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Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

2023-07-24 Thread Kim H.

Thank-you very much for sharing Richard. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your 
ride report. I am glad that you had a good time. I really enjoyed reading 
your feedback on riding your Gus and finding that pure joyful feeling when 
you find your comfort zone to bring you big smiles. 

What front derailleur are you running on your Gus ?

You do not like to riding with Bosco handlebars no more ?  What bars are 
you using on your Gus ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:01:40 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like a great ride and time! I’m happy to hear the Gus is working out 
> so well for you to complement the Clem!
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds 
>> like fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about. 
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking 
>>> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by 
>>> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in 
>>> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other 
>>> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to 
>>> our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill 
>>> paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on 
>>> arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's 
>>> Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful 
>>> meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday - 
>>> choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I 
>>> joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this 
>>> gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful 
>>> rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my 
>>> favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice 
>>> mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful 
>>> blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are 
>>> tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks 
>>> had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer, 
>>> frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog 
>>> playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star 
>>> filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann Arbor 
>>> was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more 
>>> spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got 
>>> giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit 
>>> loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles entering 
>>> Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is 
>>> really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my 
>>> estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that awful 
>>> team "up north".:)
>>> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My 
>>> mind was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the 
>>> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills. 
>>> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus 
>>> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad 
>>> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is 
>>> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay 
>>> bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is 
>>> a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears 
>>> when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy 
>>> to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I 
>>> may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
>>> All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating. 
>>> Link to pics to follow...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

2023-07-24 Thread John Dewey

Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one of
Richard Schwinn’s best pals. I know this because I’m Richard’s 2nd ‘best
pal’ (浪). And he rides beautiful bicycles. He even persuaded Richard to
build him the most gorgeous WF with most elegant, low ‘French’ bend you
ever saw. And that took a lot of persuading I tell you. So when Ted
Talks…we need to listen.

Jock

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:31 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof
> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be
> sportingly light.
>
> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo
> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which
> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy
> to ride.
>
> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit
> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building
> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you
> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes
> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm
> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds
> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main
> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were
> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel
> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any
> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example,
> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes
> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the
> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there
> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is
> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame
> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the
> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the
> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes
> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the
> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and
> he loves it.
>
> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia
> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But
> I loved the way it rode.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks C17

2023-07-24 Thread Nick A.

Sale pending, thanks all!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:46:28 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> Hello riv friends, I'm selling a standard C17. It's been barely ridden but 
> has a bit of shop wear on the nose. I'm asking $75 shipped in the lower 48.
>
> Thanks!
> Nick
>
> [image: 20230724_172056.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Adjacent Clothing/Footwear

2023-07-24 Thread jaredwilson



*Updated*


*Womens:*


Patagonia Iron Forge double knee hemp pants, size 4, great condition, $50


Patagonia Organic Cotton shorts, navy blue, 3" inseam, size 8,  great 
condition, $20


Patagonia Down Sweater, blue, medium, good condition light marking, $60


Bedrock Cairn sandals, gray, lightly worn, great condition, size 8, $60


Salomon X Mission 3, good condition, size 8, $25


*Mens:*


Patagonia Synchilla full zip sweater, red, made in usa, good condition, 
large, $20 PENDING


Patagonia Organic Cotton 4 button long sleeve, natural cotton color, good 
condition, large, $20 PENDING


Patagonia Down Vest, green, good condition some paint on rear and light 
staining, medium, $30 SOLD


Patagonia Baggies, both with liners cut out, orange medium, black small, 
$15/each


Bedrock Cairn sandals, gray, worn but good condition, size 12, $45 SOLD

 

Red Wing Chukka boots, brown, crepe sole, used but lots of life left, size 
12, $40


Dickies overalls, hickory stripe, 34x32 hemmed to ~28", good condition sans 
missing rivet for strap (no idea where it went), $20

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:51:36 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> Hey group,
>
>
> With our ongoing downsizing Ariel and I have some clothing to unload, 
> hopefully it's of some interest to the group. *Shipping not included,* 
> will shop around for lowest prices.
>
>
> PHOTOS 
> 
>
>
> *Womens:*
>
>
> Patagonia Iron Forge double knee hemp pants, size 4, great condition, $50
>
>
> Patagonia Organic Cotton shorts, navy blue, 3" inseam, size 8,  great 
> condition, $20
>
>
> Patagonia Down Sweater, blue, medium, good condition light marking, $60
>
>
> Bedrock Cairn sandals, gray, lightly worn, great condition, size 8, $60
>
>
> Salomon X Mission 3, good condition, size 8, $25
>
>
> *Mens:*
>
>
> Patagonia Synchilla full zip sweater, red, made in usa, good condition, 
> large, $20
>
>
> Patagonia Organic Cotton 4 button long sleeve, natural cotton color, good 
> condition, large, $20
>
>
> Patagonia Down Vest, green, good condition some paint on rear and light 
> staining, medium, $30
>
>
> Patagonia Baggies, both with liners cut out, orange medium, black small, 
> $15/each
>
>
> Bedrock Cairn sandals, gray, worn but good condition, size 12, $45
>
>  
>
> Red Wing Chukka boots, brown, crepe sole, used but lots of life left, size 
> 12, $40
>
>
> Dickies overalls, hickory stripe, 34x32 hemmed to ~28", good condition 
> sans missing rivet for strap (no idea where it went), $20
>
>
> PHOTOS 
> 
>
>
> Please respond off list, thanks :)
>
>
> jared and ari
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

2023-07-24 Thread Will M

Hi all.  Along lines of this thread, my 62cm orange Quickbeam is for sale 
on eBay right now 
.
  
Auction ends Sunday. Happy to do local pickup or ship.

--Will M
NYC


On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:41:59 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Looks like a brand new 55cm Platy frame.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:55:42 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> This appears to be an excellent deal. 51cm Appaloosa complete for $1,850
>>
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72490781
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>>
>>>  7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa,  47cm*
>>> Prototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette
>>> $3200
>>> Silverdale, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.html
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa frame set, 46cm*
>>> $1200
>>> blue
>>> Silverdale, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa, 54cm*
>>> $3400
>>> orange
>>> Central Point, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html
>>>
>>> *Ram, 54cm (or 56cm?)*
>>> $1900
>>> orange
>>> Central Point, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html
>>>
>>> *Susie/Wolbis XL frameset*
>>> $1775
>>> Eugene, OR
>>> lime-olive
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-xl-susie-wolbis/7636146396.html
>>>
>>> *Hubuhhubuh, small*
>>> $3700
>>> Sequim, WA
>>>
>>> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.html
>>>
>>> *Bleriot, 46cm*
>>> $1000
>>> Deer Park, WA (near Spokane)
>>>
>>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.html
>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Another All Rounder, beautiful and in my size - so tempting, but the 
 timing is not right. I was in touch with the owner who also has a 
 Bombadil, 
 very nice guy.

 2004 59cm Rivendell All-Rounder
 Curt Goodrich built frame USA
 Joe Bell paint
 26” wheels
 $3K
 SF, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-all-rounder/7642699971.html

 Max

 On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-13 at 8.38.46 AM.png]
>
> Rivendell All Rounder, 54cm 
> Waterford-built
> $3,000
> Sellwood Cycle. Portland, OR 
>
> https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-bikes/products/54cm-rivendell-all-arounder
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:
>
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.html
>>
>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.html
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Valerie,

 The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It 
 would have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or 
> was it a conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>>
>> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a 
>> fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see 
>> it. 
>>
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the 
>>> H came in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
>>> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on 
>>> the Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that 
>>> yet?”, 
>>> regarding my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve 
>>> been 
>>> thinking about selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and 
>>> measure 
>>> 64cm and are considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I 
>>> also 
>>> rode today. I should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly 
>>> shreds, 
>>> but I shouldn’t….)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday,

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

2023-07-24 Thread Johnny Alien

Looks like a brand new 55cm Platy frame.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:55:42 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> This appears to be an excellent deal. 51cm Appaloosa complete for $1,850
>
> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72490781
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>
>>  7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:
>>
>> *Appaloosa,  47cm*
>> Prototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette
>> $3200
>> Silverdale, WA
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.html
>>
>> *Appaloosa frame set, 46cm*
>> $1200
>> blue
>> Silverdale, WA
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html
>>
>> *Appaloosa, 54cm*
>> $3400
>> orange
>> Central Point, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html
>>
>> *Ram, 54cm (or 56cm?)*
>> $1900
>> orange
>> Central Point, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html
>>
>> *Susie/Wolbis XL frameset*
>> $1775
>> Eugene, OR
>> lime-olive
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-xl-susie-wolbis/7636146396.html
>>
>> *Hubuhhubuh, small*
>> $3700
>> Sequim, WA
>>
>> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.html
>>
>> *Bleriot, 46cm*
>> $1000
>> Deer Park, WA (near Spokane)
>>
>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.html
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Another All Rounder, beautiful and in my size - so tempting, but the 
>>> timing is not right. I was in touch with the owner who also has a Bombadil, 
>>> very nice guy.
>>>
>>> 2004 59cm Rivendell All-Rounder
>>> Curt Goodrich built frame USA
>>> Joe Bell paint
>>> 26” wheels
>>> $3K
>>> SF, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-all-rounder/7642699971.html
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-13 at 8.38.46 AM.png]

 Rivendell All Rounder, 54cm 
 Waterford-built
 $3,000
 Sellwood Cycle. Portland, OR 

 https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-bikes/products/54cm-rivendell-all-arounder

 On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:

>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.html
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.html
>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie,
>>>
>>> The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It would 
>>> have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
 Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was 
 it a conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.


 On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a 
> fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see 
> it. 
>
> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the 
>> H came in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
>> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on 
>> the Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that 
>> yet?”, 
>> regarding my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve 
>> been 
>> thinking about selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and 
>> measure 
>> 64cm and are considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I 
>> also 
>> rode today. I should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly 
>> shreds, 
>> but I shouldn’t….)
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr. H
>>> 64cm
>>> 2200
>>> Pleasanton, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

2023-07-24 Thread Garth

Even "if" you bored out the stem, or shaved the bar,  it would be a bad 
idea as the amount of alloy there is there for a very good reason., so 
neither break.  Just trying to jam it is just as bad as then you damage 
both trying, then you have to buy a new bar AND stem. Just do the right 
thing from the beginning and buy a another stem. 

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

2023-07-24 Thread Frank Brose

In a situation like this I either buy a different stem or buy a different 
bar. If it's visa versa with a 26 stem and a 25.4 bar you can use a shim 
but what you propose isn't meant to be.
Frank

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:05:02 PM UTC-5 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> how do you all make this happen? 
>
> i have only successfully done it once and the toll was high- huge and 
> noticeable cosmetic damage to the nitto dirt drop stem and to the sleeveish 
> clamp bar of nitto noodle bars.
>
> basically i wanna run a 25.4 technomic stem with some wide nitto drops, 
> without fudging up either too badly. i have noticed that while noodles have 
> a sleeve and crust bars in 26.0 have more of a ramp, does this make a 
> difference?  
>

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Re: [RBW] 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

2023-07-24 Thread Victor Hanson

Not that much.  The sleeve helps with installation on centering the bar.
More importantly - don't forget to use some manner of interface whether it
be Pedros carbon paste or lubriplate 105.

VTW

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 1:05 PM Chasen Smith 
wrote:

> how do you all make this happen?
>
> i have only successfully done it once and the toll was high- huge and
> noticeable cosmetic damage to the nitto dirt drop stem and to the sleeveish
> clamp bar of nitto noodle bars.
>
> basically i wanna run a 25.4 technomic stem with some wide nitto drops,
> without fudging up either too badly. i have noticed that while noodles have
> a sleeve and crust bars in 26.0 have more of a ramp, does this make a
> difference?
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[RBW] Re: 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

2023-07-24 Thread Anthony Coffin

I'm guessing the only safe way to do this is to change the size of the 
hole. Even if you can get the 26 bars on a 25.4 stem you end up 
compromising the integrity of both pieces, no?

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:05:02 PM UTC-5 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> how do you all make this happen? 
>
> i have only successfully done it once and the toll was high- huge and 
> noticeable cosmetic damage to the nitto dirt drop stem and to the sleeveish 
> clamp bar of nitto noodle bars.
>
> basically i wanna run a 25.4 technomic stem with some wide nitto drops, 
> without fudging up either too badly. i have noticed that while noodles have 
> a sleeve and crust bars in 26.0 have more of a ramp, does this make a 
> difference?  
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[RBW] Comfy aluminum frames?

2023-07-24 Thread alan lavine

Haven’t ridden aluminum in many years, it always beat me up. But technology 
improves and maybe there’s something new I don’t know about. So is “comfy 
aluminum “ an oxymoron or can it really exist? Interested in your thoughts 
and experiences,
Alan nyc

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Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-24 Thread Drw

Thanks for all the thoughts and feedback. It's unfortunate that there are 
so few non electric options these days, but helpful to know which older 
models to keep an eye out for. I did discover that Yuba has a version of 
the Kombi that isn't electric and about the same price as the Tern. Bike 
Friday would end up being at least 1000$ more, so I'm leaning toward the 
Yuba or Kombi. 

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:56:29 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> It amuses me that the difference in wheelbase length between my medium Big 
> Dummy and my medium Gus is only 9”. 
>
> On Jul 22, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You could look for an old Kona MinUte. Kind of a short cargo bike. There 
> was another model like this, but I can't remember what it was.
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:49 PM Drw  wrote:
>
> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
>
> 
>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>
>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
>> -Non electric
>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>> -Some front cargo capability
>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>
>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>> and 
>> the tern short haul D8 
>> . Both have 
>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about 
>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Drew
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[RBW] 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

2023-07-24 Thread Chasen Smith

how do you all make this happen? 

i have only successfully done it once and the toll was high- huge and 
noticeable cosmetic damage to the nitto dirt drop stem and to the sleeveish 
clamp bar of nitto noodle bars.

basically i wanna run a 25.4 technomic stem with some wide nitto drops, 
without fudging up either too badly. i have noticed that while noodles have 
a sleeve and crust bars in 26.0 have more of a ramp, does this make a 
difference?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feedback wanted on ordering from circles-jp.com in Japan

2023-07-24 Thread Kim H.

Hi Minh,

That's wonderful news that you and your girlfriend are going to Japan this
fall. I give you my best wishes for a truly delightful time.

Is your girlfriend into cycling or not ?

I'm scratching my head over a purchase of a pair of Honjo 65 flat fenders
for my Clem Smith Jr L bicycle for the fall and winter months.

Keep smiling always, especially when you are riding your bike,

Kim.


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> no problem kim!  we're  headed to Japan in the fall and i'm crossing my
> fingers that we'll be close enough to the store in nagoya that i can stop
> in but my girlfiend is less than impressed with the idea!
>
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 10:11:03 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> I thank-you very much, Minh.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 7:03 PM Minh  wrote:
>>
>>> ez-pz, shipping is costly but fair given distance and they are quick to
>>> ship.   FYI, they are closely related to sim.works so sometimes you can get
>>> the item from them--though usually a little bit more expensive, so figure
>>> out total cost shipped to compare.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:30:37 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I thank-you very much Mr. Ray for your comments and encouragement.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 9:35 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:

> Ordered from them in the past.  Zero problems.  Circles is an
> established online shop in Japan.  If the product/price is rightgo for
> it.
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:43:53 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
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>> I am considering ordering a bicycle accessory from Circles-jp.a web
>> store in Japan.
>>
>> https://shop.circles-jp.com/
>>
>> What are your thoughts and comments about your experiences ordering
>> from them; pros and cons.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feedback wanted on ordering from circles-jp.com in Japan

2023-07-24 Thread Minh

no problem kim!  we're  headed to Japan in the fall and i'm crossing my 
fingers that we'll be close enough to the store in nagoya that i can stop 
in but my girlfiend is less than impressed with the idea!


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> I thank-you very much, Minh.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 7:03 PM Minh  wrote:
>
>> ez-pz, shipping is costly but fair given distance and they are quick to 
>> ship.   FYI, they are closely related to sim.works so sometimes you can get 
>> the item from them--though usually a little bit more expensive, so figure 
>> out total cost shipped to compare.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:30:37 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I thank-you very much Mr. Ray for your comments and encouragement.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 9:35 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:
>>>
 Ordered from them in the past.  Zero problems.  Circles is an 
 established online shop in Japan.  If the product/price is rightgo for 
 it.

 On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:43:53 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
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> I am considering ordering a bicycle accessory from Circles-jp.a web 
> store in Japan. 
>
> https://shop.circles-jp.com/
>
> What are your thoughts and comments about your experiences ordering 
> from them; pros and cons.
>
> Thank-you.
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Re: [RBW] DIY Nitto rack hoop

2023-07-24 Thread JohnS

Thanks for sharing Jay! I'll have to remember that combination of daruma 
and p-clamps, very creative solution. Looks great to me.

JohnS

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:21:51 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:

> Jay, 
>
> Nice tombstone!  Not “kludgy” at all. Thanks for sharing 
>
> Dustin 
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 11:05 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> For those interested, here’s what I came up with. Bending an aluminum 
> rack stay with an improvised mandrel was easy. Two p-clamps and two daruma 
> fixtures rounded out the hardware, and the installation doesn’t even look 
> all that kludgy. Fits the leather pocket on my SaddleSack like a glove. 
> Pics attached, with bonus glimpses of my wife’s Cheviot in the background.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:02 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> One of the downsides of the Big Back Rack is that it doesn’t come with 
> the tombstone/backstop feature that hooks so nicely into the leather patch 
> designed for that purpose on my large SaddlesSack. I’m thinking of making 
> one myself using daruma fixtures and a rack stay bent to fit. Does anybody 
> have experience with this sort of fabrication? Can you get a nice radius 
> bend with a bench vise and a soup can, or do you need a tubing bender? 
> Alternatively — and this is a long shot — if anybody has an old or damaged 
> rack with this feature, I’d be interested in buying it and trying my hand 
> at a tombstone transplant.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

2023-07-24 Thread JohnS

The early 80's Sequoia was the sport/touring model, in the middle between 
the road race Allez and the full on touring Expedition. Not sure what color 
options were available. I use to own an 83 Expedition in gray/anthracite. 
My 82 Sequoia is dark blue. It's not a feather weight, nor is it a tank, 
weigh in at just over 23 pounds with pedals and two water bottle cages. 
Fully lugged Tange chrome-moly tubing, with long thinned lugs, it has nice 
neutral handling, mounts for fenders and a rear rack and room for 32mm 
tires (maybe 35).

JohnS

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that 
> Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride 
>> and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
>> particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
>> full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
>> water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
>> recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what 
>> your friend toured on?
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar 
>>> with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  
>>> It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I 
>>> thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom 
>>> bracket  shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  
>>> My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a 
>>> months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:

 Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or 
 thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias 
 to be sportingly light. 

 No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, 
 Turbo tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the 
 prototype, 
 which is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames 
 are 
 a joy to ride. 

 Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a 
 bit heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame 
 building forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. 
 If you look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down 
 tubes than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls 
 are 
 .1mm thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even 
 Reynolds now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the 
 main triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat 
 tube 
 were always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
 builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
 discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
 Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that 
 goes 
 the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
 down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
 is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
 that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
 feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
 "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is 
 the 
 "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
 and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
 effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one 
 and 
 he loves it.

 Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
 frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
 I loved the way it rode.

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA

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Jay, Nice tombstone! Not “kludgy” at all. Thanks for sharing Dustin On Jul 20, 2023, at 11:05 PM, Jay Lonner wrote:For those interested, here’s what I came up with. Bending an aluminum rack stay with an improvised mandrel was easy. Two p-clamps and two daruma fixtures rounded out the hardware, and the installation doesn’t even look all that kludgy. Fits the leather pocket on my SaddleSack like a glove. Pics attached, with bonus glimpses of my wife’s Cheviot in the background.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Jul 12, 2023, at 11:02 AM, Jay Lonner wrote:One of the downsides of the Big Back Rack is that it doesn’t come with the tombstone/backstop feature that hooks so nicely into the leather patch designed for that purpose on my large SaddlesSack. I’m thinking of making one myself using daruma fixtures and a rack stay bent to fit. Does anybody have experience with this sort of fabrication? Can you get a nice radius bend with a bench vise and a soup can, or do you need a tubing bender? Alternatively — and this is a long shot — if anybody has an old or damaged rack with this feature, I’d be interested in buying it and trying my hand at a tombstone transplant.Jay LonnerBellingham, WA

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[RBW] WTB - Nitto Tallux 5cm Reach - 26mm Clamp

2023-07-24 Thread Sean B.

Please let me know if you've got one to sell, thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Wesley

The two wrenches are to hold one nut still while turning the other, like 
when serving loose bearing hubs. Most (all?) threaded headsets use a keyed 
washer between the nuts to prevent one from turning the other, so there's 
no need for two wrenches. If you want to travel with a bike with threaded 
headset, it is worth using a sealed-bearing headset. For one, you can't 
lose some of the balls, and for another the preload adjustment is much less 
sensitive.

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> Haha. I haven't touched my Chris King threadless headset on my touring 
> bike for years. Getting all the play out took quite a bit of futzing so now 
> I avoid messing with it.   For a threaded headset I remember you need 2 
> wrenches. Just one more thing I don't want to deal with while I'm 
> jet-lagged and putting together the bike at a hotel under time pressure.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:55:40 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the 
>> case w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches 
>> that Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with 
>> everything. I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific, 
>> light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this 
>> application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do 
>>> on the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork 
>>> removal.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will 
 fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one! 

 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>
> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take 
> sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, 
> having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably 
> better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once 
> and 
> hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck 
> pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc 
> brakes 
> to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And 
> those squeal too just not as badly.
> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a 
> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only 
> had 
> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom 
> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more 
> than 
> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. 
> The higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal 
> strike no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but 
> a 
> reasonable compromise.
> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 
> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher 
> trails 
> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm 
> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike 
> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking 
> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the 
>> Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my 
>> downtube 
>> shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end 
>> shifters.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my 
>>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm 
>>> rear 
>>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm 
>>> wheels. 
>>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has 
>>> a 
>>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the 
>>> difference 
>>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many 
>>> years), 
>>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
>>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 
>>> 80 
>>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
>>> 28mm.
>>>
>>> That's

Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

2023-07-24 Thread Ryan Frahm

Looks like a great ride and time! I’m happy to hear the Gus is working out 
so well for you to complement the Clem!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds 
> like fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about. 
>
> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking 
>> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by 
>> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in 
>> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other 
>> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to 
>> our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill 
>> paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on 
>> arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's 
>> Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful 
>> meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday - 
>> choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I 
>> joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this 
>> gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful 
>> rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my 
>> favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice 
>> mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful 
>> blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are 
>> tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks 
>> had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer, 
>> frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog 
>> playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star 
>> filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann Arbor 
>> was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more 
>> spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got 
>> giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit 
>> loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles entering 
>> Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is 
>> really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my 
>> estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that awful 
>> team "up north".:)
>> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My mind 
>> was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the 
>> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills. 
>> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus 
>> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad 
>> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is 
>> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay 
>> bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is 
>> a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears 
>> when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy 
>> to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I 
>> may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
>> All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating. 
>> Link to pics to follow...
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

2023-07-24 Thread Ryan

I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that 
Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride 
> and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
> particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
> full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
> water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
> recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what 
> your friend toured on?
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar 
>> with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  
>> It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I 
>> thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom 
>> bracket  shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  
>> My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a 
>> months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>>>
>>> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or 
>>> thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias 
>>> to be sportingly light. 
>>>
>>> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
>>> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
>>> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
>>> to ride. 
>>>
>>> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
>>> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
>>> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
>>> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
>>> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
>>> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
>>> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
>>> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
>>> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
>>> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
>>> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
>>> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
>>> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
>>> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
>>> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
>>> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
>>> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
>>> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
>>> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
>>> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
>>> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
>>> he loves it.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
>>> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
>>> I loved the way it rode.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

2023-07-24 Thread Ryan

I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride and 
careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what your 
friend toured on?

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar with 
> was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  It wA 
> a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I thought it 
> was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom bracket  shallow 
> seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  My friend used his 
> for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a months-long, 
> dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>>
>> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof 
>> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be 
>> sportingly light. 
>>
>> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
>> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
>> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
>> to ride. 
>>
>> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
>> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
>> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
>> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
>> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
>> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
>> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
>> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
>> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
>> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
>> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
>> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
>> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
>> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
>> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
>> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
>> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
>> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
>> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
>> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
>> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
>> he loves it.
>>
>> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
>> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
>> I loved the way it rode.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Piaw Na

Haha. I haven't touched my Chris King threadless headset on my touring bike 
for years. Getting all the play out took quite a bit of futzing so now I 
avoid messing with it.   For a threaded headset I remember you need 2 
wrenches. Just one more thing I don't want to deal with while I'm 
jet-lagged and putting together the bike at a hotel under time pressure.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:55:40 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the 
> case w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches 
> that Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with 
> everything. I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific, 
> light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this 
> application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>
>> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do 
>> on the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork 
>> removal.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will 
>>> fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>>>
 Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:

 Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take 
 sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, 
 having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably 
 better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once 
 and 
 hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck 
 pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes 
 to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And 
 those squeal too just not as badly.
 Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a 
 friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only 
 had 
 one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom 
 Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than 
 35mm tires it's a great bike.
 Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. 
 The higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal 
 strike no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a 
 reasonable compromise.
 AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 
 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher 
 trails 
 than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm 
 rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike 
 handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking 
 (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the 
> Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube 
> shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end 
> shifters.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my 
>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm 
>> rear 
>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm 
>> wheels. 
>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the 
>> difference 
>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 
>> 80 
>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
>> 28mm.
>>
>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
>> consideration for me.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini 
>>> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" 
>>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
>>> category 
>>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and 
>>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Chasen Smith

Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the case
w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches that
Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with everything.
I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific,
light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this
application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do on
> the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork removal.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will
>> fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>>> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>>>
>>> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take
>>> sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes,
>>> having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably
>>> better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and
>>> hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck
>>> pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes
>>> to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And
>>> those squeal too just not as badly.
>>> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a
>>> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had
>>> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
>>> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
>>> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
>>> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
>>> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
>>> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
>>> reasonable compromise.
>>> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than
>>> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails
>>> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm
>>> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
>>> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
>>> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>>
 Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the
 Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube
 shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end
 shifters.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm 
> rear
> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm 
> wheels.
> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
> 28mm.
>
> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
> consideration for me.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
>> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
>> category
>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
>> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
>> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
>> when the day is done.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
>>> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying 
>>> them in
>>> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>>>
>>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread 藍俊彪

Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do on
the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork removal.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith 
wrote:

> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will fit
> in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>>
>> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull
>> calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having
>> experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now,
>> but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent
>> dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when
>> descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a
>> better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those
>> squeal too just not as badly.
>> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a
>> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had
>> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
>> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
>> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
>> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
>> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
>> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
>> reasonable compromise.
>> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than
>> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails
>> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm
>> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
>> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
>> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini
>>> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter
>>> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>>
 The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
 bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear
 wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels.
 Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
 but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
 but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
 fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
 or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
 28mm.

 That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
 difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
 consideration for me.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
> category
> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
> when the day is done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
>> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them 
>> in
>> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes
>> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
>> not
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort.
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a
>>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us
>>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Wesley

In my opinion, the most significant difference between a Roadini and a 
homer is that the Roadini is designed for drop bars (so has a shorter top 
tube) and the Homer is designed for upright swept-back bars.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
> done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for 
>> those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion 
>>> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
>>> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

2023-07-24 Thread J J

Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds like 
fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about. 

> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
> 
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking 
>> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by 
>> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in 
>> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other 
>> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to our 
>> host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill paced 
>> ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on arrival 
>> and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's Ford 
>> Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful meal/brew. 
>> Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday - choosing one 
>> of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I joined one other 
>> for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this gorgeous bike ride 
>> over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful rural countryside. 
>> We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my favorite section. The 
>> route passed through Chelsea for another nice mid-ride meal & the ride back 
>> to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful blue sky, rolling crop fields, 
>> cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are tough to beat. By the time we 
>> returned to camp another dozen or so folks had arrived who did not have time 
>> to do the full three days. Pizza, beer, frisbee (with Nate's cherished 
>> Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog playing & giant bonfire all happened. 
>> Another night under a clear, star filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday 
>> morning's ride back to Ann Arbor was a shorter (22 mike) route but still 
>> beautiful & at times a bit more spirited. Every single time I crested 
>> another gravel covered hill I got giddy as a child getting to descend on the 
>> Gus. The gravel could get a bit loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly 
>> noticed. The last few miles entering Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods 
>> was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is really a nice place to be on a bike. It is 
>> very bike friendly in my estimation. Very nice with the exception of it 
>> being the home of that awful team "up north".:)
>> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My mind 
>> was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the 
>> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills. 
>> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus 
>> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad 
>> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is 
>> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay 
>> bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is a 
>> heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears 
>> when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy 
>> to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I 
>> may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
>> All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating. Link 
>> to pics to follow...
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Ride report & Gus joy

2023-07-24 Thread Richard Rose

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking 
> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by 
> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in 
> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other 
> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to 
> our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill 
> paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on 
> arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's 
> Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful 
> meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday - 
> choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I 
> joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this 
> gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful 
> rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my 
> favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice 
> mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful 
> blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are 
> tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks 
> had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer, 
> frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog 
> playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star 
> filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann Arbor 
> was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more 
> spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got 
> giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit 
> loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles entering 
> Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is 
> really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my 
> estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that awful 
> team "up north".:)
> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My mind 
> was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the 
> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills. 
> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus 
> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad 
> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is 
> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay 
> bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is 
> a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears 
> when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy 
> to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I 
> may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
> All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating. 
> Link to pics to follow...
>
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[RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

2023-07-24 Thread Richard Rose

Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious two night bikepacking
adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by
invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in
Manchester". I drove from my home in Toledo to meet up with three other
riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to
our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill
paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on
arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's
Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful
meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday -
choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I
joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this
gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful
rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my
favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice
mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful
blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are
tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks
had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer,
frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog
playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star
filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann Arbor
was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more
spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got
giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit
loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles entering
Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is
really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my
estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that awful
team "up north".:)
I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My mind
was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the
smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills.
I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus
is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad
decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is
unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay
bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is
a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears
when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy
to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I
may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating. Link
to pics to follow...

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

2023-07-24 Thread iamkeith

Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar with 
was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  It wA 
a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I thought it 
was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom bracket  shallow 
seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  My friend used his 
for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a months-long, 
dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof 
> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be 
> sportingly light. 
>
> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
> to ride. 
>
> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
> he loves it.
>
> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
> I loved the way it rode.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Chasen Smith

Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will fit
in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>
> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull
> calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having
> experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now,
> but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent
> dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when
> descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a
> better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those
> squeal too just not as badly.
> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a friend
> who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had one
> demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
> reasonable compromise.
> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 30mm.
> The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails than
> the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm rear
> wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini
>> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter
>> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
>>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear
>>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels.
>>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
>>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
>>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
>>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
>>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
>>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>>>
>>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
>>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
>>> consideration for me.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>>
 Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
 over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
 offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category
 at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
 Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
 modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
 road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
 when the day is done.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them 
> in
> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>
> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes
> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
> not
> koolaide but a practical   comfort.
>
> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a
>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us
>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>
>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't
>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems
>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Piaw Na

Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:

Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull 
calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having 
experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now, 
but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent 
dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when 
descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a 
better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those 
squeal too just not as badly.
Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a friend 
who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had one 
demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom 
Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than 
35mm tires it's a great bike.
Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The 
higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike 
no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a 
reasonable compromise.
AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than 30mm. 
The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails than 
the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm rear 
wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike 
handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking 
(though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini 
> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter 
> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
>> box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>>
>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
>> consideration for me.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini 
>>> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" 
>>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category 
>>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and 
>>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a 
>>> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a 
>>> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike 
>>> when the day is done.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
 have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
 have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 

 I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes 
 for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
 not 
 koolaide but a practical   comfort. 

 Glad your aluminum bike works for you.

 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:

> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a 
> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us 
> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>
> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>
> Nick Payne
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[RBW] Re: Thinking about Roadini

2023-07-24 Thread Chris Fly

This, for me, is a great wrap-up.. had a couple Rivs, have my Dad's AHH now 
that I will never part with.. as much as I love the marketing and look of a 
Roadini, just not sure it's the right bike for what it appears to be.. they 
do look great though! 

Chris 

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:44:32 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I'm going to share my opinion on this but it is just thatmy opinion. 
> With that caveat in mind here is how I arrived at the conclusion not to buy 
> a Roadini. My first Rivendell, a Sam Hillborne, is now my only Riv in the 
> current stable. This is my absolute favorite bike in the world. I have done 
> so much on this bike that it is now part of my life story. It was my first 
> entry into the "Just Ride" mentality. It broke me out of the mold and 
> allowed me to experience the joy of being an Unracer. I've configured it 
> multiple ways. I've camped with it, I've climbed some of the toughest 
> mountain in Vermont with it, I've explored some of the best gravel roads 
> the Northeast has to offer. It has done everything well and has never let 
> me down. However, in my experience the one thing the Sam does not do well 
> is to hang with the fast guys on my weekend group ride. The bike is simply 
> not optimized for that. All of that said, I have never loved a bike. more 
> then I love my Sam Hillborne. I will never part with it. 
>
> When I first saw the photos of the Sergio's green Roadini Riv's marketing 
> strategy worked exactly as it was designed to do. Convince me that I needed 
> to have one. I have other bikes that do not fit the Rivendell ethos. I have 
> a carbon fiber road bike with carbon wheels, hydraulic disc brakes and 
> electronic shifting. The antithesis of what Riv promotes. Yet this bike 
> still has its purpose that suits my riding needs/desires.  If I want to go 
> ride with my fellow middle age men in Lycra on a weekend go fast ride I'm 
> going to take the carbon bike. I want this bike in my stable but there is 
> no soulful connection to this carbon machine.  Nothing like my love for the 
> Sam.  
>
> The Roadini was going to scratch an itch that I had to build up a classic 
> steel frame with rim brakes and mechanical brifters. I wanted Campagnolo 
> parts because I've never owned a bike with Campy. The vision I had for the 
> Roadini was to take it on my weekend group ride with my fellow MAMIL 
> friends. Sure I could have done this on a Roadini but I question if I would 
> have been happy with it.  I had doubts that the geometry would be too 
> upright and the chainstays too long. I simply had a hunch that a Roadini 
> would not meet my expectation of having the snappy road feel that I look 
> for in a bike like this. I was afraid it would feel dull and sluggish. 
>
> Everyone's needs will be different. I've had a Appaloosa and a Clem H. 
> Regret selling the Appaloosa all the time but don't regret letting going of 
> the Clem H. 
>
> A Roadini would be a great bike for someone under the right circumstances. 
> Compared to anything that Surly makes I'd say it would be a marked 
> improvement. 
>
> As for me I ultimately bought a used steel Serotta frame in mint condition 
> that I will build up with Campy parts. I will scratch the itch that I had 
> for a classic rim brake road bike with mechanical shifting but this time it 
> won't be another Riv. 
>
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:03:15 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Have you considered anything from Crust? I too am interested in a Roadini 
>> (Although I dont plan to get one since I just built a Sam and have a 
>> Waterford) but I wonder if the Riv philosophy and tubing really is the best 
>> choice for a light feeling road bike. Mostly I'm refrrring to the tubing.
>>
>> My Sam is probably my favorite bike I've owned.
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:40 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>>
>>> Intrigued by the Roadini release tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Current stable is 61cm Cheviot for commutes, groceries- my 
>>>favorite ride.
>>>- I have.a relatively new 58 Surly Straggler that I am using as my 
>>>road bike.
>>>- Has always felt a bit aggressive. Get a little sore and numb after 
>>>a while.
>>>- 90% of my riding is on flat, SC Lowcountry roads- 10-20 miles at a 
>>>clip.
>>>- 55 years old. PBH=89, 6' 175#
>>>
>>>
>>> Question is whether I will notice a large comfort difference in Roadini 
>>> compared to current Straggler.
>>>
>>> Wish I could do a test ride.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

2023-07-24 Thread Patrick Moore

And: I had Chauncey Matthews use a replaceable hanger when he built the
replacement for the Fargo.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the rd:
> the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no
> single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to
> unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of
> course, YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes.
>>
>> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to
>> try and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop
>> out saver from Wheels Mfg.
>>
>> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta call
>> Will when Riv opens!
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend.
>>> Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a
 beautiful bike.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Brian and Danny!
>
> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The
> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still 
> have
> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll
> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even
>> in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>>
>>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s
>>> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;)
>>>
>>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>
 Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike
 stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.

 I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your
 story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually
 work?!?"

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no!
>
> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow.
>
> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Yikes, that looks like a mess!
>>
>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m
>>> sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
>>> you’ve
>>> made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
>>> went
>>> through a far more severe crash.
>>>
>>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that
>>> actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger 
>>> can be
>>> fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame 
>>> builder might
>>> be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
>>> replaceable
>>> hangers at some point along the line.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of
 the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn 
 out to
 be worth it?

 Dustin in VA

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth 
 wrote:

 
 Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a
 picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
 culvert,
 hidden with

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Piaw Na

Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini 
does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter 
on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
> box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>
> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
> consideration for me.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
>> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
>> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
>> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
>> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
>> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
>> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
>> done.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>>
>>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes 
>>> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>>
>>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

 Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a 
 companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us 
 "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

 I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
 think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
 to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.

 Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

2023-07-24 Thread Patrick Moore

FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the rd:
the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no
single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to
unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of
course, YMMV.



On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes.
>
> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to try
> and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop out
> saver from Wheels Mfg.
>
> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta call
> Will when Riv opens!
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend.
>> Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a
>>> beautiful bike.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Brian and Danny!

 I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The
 limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have
 many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll
 leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:

> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even
> in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>
>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s
>> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;)
>>
>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike
>>> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>>
>>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your
>>> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually
>>> work?!?"
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dustin: To answer your question, hell no!

 Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow.

 Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Yikes, that looks like a mess!
>
> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>
> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>
> jared
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m
>> sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
>> you’ve
>> made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
>> went
>> through a far more severe crash.
>>
>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that
>> actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger 
>> can be
>> fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame 
>> builder might
>> be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
>> replaceable
>> hangers at some point along the line.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of
>>> the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn 
>>> out to
>>> be worth it?
>>>
>>> Dustin in VA
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a
>>> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
>>> culvert,
>>> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
>>> fine!
>>>
>>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had
>>> rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I 
>>> spun the
>>> crank while off the bike and

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Piaw Na

The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.

That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
consideration for me.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
> done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for 
>> those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion 
>>> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
>>> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Dura Ace Bar Ends Shifters & Pods, 41cm Noodles

2023-07-24 Thread Sean Steinle

shifters sold! Bars still available. 

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:25:52 PM UTC-5 Sean Steinle wrote:

> Pics might help :) 
>
> https://imgur.com/a/9bzJoWm
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:25:07 PM UTC-5 Sean Steinle wrote:
>
>> Noodles had cotton bar tape with shellac so plenty of residue and the 
>> shimano pods have shellac and some scuffs. Nothing has anything beyond 
>> cosmetic wear. Fee-free payment (plenty of history here and i-BOB) shipped 
>> CONUS.
>>
>> Noodles - $40 
>> Dura Ace Bar Ends (SL-BS77 8s/9s) - $65
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean in Kansas
>>
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

2023-07-24 Thread Eric Marth

Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes. 

I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to try 
and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop out 
saver from Wheels Mfg. 

If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta call 
Will when Riv opens!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend. 
> Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a 
>> beautiful bike.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>>>
>>> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The 
>>> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have 
>>> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll 
>>> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>>
 Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
 its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!

 -Danny


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>
> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>
> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
>> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>
>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
>> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
>> work?!?"
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>>>
>>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>>>
>>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 Yikes, that looks like a mess! 

 Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.

 Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.

 jared

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m 
> sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
> you’ve 
> made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
> went 
> through a far more severe crash.
>
> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that 
> actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can 
> be 
> fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder 
> might 
> be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
> replaceable 
> hangers at some point along the line.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of 
>> the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn 
>> out to 
>> be worth it?  
>>
>> Dustin in VA
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
>> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
>> culvert, 
>> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
>> fine! 
>>
>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had 
>> rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I 
>> spun the 
>> crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd 
>> give 
>> it a go as a single speed. 
>>
>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at 
>> that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending 
>> into the 
>> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if

[RBW] Re: Thinking about Roadini

2023-07-24 Thread Tim Bantham

I'm going to share my opinion on this but it is just thatmy opinion. 
With that caveat in mind here is how I arrived at the conclusion not to buy 
a Roadini. My first Rivendell, a Sam Hillborne, is now my only Riv in the 
current stable. This is my absolute favorite bike in the world. I have done 
so much on this bike that it is now part of my life story. It was my first 
entry into the "Just Ride" mentality. It broke me out of the mold and 
allowed me to experience the joy of being an Unracer. I've configured it 
multiple ways. I've camped with it, I've climbed some of the toughest 
mountain in Vermont with it, I've explored some of the best gravel roads 
the Northeast has to offer. It has done everything well and has never let 
me down. However, in my experience the one thing the Sam does not do well 
is to hang with the fast guys on my weekend group ride. The bike is simply 
not optimized for that. All of that said, I have never loved a bike. more 
then I love my Sam Hillborne. I will never part with it. 

When I first saw the photos of the Sergio's green Roadini Riv's marketing 
strategy worked exactly as it was designed to do. Convince me that I needed 
to have one. I have other bikes that do not fit the Rivendell ethos. I have 
a carbon fiber road bike with carbon wheels, hydraulic disc brakes and 
electronic shifting. The antithesis of what Riv promotes. Yet this bike 
still has its purpose that suits my riding needs/desires.  If I want to go 
ride with my fellow middle age men in Lycra on a weekend go fast ride I'm 
going to take the carbon bike. I want this bike in my stable but there is 
no soulful connection to this carbon machine.  Nothing like my love for the 
Sam.  

The Roadini was going to scratch an itch that I had to build up a classic 
steel frame with rim brakes and mechanical brifters. I wanted Campagnolo 
parts because I've never owned a bike with Campy. The vision I had for the 
Roadini was to take it on my weekend group ride with my fellow MAMIL 
friends. Sure I could have done this on a Roadini but I question if I would 
have been happy with it.  I had doubts that the geometry would be too 
upright and the chainstays too long. I simply had a hunch that a Roadini 
would not meet my expectation of having the snappy road feel that I look 
for in a bike like this. I was afraid it would feel dull and sluggish. 

Everyone's needs will be different. I've had a Appaloosa and a Clem H. 
Regret selling the Appaloosa all the time but don't regret letting going of 
the Clem H. 

A Roadini would be a great bike for someone under the right circumstances. 
Compared to anything that Surly makes I'd say it would be a marked 
improvement. 

As for me I ultimately bought a used steel Serotta frame in mint condition 
that I will build up with Campy parts. I will scratch the itch that I had 
for a classic rim brake road bike with mechanical shifting but this time it 
won't be another Riv. 

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:03:15 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Have you considered anything from Crust? I too am interested in a Roadini 
> (Although I dont plan to get one since I just built a Sam and have a 
> Waterford) but I wonder if the Riv philosophy and tubing really is the best 
> choice for a light feeling road bike. Mostly I'm refrrring to the tubing.
>
> My Sam is probably my favorite bike I've owned.
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:40 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Intrigued by the Roadini release tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>- Current stable is 61cm Cheviot for commutes, groceries- my favorite 
>>ride.
>>- I have.a relatively new 58 Surly Straggler that I am using as my 
>>road bike.
>>- Has always felt a bit aggressive. Get a little sore and numb after 
>>a while.
>>- 90% of my riding is on flat, SC Lowcountry roads- 10-20 miles at a 
>>clip.
>>- 55 years old. PBH=89, 6' 175#
>>
>>
>> Question is whether I will notice a large comfort difference in Roadini 
>> compared to current Straggler.
>>
>> Wish I could do a test ride.
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Davey Two Shoes

Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over a 
Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. With 
the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
done.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>
> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for 
> those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>
> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion 
>> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
>> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>
>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem is mine!

2023-07-24 Thread Davey Two Shoes

I was unsure about this color when I ordered my Sam, but its fantastic. It 
gets looks from the lycra crowd and the commuter crowd alike. I've had many 
nice bikes of different aesthetics over the years and this is the only one 
that has literally prompted a child to stop, stare and go "woaaa nice 
bike!" Honestly, that was the coolest compliment I've ever gotten about 
pretty much anything lol.

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 8:44:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> What a great post, Gina! Didn’t Riv just nail the lime color on that Clem? 
> It is gorgeous. Also, I so wish the Platy came one size smaller but I am so 
> happy that you found a Clem to fit you. I have both models and they are 
> wonderful bikes. The more you ride it, the more it feels like an extension 
> of your body. And it is so comfortable that it will ruin any other bike you 
> might ride. You will only want to ride your Clem, from now on! 
>
> It is really fun to customize a Clem. I like all the spice you added to 
> yours. I have splashes of color on my blue Clem and I think it is so fun. 
> Clems are unassuming and easygoing characters; you can do whatever you like 
> to them and the look will be right.
>
> Welcome to the club and I hope you’ll post here often!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 2:41:43 PM UTC-5 Gina wrote:
>
>> Hello, all!
>> After a few years lurking here and searching for a Riv, I have finally 
>> got my hands on a lime olive Clem L. I originally wanted a Platypus but, 
>> alas, the smallest frame is too large but I am thrilled with Clem.
>>
>> I had Jimmy of Fabrica de Rosas build up my bike and am so happy with how 
>> it turned out. At just about 5'1", I have never had a bike fit me until now 
>> and I can say that riding a bike that fits is an absolute pleasure!! 
>> Gina
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-06-29 at 12.33.57 PM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB SURLY MOLOKO

2023-07-24 Thread Davey Two Shoes

Just gonna bump this

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:09:24 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> DM sent
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 10:07 AM Davey Two Shoes  
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have one of these laying around? Would love to clear it out 
>> of your parts bin for you!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave
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[RBW] Re: Thinking about Roadini

2023-07-24 Thread Davey Two Shoes

Have you considered anything from Crust? I too am interested in a Roadini 
(Although I dont plan to get one since I just built a Sam and have a 
Waterford) but I wonder if the Riv philosophy and tubing really is the best 
choice for a light feeling road bike. Mostly I'm refrrring to the tubing.

My Sam is probably my favorite bike I've owned.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:40 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Intrigued by the Roadini release tomorrow.
>
>
>- Current stable is 61cm Cheviot for commutes, groceries- my favorite 
>ride.
>- I have.a relatively new 58 Surly Straggler that I am using as my 
>road bike.
>- Has always felt a bit aggressive. Get a little sore and numb after a 
>while.
>- 90% of my riding is on flat, SC Lowcountry roads- 10-20 miles at a 
>clip.
>- 55 years old. PBH=89, 6' 175#
>
>
> Question is whether I will notice a large comfort difference in Roadini 
> compared to current Straggler.
>
> Wish I could do a test ride.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread J S

For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells
have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and
have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.

I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes for
those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not
koolaide but a practical   comfort.

Glad your aluminum bike works for you.



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> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion
> to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've
> drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>
> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't think
> they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems to be
> looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

2023-07-24 Thread JohnS

Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend. 
Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.

JohnS


On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a beautiful 
> bike.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>>
>> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The 
>> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have 
>> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll 
>> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
>>> its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.

 Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
 hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 

 The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>
> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
> work?!?"
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>>
>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>>
>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>>
>>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m 
 sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
 you’ve 
 made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
 went 
 through a far more severe crash.

 I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
 sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed 
 with 
 minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be 
 needed 
 here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers 
 at 
 some point along the line.


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to 
> be 
> worth it?  
>
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> 
> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
> culvert, 
> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
> fine! 
>
> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had 
> rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I 
> spun the 
> crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd 
> give 
> it a go as a single speed. 
>
> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at 
> that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending 
> into the 
> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>
> 
>
>
> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger 
> can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a 
> frame 
> builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
> picked 
> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>
> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

2023-07-24 Thread Josh C

Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a beautiful 
bike.

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>
> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The limit 
> screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have many 
> good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll leave 
> it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
>> its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>>
>>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s hanger. 
>>> I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>>>
>>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>
 Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
 stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.

 I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
 story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
 work?!?"

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>
> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>
> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>
>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry 
>>> to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve 
>>> made, 
>>> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went 
>>> through 
>>> a far more severe crash.
>>>
>>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
>>> sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed 
>>> with 
>>> minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be 
>>> needed 
>>> here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at 
>>> some point along the line.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
 pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to 
 be 
 worth it?  

 Dustin in VA

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
 picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, 
 hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
 fine! 

 When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the 
 crank 
 while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it 
 a go 
 as a single speed. 

 I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at 
 that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into 
 the 
 spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!

 This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger 
 can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a 
 frame 
 builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
 (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
 previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
 picked 
 up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 

 While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they 
 could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I 
 replied "I 
 need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"

 Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 

 Eric

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-24 Thread Nick Payne

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion to 
his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't think 
they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems to be 
looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.

Nick Payne

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