Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
Good report! I'm VERY close to giving up on my non-sealed 700C set up. My ride was ended by goatheads today. Had to call in for support as I was close enough to home to not want to change fix two flats in the blazing hot 100F sun. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: UPDATE: Ride with GPS reports that it has been 611.8 miles since I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on my tubeless ready Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless. So I suppose I should give a midterm performance update. Short version: ZERO flats! Wonderful! Great! Should have done it sooner! If you have tubeless ready rims and run tires 42mm or wider, I recommend you go tubeless. If you have narrower tires or rims that are not tubeless ready…I don’t know. I just know that what I did works great! Long Version: I used to get MANY flats from goat heads, star thistle, and other thorns. Before, with inner tubes, I was averaging a flat every 42.75 miles. With my tubeless setup, I still get many thorns, but they don’t result in flats. If anything, I get more thorns than ever because I do more dirt trails now that I don’t have to worry about flats. In the beginning, I used to carefully go over my tires after each ride and pick all the thorns out of the tires. Now I am much more casual about it. I pick out the really obvious thorns but I often just leave most of them in until my weekend maintenance. When I pull a thorn, I get a brief leak of Orange Seal, and then it seals up. No worries; and I have never had a significant pressure loss. I just got back from a bike free 5 day vacation and the tires lost less than 5 PSI. In normal use, I just top off the tires every few days. The only real issue I have had is that the Orange Seal is so good at plugging leaks that it eventually clogs up the valves. I have removed, cleaned, and replaced each valve stem once during this 611.8 mile test…not a big deal. Doug On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 10:40:47 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
If you do have removable valve cores, an oral medicine syringe (like you get with cough syrup) works great as a sealant injector, and can be sourced free from your local pharmacist (if you ask nicely). I had bad luck with trying to get Pari-Motos to seal up tubeless, so now I'm trying the sealant-in-the-tube method. No punctures yet to test the theory. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
True Joe, My SL-23 rims are tubeless ready. They have a tighter fit than other rims. So I don't recommend going tubeless unless your rims are made for tubeless. On Jul 20, 2015 11:26 AM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote: Proceed with caution, Shoji. I don't think synergies are tubeless ready (i.e. not designed to keep a tire on without a tube). Some people have had success just putting the sealant in the tube, though. Best, joe broach pdx or Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Jul 20, 2015 9:39 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/q6VHUBT2_pY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
Thanks, Joe. I'm thinking of putting Stans or Orange into the tube. I've got Schwalbe tubes, and I think they have a removable core. Shouldn't be too hard to put in some sealant. Downsides of that? Some added weight? :) shoji On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:26:07 PM UTC-4, joe b. wrote: Proceed with caution, Shoji. I don't think synergies are tubeless ready (i.e. not designed to keep a tire on without a tube). Some people have had success just putting the sealant in the tube, though. Best, joe broach pdx or Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Jul 20, 2015 9:39 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
Proceed with caution, Shoji. I don't think synergies are tubeless ready (i.e. not designed to keep a tire on without a tube). Some people have had success just putting the sealant in the tube, though. Best, joe broach pdx or Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Jul 20, 2015 9:39 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
Where I have been riding...yes, that is a record. But I will reserve final judgment until I get more more tubeless miles. Doug On Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 09:56 Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/20/2015 12:46 PM, Doug Williams wrote: The answers are yes, yes, and yes. That's all there is to it. Over 50 flat free miles and counting. Is that like some kind of longevity record? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/q6VHUBT2_pY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
The answers are yes, yes, and yes. That's all there is to it. Over 50 flat free miles and counting. Doug On Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 09:39 Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/q6VHUBT2_pY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
On 07/20/2015 12:46 PM, Doug Williams wrote: The answers are yes, yes, and yes. That's all there is to it. Over 50 flat free miles and counting. Is that like some kind of longevity record? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
I log my miles with Ride With GPS and I use the same program to log maintenance, including flats. Checking my records, I was averaging a flat every 42.75 miles. I have now gone 65.6 miles without a flat and I am riding the same thorn prone routes. If anything, I'm riding over more thorns because I used to shy away from areas that I knew were full of thorns, but now I'm riding right through them. So...nice; but too early to give a meaningful and statistically significant review of my tubeless setup. Stay tuned as I bike more miles. :-) Doug On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 9:59:57 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: Where I have been riding...yes, that is a record. But I will reserve final judgment until I get more more tubeless miles. Doug On Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 09:56 Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/20/2015 12:46 PM, Doug Williams wrote: The answers are yes, yes, and yes. That's all there is to it. Over 50 flat free miles and counting. Is that like some kind of longevity record? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/q6VHUBT2_pY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
IME, this depends on the pressure. Stan's in 622X28 tube at 60 psi = invincible flat protection. Stan's in 622X 50 tube at 20 psi = very vincible flat protection. Stan's in 622X 50 tubeless Furious Fred = flat free paradise. Patrick Moore, with some 3500 miles under his treads to prove his assertions in ABQ, Goatheadland, NM. On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: Shoji, From what I have read, putting the sealant in the tube is somewhat effective in reducing flats, but it is not anywhere as good as going tubeless because the thin inner tube just won't seal as well as a thicker tire. Still worth trying, but don't expect a flat-free miracle. Doug On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 11:49:34 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Thanks, Joe. I'm thinking of putting Stans or Orange into the tube. I've got Schwalbe tubes, and I think they have a removable core. Shouldn't be too hard to put in some sealant. Downsides of that? Some added weight? :) shoji On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:26:07 PM UTC-4, joe b. wrote: Proceed with caution, Shoji. I don't think synergies are tubeless ready (i.e. not designed to keep a tire on without a tube). Some people have had success just putting the sealant in the tube, though. Best, joe broach pdx or Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Jul 20, 2015 9:39 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
Oh, and once again: you don't need removable valve cores; and you don't need injectors. Sealant works with non-removable cores (no, not through a hole in the tube) and using the 2 oz bottle. Ask me how I know. Patrick fixing flats since 1965 Moore On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: IME, this depends on the pressure. Stan's in 622X28 tube at 60 psi = invincible flat protection. Stan's in 622X 50 tube at 20 psi = very vincible flat protection. Stan's in 622X 50 tubeless Furious Fred = flat free paradise. Patrick Moore, with some 3500 miles under his treads to prove his assertions in ABQ, Goatheadland, NM. On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: Shoji, From what I have read, putting the sealant in the tube is somewhat effective in reducing flats, but it is not anywhere as good as going tubeless because the thin inner tube just won't seal as well as a thicker tire. Still worth trying, but don't expect a flat-free miracle. Doug On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 11:49:34 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Thanks, Joe. I'm thinking of putting Stans or Orange into the tube. I've got Schwalbe tubes, and I think they have a removable core. Shouldn't be too hard to put in some sealant. Downsides of that? Some added weight? :) shoji On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:26:07 PM UTC-4, joe b. wrote: Proceed with caution, Shoji. I don't think synergies are tubeless ready (i.e. not designed to keep a tire on without a tube). Some people have had success just putting the sealant in the tube, though. Best, joe broach pdx or Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Jul 20, 2015 9:39 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
Shoji, From what I have read, putting the sealant in the tube is somewhat effective in reducing flats, but it is not anywhere as good as going tubeless because the thin inner tube just won't seal as well as a thicker tire. Still worth trying, but don't expect a flat-free miracle. Doug On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 11:49:34 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Thanks, Joe. I'm thinking of putting Stans or Orange into the tube. I've got Schwalbe tubes, and I think they have a removable core. Shouldn't be too hard to put in some sealant. Downsides of that? Some added weight? :) shoji On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:26:07 PM UTC-4, joe b. wrote: Proceed with caution, Shoji. I don't think synergies are tubeless ready (i.e. not designed to keep a tire on without a tube). Some people have had success just putting the sealant in the tube, though. Best, joe broach pdx or Caveat lector. Sent from a phone. On Jul 20, 2015 9:39 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Doug, I'm considering tubeless set up for my Loup Loup Pass EL (650B x 38) on Velocity Synergies. I've had a number of rear-tire flats the past two weeks from glass bits. Puts a damper on the nice ride. For the conversion: did you use the tubeless valves and stan's tape? And then add the Orange Seal via injector? Is that really all there is to it? Thanks for your help/advice, Shoji On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some preliminary observations: From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it. First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course, but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on and the second bead pulled in close like I did. So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes. I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at dawn before work. Been there, done that! So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's
For me, that would be a longevity record. (Almost.) Except when using Stan's. On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/20/2015 12:46 PM, Doug Williams wrote: The answers are yes, yes, and yes. That's all there is to it. Over 50 flat free miles and counting. Is that like some kind of longevity record? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
