Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride VO Quill Stem? pics? / Orange Appaloosa touch-up paint?

[Jason Fuller]

I found that the VO 31.8 2-bolt stem tended to slip at the clamp more than 
any other similar stem, so I will stick to 4-bolt clamp for the removable 
faceplate style going forward personally.  Moreso than traditional single 
bolt stems, even! 

I like VO products but have a tough time justifying anything other than 
Nitto for stems, to be honest 

On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 08:11:06 UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I'm running the VO shim for the Bosco Bars, yes.
>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Corwin Zechar]

Late to the party - but

My favorite non-drop bars for any length ride are Albastache. Close second 
are Mustache bars. Not much difference between the two. Albastache are a 
little wider and have slightly less drop. I find it hard to tell the 
difference when switching between bikes though. Mustache bars can be had 
from suppliers other than Riv.

Corwin

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:20:30 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. I guess the answer is... all of the above!
>
> Billie, Choco, Albatross, Bosco, and some non-Riv options.
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
>> rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have 
>>> done some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This 
>>> spring I built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have 
>>> come to believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have 
>>> tried. I have ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have 
>>> no soreness in hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these 
>>> bars with a quill stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and 
>>> liked them for off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less 
>>> comfortable for me.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to 
 come back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the 
 forward 
 position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
 can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
 are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
 better. 

 On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. 
> I routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt 
> as 
> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>
> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, 
> around 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>
>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
>> for rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>
>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a 
>> bit, what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>
>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
>> bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting 
>> for 
>> most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a 
>> proven 
>> winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides 
>> further 
>> afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem 
>> is I 
>> only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to 
>> go 
>> on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come 
>> into 
>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. 
>> I 
>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>
>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars 
>> emerge 
>> as favorites for longer riding?
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[J J]

That was such a great, calming video, fantastic build, beautiful bike. 
Thanks Eric. 

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 8:10:00 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Last fall my partner inherited an old bike. It's an SR frame that her dad 
> purchased for her mom brand new in San Diego in 1987. It was over-geared, 
> set up with narrow tires on 27" wheels and needed a few more changes to 
> make it more comfortable and practical. I set out for nice wide gearing, 
> bars with more sweep back and maxing out the clearance for plump 38mm 
> tires. 
>
> The build video is up here , detailing all 
> of the changes along the way. 
>
> Cheers!
>
> [image: SR1.jpg]
>
> [image: SR5.jpg]
>
> [image: SR7.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[Corwin Zechar]

That is indeed a nice Quickbeam. Still shod with the original Suzue hubs. 
Rich-built to boot!

Seems like the most reasonable deal in the best color.

Corwin

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:43:44 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Nice one on Facebook 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1011486256914408/
>
> He says he will take to bike shop.
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:02:04 AM UTC-5 Matt B. wrote:
>
>> The final version of quickbeam, which came with silver paint, did have a 
>> kickstand plate. The QB never had those fork dropouts though as those came 
>> later on the hunqapillar in about 2011 or so.  My guess is that ebay 
>> listing is a simpleone with canti posts removed.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I think some SO frames had caliper brakes, but they only went up to a 
>>> 62cm size. Though I don’t recall the QB had a kickstand plate. Maybe the 
>>> later ones did. 
>>>
>>> But why would anyone take off canti posts to use caliper brakes? “Hey, 
>>> let’s take off my powerful and light brakes and put on something without 
>>> any power in the wet. That’ll be exciting!”
>>>
>>> Sorry. Don’t get me started on long reach brakes. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Not in this size*, and the SimpleOne was canti as well. This appears to 
 be a QB with the canti studs knocked off, then the clearcoat done. Also 
 it's a 64cm. 

 *Some small silver QBs had caliper brakes. 

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a 
> Simpleone.  
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Tom,
>>
>> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group,
>>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in 
>>> good condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>>
>>> Tom
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[RBW] Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[st nick]

Of course I meant SR mixte. 
Darn auto correct changed it.
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[st nick]

Eric,
The SR mixture turned out really nice!Well done!
Your shop is also terrific.
I do my own wrenching but only dream of a well organized nice shop like yours. 
I need to be inspired and get some organization going so I don't have to hunt 
for tools when I need them.
I have a too tall 25" SR  road frame hanging in my garage. It looks well 
constructed. 
Last week I picked up, best I can tell,  a 1973 Nishiki Competition step thru 
bikewith a swoopy style top tube.
I'm in process of making some changes such as the road bars to swept back bars, 
changing shifters, levers, and a few other things.
It's a 22" frame so I can ride it fine with the seatpost up enough for my 
saddle height.
I haven't seen many step thru style frames in a 22" but plenty of 19" ones.
It has a 21.1 stem.I'm trying to come up with a way to get the bars up higher. 
There are clunky looking bmx stems that would work but I'd prefer not to use 
one.
I've sanded down stems from 22.2 to 22 to work on older French bikes without 
too much trouble but it would take a lot of sanding to get one to 21.1.
Thanks for sharing the bike build video.
I would guess she loves the bike.
I like seeing vintage bikes built up Riv like and back on the road.
Enjoy and safe riding,
Paul in Dallas Enjoyed a 40 mile ride today on my Sam Hillbourne. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

@frahm - Awesome shot. Looks like a fun trail. Where is that?

@Jason - The Knolly is definitely a fun bike, but I consider moving to a 
hard tail all the time. I just don't get wild enough to take advantage of a 
full suspension bike. I kind of think i would still like to have a bike 
with some suspension in my stable. My shoulders are starting to feel the 
trail a little too much these days, but hopefully some strength and 
mobility work will sort that out. I definitely want to keep a bike around 
for the occasional trip to the downhill spots, so I'll prob always have 
something around with modern geo. 

@rmrose
Handlebars - The bars I'm running definitely aren't straight, they just 
aren't anywhere near as swept back as the Bosco. Tumbleweed Pursuader 
 It's 
50mm rise and 31 degree back sweep. It's also 800mm wide, which is too 
wide. I'm about to swap them for Velo Orange Seine bars, are narrower (750 
mm), have a little more sweep, and a little less rise. And I'll try Wavies 
after that, but I think 660mm wide is too narrow, and they may have too 
much sweep for my wrists ... We'll see. The main thing is that the Boscos, 
even with a 110mm stem, hit my knees going around switch backs. I love the 
upright position for cruising, but it just didn't work for trail riding. A 
shorter stem and wider bars does change the handling a bit - It's a little 
more responsive I'd say, so with the long stem and Boscos, the handling is 
a little mellower and the bike swoops a bit more.

Tires - Yeah, G-one's are great! I've found that for me, aggressive tread 
is really only necessary when conditions get a little sloppy, and we got 
basically zero rain all summer, so I haven't needed it. We'll see what the 
fall brings, but we're not supposed to ride muddy trails either - but 
that's more like when the entire trail is just wet. When it rains two or 
three days a week, there are always muddy spots a day or two after it 
rains, but we've pretty much been cleared to ride at that point. Just not 
like the 24 hours after a solid storm. Anyway, the 2.8's G ones grip every 
bit of bone dry trail and rock I've thrown at them, and since I cruise on 
this bike too, I like running the smoothest tire that gets the job done. 
I'll prob try the Terravails eventually and I have some 57mm G one's to try 
out as well, but changing tubeless tires is a PITA so I might dig up some 
more wheels. My Knolly has pretty aggressive tires (Maxis Asegai in the 
front) and it really digs in to the soft stuff and grabs the slabs, but I 
haven't come close to washing out on the G Ones in the dry dirt or rocks at 
all.

Saddle Height - My saddle in those photos is at about 68cm. My PBH is like 
82cm, but I don't remember what shoes I was wearing when I measured it. My 
saddle height for path cruising is about 71cm, but, like I said, I drop it 
a couple CM for riding single track, and I don't always put it back up. For 
the medium Gus, my saddle height is just slightly too low to run a 
Carradice bag with a bagman rack, but it works great with a more typical 
rear rack. It's also a little too low to run a standard medium size 
BagsxBird saddle bag without a rack (I think).

Paul in AR

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 4:49:50 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is why I think there are too many ways to screw up that measurement. 
> I am 5’10” and consistently measure PBH at or near 85-86. I have my saddles 
> at 72 across the board. I did have my saddles higher before moving to the 
> mid foot position.
> In any event, I sent an e mail to Antonio @ Riv to ask about the saddle 
> height on his Susie - 75.
> That settles it for me. If I get the opportunity to purchase a Susie / Gus 
> it will be the 53. Which is ok - I like 27.5 too!:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’m right there with you, Richard. I think PBH gets you in the ballpark, 
> but I always feel like a bit of an oddball whenever I read Rivendell talk 
> about how to figure it in relation to saddle height. 
>
> For example, I’m 5’8” with a 84cm PBH. However, my saddle height is 
> consistently 71-72cm across all my bikes, so I always feel like I’m riding 
> my saddles lower than I should be. But, if I raise them any higher, I get 
> knee pain immediately.
>
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Paul, regarding your wheel size comments; what is your saddle height if I 
> may ask? I sometimes get a little frustrated by PBH measurements. There is 
> built in inaccuracy imho taking that measurement. Look at this pic of a Riv 
> staff bike. This is a size 56 with presumably 29” wheels. My best guess as 
> to my PBH would be 84. The owner of this bike is 85.5. If it were as simple 
> as that I might conclude that I should ride the 56 vs. the 53. BUT, if I 
> knew the saddle height of the pictured bike it would be more useful I 
> think. It is 

Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Doug H.]

I too spend time looking at my Clem L. It is a 
handsome/pretty/sexy/striking bicycle. And, it rides so well! I honestly 
cannot decide whether I like the looks of the Clem L or the Platypus more. 
In my eyes, the Clem L is a touch more brawny looking which I do like so 
I'll go with the Clem L for the win. Rivendells and fall foliage are a 
perfect pairing.
Doug

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:09:49 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Also the fall leaves are beautiful. Michigan looks like an amazing place 
> to live and ride. 
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:53:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if 
>> that’s shallow."
>>
>> I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
>> Don't hate me for being shallow!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>>> image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
>>> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
>>> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
>>> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
>>> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
>>> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
>>> if not for pressing obligations.
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if 
>>> that’s shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Joe Bernard]

Also the fall leaves are beautiful. Michigan looks like an amazing place to 
live and ride. 

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:53:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
> shallow."
>
> I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
> Don't hate me for being shallow!
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>> image6.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
>> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
>> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
>> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
>> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
>> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
>> if not for pressing obligations.
>>
>>
>> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
>> shallow.
>>
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Re: [RBW] How many Clem Smith Jr. "L" owners are in Washington state ?

[JAS]

Kim,
I’ve got a Clem L; getting together for a Clem ride would be fun!  I love 
the French bakery in Olympia. 

Joyce
Whidbey Island

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 6:51:32 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank-you, Richard for the encouragement and your humor this morning. I 
> appreciate it. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 6:47:15 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There must be more than a few? I cannot be present for a ride but am 
>> always up for a conversation! I cannot stop riding or chatting about my 
>> “Low”.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am curious as to how many RBW List members own a Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> bicycle in Washington state ?
>>
>> How many of you live in and/or near Olympia or Tacoma with a Clem Smith 
>> Jr. "L" ?
>> I'm interested in sharing conversation and pictures with the possibility 
>> of riding together.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which is the best frame size for me? Pictures

[lconley]

The AHH looks like too tall of a frame to comfortably straddle the top tube 
when stopped and standing (given the seat heights) - it looks like a bike 
that I would ride. Having a long torso and short PBH, I always rode frames 
that were "too big" for me to get the handlebars up and further away. If 
the straddle clearance is OK, then either bike is fine. The AHH would allow 
you to get the bars higher more easily if that is important to you.
I am a sucker for the cleaner lines (less braze-ons) of the stays and forks 
of the Romulus though.

Laing

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:24:53 PM UTC-4 Dave C wrote:

> I have a 59 cm Romulus and a 61 cm Toyo Hilsen. The bar height on the 
> Hilsen is temporarily limited by the cable length to the brake levers, so I 
> can raise it once I have taken care of that. I plan on usually running 
> 35-38 mm tires. Currently, the Romulus has 30 mm Gravelking tires and the 
> Hilsen has 33.3 Jack Browns. I can raise the saddle height on both and ride 
> them, I wouldn’t lower it. Which is the better frame size in your opinion?
>
> I appreciate any feedback. I may keep both - I don’t know. Thanks, Dave in 
> Carlsbad
>
> [image: 4B71C8FC-1748-4E42-BE11-BC0C4D7C7EB6.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[lconley]

Nothing wrong with riding and enjoying a pretty bike. When someone tries to 
convince me to get a carbon bike, I always want to say that life is to 
short to ride an ugly bike, but I don't because that would be putting down 
their bike, so instead I just say that I am too heavy to ride a plastic 
bike.

I spend way too much time looking at my bikes. 40+ years ago, when I rode 
my Masi to work and kept it in my office; I would sometimes just sit at the 
desk and look at it.

Laing

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:36:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
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>
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
> if not for pressing obligations.
>
>
> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
> shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Chris K]

Thanks for the replies. I guess the answer is... all of the above!

Billie, Choco, Albatross, Bosco, and some non-Riv options.
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
> rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have done 
>> some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This spring I 
>> built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have come to 
>> believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have tried. I have 
>> ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have no soreness in 
>> hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these bars with a quill 
>> stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and liked them for 
>> off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less comfortable for me.
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to 
>>> come back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
>>> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
>>> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
>>> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
>>> better. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
 routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
 fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
 (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
 stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 

 The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
 (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
 Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
 Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
 with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
 Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)

 I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, 
 around 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.

 On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:

> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
> for rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>
> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>
> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
> bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
> most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
> winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
> afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is 
> I 
> only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
> on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. 
> I 
> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>
> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars 
> emerge 
> as favorites for longer riding?
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Re: [RBW] Re: For sale Simplex Retrofriction shifters + Suntour hub

[Ray Varella]

Suntour XC9000 front hub is still available 
Included is a Suntour grease guard rear 36 hole freewheel hub never built, 
axle has been shortened to 130mm

Thank you 
Ray

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

>
> Yes but the price has increased significantly. 
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-7 reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>> Is the Apple stock still available?
>>
>> PM sent
>>
>> Max in Santa Rosa
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:42:28 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hub is sold. 
>>> Thank you 
>>> Ray 
>>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:47:39 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>

 Pm sent. 
 On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:00:52 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Skewers or not, I’ll go ahead and take them. I might convert that rear 
> to an even narrower OLD. And I my convert both hubs to bolt on :)
>
> Please do me a favor and DM me. I’m using my phone and it’s just 
> allowing me to reply to the whole rbw group. 
>
> BL in EC 
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 2:10 PM William Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
>> Are the Suntour QR skewers involved in this offer?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito Ca 
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 9:10 PM Ray Varella  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shifters are sold, hub is still available. 
>>>
>>> Before anyone squanders their discretionary income on bike parts…$25 
>>> invested in Apple in 2000 would be worth roughly $8,000
>>> I don’t know where or when I acquired this hub, if anyone buys it 
>>> I’ll include a rear XC-Pro grease guard hub in never built condition 
>>> BUT, 
>>> the hub had its axle chopped with a hacksaw, it’s about 130mm. It’s a 
>>> freewheel hub
>>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 11:09:49 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 I'm not criticizing the $50 price for the Suntour XC9000 hub, but I 
 remember buying one from Riv in the early 2000's for...$20-25 USD 
 which was 
 a flat-out bargain. $50 is still more than reasonable for this 
 classic. It 
 is a beautiful smooth-running  hub; so nice I had a local wheel 
 builder 
 friend lace it to grey-anodized RM-17 rims with an older 105 rear 
 bought 
 from Sheldon Brown at Harris Cyclery for my 1993 X0-1

 On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:54:27 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella 
 wrote:

> Up for sale is a lightly used pair of Simplex Retrofriction 
> shifters. Clean and very nice 
> $55 + shipping. 
> Suntour XC 9000 front hub. 
> 32 hole, NOS, never laced. 
> Very nice sealed bearing hub $50 + shipping. 
>
> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>
> Local pickup in Vallejo CA is also an option. 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
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[RBW] Re: For sale cheap, fenders plus a Riv cap

[Ray Varella]

Fenders are still available 

Thank you 
Ray 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 9:32:39 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> Hat is sold
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:30:58 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> [image: D6D317CA-068E-4000-ADEE-BDF63BE70A51.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:28:48 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 088E3D1A-4D6F-4F48-96AB-2FEF790D59C6.jpeg]Sorry for multiple 
>>> postings but I’m going through a lot of items besides bike stuff. 
>>>
>>> I have two sets of Planet Bike clip-on fenders, one is 50mm wide, the 
>>> other is 70mm wide
>>> Plus a set of never mounted SKS Cromo plast fenders. These are 50mm 
>>> wide. 
>>> The rear has a twist in it from sitting on a shelf for years. I know a 
>>> heat gun can be used to warm up the plastic and straighten it because I’ve 
>>> done it before. Please be advised. 
>>> There is a second set of these fenders that have been decommissioned, 
>>> the rear had a section break of but all the hardware and stays are fine. 
>>>
>>> $25 for the fender group if you pick it up in Vallejo. 
>>> Due to the size of box required for shipping, I doubt it’s worth the 
>>> expense but you can decide. 
>>> Rivendell cap, orange. This has not been used. I may have tried it on 
>>> years ago. 
>>> It’s a little dusty from sitting on a shelf. $35 shipped
>>> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ray 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] How many Clem Smith Jr. "L" owners are in Washington state ?

[Kim Hetzel]

Thank-you, Richard for the encouragement and your humor this morning. I 
appreciate it. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 6:47:15 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> There must be more than a few? I cannot be present for a ride but am 
> always up for a conversation! I cannot stop riding or chatting about my 
> “Low”.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 23, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi,
>
> I am curious as to how many RBW List members own a Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
> bicycle in Washington state ?
>
> How many of you live in and/or near Olympia or Tacoma with a Clem Smith 
> Jr. "L" ?
> I'm interested in sharing conversation and pictures with the possibility 
> of riding together.
>
> Thank-you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
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Re: [RBW] How many Clem Smith Jr. "L" owners are in Washington state ?

[Richard Rose]

There must be more than a few? I cannot be present for a ride but am always up 
for a conversation! I cannot stop riding or chatting about my “Low”.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am curious as to how many RBW List members own a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle 
> in Washington state ?
> 
> How many of you live in and/or near Olympia or Tacoma with a Clem Smith Jr. 
> "L" ?
> I'm interested in sharing conversation and pictures with the possibility of 
> riding together.
> 
> Thank-you.
> 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
> 
> 
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[RBW] How many Clem Smith Jr. "L" owners are in Washington state ?

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi,

I am curious as to how many RBW List members own a Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
bicycle in Washington state ?

How many of you live in and/or near Olympia or Tacoma with a Clem Smith Jr. 
"L" ?
I'm interested in sharing conversation and pictures with the possibility of 
riding together.

Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 



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[RBW] Re: Which is the best frame size for me? Pictures

[Garth]

Both !  Ride both and enjoy them, and that's that.

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[RBW] Re: Which is the best frame size for me? Pictures

[brendonoid]

Saddle height is easily adjusted, which bike has the more comfortable 
reach? Stem length is also adjustable with more difficulty, so it depends 
on what you personally prefer.

On Sunday, 23 October 2022 at 07:58:36 UTC+8 John Hawrylak wrote:

> I would say which ever one fits you better wrt saddle to bar distance.  I 
> would think the AHH has a slightly longer TT than the Romulus since it is a 
> larger frame.   The picture shows the Romulus have a shorter saddle to bar 
> distance and a shorter TTL (from the frame pumps).
>
> Is the stem length and bar reach the same on each???   Which one is more 
> comfortable wrt to the saddle to bar distance??
>
> Which one feels most lively on the road??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:24:53 PM UTC-4 Dave C wrote:
>
>> I have a 59 cm Romulus and a 61 cm Toyo Hilsen. The bar height on the 
>> Hilsen is temporarily limited by the cable length to the brake levers, so I 
>> can raise it once I have taken care of that. I plan on usually running 
>> 35-38 mm tires. Currently, the Romulus has 30 mm Gravelking tires and the 
>> Hilsen has 33.3 Jack Browns. I can raise the saddle height on both and ride 
>> them, I wouldn’t lower it. Which is the better frame size in your opinion?
>>
>> I appreciate any feedback. I may keep both - I don’t know. Thanks, Dave 
>> in Carlsbad
>>
>> [image: 4B71C8FC-1748-4E42-BE11-BC0C4D7C7EB6.jpeg]
>>
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