Python IDE

[Chris]

What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, but 
I'd like something with more functionality.

Chris
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Python IDE

[tom . russell]

Has anyone used BlackAdder IDE for any project small or big? Whats your opinion?

Thanks,

Tom


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Python IDE

[linuxfreak]

Which is a better python IDE SPE or WingIDE in terms of features

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Python IDE

[linuxfreak]

Hi guys,
   Got going with python...and i must say its a pretty cool language.
Been using Xemacs to write me programs. But I want an IDE that would
give me auto-completion, online help and the like... Tried SPE and
Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latter is quite
unweildy and does not have a great many features. I quite like the UML
feature found in SPE but the damn thing crashes way too often. What are
you guys using and what do you think is the best IDE...or should i
stick with Xemacs/emacs???

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Re: Python IDE

[Alex Stapleton]

Chris wrote:
What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, but 
I'd like something with more functionality.

Chris
Oh god we're all going to die.
But er, ActiveState Komodo is quite nice IIRC (can't use it anymore as 
all my coding is commercial and I don't need it enough to spend that 
much cash on it) but EditPlus is nice once you get it setup but not very 
IDEy. Eclipse with one of the various Python modules is horrible don't 
bother. There is of course always Emacs, but again it's hardly Visual 
Studio (im only talking about the UI, emacs fans please dont flame me)

Personally my vote goes for Komodo, it's at least worth a try with a 
personal liscense.

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Re: Python IDE

[Fuzzyman]

If you're willing to pay for one, Komodo is very good. Especially for
projects.

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Re: Python IDE

[Chris]

What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, 
but I'd like something with more functionality.
Oh god we're all going to die.
-chuckle-  Hopefully I don't start off a full fledged war.-grin-
But er, ActiveState Komodo is quite nice IIRC (can't use it anymore as 
all my coding is commercial and I don't need it enough to spend that 
much cash on it) but EditPlus is nice once you get it setup but not very 
IDEy. Eclipse with one of the various Python modules is horrible don't 
bother. There is of course always Emacs, but again it's hardly Visual 
Studio (im only talking about the UI, emacs fans please dont flame me)

Personally my vote goes for Komodo, it's at least worth a try with a 
personal liscense.
Why didn't you like Eclipse?  Was it that the Python modules were bad, 
or just Eclipse in general?  I use it for my Java developement and 
haven't had any problems with it.

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Re: Python IDE

[Alex Stapleton]

Why didn't you like Eclipse?  Was it that the Python modules were bad, 
or just Eclipse in general?  I use it for my Java developement and 
haven't had any problems with it.
Just the python stuff really, I've used it for some java stuff and know 
plenty of people that do every day and they all love it for Java, but 
having tried using it for anything else it's next to useless. In fact 
it's worse than a plain editor in some ways when your not using it for Java.
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Re: Python IDE

[Tomas]

"Fuzzyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> If you're willing to pay for one, Komodo is very good. Especially for
> projects.

I would recomend Wing IDE over Komodo. My experience is that Wing IDE has 
far better code completion. And the Source Assistant feature of the 
professional version is very useful.

As for projects, it doesn't support CVS or anything similar. Still, I don't 
miss this feature, because there are other excelent and free CVS clients. I 
use TortoiseCVS, http://www.tortoisecvs.org/, which integrates CVS-support 
in Explorer.

-Tomas 


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Re: Python IDE

[Chris]

Try WingIDE if you have some money (about 35 E/$ for the personal
version) to spend, it's worth every (euro)cent. But please try SPE
first, maybe that's enough for you.
SPE?
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Re: Python IDE

[Frans Englich]

On Wednesday 15 December 2004 13:59, Chris wrote:
> > Try WingIDE if you have some money (about 35 E/$ for the personal
> > version) to spend, it's worth every (euro)cent. But please try SPE
> > first, maybe that's enough for you.
>
> SPE?

After googling for "python spe", my guess is "SPE - Stani's Python Editor": 
http://spe.pycs.net/


Cheers,

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Re: Python IDE

[fuzzylollipop]

TruStudio for Eclipse is nice for those everything must be free
socialists.
ActiveState Komodo is probably the best commerical Python IDE
and the ActiveState Python plugin for Visual Studio is great for those
that do VS.

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Re: Python IDE

[dataangel]

fuzzylollipop wrote:
TruStudio for Eclipse is nice for those everything must be free
socialists.
ActiveState Komodo is probably the best commerical Python IDE
and the ActiveState Python plugin for Visual Studio is great for those
that do VS.
 

It's also great for those college students looking to save money. It 
feels nice to not fit into somebody's ill constructed stereotype =)
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Re: Python IDE

[Abe Mathews]

On 15 Dec 2004 12:18:15 -0800, fuzzylollipop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TruStudio for Eclipse is nice for those everything must be free
> socialists.

-OR-

- Those who are new to python, more comfortable in an IDE, and want a
Python-enabled IDE that they can use without having to pay now

- Those who would prefer to use one IDE for many different languages
that may include Java and C/C++

- Those who have been doing the "Emacs/Vi" and command line thing for
a while and would like to try an IDE without having to pay yet

- Those who may have to work on multiple different platforms (say
Linux, Windows, and OS X) on a day-to-day basis and would rather not
have to maintain multiple different IDE skillsets for the same
languages

- Those who are dabbling in Python, aren't sure that they're going to
stick with it, and would  have a hard time justifying spending money
on a piece of software that they may not use again in a month

There are certainly great "for pay" IDE's out there, and Eclipse may
lack huge featuresets that these commercial IDE's have.  Howerver, to
suggest that those who would use Eclipse are socialists kinda rankles,
you know?
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Re: Python IDE

[Roland Heiber]

limodou wrote:
http://wiki.wookpecker.org.cn/moin.cgi/NewEdit
Try this instead:
http://wiki.woodpecker.org.cn/moin.cgi/NewEdit
   ^
SCNR, Roland ;)
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Re: Python IDE

[Dan Perl]

Interesting.  I've never met anyone like that.  If they are in high tech, 
they must be hardware people, otherwise how would they make a living?  And 
I'm not sure "socialists" is the correct term in this case, it sounds to me 
more like "communists".  Or "liberals" for our friends in the US.

;-)  (for the sarcasm challenged)

Dan

"fuzzylollipop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> no it was a sideways remark at all the software socialists that thing
> EVERYTHING should be free, never said anything about Eclipse, just the
> people that insist ALL software should be free.
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Re: Python IDE

[Mike Meyer]

A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
Q: topposting.

"Dan Perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "fuzzylollipop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> no it was a sideways remark at all the software socialists that thing
>> EVERYTHING should be free, never said anything about Eclipse, just the
>> people that insist ALL software should be free.
> Interesting.  I've never met anyone like that.  If they are in high tech, 
> they must be hardware people, otherwise how would they make a living?  And 
> I'm not sure "socialists" is the correct term in this case, it sounds to me 
> more like "communists".  Or "liberals" for our friends in the US.

I have. They make a living supporting free software. Take a look at
www.zope.com and www.zope.org for an example (to be clear, I am *not*
claiming that the folks at zope believe that all software should be
free. Merely that they make a living off software they give away for
free.) There have been other examples of such before. There was a
group that made a living porting GCC to vender-specific hardware
platforms, one condition being that the port wound up in the GCC
suite. I believe they got bought by redhat.

Phillip Greenspun once ran a company on this model as well. It did
well until the venture capata


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Re: Python IDE

[Mike Meyer]

A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
Q: topposting.

"Dan Perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "fuzzylollipop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> no it was a sideways remark at all the software socialists that thing
>> EVERYTHING should be free, never said anything about Eclipse, just the
>> people that insist ALL software should be free.
> Interesting.  I've never met anyone like that.  If they are in high tech, 
> they must be hardware people, otherwise how would they make a living?  And 
> I'm not sure "socialists" is the correct term in this case, it sounds to me 
> more like "communists".  Or "liberals" for our friends in the US.

I have. They make a living supporting free software. Take a look at
www.zope.com and www.zope.org for an example (to be clear, I am *not*
claiming that the folks at zope believe that all software should be
free. Merely that they make a living off software they give away for
free.) There have been other examples of such before. There was a
group that made a living porting GCC to vender-specific hardware
platforms, one condition being that the port wound up in the GCC
suite. I believe they got bought by redhat.

Phillip Greenspun once ran a company on this model as well. It did
well until the venture capatalists took it over. You can read his
views on software pricing at http://philip.greenspun.com/research/software-pricing >.

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Re: Python IDE

[Mike Meyer]

"Dan Perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
>> Q: topposting.
>
> What is "Jeopardy", Alex?  You got your Q&A mixed up.

No, the Q&A in that order demonstrate what's wrong with top posting.

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Re: Python IDE

[JanC]

Mike Meyer schreef:

> There was a group that made a living porting GCC to vender-specific
> hardware platforms,

Cygnus.

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Re: Python IDE

[Dan Perl]

"Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Dan Perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
>>> Q: topposting.
>>
>> What is "Jeopardy", Alex?  You got your Q&A mixed up.
>
> No, the Q&A in that order demonstrate what's wrong with top posting.
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Re: Python IDE

[Fuzzyman]

Dan Perl wrote:
> "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "Dan Perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
> >>> Q: topposting.
> >>
> >> What is "Jeopardy", Alex?  You got your Q&A mixed up.
> >
> > No, the Q&A in that order demonstrate what's wrong with top
posting.
> >
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> > Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more
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If it's a short reply to a long post - in context - top posting is
often *significantly * less annoying..

Isn't there a quote that includes 'hobgobline of little minds'..

Regards,
Fuzzy
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Re: Python IDE

[tfillmor]

Hi -

Yah, this is a ticklish subject...  personally I never have thought
PythonWin to be stable enough for larger projects, though I'm certain
this has something to do with the way our IT folks see fit to set up
our workstations (no I cannot modify the configs).  It's quite nice for
basic things, though.  Also, while I am forced to use Win32 at work, I
really prefer to use Linux and MacOSX.  Thus, for me the cross platform
concept is mandatory as I would prefer to learn only one editor.

I tried Eclipse, really I did, and think it's a great product - - for
Java.  That may change in the future but for me it's not something I am
comfortable using - - for Python.  That and the fact that my work
machine is not too powerful all but rules out using Java.  Yes, it
works, though very slowly.

I personally don't have the money for a commercially licensed product,
and quite honestly don't see an immediate need for one.  For me, what I
need is something that can address my _coding_ needs, such as
calltips, auto-indent and the like, not _project_ needs.  Some folks
need this level of functionality, I don't...

I've used SPE (http://spe.pycs.net/) and found it to be quite wonderful
but also a bit touchy, though not quite as much as PythonWin.  I should
note I haven't used it in a while so it may be just the thing to now
use.  In fact I'm gonna give it a whirl sometime soon because of the
GUI design components.

What I am using right now, quite happily, is SciTE
(http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html), a cross-platform  GTK
editor basied on Scintilla that I have found strikes a good balance of
features vs necessary resources.  For example, what it offers is this:
1) A free editor with syntax highlighting for many many languages and
'gotta have' features such as indents, folding and the like
2) Calltips that work _on all platforms_.  Some are downloadable from
the site, though for Python, you need to use the script at this
location (http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/gen_python_api.zip) - be
sure to read the first portion of the script as it has notes on what to
do to activate the calltips in the editor.
3) About a bazillion other things that can be tweaked, with config
files that can be copied between work machines.
4) Global as well as local config files for those with specific needs.

Anyway, I think SciTE offers a good mix of features - what it doesn't
have (e.g., printing) it has alternate solutions for (e.g., exporting
in html, pdf, etc).  With regard to printing, I've found that when I do
need to print I like having the exported files around anyway.
Good luck!!


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RE: Python IDE

[Doran_Dermot]

If you want to spend the $35 I can recommend WingIDE. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Chris
Sent: 14 December 2004 16:37
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Python IDE

What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, but 
I'd like something with more functionality.

Chris
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RE: Python IDE

[Batista, Facundo]

Title: RE: Python IDE





[Chris]


#- -chuckle-  Hopefully I don't start off a full fledged war.-grin-


Too late, :p



#- Why didn't you like Eclipse?  Was it that the Python modules 
#- were bad, 
#- or just Eclipse in general?  I use it for my Java developement and 
#- haven't had any problems with it.


I use Eclipse to code in Python when working in a project that has more than 20 modules because all its features (CVS integration, etc.).

But for edit one file, I normally use gedit or vim.


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Re: Python IDE

[Jarek Zgoda]

Chris wrote:
What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, but 
I'd like something with more functionality.
On Linux, Eric3 is really worth recommending. On Windows, if you don't 
mind spending some $$$, buy Komodo. These programs "have it all" (Eric3 
"has more", though).

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Re: Python IDE

[dimitri pater]

Hi,
Try WingIDE if you have some money (about 35 E/$ for the personal
version) to spend, it's worth every (euro)cent. But please try SPE
first, maybe that's enough for you.

Dimitri


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:36:34 -0500, Chris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, but
> I'd like something with more functionality.
> 
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Re: Python IDE

[Fredrik Lundh]

Chris wrote:

> SPE?

http://spe.pycs.net/

 



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RE: Python IDE

[Mikael Niklasson]

This works for me

/micke

Eclipse version 3.0+ found at http://www.eclipse.org 
And the pydev-plugin for eclipse that is found at http://pydev.sourceforge.net



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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:59 PM
To: dimitri pater
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Python IDE

> Try WingIDE if you have some money (about 35 E/$ for the personal
> version) to spend, it's worth every (euro)cent. But please try SPE 
> first, maybe that's enough for you.

SPE?

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Re: Python IDE

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Tomas wrote:
> "Fuzzyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > If you're willing to pay for one, Komodo is very good. Especially
for
> > projects.
>
> I would recomend Wing IDE over Komodo. My experience is that Wing IDE
has
> far better code completion. And the Source Assistant feature of the
> professional version is very useful.


I would also recommend WingIDE, and I use the Professional version.
It's not cheap ($175), but neither is most people's time.  The
completion is generally excellent (far head of Komodo, which always
felt sluggish), it has an excellent debugger, works with Zope if you
want to, and has some nice remote-debugging capabilities.  Also
SourceAssistant is lovely.

As Tomas pointed out, though, and my single biggest complaint... no
version control integration.  I really hope they add CVS *AND*
Subversion support soon. Oh yeah, and if you buy the Professional
version, you can get the source-code.

Eric3 also looks good, though a bit fewer features for productivity
than Wing, but more "flash" (like their package tree).
Just my 2 cents --- and fast devaluing.

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Re: Python IDE

[Grig]

I use PyDev (pydev.sf.net), an Eclipse plug-in. I may be biased, since
I contributed some code to the project, but it works great for me. An
article talking about using PyDev and ant within Eclipse is available
at
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ecant/?ca=drs-tp2604.

Grig

Chris wrote:
> What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm,
but 
> I'd like something with more functionality.
> 
> Chris

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Re: Python IDE

[limodou]

Try NewEdit if you have time.
http://wiki.wookpecker.org.cn/moin.cgi/NewEdit
Chris wrote:
What IDE's do y'all recommend for Python?  I'm using PythonWin atm, but 
I'd like something with more functionality.

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Re: Python IDE

[fuzzylollipop]

no it was a sideways remark at all the software socialists that thing
EVERYTHING should be free, never said anything about Eclipse, just the
people that insist ALL software should be free.

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Re: Python IDE

[Dan Perl]

"Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A: What's the most obnoxious thing on Usenet?
> Q: topposting.

What is "Jeopardy", Alex?  You got your Q&A mixed up.

So what, just because I wrote at the top of the posting you couldn't see my 
warning sign for the sarcasm impaired?

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Re: Python IDE

[David JH]

On the subject can somebody here who uses SPE (or just has some
python knowledge) help me out with the installation process?  I tried
following http://spe.pycs.net/extra/manual/manual.html#windows but end
up with the error:


python /c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py", line
1, in ?
import info
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/info.py", line 1, in
?
import os,sys,sm.osx
ImportError: No module named sm.osx


interestingly enough there is an osx.py in
PYTHON_DIR/Lib/site-packages/sm so I figure I may just have python
configured poorly somehow.  Any ideas on where I should look?

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Re: Python IDE

[David JH]

On the subject can somebody here who uses SPE (or just has some
python knowledge) help me out with the installation process?  I tried
following http://spe.pycs.net/extra/manual/manual.html#windows but end
up with the error:


python /c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/winInstall.py", line
1, in ?
import info
File "/c/system/python24/Lib/site-packages/_spe/info.py", line 1, in
?
import os,sys,sm.osx
ImportError: No module named sm.osx


interestingly enough there is an osx.py in
PYTHON_DIR/Lib/site-packages/sm so I figure I may just have python
configured poorly somehow.  Any ideas on where I should look?

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Re: Python IDE

[LutherRevisited]

Just looking it appears you are trying to install SPE in Python24, which I
don't think will work.  Myself I'm still on Python23 because IDEs haven't
caught up yet.  I believe if you put Python23 in and install it there it will
work.  On another note you may want to get Boa-constructor instead.  Nothing is
wrong with SPE, I played around with it alot, but I think you will find the the
GUI building tools in BOA are much better than WxGlade with comes with SPE,
though there are some advantages to sizers and all that, it gives you tighter
control on what happens when you resize, yada, yada...  but you can do that in
Boa if you like.  Hope this helped.
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about python ide

[赵光]

i am use python2.4.2 on my gentoo linux system
i want to find some ide of python
but i am using gtk2.8,wxPython has some bug on it.i cant emerge it correctly.
i want some ide use pygtk or other lib of python gui except wxpython(wxWidgets)

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Re: Python IDE

[Mustafa Yalcin Acikyildiz]

emacs, best ide of all-time ;)

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Re: Python IDE

[Fuzzyman]

SPE is very good - I'd use it, and if you need any features Stani is
very quick to add them.

All the best,

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Re: Python IDE

[Scott David Daniels]

Martin Miller wrote:
> ... If someone with actual experience using Komodo with Python is
> listening, I'd be very interested in hearing what you think of it
I got a copy of Komodo some time ago, and I love it.  I wanted a
fairly reliable "debugging" platform for a fairly large server
I was building (the business crumbled nastily), and I wanted to
step through the code to see where we were having problems.  I have
personally not had huge success using Idle for that (although it
doesn't really seem problematic for smaller stuff), and I have been
_very_ happy with Komodo.  Getting the updates w/o extra charge was
a bonus.  I was happy with the deal on the original version, so
these further improvements just make my deal feel better.

I don't regularly use Komodo, but when I do want it, it is invaluable.
My only affiliation with ActiveState is as a customer.

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Re: Python IDE

[David]

linuxfreak wrote:
> Which is a better python IDE SPE or WingIDE in terms of features
> 

You might want to look at a review of Python IDEs at
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html

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Re: Python IDE

[Murtog (sent by Nabble.com)]

WingIDE IMHO is better, but it is not free. If you are intended to pay for it: WingIDE, if not, SPE.

cheers! =]

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Re: Python IDE

[Colin J. Williams]

David wrote:
> linuxfreak wrote:
> 
>> Which is a better python IDE SPE or WingIDE in terms of features
>>
> 
> You might want to look at a review of Python IDEs at
> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
> 
> david lees
Thanks, this is an excellent review.  It mentions but does not review  SPE.

I've found PythonWin a good tool, it handles code completion.  Although 
I've had some recent problems with it.

There is PyScripter which looks as though it's close to ready for use - 
I ran into one bug.

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Re: Python IDE

[SPE - Stani's Python Editor]

SPE will be reviewed by the same person for the next PyCon against
WingIDE, Komodo and Pydev. Maybe you say which features you want to
give a better answer. I don't know about WingIDE but I do know about
SPE ;-)

Things which we want to have ready for the review:
- integrated debugger (now WinPdb runs external)
- configurable keyboard shortcuts
- configurable color schemes
- realtime syntax error underling (already implemented, wait for
0.8.1.c)
- ...

Well, much more features are implemented almost daily as more people
start also contributing.

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Re: Python IDE

[ncf]

Honestly, I'm just using Python's own IDLE to do it all. It works
rather well for my tastes :)

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Re: Python IDE

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

A lot of people swear by WingIDE and as an IDE I think it's the best
one there is. (Personally I prefer jed or xjed but that's because I
like to work that way)

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Re: Python IDE

[Mage]

linuxfreak wrote:

>Hi guys,
>   Got going with python...and i must say its a pretty cool language.
>Been using Xemacs to write me programs. But I want an IDE that would
>give me auto-completion, online help and the like... Tried SPE and
>Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latter is quite
>unweildy and does not have a great many features. I quite like the UML
>feature found in SPE but the damn thing crashes way too often. What are
>you guys using and what do you think is the best IDE...or should i
>stick with Xemacs/emacs???
>
>  
>
I use Eclipse with the python plugin. It never crashed. I set it to 
display tabs as two spaces and Eclipse tells if I type spaces instead of 
tabs by accident. I like it.
I had no luck with the code completion, but do you really need that for 
writing python programs?


   Mage


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Re: Python IDE

[Chris Lambacher]

I use Vim.  It does code completion and jump to variable/function definition.
Emacs does this too.  You just need to read the documentation about on how to
set this up to your liking.  The only feature that Vim does not have that I
would like is the function argument pop up, but I want that more for C than
Python.  It looks like Vim 7 is supposed to have this. 

If you are afraid of Vim, you might want to try cream:
http://cream.sf.net

-Chris
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 10:32:43PM -0700, linuxfreak wrote:
> Hi guys,
>Got going with python...and i must say its a pretty cool language.
> Been using Xemacs to write me programs. But I want an IDE that would
> give me auto-completion, online help and the like... Tried SPE and
> Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latter is quite
> unweildy and does not have a great many features. I quite like the UML
> feature found in SPE but the damn thing crashes way too often. What are
> you guys using and what do you think is the best IDE...or should i
> stick with Xemacs/emacs???
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Re: Python IDE

[JZ]

Dnia Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:26:38 +0200, Mage napisał(a):

> I had no luck with the code completion, 

It works. Just type sys. and wait a while. But you have to set up pydev
first. Check PyDev->Builder->Use Builders and PyDev->CodeCompletion->...

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Re: Python IDE

[gene tani]

you have an embarassment of riches (i think that's the phrase)

http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments

also try Eric and Komodo (the other $30 IDE with free trial).

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Re: Python IDE

[Dave Cook]

On 2005-07-19, linuxfreak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> you guys using and what do you think is the best IDE...or should i
> stick with Xemacs/emacs???

http://pydev.sf.net

You get the stability of Eclipse with that, but also the fat.

I swear I had code completion working in this, but last time I tried to set
it up I got frustrated and gave up, so put aside some time to learn your way
around Eclipse if you intend to use this.  I still don't feel quite at home
there.  

Personally, I don't find code completion compelling enough a feature to give
up my beloved XEmacs and python-mode. 

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Re: Python IDE

[Luis M. Gonzalez]

linuxfreak wrote:
> Hi guys,
>Got going with python...and i must say its a pretty cool language.
> Been using Xemacs to write me programs. But I want an IDE that would
> give me auto-completion, online help and the like... Tried SPE and
> Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latter is quite
> unweildy and does not have a great many features. I quite like the UML
> feature found in SPE but the damn thing crashes way too often. What are
> you guys using and what do you think is the best IDE...or should i
> stick with Xemacs/emacs???

Have you tried PyCrust?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pycrust/

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Re: Python IDE

[Fuzzyman]

Hmmm.. I've *never* hada problem with SPE crashing.. at least not under
Windoze...

Regards,

Fuzzy
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Re: Python IDE

[Franz Steinhaeusler]

On 18 Jul 2005 22:32:43 -0700, "linuxfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Tried SPE and
>Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latter is quite
>unweildy and does not have a great many features


Hello,

what are you missing in DrPython?
Did you took a look at the plugins?
What do you mean by "unweildly"?

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Re: Python IDE

[Franz Steinhaeusler]

On 19 Jul 2005 19:56:49 -0700, "Luis M. Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Have you tried PyCrust?
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/pycrust/

It is long time ago, that pycrust was delevoped 
as sourceforge project.

It is part of the wxPython distribution and 
I have recently added some features.

You could take a look at wxPython-user mailing list.

Pycrust is great to try/play with Python and wxPython.

But also DrPython has a powerful shell prompt.
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Re: Python IDE

[projecktzero]

You should probably stick with Xemacs. I use VIM, but I would be
surprised if Xemacs doesn't have those features you want. Also, it's
probably better to learn one editor well than a little bit of a bunch
of different editors.

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Re: Python IDE

[Florian Diesch]

linuxfreak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Got going with python...and i must say its a pretty cool language.
> Been using Xemacs to write me programs. But I want an IDE that would

I'm using GNU emacs

> give me auto-completion, 

Read the manual about tags and abbrevs
Emacs Language Sensitive Editor (ELSE) 
looks interesting too.

> online help 

python-mode has C-c C-h for py-help-at-point

> and the like... Tried SPE and
> Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latter is quite
> unweildy and does not have a great many features. I quite like the UML
> feature found in SPE but the damn thing crashes way too often. What are
> you guys using and what do you think is the best IDE...or should i
> stick with Xemacs/emacs???

I don't like specialized IDE's as I'm using different languages and
don't want to switch my editor for them.

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Re: Python IDE

[Stani]

Try out the new version of SPE 0.7.4.a. You would make me happy if you
can make it crash. (But not by running crashing programs or infinitive
loops inside spe.)

http://www.stani.be/python/spe

Ciao,
Stani

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Re: Python IDE

[linuxfreak]

ok will give it a shot.
I had tried the 0.7.2 version with wxPython 2.6 and the moment i place
the cursor in a class name and pressed the space or the enter
key.booom there it went crashing without a trace. But i did like
what little i saw of it (apart from the crashes, of course) and the UML
diagram feature was just great. Lemme use this version and then i can
give some feedback. One more thingI'm trying to use the
wxStyledTextCtrl in one of my programsany pointers to where I can
find a good tutorialTried yellowbrain.com but it just has the docs
and not a tutorial. Thanks a ton and keep up the good work

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Free Python IDE ?

[Ernesto]

I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software
(debugging environment).  Is there a good FREE one (or one which is
excellent and moderately priced ) ?

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Re: [OT] Python IDE

[Dan Perl]

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That was my point.  I was being sarcastic again but I didn't put a warning 
anymore.  As I'm doing now, still posting at the bottom of a long posting.

I'm not sure whether you were attacking me too (am I the "little mind"?) or 
supporting me, Fuzzy.  Anyway, I think that Mike Meyer was more annoyed by 
my jab at US politics than by my top posting.  But it was safer for him to 
pick on the latter.

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Re: [OT] Python IDE

[Mike Meyer]

Q: What's the second most annoying thing to do on Usenet?
A: Fail to properly trim quotes.

"Dan Perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

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>>> >>> Q: topposting.
>>> >> What is "Jeopardy", Alex?  You got your Q&A mixed up.
>>> > No, the Q&A in that order demonstrate what's wrong with top
>> posting.
>>> Yeah, you're right.
>> If it's a short reply to a long post - in context - top posting is
>> often *significantly * less annoying..

When replying to a long post, you should trim the post to the relevant
parts. This goes a long way towards solving that problem. Even if the
relevant parts are rather long, it's still better to not top post,
because that'll leave things out of order for replies.

> I'm not sure whether you were attacking me too (am I the "little mind"?) or 
> supporting me, Fuzzy.  Anyway, I think that Mike Meyer was more annoyed by 
> my jab at US politics than by my top posting.  But it was safer for him to 
> pick on the latter.

You're wrong. I don't even remember seeing any comment about american
politics in your post.

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Re: about python ide

[Diez B. Roggisch]

赵光 wrote:
> i am use python2.4.2 on my gentoo linux system
> i want to find some ide of python
> but i am using gtk2.8,wxPython has some bug on it.i cant emerge it correctly.
> i want some ide use pygtk or other lib of python gui except 
> wxpython(wxWidgets)

Take astab at eric3. Uses Qt + PyQt


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want some python ide

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

i want some python ide use pygtk
eric3 is good for me ,but i like gtk,so i want some pygtk ide look like
eric3
wing is a good python ide,but i can not download it
some other python ide(must use pygtk)
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Re: about python ide

[D H]

?? wrote:
> i am use python2.4.2 on my gentoo linux system
> i want to find some ide of python
> but i am using gtk2.8,wxPython has some bug on it.i cant emerge it correctly.
> i want some ide use pygtk or other lib of python gui except 
> wxpython(wxWidgets)

Try Gazpacho or Glade for designing your user interfaces:
http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/
and here is an IDE called Pida: http://pida.berlios.de/
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Python IDE for linux

[Neil Isaac]

I have been writing python my little python scripts in gedit and running them 
using the command line. At this point I'm thinking that I would like to start 
using a real IDE. I don't need anything special or fancy, but would like it to 
manage projects, etc...

I do know about kdevelop and emacs/vi(m)/nano/pico, but I use gnome most of the 
time and would rather (but not require) that the ide use anything other than 
qt. Aside from just IDEs, I would love to hear about eclipse/jedit/(anjuta?) 
plugins.

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Python IDE: great headache....

[Sullivan WxPyQtKinter]

IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me very
confused. Really do not know which one to use.

I use WinXP sp2 for current development.

So far as I know, Eclipse + PyDev + PyDev Extension is perfect for
source code editing. Since I am really not sure how to use the debugger
module, I really do not know how to add watch to variables etc. Anyone
knows if this platform is a good one?

I hope that an IDE should be featured with:
1. Grammar Colored highlights.
2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file
navigator.
3. Code collapse and folding.
4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when
I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in
Visual Studio series.
5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step
into, over and out of a function.
What about other IDEs? Since I do not need GUI development. More over,
the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred.
6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the
identation of a line or a block.

In addition, I have seen quite a few editors, which are definitely not
what I want. 

Thank you so much for suggestions.

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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[Detlev Offenbach]

Ernesto wrote:

> I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software
> (debugging environment).  Is there a good FREE one (or one which is
> excellent and moderately priced ) ?

Try eric3 (http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html). It is a
Python IDE with batteries included and it is free.

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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[Caleb Hattingh]

Hi Ernesto

SPE, or Stani's python editor is actually a decent IDE that can lauch
the winpdb debugger to step through code, with side windows for locals,
and watches and so on.   It's not exactly integrated debugging a la
Delphi, but in general my need for debugging is much less with python;
the few times I have needed debugging, SPE did the job well.

I also like that SPE automatically checks my code with tabnanny and
pychecker.  That way I don't have to do anything extra to use these
tools.

Oh, and SPE is free.

Keep well
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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[Jarek Zgoda]

Ernesto napisał(a):

> I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software
> (debugging environment).  Is there a good FREE one (or one which is
> excellent and moderately priced ) ?

Good free: PyDev for Eclipse.
Good moderately priced: Komodo.

But from my long experience with Python, you rarely need a debugger,
since most of time your program will work as expected, if you had good
algorithm. Treat it as a language feature - you don't need to debug good
algorithms in Python. ;)

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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[Colin J. Williams]

Ernesto wrote:
> I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software
> (debugging environment).  Is there a good FREE one (or one which is
> excellent and moderately priced ) ?
> 
Ernesto,

If you are using Windows then you migt consider PyScripter.
http://mmm-experts.com/

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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[Fabio Zadrozny]

On 3/29/06, Jarek Zgoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ernesto napisał(a):> I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software> (debugging environment).  Is there a good FREE one (or one which is> excellent and moderately priced ) ?
Good free: PyDev for Eclipse.Good moderately priced: Komodo.You forgot excellent and moderately priced: Pydev Extensions ;-P (it is an extension to Pydev that adds many nice features... check it at 
http://www.fabioz.com/pydev). Cheers,Fabio
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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[bruno at modulix]

Ernesto wrote:
> I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software
> (debugging environment).  

This is not an 'IDE', it's a debugger.

> Is there a good FREE one 

http://www.python.org/doc/2.4.2/lib/module-pdb.html

Strange enough, I almost never had a use for a debugger in 5+ years of
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Re: Free Python IDE ?

[Joel Hedlund]

Ernesto wrote:
> I'm looking for a tool that I can use to "step through" python software
> (debugging environment).  Is there a good FREE one (or one which is
> excellent and moderately priced ) ?
> 

Try searching this newsgroup for "python ide", "editor" and such and you'll get 
plenty of good advice. This topic is discussed about once every week or so.

Cheers!
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Re: want some python ide

[赵光]

wingide is good for me
but i cant down load it
i download from
http://wingware.com/pub/wingide-personal/2.0.4/wingide-personal-2.0.4-1-i386-linux.tar.gz
but it stop at 7%
who can help me
thx

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Re: want some python ide

[D H]

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> i want some python ide use pygtk
> eric3 is good for me ,but i like gtk,so i want some pygtk ide look like
> eric3
> wing is a good python ide,but i can not download it
> some other python ide(must use pygtk)
> thx
> 

You can just use a text editor like jedit with gazpacho or glade
http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/
They are not as easy to use at QT Designer though for building interfaces.
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Re: want some python ide

[alex . greif]

Hi,
look for SciTE
http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html

it is small, fast and lightweight

Alex Greif

http://www.fotobuch-xxl.de/


D H wrote:
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> > i want some python ide use pygtk
> > eric3 is good for me ,but i like gtk,so i want some pygtk ide look like
> > eric3
> > wing is a good python ide,but i can not download it
> > some other python ide(must use pygtk)
> > thx
> >
>
> You can just use a text editor like jedit with gazpacho or glade
> http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/
> They are not as easy to use at QT Designer though for building interfaces.

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Python IDE (was: PythonWin troubleshooting)

[chuck]

Apparently not too many people use or are interested in PythonWin.  I'm
giving up on it.  It used to work pretty good.

I'm lucky that I have found PyScripter (http://www.mmm-experts.com/) a
python IDE for the windows platform which is much more stable and has
more features that PythonWin.  If you are doing Python development on
Windows I'd recommend taking a look at it.

I'm also evaluating Wing IDE.  I may have another post with comments on
it for anyone who might be interested.

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Re: Python IDE for linux

[BartlebyScrivener]

Neil,

If you aren't accessing this list via the web, start your browser and
go to:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python

In the search box at upper right, type in: ide linux

It gets discussed about once a week.  A recent long one:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/d10b18e1676eb351/3fba226d9147ff41?q=python+ide+linux&rnum=4#3fba226d9147ff41

Enjoy.

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Re: Python IDE for linux

[Fulvio]

Alle 09:43, giovedì 20 aprile 2006, Neil Isaac ha scritto:
> At this point I'm thinking that I would like to start using a real IDE.
Idle, shipped with Python :-)

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Re: Python IDE for linux

[Daniel Nogradi]

On 4/20/06, Fulvio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alle 09:43, giovedì 20 aprile 2006, Neil Isaac ha scritto:
> > At this point I'm thinking that I would like to start using a real IDE.
> Idle, shipped with Python :-)
>
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And there is also a long list of IDEs on the wiki:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
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Re: Python IDE for linux

[bruno at modulix]

Fulvio wrote:
> Alle 09:43, giovedì 20 aprile 2006, Neil Isaac ha scritto:
> 
>>At this point I'm thinking that I would like to start using a real IDE.
> 
> Idle, shipped with Python :-)

The OP said "a *real* IDE" !-)

> F


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Re: Python IDE for linux

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

my $.03

I'm a tool freak - not just development, in general.
Also from a Java background.

PyDev plugin  on Eclipse is the bomb, as far as I am concerned.

There was also a TruStudio plugin for eclipse that was a bit more
ambitious, but I've used it since early milestones through to the
current release, and there are still bugs in the way it handles indents
and code identification.

So I have settled on PyDev.  It does a good bit of the work for you.
It's package management is the best - basically it uses java based
ideas. IT's not a perfect fit, but it's good enough for government work
;)

Basically I use PyDev  for
1) syntax highlighting
2) code completion
3) minor debugging - debugger seems a little clunky to me
4) subversion integration - I love this feature, don't know how I got
along without it (via standard eclipse svn plugin) - also available for
cvs

And it works well and performance is good.  Code complete doesn't bog
the system to bad.

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Re: Python IDE for linux

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

when I said " It's package management is the best "

I mean't ISN'T the best

oops

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Re: Python IDE for linux

[projecktzero]

Neil Isaac wrote:
> I have been writing python my little python scripts in gedit and running them 
> using the command line. At this point I'm thinking that I would like to start 
> using a real IDE. I don't need anything special or fancy, but would like it 
> to manage projects, etc...
>
> I do know about kdevelop and emacs/vi(m)/nano/pico, but I use gnome most of 
> the time and would rather (but not require) that the ide use anything other 
> than qt. Aside from just IDEs, I would love to hear about 
> eclipse/jedit/(anjuta?) plugins.
>

I haven't done anything with it, but doesn't ERIC3 use qt?
You might also take a look at Activestate's Komodo.

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Re: Python IDE for linux

[Philippe Martin]

If your PC can handle eclipse ... memory-wise, I strongly suggest you give
pydev a shot.


Philippe



Neil Isaac wrote:

> I have been writing python my little python scripts in gedit and running
> them using the command line. At this point I'm thinking that I would like
> to start using a real IDE. I don't need anything special or fancy, but
> would like it to manage projects, etc...
> 
> I do know about kdevelop and emacs/vi(m)/nano/pico, but I use gnome most
> of the time and would rather (but not require) that the ide use anything
> other than qt. Aside from just IDEs, I would love to hear about
> eclipse/jedit/(anjuta?) plugins.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Rene Pijlman]

Sullivan WxPyQtKinter:
>I hope that an IDE should be featured with:

I use WingIDE 2.1.0 (beta1) and I'm pleased with it.
 
>1. Grammar Colored highlights.

Yes, Wing does that.

>2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file
>navigator.

Yes.

>3. Code collapse and folding.

Yes.

>4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when
>I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in
>Visual Studio series.

Yes (well, hints in a separate pane, no prompting).

>5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step
>into, over and out of a function.

Yes.

>6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the
>identation of a line or a block.

Yes.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Michael Ekstrand]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 01:03:36 +0100
Rene Pijlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for
> >variables.step into, over and out of a function.
> 
> Yes.

I'll second the recommendation of Wing's debugging. Best debugger I've
seen, any language, period. Only 2 things that it's missing (and I know
of no debugger that does them): Seamless debugging across C/C++ and
Python code, and going backwards.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Don Taylor]

Sullivan WxPyQtKinter wrote:
> IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me very
> confused. Really do not know which one to use.
> 
> I use WinXP sp2 for current development.
> 
> So far as I know, Eclipse + PyDev + PyDev Extension is perfect for
> source code editing. Since I am really not sure how to use the debugger
> module, I really do not know how to add watch to variables etc. Anyone
> knows if this platform is a good one?
> 
> I hope that an IDE should be featured with:
> 1. Grammar Colored highlights.
> 2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file
> navigator.
> 3. Code collapse and folding.
> 4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when
> I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in
> Visual Studio series.
> 5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step
> into, over and out of a function.
> What about other IDEs? Since I do not need GUI development. More over,
> the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred.
> 6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the
> identation of a line or a block.
> 
Sullivan:

Eclipse + Pydev does most, if not all, of your list - I am not sure what 
you mean by conditional pause -  plus a whole lot more.  One feature in 
particular that I don't think that I could live without is "Local 
History" which automatically maintains a series of revisions of each 
file whenever it is saved.  This is coupled with a really nice built-in 
visual diff that allows you to look back on what changes you have made 
and restore them selectively.  It is a bit like a built-in SVN or CVS 
system (which Eclipse also has) but at a very fine granularity and 
completely automatically.  It allows you to be very agressive in making 
changes to files because it is so easy to wind the the clock back.

I like Eclipse, but lots of folks on the Python groups seem to hate it 
with a passion.

I think that the problem is that there are a lot of Eclipse concepts and 
terminology that you need to know before you can use it at all - it is 
puzzling to use right out of the box.  This is compounded by the fact 
that the Eclipse documentation and tutorials are aimed at the Java 
programmer, and even so it still seems to be hard for Java programmers 
to get started in Eclipse.  So it is even more difficult for Pythoneers. 
  If you have used Eclipse for doing some Java work then Eclipse + Pydev 
is a snap, except that you keep looking for some of the wonderful 
features from the Java Editor that are not yet implemented in Pydev.  If 
you have not used Eclipse for Java then you are likely to give up before 
you have discovered what it can do for you.

If you install Eclipse and try to use it without reading the Workbench 
User Guide then you are not going to get anywhere.

The one major missing Python feature in Pydev is an integrated Python 
Shell.  Fabio has implemented a sort of shell in the debugger that 
allows you to enter Python statements in the console when you are 
stopped at a breakpoint - which is really nice.  But you cannot use this 
in the traditional way to develop Python scripts.

Don.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[gregarican]

Sullivan wrote:

> IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me very
> confused. Really do not know which one to use.
>
> I use WinXP sp2 for current development.

Personally I have gotten used to coding using ActiveState's Komodo. It
doesn't get in my way and offers the basic features I am looking for.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[SPE - Stani's Python Editor]

I've got used to SPE(editor)+WinPdb(debugger)

not surprisingly of course ;-)

Concerning the free-of-charge IDE's, things might change quite a bit.
You might have read this:
http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.lang.python.announce/browse_thread/thread/240c000583168029/2dec4ae34efe16e2#2dec4ae34efe16e2

Feel free to wiki on http://pyxides.stani.be

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Dag Fjeld Edvardsen]

I like PyScripter. It has some of, but not all, the
features you request.
http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductId=4

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Fabio Zadrozny]

Hi Sullivan,Just to let you know, pydev does all that you asked for (and if there's something you're missing you might want to add a feature request to it: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=85796&atid=577332)Some notes:To change the indentation in 'blocks', just select the lines you want and use Tab (indent) or shift+tab (dedent). The 'conditional pause' you said is regarded as 'conditional breakpoint' in pydev.
Cheers,FabioOn 11 Mar 2006 15:33:22 -0800, Sullivan WxPyQtKinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:IDLE is no longer satisfactory for me. Other IDEs make me veryconfused. Really do not know which one to use.
I use WinXP sp2 for current development.So far as I know, Eclipse + PyDev + PyDev Extension is perfect forsource code editing. Since I am really not sure how to use the debuggermodule, I really do not know how to add watch to variables etc. Anyone
knows if this platform is a good one?I hope that an IDE should be featured with:1. Grammar Colored highlights.2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project filenavigator.3. Code collapse and folding.
4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters whenI am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one inVisual Studio series.5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for 
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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[jussij]

> I use WinXP sp2 for current development.

You might want to take a look at the Zeus for Windows IDE:

  http://www.zeusedit.com

Here is how Zeus stacks up to your check list:

> I hope that an IDE should be featured with:
> 1. Grammar Colored highlights.

It does syntax coloring for Python.

> 2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a
> project file navigator.

It has a project/workspace feature.

> 3. Code collapse and folding.

It does code folding for Python.

> 4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function
> parameters when I am typing a function previously defined
> by myself. Like the one in Visual Studio series.

The code completion in Zeus is driven by the information
provided by the ctags utility and ctags works better for
some languages compared to others.

The net result is quality of the Zeus code completion does
vary from one language to next language.

> 5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for
> variables.step into, over and out of a function.

It does have a built-in debugger, but most likely there
are be better standalone debuggers :(

> More over, the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred.

Zeus is not freeware. It is shareware and has a 45 day
fully functional trail period.

> 6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to
> modify the identation of a line or a block.

It can handle Python indenting. It also has a block
indent/unindent feature (ie Tab/Shift tab marked areas).

Zeus is also fully scriptable an the macro scripts can be
written in Python.

Jussi Jumppanen
Author: Zeus for Windows

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[BWill]

Dag Fjeld Edvardsen wrote:
> I like PyScripter. It has some of, but not all, the
> features you request.
> http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductId=4
> 
>   -Dag
> 
> 
Hey, that looks neat, and its open source too. Why have I not heard of 
it? I can have Eclipse-style sub-window management without the hassle of 
getting PyDev configured.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Joel Hedlund]

>> Anyone knows if this platform is a good one?

It's very good. It's comfortable, helpful and stable. Also looks good.

> Eclipse + Pydev does most, if not all, of your list - I am not sure what 
> you mean by conditional pause -  plus a whole lot more.  

Maybe he means conditional breakpoints? PyDev certainly has that.

> I like Eclipse, but lots of folks on the Python groups seem to hate it 
> with a passion.

Any ideas why?

> If you install Eclipse and try to use it without reading the Workbench 
> User Guide then you are not going to get anywhere.

Woah, easy now! I never read any "Workbench User Guide" and I'm doing just fine 
with PyDev. Fabio Zadrozny (PyDev developer) wrote an excellent startup guide 
for python programmers that includes installing and basic editing:

http://www.fabioz.com/pydev/manual_101_root.html

It's all I ever read and it was enough for me to get going with Eclipse + PyDev 
within 15 minutes on a WinXP machine. 

On a side note: with Ubuntulinux 5.10 it was more of a hassle, but that was 
just to get Eclipse running smoothly. I.e: an Eclipse/apt/Java problem. Once 
that was neatly in place, that guide above worked flawlessly.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[3KWA]

Vim + iPython does most of it doesn't it?

That's where I am after I became a bit frustrated with Idle (which I
still use on odd occasions).

EuGeNe

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Don Taylor]

Joel Hedlund wrote:

>> If you install Eclipse and try to use it without reading the
>> Workbench User Guide then you are not going to get anywhere.
> 
> 
> Woah, easy now! I never read any "Workbench User Guide" and I'm doing
> just fine with PyDev. Fabio Zadrozny (PyDev developer) wrote an
> excellent startup guide for python programmers that includes
> installing and basic editing:
> 
> http://www.fabioz.com/pydev/manual_101_root.html
> 
> It's all I ever read and it was enough for me to get going with
> Eclipse + PyDev within 15 minutes on a WinXP machine.
> 

Sorry to offend, I was just extrapoloating from personal experience.

When I was looking for a Java IDE I tried IntelliJ Idea, Netbeans and
Eclipse in that order.  I found that I could use Idea and Netbeans
without reading the manuals, but I could not get going with Eclipse
until I read the Workbench User Guide and got the hang of perspectives
and views.  Even installing it the first time seemed to be a mystery.
It is not difficult at all, just different.  In retrospect, I don't know
why I found it puzzling but I have met others who have had the same 
experience.

It has improved a lot recently, but even the Eclipse web-site was hard 
to navigate.  I think that a lot of the puzzlement comes from the fact 
that the Eclipse folks present Eclipse not as an IDE, but as a framework 
  where one of the applications happens to be an IDE.

Don.

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Re: Python IDE: great headache....

[Joel Hedlund]

> Sorry to offend, I was just extrapoloating from personal experience.

No worries, man. No offense taken :-)

> but I could not get going with Eclipse
> ...
> Even installing it the first time seemed to be a mystery.

Yeah I felt the same too when I first installed it. I had in fact given up 
using Eclipse, but then I found that starter guide I linked to in my last post. 
It really is excellent. It's thorough and to the point, and I really recommend 
it to people who are interested in PyDev.

Cheers,
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