Re: [RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Patrick Moore]

What the heck are you doing placing online orders at 2 am? You can't be
behind Pacific Time (I am 2 hours behind a lot of my clients, which is a
pain).

I once placed an order on Monday morning from Wiggle or somesuch for tires,
standard shipping. I saw the DHL truck leaving my driveway after dropoff on
the following Wednesday afternoon at 3:30. That may well have been a fluke,
given that orders from SJS have never taken less than 5 business days (I
haven't ordered much from Wiggle).

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The point of this thread was that I thought it was amusing I ordered at
> 2am and it was already packed and ready to go at 730. I fear that intent
> has been lost..
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[RBW] Obenaufs LP supposed to be solid?

[lum gim fong]

Or cream, like proofide?
Mine is solid.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Joe Bernard]

Seconded on Ian's suggestion. Even by frugal working stiff standards, only one 
bike if you depend on it for commuting just isn't enough. You wake up one 
morning for work and a tire is flat, whaddyagonnado, fix the tire? Uh uh, ride 
the other one and save that madness for a relaxing after-work wrenching 
session. Keep the Sam!

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Julian. I've been through a couple Rivs in the last couple years, but 
this feels like a keeper. After a little more riding I feel stronger about it 
being more road-ish than my Appaloosa and Clem L were. It reminds me a lot of 
my old Romulus; like if you took that bike, dropped the toptube, stretched the 
chainstays and popped 650B wheels in there. It would be slightly insane, but 
I'd love to see someone do a Full Modern Dropbar with skinny tires on this 
frame. With electronic shifting! 

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for panniers and handlebar bag

[dougP]

John:

On my Atlantis, I have the little Nitto front platform rack (don't recall 
the model number) that has just 2 struts.  It's always on the bike.  Then 
when I need panniers I pop on the Tubus Duo.  My Atlantis did not come with 
any extra rack braze-ons but it was easy to find someone to add the 
necessary attachments.  Front bag is an Acorn Rando & panniers are 
Ortleib.  

dougP

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for a front rack that will let me use 
> lowrider panniers AND a handlebar bag. I'm sure the Nitto Big Front Rack 
> works, but has anyone used something else and loved it?
>

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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I was going to custom order so I’ll see what the stick width is for guidance 

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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[Jonathan D.]

I just saw on Instagram that Gravel and Grind has Roadini frames for 20% off. 
Pretty great deal. Beautiful bike!  


I wasn’t going to put fenders on a Rambouillet but then it was too much fun not 
 to ride in the rain. 

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[RBW] Front rack for panniers and handlebar bag

[Bill Lindsay]

In my opinion, the Nitto 27f is absolutely ideal for this application. The only 
thing better would be a custom rack with similar functionality. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: Stack and Reach for 57 and 61 Roadini

[Belopsky]

Best thing to do is look at the 57 geometry and compare to what you 
have.. 
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-570-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 8:00:01 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any stack and reach measurements for the Roadini in a 57 
> and 61.  Called Riv today and they didn't have any.  Wondering if anyone 
> out there has some..
>

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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

I was just at the Woody's Fenders site the other day and they seem to come in 
one stock width unless you custom order. They show up on a lot of 700c-wheeled 
fixies so I think the stock size will be ok with your tires.  

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Ian A]

I would personally say, that if you like the Sam, keep it and leave it exactly 
as it is. Too many people regret selling a bike, only to find they miss it and 
can't easily replace it. And two bikes is a good number, especially if you 
commute or otherwise rely on a bicycle.

You're likely to lose money selling the Sam frame too. If it is in the budget, 
you might be pleased with a decision to build the Atlantis all new.

IanA

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Julian Westerhout]

Joe, 

That looks great. I love the blue, and the very clean build. Fun!


Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 


On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 5:25:45 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Thanks, Patrick the Deacon! (I stole that from Grant). I'm really enjoying 
> singlespeeding, although it's technically 2-speeding, or maybe two versions 
> of singlespeed. 
>
> I put the front derailer on (105 double, I guess I sold my D-A) connected 
> to a SunRace thumby. I went on a longer ride today and it's perfect for the 
> terrain around here. There's a big enough gap between chainrings (40-26) 
> that I don't get the urge to shift-shift-shift on minor hills: the cadence 
> differece is too drastic so I just keep pedaling in the big gear..this is 
> what I was looking for. But when it really does become a back-straining 
> grade I can pop down to the granny for a minute. I totally recommend going 
> this route for anybody contemplating singling, but has that one annoying 
> hill they're worried about. It's fun!
>
> Mo better pics. No sunlight yet, but outside where bikes go! Check out the 
> shifter mounting, I copied it from Jenny's green Trek in Staff Bikes. I 
> wanted to retain the uncluttered look and bar access of a singlespeed, and 
> with the Bartube mounted you can hardly tell it's there. Stealthy!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/M2movkUXCzT48Fc72
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[john Bokman]

I trust in Grant, but my favorite Rivendell bikes, at least on paper, are the 
most svelte. I hope the Sam doesn’t get too beefed out. (Rather, I hope if he 
designs a beefed-out Sam, it’s a 26” wheeled Sam! I’d be all over that one.)
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Adam Kilgas  wrote:
> 
> On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>> 
>> PS: I was surprised at a recent blug or blahg post that said they beefed up 
>> Sam’s fork.  That was where I noticed a big difference.
> 
> 
> I was surprised to read that as well; kinda curious how Sam's fork now 
> compares to most Taiwan-made forks...is it still lighter..?  Or was it ever?
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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Adam Kilgas]

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
> 
> PS: I was surprised at a recent blug or blahg post that said they beefed up 
> Sam’s fork.  That was where I noticed a big difference.


I was surprised to read that as well; kinda curious how Sam's fork now compares 
to most Taiwan-made forks...is it still lighter..?  Or was it ever?

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[RBW] Front rack for panniers and handlebar bag

[drew]

I’ve used the big front, Nitto 27f and a pass/Stow 3 bar. All are good, though 
other than the 27f, not really lowriding. 
Downsides:
-Big front feels really big
-27f requires adding/subtracting the low rider mounts and I ended up never 
using them
-pass and stow is functionally the best, but finish isn’t as nice as Nitto. 

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[RBW] Stack and Reach for 57 and 61 Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

Does anyone have any stack and reach measurements for the Roadini in a 57 
and 61.  Called Riv today and they didn't have any.  Wondering if anyone 
out there has some..

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[RBW] Front rack for panniers and handlebar bag

[John G.]

Hey folks,

I'm looking for recommendations for a front rack that will let me use 
lowrider panniers AND a handlebar bag. I'm sure the Nitto Big Front Rack 
works, but has anyone used something else and loved it?

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Joe Bernard]

The point of this thread was that I thought it was amusing I ordered at 2am and 
it was already packed and ready to go at 730. I fear that intent has been lost..

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Joe Bernard]

Regular shipping. I'm only 45 miles away, though, so that certainly helps. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Joe Bernard]

That doesn't make sense. 

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Re: [RBW] My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

That's a thought. I had an ANT with a 3-peed coaster hub and front drum..that 
was a cool setup. The frame ended up not being my cup o' tea - it rode like a 
tank - but converting to that drivetrain on the Chev someday would be pretty 
sweet. 

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Re: [RBW] My new Cheviot

[tom coppedge]

Maybe consider a 3-spd internal at some point?  Sounds like you have the
situation for which they were intended - just enough range to help over the
rough spots but not anything more - no useless gears.

Regardless, sweet ride!

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:25 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Thanks, Patrick the Deacon! (I stole that from Grant). I'm really enjoying
> singlespeeding, although it's technically 2-speeding, or maybe two versions
> of singlespeed.
>
> I put the front derailer on (105 double, I guess I sold my D-A) connected
> to a SunRace thumby. I went on a longer ride today and it's perfect for the
> terrain around here. There's a big enough gap between chainrings (40-26)
> that I don't get the urge to shift-shift-shift on minor hills: the cadence
> differece is too drastic so I just keep pedaling in the big gear..this is
> what I was looking for. But when it really does become a back-straining
> grade I can pop down to the granny for a minute. I totally recommend going
> this route for anybody contemplating singling, but has that one annoying
> hill they're worried about. It's fun!
>
> Mo better pics. No sunlight yet, but outside where bikes go! Check out the
> shifter mounting, I copied it from Jenny's green Trek in Staff Bikes. I
> wanted to retain the uncluttered look and bar access of a singlespeed, and
> with the Bartube mounted you can hardly tell it's there. Stealthy!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/M2movkUXCzT48Fc72
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[RBW] Re: Adam's Chev on the BLUG

[adam leibow]

just saw it, Joe - looking good. i'll try mine like this eventually...

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 3:46:25 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey Adam, I got the front derailer installed on my 2-speed Chev and it 
> shifted great with the Paul Melvin. It's a really cool setup  (new pics 
> on my Cheviot thread) 

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[adam leibow]

nice, joe! sometime i'll try out that 2x1 setup. looks super fun. 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:21:57 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I interrupt my recent hiatus because A. It seemed stupid, B. I promised I 
> would show off my new Cheviot, and C. Maybe this will serve as 
> encouragement for anyone on the fence about a shiney new Riv to take the 
> jump. Apologies for the lousy indoor shots, I finally got the build 
> finished and just did some laps around the block after sunset. I'll had a 
> sunny outdoor album to this thread soon. 
>
> RBW Blue Cheviot 55cm.
> Nitto stem and Choco bars.
> Stock seatpost and my trusty Brooks B17 ti saddle.
> Tektro R559 brakes and those curvy Tektro levers Riv sells (the copy 
> mentions that they have kind of a 'brake from the hoods' position unusual 
> for mtb levers, and this is immediately noticeable. Very nice levers).
> Ergon grips, German mirror. 
> Velocity Synergy 650B wheelset from a listmember, LX rear, some kinda 
> Shimano dynohub front, some kinda B light from another member (thanks, 
> members!)
> Fatty Rumpkin tires with the lovely (and apparently accidental) red-ish 
> brown sidewalls. Trivia: the blue label on the tires looks nifty on the 
> blue frame. Sweet!
> 17t single cog located with two Gear Clamps, Paul Melvin tensioner.
> Sugini Quickbeam-ish double, 40-26.
> 8-speed chain..don't use 9-speed on this setup, it fits too tight on the 
> single cog.
> MKS Sylvan Touring pedals.
>
> Verdict: It's fantastic! Of course this is an extremely limited first 
> impression, but it feels light and nimble like other Riv road-ish bikes 
> I've owned. My snap judgment is more Hilsen than Appaloosa, but that could 
> be my brain biasing towards looking at road brakes whole I'm pedaling..who 
> knows??
>
> My first impression of the 2-speed arrangement is that it's a singlespeed 
> and I'll probably never bother to stop and "shift". I purposely went this 
> direction because I've gotten maddenly out of shape the last couple years 
> and riding ebikes only exaserbated the problem, so I intend to grind out 
> the big gear as much as possible. But it's nice to know the granny is there 
> if I really need it. Fortunately I've just moved from the monster hill I 
> was living on, or I wouldn't have even attempted this. 
>
> The plan right now - especially since I also just bought Patrick the 
> Deacon's Haul-a-Day - is to keep this on the minimalist end with no racks. 
> I have some shorty wood fenders coming which is probably pushing the 
> minimalist thing too far for a lugged steel bike with full eyelets, but I 
> saw that setup once on a Specialized Langster fixie and for some reason I 
> like the look. 
> Get a Cheviot!  
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/879LccVHzlW0mRsG3
>
> Here's the Haul-a-Day, also not great shots. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HIZdXsNfDPnnGDdb2
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[lum gim fong]

Joe, which option did you pick?
I did 3 day about the same time as you did thursday am, but mine not 
arriving until tuesday.
monday would be three business days.

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[RBW] Re: Adam's Chev on the BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Adam, I got the front derailer installed on my 2-speed Chev and it shifted 
great with the Paul Melvin. It's a really cool setup  (new pics on my Cheviot 
thread) 

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[John Hawrylak]

Joe

It seems if you ordered it Tuesday 2 PM, it would still have arrived Friday 
3 PM, VBG

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 6:00:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's here! Ordered 2am Thursday, delivered 3pm Friday. Not bad 

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Patrick the Deacon! (I stole that from Grant). I'm really enjoying 
singlespeeding, although it's technically 2-speeding, or maybe two versions of 
singlespeed. 

I put the front derailer on (105 double, I guess I sold my D-A) connected to a 
SunRace thumby. I went on a longer ride today and it's perfect for the terrain 
around here. There's a big enough gap between chainrings (40-26) that I don't 
get the urge to shift-shift-shift on minor hills: the cadence differece is too 
drastic so I just keep pedaling in the big gear..this is what I was looking 
for. But when it really does become a back-straining grade I can pop down to 
the granny for a minute. I totally recommend going this route for anybody 
contemplating singling, but has that one annoying hill they're worried about. 
It's fun!

Mo better pics. No sunlight yet, but outside where bikes go! Check out the 
shifter mounting, I copied it from Jenny's green Trek in Staff Bikes. I wanted 
to retain the uncluttered look and bar access of a singlespeed, and with the 
Bartube mounted you can hardly tell it's there. Stealthy!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/M2movkUXCzT48Fc72

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Re: [RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

[Patrick Moore]

Philip: How do you like the S2 hub? Do you notice drag in overdrive?

I've seriously considered kickbacks, SRAM or SA, as second wheels for my
fixie Rivs, but unfortunately both are overdrive rather than underdrive,
requiring either swapping out a ring for a small one, or installing a cog
too large for my dropouts (if I keep the same chain, which I want to do).
Of course, with 9 speed or older SRAM masterlinks, it would be easy to
splice in or out a section of chain to accomodate a larger rear cog without
pulling the axle off the dropouts ... I certainly don't want to mess with
my rings.

For example: on the errand Riv: 48 X 17/19 Dingle with 24.75" wheel = 70"
and 63"; with 17/20 Dingle, 70 and 60. If I were to use a 24 t cog on a S2,
that would give me a 50" low/direct and a 68" overdrive.

On the gofast, I've thought of installing a kickback with coaster brake,
since the gofast has only a front caliper. 46 X 15 = 76" on the "normal "
wheel, but with a 21t cog on the S2, I'd get a 54" direct and a 75"
overdrive high.

The S2, at least the non-coaster brake one, weighs about the same as the
S3X.

I probably would have been better off with S2s than the S3X.



On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a big fan of the dingle cog in practice. With two rings and a quick
> release, you can manually shift very quickly by moving the axle and rolling
> the bike. You'd only shift for long climbs or offroad riding.
> You can't use it with a derailleur, but you could use a DOS ENO freewheel
> with a derailleur.
>
> Currently my Quickbeam has an S2 kickback hub, and my Ross has a single
> fixed gear, but I'll keep the dingle cogs for the future.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 8:53:04 AM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
>>
>> The Dingle is one of these things I’ve suspected for awhile I would like
>> in theory but not in practice.
>>
>> I could never get over the idea of having to stop and move the chain
>> manually, and I was never clear if this could be engineered to be used with
>> a derailleur, essentially giving you a geared fixed gear bike. The same
>> goes for the White Industries DOS ENO.
>>
>> Doug Bloch
>> Alameda CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Joe Bernard]

It's here! Ordered 2am Thursday, delivered 3pm Friday. Not bad 

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Re: [RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

[Patrick Moore]

As Philip said, you don't shift as with a usual multiple gear system, but
only for hills long enough to make it worthwhile. Personally, I use the
bigger of the 2 cogs very rarely, but when I do, they're useful -- eg, one
ride involves a ~ 3-4 mile climb; another a 5-6 mile climb; those make
stopping to shift, even stopping to flip a wheel around for a cog on the
other side of the hub, worth it.

You can't use any derailleur with fixed cogs (one exception) because the
momentum of the wheel/cog if you should stop pedaling to keep the ring
strictly in time with the cog will make the chain wrap up on the cog, and
if you stop pedaling fast enough long enough or suddenly enough, the chain
will yank the rd up and break it, in the same way that getting a stick into
the derailleur will break it.

There was a German rd in the 40s or 50s that could handle 2 fixed cogs if
they were no more than 2 teeth or so apart; the slack takeup requirement
was so minimal that the rd could be designed to withstand the chain wrapup
forces. At any rate, that was the idea -- it didn't last, so maybe it
didn't work.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Doug Bloch  wrote:

> The Dingle is one of these things I’ve suspected for awhile I would like
> in theory but not in practice.
>
> I could never get over the idea of having to stop and move the chain
> manually, and I was never clear if this could be engineered to be used with
> a derailleur, essentially giving you a geared fixed gear bike. The same
> goes for the White Industries DOS ENO.
>
> Doug Bloch
> Alameda CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Bay Area: 3rd Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Clayton.sf]

This will be awesome! Hope it stays semi-dry so we can all go play in the 
dirt above.

Thanks for putting this on

Clayton Scott
SF, CA




On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 2:17:16 PM UTC-8, Irving wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> 2 years ago I started a tradition of going on a big campout with my 
> friends during the Super Bowl weekend. Last year I grabbed a group site at 
> Samuel P. Taylor, made it open to this list and luckily some members were 
> able to join! (For those of you who missed out, here are some highlights: 
> 2017 , 2016 
> )
>
> This year I decided to mix things up by grabbing the China Camp Group 
> Site for Saturday February 3rd to Sunday February 4th. I'll be organizing a 
> roll out from SF. Route  will 
> look something like this and East Bay'ers will have opportunity to take bus 
> to San Rafael 
> .
>
> Here's some more details on Facebook: 
> https://www.facebook.com/events/670228923365990/
>
> Let me know if you're interested in joining!
>
> - Irving
>

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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have a Roadini coming and am looking at Woody fenders to put on it. I will 
use a 28 or 32 tire.  Does anyone know what width fender I should order for 
this?  I apologize for the hijack question on your thread but was glad to see 
someone already got fenders on this bike

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Brent P]

Sam frameset shipped on Monday, dropped off at my FedEx location this 
morning. Not bad for California to Iowa. What made me smile was my name 
scrawled in magic marker along with FRAGILE on all sides and a few large 
smiley faces/random artwork. In today's pre-packaged, robot-picked, 
barcoded shipments from some online 'store' I appreciated knowing a human 
valued their job and my shipment enough to have a little fun and show the 
human touch. Never mind the fact it will take me most of the night to undo 
that world-class packing job!

Worth more than any *Prime*-speed delivery. :) 

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[RBW] Bay Area: 3rd Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Irving]

Hi all!

2 years ago I started a tradition of going on a big campout with my friends 
during the Super Bowl weekend. Last year I grabbed a group site at Samuel 
P. Taylor, made it open to this list and luckily some members were able to 
join! (For those of you who missed out, here are some highlights: 2017 
, 2016 
)

This year I decided to mix things up by grabbing the China Camp Group Site 
for Saturday February 3rd to Sunday February 4th. I'll be organizing a roll 
out from SF. Route  will look 
something like this and East Bay'ers will have opportunity to take bus to San 
Rafael .

Here's some more details on Facebook: 
https://www.facebook.com/events/670228923365990/

Let me know if you're interested in joining!

- Irving

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco bar, Tallux stem

[lum gim fong]

EDIT:
 paypal only please.

UPDATE:
I'll do the whole cockpit (bar, stem, brake levers) for $150. Buyer pays 
shipping. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Rusty Click]

Thanks guys, the biggest problem is that the Sam is my only ride.  It's a 
"Transformer" that dresses appropriately for the task at hand, and John, 
you are right that I will miss it. 

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 10:31:44 AM UTC-5, Rusty Click wrote:
>
> I am suffering from this condition, and wondered if it is normal.  You 
> see, I've recently ordered a new Atlantis (62), and I find myself looking 
> at owners pictures of their builds, and obsessing over whether to have Riv 
> do a complete build, or move what I can from my '11 S. Hillborne (which 
> will have to be sold to slightly offset the new bikes expense) and only 
> worry over what will not transfer.  
>
> Why can't I stop looking at wheels, at handlebars, and brakes?  I know I 
> have many months ahead of wading through the minutiae of all the choices to 
> be made, including the selling of my loyal Sam.  Is this "Buyers Remorse", 
> or some other malady experienced by those of us waiting anxiously for a new 
> bike?  I know I have at least 6 months of this torture/excitement to 
> endure, and don't know if I will make it through.  
>
> I consider all of you on this amazing site, a sort of support group for 
> the bike obsessed.  I am one.  
>
>
> Dementedly Yours,
>
> Dale Click "Rusty"
> Pgh, PA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hubs

[Tim Gavin]

Thanks, I didn't know about that option.

I've given up on Strava for the winter, because my phone's battery
inevitably poops out (from cold) before the end of a ride regardless of
whether it's running any apps or not.

P.S. I do have an iPhone6 that is covered under the discounted battery
replacement.  But, I'm a couple hours' drive from the nearest Apple store,
so I haven't gone through with the replacement yet.

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> Tim Gavin you can run strava in airplane mode. It saves a lot battery
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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Deacon Patrick]

Sharp bike, Joe! How are you liking single speeding?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hubs

[nathaniel nichols]

Tim Gavin you can run strava in airplane mode. It saves a lot battery 

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[lum gim fong]

 Usually when they ship something to me I check the tracking and upsfedex says 
that a label has been created and upsfedex is waiting for the items to be 
picked up or arrive at their facility. So sounds like it hasn't physically 
shipped yet.

But it's great that Rivendell packs it and contact the shipper so fast to get 
the ball rolling.   Rivendell definitely does everything they can on their end 
to ship quickly. Some companies it takes days for them to even get it to that 
point so you lose more time that way. It's nice that Rivendell does everything 
ASAP.

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[lum gim fong]

Another idea is swap everything over and then upgrade as the wallet permits.

That's what I did. Swapped my Sam build over to my Rambouillet. Cleaned the 
parts before installing. Fun!!

But no wait. I can see the fun in the planning.
You could sell everything you aren't going to use and then use the $$$ to buy 
the new parts.

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[RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

[RichS]

That’s really sweet looking. Good move to install the fenders. For sure they 
enhance the appearance. The silver grilver is cool too.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[Joe Bernard]

They don't send "created a label" emails, so I presume "shipped" means shipped. 

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[RichS]

Congratulations Joe! That blue looks really good. Please post some more pics as 
the build evolves. Have fun!

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

[lum gim fong]

Actually shipped or just created a label ?

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[RBW] "You should bike to work"

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Happy Friday everyone!

Our local NPR station has a morning feature called Listener Perspectives. 
Today's was about biking to work.  It is 2-mins listen.  Enjoy:

https://ww2.kqed.org/perspectives/2018/01/11/work-cycle/

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Re: [RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

[Philip Williamson]

I'm a big fan of the dingle cog in practice. With two rings and a quick 
release, you can manually shift very quickly by moving the axle and rolling 
the bike. You'd only shift for long climbs or offroad riding. 
You can't use it with a derailleur, but you could use a DOS ENO freewheel 
with a derailleur. 

Currently my Quickbeam has an S2 kickback hub, and my Ross has a single 
fixed gear, but I'll keep the dingle cogs for the future. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


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>
> The Dingle is one of these things I’ve suspected for awhile I would like 
> in theory but not in practice. 
>
> I could never get over the idea of having to stop and move the chain 
> manually, and I was never clear if this could be engineered to be used with 
> a derailleur, essentially giving you a geared fixed gear bike. The same 
> goes for the White Industries DOS ENO. 
>
> Doug Bloch 
> Alameda CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Surlyprof]

Having gone through the Sam/Joe debate when the Joe came out, I determined they 
are pretty different bikes.  I rode my canti-Sam up to Riv to compare it to the 
Joe directly.   I thought the Joe is heavier-duty than the Sam particularly at 
the fork.  The Joe handles much wider tires (which is what prompted my 
comparison).  Ultimately, I found the Sam was a bit lighter and lively feeling 
(to me) than the Joe.  They’re similar but I ride roads more than trails.  If 
that was reversed, I might have bought the Joe.

John

PS: I was surprised at a recent blug or blahg post that said they beefed up 
Sam’s fork.  That was where I noticed a big difference. 

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I plan on getting a Crust after my Atlantis dies. My Atlantis is now 20 
years old and I love it. It may never die. However, I would like the option 
of being able to run super supple 2.5" tires, disc brakes and braze ons for 
bikepacking etc. I have dropped hints for Riv to make such a model, as I 
would like to stay loyal to Rivendell. 


Please Grant? 



Clayton Bailey  
#dirtdance

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[RBW] Re: Adam's Chev on the BLUG

[Surlyprof]

Agreed on the large Wald.  I just took a medium USPS box to the post office 
yesterday in my medium.  They aren’t that big but only fit sideways.

John

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Surlyprof]

I’m not sure I’ll be the support you need or want.  Given that the Hillborne is 
a great bike that you’d miss it more than the few hundred dollars you’d get for 
it, I’d make it your lighter, go-fastish bike and make the Atlantis the handle 
anything life throws at you bike.  That would involve:
- assessing what Sam parts would be good on a stripped down road bike...
- assessing which parts are heavier duty and should shift to the Atlantis...
- order and replace the lighter parts on to the Sam while you wait for the 
Atlantis...
-  order and install the new and old parts on the Atlantis when it arrives...
-  Sit back and marvel at yor ingenuity because you just diversified your bike 
stable while only buying parts for one bike AND you were never without a Riv to 
ride!

Of course the final step involves the panic-stricken period while you figure 
out how to rationalize this insanity to your significant other followed by lots 
of household chores, flowers, begging forgiveness and, maybe, some retaliatory 
spending on their part. 

Good luck and enjoy the ride (literally and metaphorically).

John

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco bar, Tallux stem

[lum gim fong]

PS - just the bar and stem. No levers or tape/twine/cables. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco bar, Tallux stem

[lum gim fong]

or free pickup in Ellicott City, Laurel, MD area. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Bob Lovejoy]

Well, I do know exactly of what you speak... I have a new Sam build coming 
up and though I am mostly/somewhat/hopefully committed to using parts 
already here - parts stash + parts from another build - I still find myself 
looking, lusting and considering other things I see.  

The good news is I have a pretty good collection of pieces and parts and if 
I can just make myself use the crankset I have, versus the one that is 
calling to me(!), and also forget about a new or different wheelset, and 
the tires, and, well you see (and know!) how this goes.

I would have to say "good luck!" on keeping that up for six months! 
 Obviously the best approach is come up with a plan and just let it be... 
The good news about bikes is you can change them later.  In fact, 
especially with a new bike, it is at times best to wait just to see how the 
bike evolves into your riding and life, to live with the bike for awhile 
and let it provide inspiration (or resistance) as to build directions.

But, I know... easier said than done.

Anyway, good luck and congrats on the future new bike!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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Re: [RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

[Doug Bloch]

The Dingle is one of these things I’ve suspected for awhile I would like in 
theory but not in practice.

I could never get over the idea of having to stop and move the chain manually, 
and I was never clear if this could be engineered to be used with a derailleur, 
essentially giving you a geared fixed gear bike. The same goes for the White 
Industries DOS ENO.

Doug Bloch
Alameda CA USA

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[drew]

I just finished the 6th month wait for my new Atlantis. In that purgatory 
time,

-I pulled everything off of a donor bike and assessed what i was going to 
keep and what I wanted to get new or different versions of. 
-cleaned it all.
-sold the stuff that i wasn't going to use on the new frame.
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new really unnecessary components
 
and then the frame showed up!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hubs

[Jeffrey Arita]

FWIW: I agree with Tim on the *early *edition of the Luxos U.  I had 
reliability problems with the remote switch and you had to be careful 
cinching down the attachment bracket for the light to the bike (plastic 
chassis).  Can't speak to later generations.  We do have two Schmidt Edelux 
and they have been *very *reliable.

For our off-road touring bikes I decided to purchase Sinewave's 'Beacon.'  
It is an LED light combined with their USB charger.  Since the USB goes 
both ways, one can power the headlight with an external battery (or via the 
dynamo of course).  It also has pigtails for a rear tail light.  It ticked 
off all the specs we were looking for.  The unit is in an aluminum casing 
and Sinewave says the internals are all expoxied.  Haven't had a lot of 
experience yet - we shall see.  I will say we have had good luck with their 
'Revolution' (separate USB charger device) through drenching rain on our 
2016 TransAm.

The reason why I really like the Beacon is I can get away from the 
'piggyback' connectors for the Schmidt dynamo.  With a headlight and a 
separate USB charging device, one needs to wire each of them up.  The 
piggyback connectors are very good and clever but it adds another failure 
point.  Even though I meticulously crimped AND soldered the wires to the 
connectors, it is now one less thing to worry about in the middle of 
nowhere.

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:10:14 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Oh the Luxos has its drawbacks:
>
>- It's not as attractive as an Edelux
>- The plastic body seems less durable
>- Its beam is super wide but show plenty of notchy artifacts
>- Early production runs had quality problems (connectors separating 
>from main board, water intrusion in handlebar switch), though these have 
>been addressed in newer production runs (identifiable by USB charging 
>"dongle" instead of socket)
>
> But, considering its low price for a light and charging combo, I'm ok with 
> those drawbacks.  I have two Luxos U's, and each has been reliable for >2 
> years.  They've seen light rain, and I've definitely bonked into the one on 
> my 'cross bike while going over the handlebars.  
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:40 AM, mm fs  
> wrote:
>
>> Why aren't people keener on the Luxos U light with integrated USB 
>> charger?  Seems more affordable than the Sinewave options.
>>
>>
>> >>Sinewave beacon. Expensive, but the only real light/charger that I'm 
>> aware of.
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[RBW] Re: Adam's Chev on the BLUG

[Ty Smith]

+1 on the "huge" not being that huge. It's big enough for most things for 
me, but when I happened upon the "Giant" size on the Wald site I was 
somewhat disappointed that I was not aware there was one larger.

Full disclosure: I have mine on my Xtracycle which is a cargo bike. For 
most folks, the Riv "Huge" would be big enough. 

I'd just like to be able to fit BOTH my Yorkies when we go for a ride... ;)





On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 5:19:04 PM UTC-8, adam leibow wrote:
>
> Sean, 
>
> Sorry for the delay in reply. I have the large wald basket, which I guess 
> rivbike.com calls "huge." I recommend this size. The medium feels small 
> and my girlfriend would tell you it's not big enough (she has it on her 
> Atlantis) for commuting and general use. The Large/Huge (whatever you want 
> to call it) is the sweet spot IMO where you can fit a ton of stuff in it, 
> almost to the point where you probably risk hurting/bending your smaller 
> nitto rack if you overfill it with heavy stuff. This is why I have the 
> marks rack with double struts + irish strap connecting the tombstone on the 
> rack to the bars for added support. Something like a pass and stow would be 
> able to handle a heavier load with more confidence but looks less elegant 
> and adds even more weight to the total ride. 
>
> Additionally, if you ever bike camp, the medium won't be big enough by a 
> longshot IME. My fav setup for a s24o would be the combo of the marks rack 
> with large/huge basket and large sackville (pictured on my cheviot) plus a 
> large saddlebag like a Makeshifter outback or Ultra Swift Fabios chest or 
> w/e it's called. 
>
> The reason I am hesitant to call the large "huge" (as Rivendell does) is 
> there exists an even larger size, "giant," which is truly huge and might be 
> confused as being the "huge" Riv sells, were you to ask for the "huge" at 
> your local bike store. 
>
> Happy Trails
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 25, 2017 at 8:31:47 AM UTC-8, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>>
>> Great looking bike, Adam.
>>
>> I've got a 60 cm in grey that I built up over the summer.  It is used as 
>> a grocery getter and a trail rider.  With winter firmly in place in western 
>> New York, I've got the bike in the basement so that I can make a few 
>> modifications.  I currently have a Mark's rack on the bike and an Ostrich 
>> handlebar bag.  However, I would like to replace the bag with a Wald 
>> basket.  However, I am struggling to decide whether to get the medium or 
>> the huge Wald basket.  
>>
>> What rack / basket combo is on your Cheviot?  Do you have any issues with 
>> the brake / shift cables getting in the way of the basket?
>>
>> Thanks for the information.  I'd love to hear suggestions / 
>> recommendations from the group.
>>
>> Sean
>> EA, NY
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

[Steven Seelig]

David really said it right.  I've done it twice on a tandem with my son, 
now 8.  First year we were in the first group to leave and it was great, 
except for the pouring rain in 50 degree weather. Being in front really has 
its privileges.

Last year we were in the back, and it is literally like being in the worst 
auto traffic jam you've ever experienced, except on a bike.  So the weird 
thing was having to adjust your mindset away from being the free and easy 
bike rider who is virtually never stuck in traffic, to the captive goofball 
driving a car who is stuck in traffic.  The only difference here is that 
you cannot lament the fact that you were stupid enough to drive instead of 
riding a bike to your destination.  You are the car driver now, just on a 
bike!

Then, after you get through all the traffic and into Brooklyn, there is the 
final 7 miles or so on a highway, often riding into the wind.  The carnage 
of weekend and sometimes cyclists stopping and/or struggling was actually 
quite sad.  A lot of folks just aren't ready for a 35 mile ride.

My advice would be to park your car somewhere in Staten Island and take the 
Ferry to the start line.  That way, after you are done, you can just load 
your bike and drive away.  No matter what, you will have to wait to get on 
the Ferry, so better to do that in the morning than in the afternoon when 
tired and cold.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:42:55 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
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> Did anybody else sign up? My brother in law and I signed up...
>
> Alex Wirth
> Rochester, NY
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee Racks - Front & Rear - $170 each

[John W]

Jeffrey, is are these for 700c? Or smaller?

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Re: [RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the heads up. I ordered a couple. "ModernEbike.com" has 17/19
and 17/20 for $50 with no shipping charge.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Heads up if you are planning on using a Dingle Cog on a fixed build and
> haven’t ordered one yet. The 17/21 is gone, but there are some of the
> others available and various venders. Get um while the gettin’s good!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

[Rusty Click]

I am suffering from this condition, and wondered if it is normal.  You see, 
I've recently ordered a new Atlantis (62), and I find myself looking at 
owners pictures of their builds, and obsessing over whether to have Riv do 
a complete build, or move what I can from my '11 S. Hillborne (which will 
have to be sold to slightly offset the new bikes expense) and only worry 
over what will not transfer.  

Why can't I stop looking at wheels, at handlebars, and brakes?  I know I 
have many months ahead of wading through the minutiae of all the choices to 
be made, including the selling of my loyal Sam.  Is this "Buyers Remorse", 
or some other malady experienced by those of us waiting anxiously for a new 
bike?  I know I have at least 6 months of this torture/excitement to 
endure, and don't know if I will make it through.  

I consider all of you on this amazing site, a sort of support group for the 
bike obsessed.  I am one.  


Dementedly Yours,

Dale Click "Rusty"
Pgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Hugh Smitham]

I would be sending funds now if it was 6cm larger. Exactly my favorite 
Rivendell. GLWTS.

~hugh

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Tony DeFilippo]

Joe the Chev looks splendid, I love the color and those wheels look familiar! 
:) I'm glad they found such a great home and a good looking frame too augment.

Between this and all the glowing reports from Patrick I have to admit I'm 
getting single speed curious again...  I guess it's a good thing my enocentric 
wheel never sold.

Thanks for the details on the rear drive train, I wasn't aware of the 'two Gear 
Clamps' as a solution.  Keep us posted!

Tony

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