance and the LED
>gets brighter.


etc etc

actually, he was talking about CURRENT, not voltage, and he was 
correct: a circuit will only draw what it needs (barring a short or 
faulty component) from a power supply, so it is safe to hook up a 
device requiring say 1A at a given voltage, to a power supply capable 
of delivering 10A at the same voltage. The circuit will only draw 1A 
, and no harm is done.

This no longer applies IF you have say, a shorted capacitor in the 
power supply for instance, but the unfortunate results of that 
scenario would be similar regardless of the current supplied. 
Well-designed power supplies incorporate a "crowbar" circuit, which 
will limit the current, or shut off the supply in the event of a 
short.

I have used 170 and 190 supplies to power my 145, and have had no 
problems. I also designed a power supply for my car, which outputs 
7.5VDC at 3.0A (regulated and nicely filtered) for my 145, from the 
nasty spikey variable voltage provided by the alternator. This works 
very well, and testing with an ammeter revealed that the 145 draws 
around 2.7A at startup, which quickly drops to an average of about 
1.75A (with the HD on, screen backlighting on, and the battery 
charging). I even incorporated a simple diode bridge that allows my 
supply polarity to be accidentally reversed without damage!

You're right, of course, about voltage!  Supplying a higher-than 
rated voltage WILL fry your circuit.

m


PS anyone interested in battery-rebuilding or Powerbook supplies can 
view my lengthy posts on this for detailed instructions, in the 
archives (umm, I believe that was about a year ago), and the Pickle 
kindly reposted some of this on his site as well.

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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[Andrew Kershaw]

>So, lets make an example, a simple circuit if you will. Imagine an AC power
>supply, say supplying a 12v 2amp signal. On both power leads a diode (cathode
>and anode pointing in opposite directions on either pole) and a LED in
>parallel to the supply (hope that makes sense), anyway, if the LED is rated
>at a minute 50ma, it's using that full 50ma supplied by the supply even
>though the supply is capable of flowing 2A. So what will the diodes see,
>exactly, 50ma across both. Ok, lets say the diode has a 1A threshold and
>instead of a LED you use a 2A lamp, then the diodes will see a 2A load which
>after time will burn them out. So anyway, I've still made my point. Amperage
>pull will only be what is used, not what the battery or supply can produce.

No, that's just not true.  Let's simplify further, and be more 
relevant by talking about direct current, as that is what all 
computers use (except for certain parts like LCD backlights).

V = IR.  LEDs have a minimum "breakdown" current or voltage, if you 
will, beneath which they will not function.  But if you supply a 5V 
emf to a simple circuit with a 20ma LED, your current is limited by 
the resistance of the LED (and the source of the EMF), not how much 
current it "draws."  Nothing "draws" current - all current is driven 
by voltage differences.  Since you have a 5V voltage difference 
across the LED, the current will be I = V/R where V = 5 and R is the 
resistance of the component (LED).

Nah, I don't buy it.  If you supply an over-rated voltage to digital 
electronics, you have a very strong chance of burning them out.

Try sticking a light bulb on a very high voltage - the bulb burns 
out.  The current through the filament was strong enough to literally 
burn the filament.  The same is true with an LED in series with a 
variable resistance resistor - turn down the resistance and the LED 
gets brighter.  LEDs are fairly robust, though, so it takes a heck of 
a lot of current to burn one out.  But you are wrong about them only 
"drawing" up to their nominal rating.

Now in the case of direct current supplied by a battery, the current 
is limited by the sum of the battery's internal resistance and the 
resistance of the rest of the components on the circuit.

This is why fuses are used in nearly all sensitive circuits - if 
there is a short, by your reasoning, the short "draws" more current, 
but the current is limited to whatever the lowest current "draw" 
upstream of the short is.  Rather, the short creates a scenario where 
the resistance is significantly lowered.  Any components upstream can 
be burned out since the current will be higher.  (This is neglecting 
the problems associated with dumping too much current down too thin a 
pipe - i.e. FIRE).

Try it yourself, I dare you.

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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[RaceCivicR]

You are correct that a battery can in fact be damaged by to much amperage. 
But this damage is only because it wasn't trickle charged (low amperage) but 
instead quick charged (high amperage). But then again that doesn't stop many 
manufactures from making such chargers. As far as the diode, you half 
correct. A diode can in fact be damaged by over amperage since it's a 
component that does run inline of a wire. But the truth of that is only if it 
flows that much. Now to flow that much current there must be something 
drawing that much on the other end and it's overloading it's ability. 

So, lets make an example, a simple circuit if you will. Imagine an AC power 
supply, say supplying a 12v 2amp signal. On both power leads a diode (cathode 
and anode pointing in opposite directions on either pole) and a LED in 
parallel to the supply (hope that makes sense), anyway, if the LED is rated 
at a minute 50ma, it's using that full 50ma supplied by the supply even 
though the supply is capable of flowing 2A. So what will the diodes see, 
exactly, 50ma across both. Ok, lets say the diode has a 1A threshold and 
instead of a LED you use a 2A lamp, then the diodes will see a 2A load which 
after time will burn them out. So anyway, I've still made my point. Amperage 
pull will only be what is used, not what the battery or supply can produce. 
And as long as you design your circuit correctly (with the correct parts for 
the demands), you won't have to deal with blown diodes for example.

   Jake

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...>

There are many unfortunate statements above ("simple electronics 
specifies..." is so wrong that it isn't even wrong!). Short story: There are 
many, many components in electronics which behave nonlinearly. Even a 
battery, if

charged with seemingly small overvoltages, can exhibit catastrophic 
behaviors. A diode is a device where, if you apply a mere extra 60mV (that's 
0.06 volts) or so directly across it, the current can go up by a factor of 10!

It does not "know" what current it "needs", and will happily, destructively 
demonstrate that truth for you.


Another way to look at it: You applied nearly a 50% overvoltage. If it were a 
resistive load, the current would have gone up by ~1.5x, too, for a power 
increase to ~2x the nominal value -- that's a lot, even for a resistor.

But you weren't feeding a resistor -- it's a much more complicated thing!


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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[Tom Lee]

> Thanks for the reply. The rated input voltage I was supplying was a bit
> higher than what it was designed for (states on the Powerbook 7.5V 2A max)
> and I was giving it just under 10v (using a battery pack that supplied a 3A
> max supply). Normally semiconductors are a bit more tolerant to a bit more
> voltage but you might be correct. As far as the amperage deal. Simple
> electronics specifies that a unit will only consume as much current as it
> needs. So supplying 10A of power would net the same results as supplying 2A.
> There are a few exceptions to the rule, such as a AMM meter which is set
> inline of a lead. But for the most part components won't be damaged by
> excessive current.

There are many unfortunate statements above ("simple electronics specifies..." is so 
wrong that it isn't even wrong!). Short story: There are many, many components in 
electronics which behave nonlinearly. Even a battery, if
charged with seemingly small overvoltages, can exhibit catastrophic behaviors. A diode 
is a device where, if you apply a mere extra 60mV (that's 0.06 volts) or so directly 
across it, the current can go up by a factor of 10!
It does not "know" what current it "needs", and will happily, destructively 
demonstrate that truth for you.

Another way to look at it: You applied nearly a 50% overvoltage. If it were a 
resistive load, the current would have gone up by ~1.5x, too, for a power increase to 
~2x the nominal value -- that's a lot, even for a resistor.
But you weren't feeding a resistor -- it's a much more complicated thing!

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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[Justin Stewart]

I would like the battery, seeing as I am justin
getting a PB 150, it would be great to have if it
charges that much!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. The rated input voltage I was
> supplying was a bit 
> higher than what it was designed for (states on the
> Powerbook 7.5V 2A max) 
> and I was giving it just under 10v (using a battery
> pack that supplied a 3A 
> max supply). Normally semiconductors are a bit more
> tolerant to a bit more 
> voltage but you might be correct. As far as the
> amperage deal. Simple 
> electronics specifies that a unit will only consume
> as much current as it 
> needs. So supplying 10A of power would net the same
> results as supplying 2A. 
> There are a few exceptions to the rule, such as a
> AMM meter which is set 
> inline of a lead. But for the most part components
> won't be damaged by 
> excessive current.
> 
> Anyway, I'll tear it down again and go component by
> component testing to see 
> if any are bad. Maybe the extra voltage did fry the
> computer. If it did, 
> anyone interested in parts? I'm moving in the 2
> weeks and need to clear out 
> some of the stuff here, so if I can't save it, it
> might be best to get parts 
> into the hands of people who can use them. I'm still
> gonna see if I can get 
> it working again but if I can't anyone wanting parts
> write me. Just cover 
> shipping and a little for gas to get me to the post
> office (ya, I own a 
> Honda, but it's more a racecar than a gas friendly
> compact now). 
> 
> As far as the details, it's a 170 with a 140 screen,
> 4megs ram, 40meg HD and 
> even the modem option. Again, everything worked
> until I turned it off. I just 
> tested the battery and after a long night of
> charging, seems to be holding a 
> 7v charge after sitting all day. Hope I don't get
> torn a new one for not 
> listing this on the LemSwap, but this is just in
> case I can't get it working 
> again and only seems fair to hook you guys up on it
> first!
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...>
> 
> You should start with resetting the PMU...
> 
> 
>
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58416&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2
> 
>
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> 
>
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> 
>
alue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous|164758369
> 
> 
> if it doesn't work then, i'd have to say that it may
> 
> have been too much voltage (the battery to the 1xx
> 
> except 190 was 6.75v) and requires a mere 15w of
> 
> power,
> 
> 
> Warning: Using an AC adapter that produces more than
> 
> 19 W with a PowerBook 100 or 150 computer will
> damage
> 
> the computer's logic board.
> 
> 
> that is from apple's site, it may only apply to the
> 
> 150 and 100, but if the battery(i imagine it would)
> 
> had such a grossly excess amount of power it may
> also
> 
> to damage your 170.
> 
> 
> Guess what, I don't even have my PowerBook yet and I
> 
> know this stuff, lol, i'm so excited. Can't wait to
> 
> get it.
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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[RaceCivicR]

Thanks for the reply. The rated input voltage I was supplying was a bit 
higher than what it was designed for (states on the Powerbook 7.5V 2A max) 
and I was giving it just under 10v (using a battery pack that supplied a 3A 
max supply). Normally semiconductors are a bit more tolerant to a bit more 
voltage but you might be correct. As far as the amperage deal. Simple 
electronics specifies that a unit will only consume as much current as it 
needs. So supplying 10A of power would net the same results as supplying 2A. 
There are a few exceptions to the rule, such as a AMM meter which is set 
inline of a lead. But for the most part components won't be damaged by 
excessive current.

Anyway, I'll tear it down again and go component by component testing to see 
if any are bad. Maybe the extra voltage did fry the computer. If it did, 
anyone interested in parts? I'm moving in the 2 weeks and need to clear out 
some of the stuff here, so if I can't save it, it might be best to get parts 
into the hands of people who can use them. I'm still gonna see if I can get 
it working again but if I can't anyone wanting parts write me. Just cover 
shipping and a little for gas to get me to the post office (ya, I own a 
Honda, but it's more a racecar than a gas friendly compact now). 

As far as the details, it's a 170 with a 140 screen, 4megs ram, 40meg HD and 
even the modem option. Again, everything worked until I turned it off. I just 
tested the battery and after a long night of charging, seems to be holding a 
7v charge after sitting all day. Hope I don't get torn a new one for not 
listing this on the LemSwap, but this is just in case I can't get it working 
again and only seems fair to hook you guys up on it first!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...>

You should start with resetting the PMU...


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58416&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2

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ePage&searchMode=Assisted&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomV

alue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous|164758369


if it doesn't work then, i'd have to say that it may

have been too much voltage (the battery to the 1xx

except 190 was 6.75v) and requires a mere 15w of

power,


Warning: Using an AC adapter that produces more than

19 W with a PowerBook 100 or 150 computer will damage

the computer's logic board.


that is from apple's site, it may only apply to the

150 and 100, but if the battery(i imagine it would)

had such a grossly excess amount of power it may also

to damage your 170.


Guess what, I don't even have my PowerBook yet and I

know this stuff, lol, i'm so excited. Can't wait to

get it.

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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[Andrew]

> Anyway, I never had a power supply for the thing so I fabricated 
> one from a 
> step down transformer which I normally used to give the battery a little 
> juice which allowed me about 5-10 minutes of fiddling time. But 
> this time I 
> tried using a 12v car battery to power it and it worked. The OS was all 
> screwed up so I did a fresh install of 7.5.5 and gave it a go to 
> actually use 
> it again. Ok, now here's the odd thing. Everything was working 
> great until I 
> shut it down. After I did, I could never get it started again. No 
> bong (or 
> death tone), no hard drive activity and the screen got these 
> weird bright red 
> lines across it (even though it's a 1-bit 140 monitor). It also 
> won't even 
> react unless I plug power to the back and put the battery in. Any idea's 
> guys? It would really be a shame to scrap it after all this time 
> and work, 
> thanks.

Blown fuse?  I think it is a fairly easy repair.
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Re: Powerbook 170 acting funny

[Justin Stewart]

You should start with resetting the PMU...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58416&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com%2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePage&searchMode=Assisted&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomValue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous|164758369

if it doesn't work then, i'd have to say that it may
have been too much voltage (the battery to the 1xx
except 190 was 6.75v) and requires a mere 15w of
power,

Warning: Using an AC adapter that produces more than
19 W with a PowerBook 100 or 150 computer will damage
the computer's logic board.

that is from apple's site, it may only apply to the
150 and 100, but if the battery(i imagine it would)
had such a grossly excess amount of power it may also
to damage your 170.

Guess what, I don't even have my PowerBook yet and I
know this stuff, lol, i'm so excited. Can't wait to
get it.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My oldest Powerbook, a 170 which I saved from scrap
> a bit back was a little 
> toy I played with when I got bored back in the day.
> Pretty much everything 
> didn't work. But after much time and effort the only
> things I could never get 
> working was the battery, trackball and the space
> bar. So after that it sat in 
> my room collecting dust until today when I pulled it
> out. 
> 
> Anyway, I never had a power supply for the thing so
> I fabricated one from a 
> step down transformer which I normally used to give
> the battery a little 
> juice which allowed me about 5-10 minutes of
> fiddling time. But this time I 
> tried using a 12v car battery to power it and it
> worked. The OS was all 
> screwed up so I did a fresh install of 7.5.5 and
> gave it a go to actually use 
> it again. Ok, now here's the odd thing. Everything
> was working great until I 
> shut it down. After I did, I could never get it
> started again. No bong (or 
> death tone), no hard drive activity and the screen
> got these weird bright red 
> lines across it (even though it's a 1-bit 140
> monitor). It also won't even 
> react unless I plug power to the back and put the
> battery in. Any idea's 
> guys? It would really be a shame to scrap it after
> all this time and work, 
> thanks.
> 
>Jake
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Powerbook 170 acting funny

[RaceCivicR]

My oldest Powerbook, a 170 which I saved from scrap a bit back was a little 
toy I played with when I got bored back in the day. Pretty much everything 
didn't work. But after much time and effort the only things I could never get 
working was the battery, trackball and the space bar. So after that it sat in 
my room collecting dust until today when I pulled it out. 

Anyway, I never had a power supply for the thing so I fabricated one from a 
step down transformer which I normally used to give the battery a little 
juice which allowed me about 5-10 minutes of fiddling time. But this time I 
tried using a 12v car battery to power it and it worked. The OS was all 
screwed up so I did a fresh install of 7.5.5 and gave it a go to actually use 
it again. Ok, now here's the odd thing. Everything was working great until I 
shut it down. After I did, I could never get it started again. No bong (or 
death tone), no hard drive activity and the screen got these weird bright red 
lines across it (even though it's a 1-bit 140 monitor). It also won't even 
react unless I plug power to the back and put the battery in. Any idea's 
guys? It would really be a shame to scrap it after all this time and work, 
thanks.

   Jake

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Re: Phillip's Powerbook 170 with dead batteries

[Clark Martin]

At 6:12 PM -0800 12/10/2002, martin wrote:
>  >Also I have 5 extra old batteries.  If the recharger or the PB can't
>>detect them much less recharge them does that mean they're totally
>>dead?
>
>
>You can use a PB180 power supply for a PB180 or less (that is any PB
>requiring LESS than 3.0 amps), but you cannot safely power a PB180
>with a 2.0A supply. Sorry.


The PB180 is okay with the 2A supply, it's the PB 180c that needs the 
3A.  This is based on not only using a PB180 with a 2A supply but 
measuring the current draw on it.

>
>And, DON'T toss out your "dead" batteries, as the cases are a hard to
>find item. You can order a set of 10 - 2/3A size NiMH or NiCd cells
>(get the tabbed kind), solder em together and rebuild your batteries.
>I posted complete instructions on this last year (check the
>archives), and I think the Pickle might have posted the same
>instructions on his site (THANKS Pickle!). It's very worthwhile to
>replace the cells in your battery packs; I've done it to 3 batteries,
>and they all work just like new ones (that is, they actually run my
>Powerbook for almost the "rated" time of 2 hours, with backlight on
>and HD running). Just promise you won't send your dead batteries to a
>landfill!   Cheers.



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Re: Phillip's Powerbook 170 with dead batteries

[martin]

>Also I have 5 extra old batteries.  If the recharger or the PB can't 
>detect them much less recharge them does that mean they're totally 
>dead?


You can use a PB180 power supply for a PB180 or less (that is any PB 
requiring LESS than 3.0 amps), but you cannot safely power a PB180 
with a 2.0A supply. Sorry.

And, DON'T toss out your "dead" batteries, as the cases are a hard to 
find item. You can order a set of 10 - 2/3A size NiMH or NiCd cells 
(get the tabbed kind), solder em together and rebuild your batteries. 
I posted complete instructions on this last year (check the 
archives), and I think the Pickle might have posted the same 
instructions on his site (THANKS Pickle!). It's very worthwhile to 
replace the cells in your battery packs; I've done it to 3 batteries, 
and they all work just like new ones (that is, they actually run my 
Powerbook for almost the "rated" time of 2 hours, with backlight on 
and HD running). Just promise you won't send your dead batteries to a 
landfill!   Cheers.

martin

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Powerbook 170 Modem-what software to use

[Albert L. Lilly III]

Hi all,

I got a PB 170 with an internal modem second hand from a sale 
recently, and have been toying with it because it is fun, and it 
works well.  I have 7.6.1 installed for System software, with RAM 
Doubler also installed.

My question:  I have a modem with a black plug for the phone jack. 
Is this an Apple modem or a Global Village modem?  If Global Village, 
I assume it will take the GV software to boot properly?

I've never been able to connect to the internet, but would love to 
for the fun of it.

AL
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Powerbook 170 Modem-what software to use

[Albert L. Lilly III]

Hi all,

I got a PB 170 with an internal modem second hand from a sale 
recently, and have been toying with it because it is fun, and it 
works well.  I have 7.6.1 installed for System software, with RAM 
Doubler also installed.

My question:  I have a modem with a black plug for the phone jack. 
Is this an Apple modem or a Global Village modem?  If Global Village, 
I assume it will take the GV software to boot properly?

I've never been able to connect to the internet, but would love to 
for the fun of it.

AL
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Re: no-go powerbook 170 newbie-followup

[Clark Martin]

At 3:03 PM -0600 9/19/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>AHA!  It now appears that the person who gave it to me tried to plug in a
>20v power supply.
>Not GOOD!
>Is there a fuse in a Powerbook 170?
>
>THANKS!
>Scott Earl
>
>
>
>
>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>Hi All!
>A friend gave me a Powerbook 170 that won't go.
>I charged up and recycled the battery with a conditioner and it holds a
>charge, but the Mac doesn't do ANYTHING when I press the start button.
>There is no hard drive, but I don't think it would need one just to bring
>up the screen and ask for a disk.
>
>I don't have a power supply.
>
>The unit is in remarkable appearance condition, but that doesn't help.
>Should I just sell it on eBay for parts?


Yes there is a fuse in the PowerBook 170.  And it is most likely 
blown.  I THINK that fuse blown will give you the symptoms described. 
I got a PB145b for free because it had a blown fuse.  I replaced it 
and all was well.  The following URL has a link for a download of a 
guide for doing the repair.

http://macinsearch.com/infomac2/information/hdwr/powerbook-rui-30-pdf.html

You do need to be fairly skilled doing electronics soldering to do 
this repair.  The up side  is that the part only costs about $1.
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Re: no-go powerbook 170 newbie-followup

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How does one "Reset the power manager" ?
(sorry so dumb)





   
   
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>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>AHA!  It now appears that the person who gave it to me tried to plug in a
>20v power supply.
>Not GOOD!
>Is there a fuse in a Powerbook 170?
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>Hi All!
>A friend gave me a Powerbook 170 that won't go.
>I charged up and recycled the battery with a conditioner and it holds a
>charge, but the Mac doesn't do ANYTHING when I press the start button.
>There is no hard drive, but I don't think it would need one just to bring
>up the screen and ask for a disk.
>
>I don't have a power supply.
>
>The unit is in remarkable appearance condition, but that doesn't help.
>Should I just sell it on eBay for parts?

You can HOPE for a fuse, but, from the PB170 (and others) service guide:

Power

Screen is blank;
computer doesn't respond:

1 Press reset switch.
2 Connect power adapter and reboot computer in 3-4 minutes.
3 Try known-good, charged main battery.
4 Check all interconnect board, daughterboard, and
  motherboard connections.
5 Reset the power manager.
6 Replace keyboard.
7 Replace interconnect board.
8 Replace daughterboard.
9 Replace motherboard.

Good Luck.

Ken



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Re: no-go powerbook 170 newbie-followup

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 19/09/2002 14:04 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>AHA!  It now appears that the person who gave it to me tried to plug in a
>20v power supply.
>Not GOOD!
>Is there a fuse in a Powerbook 170?
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>Hi All!
>A friend gave me a Powerbook 170 that won't go.
>I charged up and recycled the battery with a conditioner and it holds a
>charge, but the Mac doesn't do ANYTHING when I press the start button.
>There is no hard drive, but I don't think it would need one just to bring
>up the screen and ask for a disk.
>
>I don't have a power supply.
>
>The unit is in remarkable appearance condition, but that doesn't help.
>Should I just sell it on eBay for parts?

You can HOPE for a fuse, but, from the PB170 (and others) service guide:

Power

Screen is blank;
computer doesn't respond:

1 Press reset switch.
2 Connect power adapter and reboot computer in 3-4 minutes.
3 Try known-good, charged main battery.
4 Check all interconnect board, daughterboard, and
  motherboard connections.
5 Reset the power manager.
6 Replace keyboard.
7 Replace interconnect board.
8 Replace daughterboard.
9 Replace motherboard.

Good Luck.

Ken



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[EARLSW]

AHA!  It now appears that the person who gave it to me tried to plug in a
20v power supply.
Not GOOD!
Is there a fuse in a Powerbook 170?

THANKS!
Scott Earl




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>>Hi All!
A friend gave me a Powerbook 170 that won't go.
I charged up and recycled the battery with a conditioner and it holds a
charge, but the Mac doesn't do ANYTHING when I press the start button.
There is no hard drive, but I don't think it would need one just to bring
up the screen and ask for a disk.

I don't have a power supply.

The unit is in remarkable appearance condition, but that doesn't help.
Should I just sell it on eBay for parts?

THANKS!
Scott Earl



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no-go powerbook 170 newbie

[EARLSW]

Hi All!
A friend gave me a Powerbook 170 that won't go.
I charged up and recycled the battery with a conditioner and it holds a
charge, but the Mac doesn't do ANYTHING when I press the start button.
There is no hard drive, but I don't think it would need one just to bring
up the screen and ask for a disk.

I don't have a power supply.

The unit is in remarkable appearance condition, but that doesn't help.
Should I just sell it on eBay for parts?

THANKS!
Scott Earl


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Re: What to do with a Powerbook 170?

[Dana Rottach]

I used mine this spring for a statistics course... it runs the math 
coprocessor xlispstat pretty well!  I also used it to hold a pdf version of a 
meeting catalog (American Physical Society March Meeting--  paper catalogs 
are about the size of a good size phone book)  and that worked fairly well 
too, but the search time for the Acrobat reader was *way* too long.  I think 
that was in large part because it only has 8 meg of real memory.

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Re: What to do with a Powerbook 170?

[Michael Dolberry]

Thank you.

My wife is wanting to use the 170 in her work. She can
easily keep her contacts and project lists and other
items of records. I don't see a way that she can keep
pix of furniture, fabrics, finished projects, etc. for
lack of space and color.

I will need to go to powerbookguy or OWC or some such,
in the near future to upgrade the hard drive to more
than 40 meg.

I am just thinking of further uses for her while she
is on the road. (For instance, I am setting up our
trusty SE for X10 and as a kitchen message center in
our soon-to-built home.

Mike Dolberry

BTW, does Elkhart mean Indiana? (Go IU!)

--- "Marshall H. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It can be a good
> database machine for any
> information you might keep in FileMaker.   I keep
> demographic, billing, and
> diagnostic records in a 170 for when I must see a
> client off site.  If
> would be good for inventory records from various
> sites.  There may be some
> specialty applications in your profession it could
> run.  Mine scores
> intelligence and personality tests, using special
> software.  It can keep
> your schedule, your contact information.  It could
> be a handy Gutenburg
> reader.


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Re: What to do with a Powerbook 170?

[Marshall H. Lewis]

Michael Dolberry wrote:

> What sorts of uses could I dedicate it to? My PB1400
> goes with me each day. So the 170 can be used
> exclusively for whatever might be good.

I've been thinking about this.

The 1400 goes with you everyday.  What functions on the 1400 get in the
way, do you wish you didn't have to do?  Those could probably go to the
170.

A better question for me is, What can the 170 *not* do?  It can't play
MP3s. It can't play current games.  It can't visit Java-heavy websites.
Without external equipment, you can't see it do much in the way of color
graphics.

But, it can do just about anything else.  It is a good email machine.  I
use my 170 to stay in touch on trips.  It can also do light web browsing.
It is also a good word processor.  I bought my 170 for the purpose of
taking doctoral level exams.  It can be a good database machine for any
information you might keep in FileMaker.   I keep demographic, billing, and
diagnostic records in a 170 for when I must see a client off site.  If
would be good for inventory records from various sites.  There may be some
specialty applications in your profession it could run.  Mine scores
intelligence and personality tests, using special software.  It can keep
your schedule, your contact information.  It could be a handy Gutenburg
reader.

I have some screen shots of my 170 near the bottom of this page, showing
some applications I run on it:

http://my.elkhart.com/mlewis/photos.html

And, of course, a system profile:

http://my.elkhart.com/mlewis/170.html

Brainstorm.  Its a dandy little machine.  You'll find a good use for it.

If not, mail it to me.  ;-)

Regards,
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Re: What to do with a Powerbook 170?

[Michael Dolberry]

Thank you. I will.

--- modica frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are several 170 aficianados
> on this list, and
> their suggestions both on and off list have been
> very helpful. Check out
> the powerbooks archive 'cuz there's lots of good
> stuff about the 170 in
> it.
> Marshall Lewis has an excellent site about classic
> networking. makmac and
> Clark Martin often contribute great tidbits about
> these wonderful little
> machines. Keep on eye on the list and I'm sure
> you'll see their names pop
> up.
>  Frank C. Modica

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Re: What to do with a Powerbook 170?

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modica frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "What sorts of uses could I dedicate it to? My
> PB1400
> goes with me each day. So the 170 can be used
> exclusively for whatever might be good."
> 
> Mike:
> Right now I'm reading email (and replying) with my
> 170. I'm using FreePPP
> and NCSA Telnet for the email, but other folks have
> used earlier versions
> of Eudora. I am also accessing the web with two
> text-based browsers,
> MacWeb and WannaBe that I found on the Gamba home
> page. Several people
> have used iCab as their browser, but I haven't had
> any luck so far getting
> it running for me. There are several 170 aficianados
> on this list, and
> their suggestions both on and off list have been
> very helpful. Check out
> the powerbooks archive 'cuz there's lots of good
> stuff about the 170 in
> it.
> Marshall Lewis has an excellent site about classic
> networking. makmac and
> Clark Martin often contribute great tidbits about
> these wonderful little
> machines. Keep on eye on the list and I'm sure
> you'll see their names pop
> up.
>  Frank C. Modica
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Re: What to do with a Powerbook 170?

[modica frank]

"What sorts of uses could I dedicate it to? My PB1400
goes with me each day. So the 170 can be used
exclusively for whatever might be good."

Mike:
Right now I'm reading email (and replying) with my 170. I'm using FreePPP
and NCSA Telnet for the email, but other folks have used earlier versions
of Eudora. I am also accessing the web with two text-based browsers,
MacWeb and WannaBe that I found on the Gamba home page. Several people
have used iCab as their browser, but I haven't had any luck so far getting
it running for me. There are several 170 aficianados on this list, and
their suggestions both on and off list have been very helpful. Check out
the powerbooks archive 'cuz there's lots of good stuff about the 170 in
it.
Marshall Lewis has an excellent site about classic networking. makmac and
Clark Martin often contribute great tidbits about these wonderful little
machines. Keep on eye on the list and I'm sure you'll see their names pop
up.
 Frank C. Modica






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What to do with a Powerbook 170?

[Michael Dolberry]

I would like to tap into the wisdom of the group to
find good uses for my PB170.

I feel as if I am not using it to its best advantage.

What sorts of uses could I dedicate it to? My PB1400
goes with me each day. So the 170 can be used
exclusively for whatever might be good.

I am intentionally leaving this vague, to solicit the
most ideas.

Thank you,
Mike Dolberry

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