[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I honestly don't think I've ever "soap and watered" any of my bikes. I do wipe off the mud or dirt/dust after it dries but that's about it. I think I read a remark from Jackie Phelan (anybody read Frazz today?) or Charlie Cunnigham or someone similar who basically said..why wipe off the muck, it keeps the grease in. At least I think I read that and I'm sticking with it http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/5599879688/ Rob "will wipe this off tomorrow" Markwardt On Apr 7, 9:55 pm, "Kelly Sleeper" wrote: > I don't mind using wipes to clean up the frame now and again.. I just hate > cleaning the wheels.. just tedious.. > > > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of palin...@his.com > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:41 PM > To: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.cpesom; Eric Norris > Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction > > Quoting Eric Norris : > > > I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in > > a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with > > whatever issues I have ... > > > That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to > > keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get > > really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. > > And once it's clean, /that/ is the time to take pictures. Not before you > clean it up. Not when it's dirty. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I don't mind using wipes to clean up the frame now and again.. I just hate cleaning the wheels.. just tedious.. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of palin...@his.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:41 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.cpesom; Eric Norris Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction Quoting Eric Norris : > I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in > a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with > whatever issues I have ... > > That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to > keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get > really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. And once it's clean, /that/ is the time to take pictures. Not before you clean it up. Not when it's dirty. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
That is the Legolas group, and only the newest two pictures, and two bags, are my bike. On Apr 7, 6:42 pm, "Bill M." wrote: > Five pictures of the Legolas, five different saddle bags! Forget about > cleaning, when do you find time to organize your bag collection? :) > > On Apr 7, 2:13 pm, Mojo wrote: > > > > > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > > > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > > > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > > > dry climate... > > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > > to clean my bikes. But they still look like > > thishttp://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > > as on my ride today 7April. > > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > > But thats a different topic.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Five pictures of the Legolas, five different saddle bags! Forget about cleaning, when do you find time to organize your bag collection? :) On Apr 7, 2:13 pm, Mojo wrote: > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > > dry climate... > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > to clean my bikes. But they still look like > thishttp://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > as on my ride today 7April. > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > But thats a different topic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I stopped paying attention at 'metaphysically' and slipped into a coma at 'pulchritudinem'. Next time talk into my good ear. On Apr 7, 3:56 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > It is metaphysically (literally) impossible for something to be kludgy > in the sense of badly designed and to be at the same time and in the > same respect beautiful, since beauty implies order and harmony among > the parts -- ie, that is part of what it is to be beautiful, at least > in composite things. Ens et bonum et unum et pulchritudinem sunt unum > in re. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, William wrote: > > What if something is both beautiful and kludgy? Is it beauludgy? > > Barf > > > On Apr 7, 10:34 am, CycloFiend wrote: > >> on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > >> > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't > >> > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though > >> > riding has no quarrel with looks. > > >> > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > >> > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > >> > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > >> > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > >> > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > >> > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. > > >> The other thing that happens is that when I actually wrangle my sloth and > >> clean the bike, I end up wanting to document that. So, I end up with > >> images > >> from the squeaky clean end o' the spectrum. A place just north of > >> Brigadoon. > > >> Dirty bikes. Clean drivetrains. > > >> Each bicycle increases exponentially the possibility that none of them will > >> work properly. > > >> - J > > >> -- > >> Jim Edgar > >> cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I know, I was just kidding -- I can clean a bike in about five minutes, with soap and hose (chain and lubing take a bit longer). I too clean mine after being caught in a shower, but that is rather rare out here. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Mojo wrote: > >> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom >> floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners >> spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a >> dry climate... > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > to clean my bikes. But they still look like this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > as on my ride today 7April. > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > But thats a different topic. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
It is metaphysically (literally) impossible for something to be kludgy in the sense of badly designed and to be at the same time and in the same respect beautiful, since beauty implies order and harmony among the parts -- ie, that is part of what it is to be beautiful, at least in composite things. Ens et bonum et unum et pulchritudinem sunt unum in re. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, William wrote: > What if something is both beautiful and kludgy? Is it beauludgy? > Barf > > On Apr 7, 10:34 am, CycloFiend wrote: >> on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for >> > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't >> > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though >> > riding has no quarrel with looks. >> >> > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom >> > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners >> > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a >> > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very >> > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy >> > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. >> >> The other thing that happens is that when I actually wrangle my sloth and >> clean the bike, I end up wanting to document that. So, I end up with images >> from the squeaky clean end o' the spectrum. A place just north of >> Brigadoon. >> >> Dirty bikes. Clean drivetrains. >> >> Each bicycle increases exponentially the possibility that none of them will >> work properly. >> >> - J >> >> -- >> Jim Edgar >> cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
One morning I got to Riv HQ ten minutes before they openned. There was Mark, Vaughn, Mile and Robert, sharing the two workstands moved out to the tarmac and one huge bucket and going at their filthy 'crossers with brushes. It was very zen, like that opening to Sunday in Hell. They were doing their little process with automatic precision. It was not their first time to the rodeo. When they were done, they leaned their bikes in their labelled parking spots and right at 9AM were saying "Good morning, Bill. Whatcha need?" On Apr 7, 2:36 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone > that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have > ... > > That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a > bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get really dirty, a > process that takes 15-20 minutes. After a ride on a dry day, I'll use a > little detailing spray and a soft cloth on the tubes and call it good. The > key for me is to not let the dirt accumulate to the point where you're > dealing with caked on grease and grime. > > --Eric N > Sent from the iPad 2 > > On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Mojo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > >> floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > >> spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > >> dry climate... > > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > > to clean my bikes. But they still look like this > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > > as on my ride today 7April. > > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > > But thats a different topic. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Quoting Eric Norris : I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have ... That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. And once it's clean, /that/ is the time to take pictures. Not before you clean it up. Not when it's dirty. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have ... That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. After a ride on a dry day, I'll use a little detailing spray and a soft cloth on the tubes and call it good. The key for me is to not let the dirt accumulate to the point where you're dealing with caked on grease and grime. --Eric N Sent from the iPad 2 On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Mojo wrote: > >> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom >> floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners >> spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a >> dry climate... > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > to clean my bikes. But they still look like this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > as on my ride today 7April. > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > But thats a different topic. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Love the copper Legolas! Next color choice I have on a bike, I must consider copper. On Apr 7, 2:13 pm, Mojo wrote: > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > > dry climate... > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > to clean my bikes. But they still look like > thishttp://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > as on my ride today 7April. > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > But thats a different topic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > dry climate... Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need to clean my bikes. But they still look like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas as on my ride today 7April. Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. But thats a different topic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
What the Bleriot has been known to look like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/2134762170/ After THAT ride, it took a fair amount of fortitude to clean it up... On Apr 6, 3:31 pm, Frank Quan wrote: > After reading Grant's article, I feel better about myself. I was > feeling little guilty after visiting website after website with > pictures of clean shiny bikes with Carradice bags, Nitto racks, Honjo > fenders, etc. My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on > them. Two of my three bikes (not my Rivendell) have mismatched tires > or wheels. And I don't even want to mention the torn bar tape. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
My Atlantis only gets cleaned a few times a year, usually after a tour as part of the re-assembly process. It looks so nice all shiny'n'spiffy, before I start hanging racks'n'packs back on, I keep telling myself "gotta take a good picture for cyclofiend's Atlantis site". Been working on that for a few years now; I may get it together some day. dougP On Apr 7, 8:53 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though > riding has no quarrel with looks. > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
What if something is both beautiful and kludgy? Is it beauludgy? Barf On Apr 7, 10:34 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't > > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though > > riding has no quarrel with looks. > > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. > > The other thing that happens is that when I actually wrangle my sloth and > clean the bike, I end up wanting to document that. So, I end up with images > from the squeaky clean end o' the spectrum. A place just north of > Brigadoon. > > Dirty bikes. Clean drivetrains. > > Each bicycle increases exponentially the possibility that none of them will > work properly. > > - J > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote: > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though > riding has no quarrel with looks. > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. The other thing that happens is that when I actually wrangle my sloth and clean the bike, I end up wanting to document that. So, I end up with images from the squeaky clean end o' the spectrum. A place just north of Brigadoon. Dirty bikes. Clean drivetrains. Each bicycle increases exponentially the possibility that none of them will work properly. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I confess to admiring some of the purty show bikes from NAHBS, regularly visit the current classics section on cyclofiend's site, and admire the looks of my Rivs quite a bit, but I just don't have it in me to keep my bikes presentation-quality. Last time I tried to get the Atlantis seriously clean, my five-year old released our golden retrievers, and in the resulting melee my rear derailer hanger got bent. I took that as a sign, and washed the dogs instead. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
On Apr 7, 11:53 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Now I do live in a > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. I live in a wetter climate and ride GB tires, so less time fixing flats. ;-) washing is bike inspection time, like the cracked TA crank arm or the nearly worn thru straddle cable. How to quickly wash your bike. http://www.belgiumkneewarmers.com/2008/10/the-art-of-the-bike-wash.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though riding has no quarrel with looks. I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy fixing flats to clean them more often than that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
On Apr 7, 4:43 am, scott wrote: > "My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on > them. Uh-oh. Are they being ridden enough? ..::grin::.. Most of my beausage happens when I grow attached to a particular component or accessory on my bike and I take measures to repair it so it will last a bit longer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/4537083634/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/4537083062/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/3395455232/ Other times it happens because I've effected a decidedly homemade/ funky solution to a particular problem (like this improvised bashguard for my rear generator light): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5374286904/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5593507733/ The rest is simply from the natural wear and tear of daily riding. On the rare days when I am able to simply sit for a few minutes and just stare at my bike -- you know those days, right? -- I can see the wear marks in the paint job and note where the cable housing rubs, or where my U-lock has nicked the paint too many times. That kind of beausage is my favorite kind because it tells how much I've ridden. Since switching from my Longlow to my All-Rounder as my daily city bike, the wear-and-tear factor has grown on the latter in a way that makes me smile. Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
"My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on them. Two of my three bikes (not my Rivendell) have mismatched tires or wheels. And I don't even want to mention the torn bar tape. " All bikes should look this way! A lubed chain keeps a bike happy, the rest is vanity. Oops, did I say that out loud? On Apr 6, 5:31 pm, Frank Quan wrote: > After reading Grant's article, I feel better about myself. I was > feeling little guilty after visiting website after website with > pictures of clean shiny bikes with Carradice bags, Nitto racks, Honjo > fenders, etc. My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on > them. Two of my three bikes (not my Rivendell) have mismatched tires > or wheels. And I don't even want to mention the torn bar tape. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
After reading Grant's article, I feel better about myself. I was feeling little guilty after visiting website after website with pictures of clean shiny bikes with Carradice bags, Nitto racks, Honjo fenders, etc. My bikes always have, at a minimum, a layer of dust on them. Two of my three bikes (not my Rivendell) have mismatched tires or wheels. And I don't even want to mention the torn bar tape. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I wouldn't read too much in to it. Regardless of the circumstances at
the time of the post, the message (or my interpretation is) that while
perhaps not the sexiest and definitely not carbon, we make some well
thought out and good sh*t for those who care about these things. (most
if not all on this list)
On Apr 7, 12:01 am, charlie wrote:
> Well G you seem to be one cool dude regardless so my hat goes off to
> you..when are the Simple Ones going to show on the website ?
>
> On Apr 6, 12:49 pm, grant wrote:
>
> > Well, the only thing that should've thrown anybody was the last line
> > or two...the rest...easy. Still, it was written at 3am.
> > The "take-home" content is "Normal Jean."
> > G
>
> > On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > > An unusually incoherent post from Grant,
> > > here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346
>
> > > I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap
> > > Bourbon to enlarge the effect).
>
> > > But: worth reading: the message is good if not always clear: priddy is
> > > good but don't get carried away.
>
> > > Two excerpts:
>
> > > A bag that weighs more empty than the contents it carries is quite a
> > > bag. A rack that shows off its beauty and never covers itself with a
> > > bag or basket is quite a rack. A bike and every part on it should
> > > ("shoulds" are OK now and then, no matter what they told you in the
> > > late '70s) serve a function. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do it
> > > nicely, or artifully, or even beautifully. I would say the best (value
> > > judgement time!) do that, and 'm not the arbiter of taste, but I'm all
> > > for it beaunction. I want to coin b-words.
>
> > > A bike should look only so fancy. There's a line. It's easy to cross
> > > it. Bikes that win awards at bike shows often cross my personal line,
> > > but not the lines of the judges. It's kind of a Normal Jean or Marilyn
> > > Monroe? thing. I meant Norma, but normal works. I believe more in
> > > muscle memory than in the subconscious. The one that's easier to prove
> > > gets my vote.
> > > --
> > > Patrick Moore
> > > Albuquerque, NM
> > > For professional resumes, contact
> > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com
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[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Well G you seem to be one cool dude regardless so my hat goes off to
you..when are the Simple Ones going to show on the website ?
On Apr 6, 12:49 pm, grant wrote:
> Well, the only thing that should've thrown anybody was the last line
> or two...the rest...easy. Still, it was written at 3am.
> The "take-home" content is "Normal Jean."
> G
>
> On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > An unusually incoherent post from Grant,
> > here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346
>
> > I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap
> > Bourbon to enlarge the effect).
>
> > But: worth reading: the message is good if not always clear: priddy is
> > good but don't get carried away.
>
> > Two excerpts:
>
> > A bag that weighs more empty than the contents it carries is quite a
> > bag. A rack that shows off its beauty and never covers itself with a
> > bag or basket is quite a rack. A bike and every part on it should
> > ("shoulds" are OK now and then, no matter what they told you in the
> > late '70s) serve a function. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do it
> > nicely, or artifully, or even beautifully. I would say the best (value
> > judgement time!) do that, and 'm not the arbiter of taste, but I'm all
> > for it beaunction. I want to coin b-words.
>
> > A bike should look only so fancy. There's a line. It's easy to cross
> > it. Bikes that win awards at bike shows often cross my personal line,
> > but not the lines of the judges. It's kind of a Normal Jean or Marilyn
> > Monroe? thing. I meant Norma, but normal works. I believe more in
> > muscle memory than in the subconscious. The one that's easier to prove
> > gets my vote.
> > --
> > Patrick Moore
> > Albuquerque, NM
> > For professional resumes, contact
> > Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com
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[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Beautility is where it's at. Beaunction is a pretty kludgy term. On Apr 6, 10:46 pm, Philip Williamson wrote: > I thought it was coherent and flowy - should I be worried? It's true, > though, that I have been trying to add commas, clauses and > parenthetical comments back into my own writing since I read it, so > maybe I should. > > Philip > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com > > On Apr 6, 12:26 pm, Beth H wrote: > > > I'd say shockingly incoherent, even with sleep deprivation. I had to > > read it twice to be clear on what was being conveyed. Wow. > > > ..::shakes head::.. > > > At least I know I'm not the only sleeping porrly these days. --Beth > > > On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > An unusually incoherent post from Grant, > > > here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346 > > > > I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap > > > Bourbon to enlarge the effect)... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I thought it was coherent and flowy - should I be worried? It's true, though, that I have been trying to add commas, clauses and parenthetical comments back into my own writing since I read it, so maybe I should. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Apr 6, 12:26 pm, Beth H wrote: > I'd say shockingly incoherent, even with sleep deprivation. I had to > read it twice to be clear on what was being conveyed. Wow. > > ..::shakes head::.. > > At least I know I'm not the only sleeping porrly these days. --Beth > > On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > An unusually incoherent post from Grant, > > here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346 > > > I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap > > Bourbon to enlarge the effect)... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Well, the only thing that should've thrown anybody was the last line
or two...the rest...easy. Still, it was written at 3am.
The "take-home" content is "Normal Jean."
G
On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> An unusually incoherent post from Grant,
> here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346
>
> I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap
> Bourbon to enlarge the effect).
>
> But: worth reading: the message is good if not always clear: priddy is
> good but don't get carried away.
>
> Two excerpts:
>
> A bag that weighs more empty than the contents it carries is quite a
> bag. A rack that shows off its beauty and never covers itself with a
> bag or basket is quite a rack. A bike and every part on it should
> ("shoulds" are OK now and then, no matter what they told you in the
> late '70s) serve a function. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do it
> nicely, or artifully, or even beautifully. I would say the best (value
> judgement time!) do that, and 'm not the arbiter of taste, but I'm all
> for it beaunction. I want to coin b-words.
>
> A bike should look only so fancy. There's a line. It's easy to cross
> it. Bikes that win awards at bike shows often cross my personal line,
> but not the lines of the judges. It's kind of a Normal Jean or Marilyn
> Monroe? thing. I meant Norma, but normal works. I believe more in
> muscle memory than in the subconscious. The one that's easier to prove
> gets my vote.
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Ah, Beth, not "shocking" -- we all have our incoherent moments. There is a message and it (IME) is worth proclaiming. Best of luck to all of you who suffer from insomnia: I suffered from it horribly in my 20s (think: 3 weeks of 2 hours until you were so wired you could not function or relax) and several immediate family members still suffer from it. Thank God (I am serious: maxime gratias ago tibi Domine) I now usually sleep like a drunk baby. Patrick Moore, who at least rarely washes his high end, custom-rack'd, exotic-old-stock-Lamufa-panniered Riv custom (too busy fixing goathead flats). On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Beth H wrote: > I'd say shockingly incoherent, even with sleep deprivation. I had to > read it twice to be clear on what was being conveyed. Wow. > > ..::shakes head::.. > > At least I know I'm not the only sleeping porrly these days. --Beth > > On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> An unusually incoherent post from Grant, >> here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346 >> >> I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap >> Bourbon to enlarge the effect)... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I'd say shockingly incoherent, even with sleep deprivation. I had to read it twice to be clear on what was being conveyed. Wow. ..::shakes head::.. At least I know I'm not the only sleeping porrly these days. --Beth On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > An unusually incoherent post from Grant, > here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346 > > I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap > Bourbon to enlarge the effect)... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
