Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

[Hillel Y. Levin]

And remember that the cases that are actually brought are just the tip of
the iceberg.

I'm convinced that one reason that these aren't challenged often enough to
eradicate them entirely is that few people want to be the
"Jew/atheist/Muslim/secular humanist/agnostic/etc who stole Christmas."
What parents want to make their children a pariah in a small community by
taking away the Bible?

This is a version of the soft coercion that Kennedy spoke of, only here the
coercion is not necessarily in respectful participation but in tolerating a
clear constitutional violation.

On Monday, April 24, 2017, Christopher Lund  wrote:

> It is astonishing how much defiance there is of the basic principles of *Engel
> *and *Schempp*.  The cases are periodic, but the facts are striking and
> they make you wonder what’s really going on out there.
>
>
>
> So, for example, one recent case out of the Southern District of
> Mississippi involved videos shown during school assemblies encouraging
> conversion to Christianity, prayers delivered by invited clergy, and
> Gideons distributing Bibles.  All flagrant violations of the rules—for
> example, with the Gideons, the principal had instructed the teachers by
> email to make sure that the students came into contact with the
> Gideons—“Gideons will set up in the lobby of the fifth grade building at
> 7:35. Fifth grade teachers—please walk your class through the lobby at that
> time.”  The case is M*.B. ex rel. Bedi v. Rankin Cty. Sch. Dist*., No.
> 3:13CV241-CWR-FKB, 2015 WL 5023115 (S.D. Miss. July 10, 2015).
>
>
>
> Another case, coming out of South Carolina, involved graduation prayer at
> an elementary school.  The district judge remarked: “[T]he undersigned's
> most overwhelming rhetorical reaction to all of this is how in 2015 is
> there still any debate or legal nuance to hash over prayers at
> graduation?”  Am. Humanist Ass'n. v. S.C. Dep't of Educ., 108 F. Supp. 3d
> 355, 358 (D.S.C. 2015).  Indeed.
>
>
>
> When I taught in Mississippi, there was a teacher at a public high school
> near Vicksburg who had been fired at least twice for insisting on praying
> with her class.  Both times, there was such an outcry that the school
> district felt obliged to take her back.  She made no promises not to do the
> same thing in the future.  As far as I know, she’s still there.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
> ___
>
> Christopher C. Lund
>
> Associate Professor of Law
>
> Wayne State University Law School
>
> 471 West Palmer St.
>
> Detroit, MI  48202
>
> l...@wayne.edu 
>
> (313) 577-4046 (phone)
>
> Website—http://law.wayne.edu/profile/christopher.lund/
>
> Papers—http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=363402
>
>
>
> *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu
> 
> [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nelson Tebbe
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 10:18 AM
> *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics  >
> *Subject:* Re: Bible classes in elementary schools
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> CBS This Morning produced a piece about the case in early February — I
> appear (very) briefly: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawsuit-to-end-bible-
> class-west-virginia-mercer-county-public-schools-
> separation-church-state/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab8d=34252653 They
> obtained some powerful footage from parents and students who support the
> class.
>
>
>
> Nelson Tebbe
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Michael Masinter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> I grew up in Charleston, W.Va. and attended Kanawha County public schools
> beginning in 1952 from the first grade through the ninth grade; even before
> Engle and Abbington Township, we did not have bible study classes.  The
> school district was surprisingly compliant with the constitution as
> construed by SCOTUS; it ended de jure segregation in the fall of 1954, and
> ended opening prayers following Engle.  Unfortunately, the school district
> was not representative of the state as a whole.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Michael R. Masinter
>
> Professor of Law
>
> Nova Southeastern University
>
> 3305 College Avenue
>
> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33314
>
> 954.262.6151
>
> masin...@nova.edu 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu
>  [
> mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chambers, Hank
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:52 AM
> *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics  

RE: Bible classes in elementary schools

[Christopher Lund]

It is astonishing how much defiance there is of the basic principles of Engel 
and Schempp.  The cases are periodic, but the facts are striking and they make 
you wonder what’s really going on out there.

So, for example, one recent case out of the Southern District of Mississippi 
involved videos shown during school assemblies encouraging conversion to 
Christianity, prayers delivered by invited clergy, and Gideons distributing 
Bibles.  All flagrant violations of the rules—for example, with the Gideons, 
the principal had instructed the teachers by email to make sure that the 
students came into contact with the Gideons—“Gideons will set up in the lobby 
of the fifth grade building at 7:35. Fifth grade teachers—please walk your 
class through the lobby at that time.”  The case is M.B. ex rel. Bedi v. Rankin 
Cty. Sch. Dist., No. 3:13CV241-CWR-FKB, 2015 WL 5023115 (S.D. Miss. July 10, 
2015).

Another case, coming out of South Carolina, involved graduation prayer at an 
elementary school.  The district judge remarked: “[T]he undersigned's most 
overwhelming rhetorical reaction to all of this is how in 2015 is there still 
any debate or legal nuance to hash over prayers at graduation?”  Am. Humanist 
Ass'n. v. S.C. Dep't of Educ., 108 F. Supp. 3d 355, 358 (D.S.C. 2015).  Indeed.

When I taught in Mississippi, there was a teacher at a public high school near 
Vicksburg who had been fired at least twice for insisting on praying with her 
class.  Both times, there was such an outcry that the school district felt 
obliged to take her back.  She made no promises not to do the same thing in the 
future.  As far as I know, she’s still there.

Best,
Chris
___
Christopher C. Lund
Associate Professor of Law
Wayne State University Law School
471 West Palmer St.
Detroit, MI  48202
l...@wayne.edu
(313) 577-4046 (phone)
Website—http://law.wayne.edu/profile/christopher.lund/
Papers—http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=363402

From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Nelson Tebbe
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:18 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics 
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools



CBS This Morning produced a piece about the case in early February — I appear 
(very) briefly: 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawsuit-to-end-bible-class-west-virginia-mercer-county-public-schools-separation-church-state/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab8d=34252653
 They obtained some powerful footage from parents and students who support the 
class.

Nelson Tebbe

On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Michael Masinter 
> wrote:

I grew up in Charleston, W.Va. and attended Kanawha County public schools 
beginning in 1952 from the first grade through the ninth grade; even before 
Engle and Abbington Township, we did not have bible study classes.  The school 
district was surprisingly compliant with the constitution as construed by 
SCOTUS; it ended de jure segregation in the fall of 1954, and ended opening 
prayers following Engle.  Unfortunately, the school district was not 
representative of the state as a whole.

Mike

Michael R. Masinter
Professor of Law
Nova Southeastern University
3305 College Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33314
954.262.6151
masin...@nova.edu





From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Chambers, Hank
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics 
>
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

Hello all -

My wife grew up Catholic in Bluefield, Mercer County, W.Va., in the 1980s, and 
took Bible in middle school.  Her take: "Of course, it is unconstitutional and 
has been for decades, and you felt like an outsider/strange one if you did not 
take the class." I was bemused when I heard about the Bible class decades ago, 
but chalked it up to local custom.

Go to  http://www.mercerbits.org/aboutus.htm  for more information about the 
Bible in the Schools program. Very interesting.

Hank

Henry L. Chambers, Jr.
Professor of Law
University of Richmond School of Law
28 Westhampton Way
Richmond, Va. 23173
(804) 289-8199
hcham...@richmond.edu



From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
> 
on behalf of Steven Jamar >
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:34 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I do an informal raise your hand sort of survey of those students in my con law 
class who had in-public-school instruction in Christianity in elementary 

Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

[Nelson Tebbe]

CBS This Morning produced a piece about the case in early February — I appear 
(very) briefly: 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawsuit-to-end-bible-class-west-virginia-mercer-county-public-schools-separation-church-state/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab8d=34252653
 They obtained some powerful footage from parents and students who support the 
class.

Nelson Tebbe

On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Michael Masinter 
> wrote:

I grew up in Charleston, W.Va. and attended Kanawha County public schools 
beginning in 1952 from the first grade through the ninth grade; even before 
Engle and Abbington Township, we did not have bible study classes.  The school 
district was surprisingly compliant with the constitution as construed by 
SCOTUS; it ended de jure segregation in the fall of 1954, and ended opening 
prayers following Engle.  Unfortunately, the school district was not 
representative of the state as a whole.

Mike

Michael R. Masinter
Professor of Law
Nova Southeastern University
3305 College Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33314
954.262.6151
masin...@nova.edu





From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Chambers, Hank
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics 
>
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

Hello all -

My wife grew up Catholic in Bluefield, Mercer County, W.Va., in the 1980s, and 
took Bible in middle school.  Her take: "Of course, it is unconstitutional and 
has been for decades, and you felt like an outsider/strange one if you did not 
take the class." I was bemused when I heard about the Bible class decades ago, 
but chalked it up to local custom.

Go to  http://www.mercerbits.org/aboutus.htm  for more information about the 
Bible in the Schools program. Very interesting.

Hank

Henry L. Chambers, Jr.
Professor of Law
University of Richmond School of Law
28 Westhampton Way
Richmond, Va. 23173
(804) 289-8199
hcham...@richmond.edu



From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
> 
on behalf of Steven Jamar >
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:34 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I do an informal raise your hand sort of survey of those students in my con law 
class who had in-public-school instruction in Christianity in elementary 
school. It ranges from a low of 15% to around 50% each year. Once a student 
asked me if Catholicism counted as Christian. In that case it was indeed a 
public school, but only one teacher doing it.

Steve

Sent from Steve's iPhone


On Apr 23, 2017, at 11:48 PM, Finkelman, Paul 
> wrote:
The community apparently raises $500,000 a year for the course – that should 
cover attorney’s fees.  Nice irony if the county and the donors help support 
the Freedom From Religion Foundation.


***
Paul Finkelman
John E. Murray Visiting Professor of Law
University of Pittsburgh School of Law
3900 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA  15260
paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
paul.finkel...@yahoo.com
paul.finkel...@pitt.edu
o) 412-648-2079
c) 518-605-0296



From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:36 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I think it is impossible to teach a constitutionally defensible Bible class to 
7 year olds. And anytime the Bible course is described as "history," the game 
is over. What a waste of money for this School District to have to pay the 
plaintiffs' attorneys fees, even if Liberty Institute is representing the 
School  Board for free.
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:27 PM Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) 
> wrote:
One could teach a constitutional Bible course in public schools. The odds that 
they are teaching it that way in Princeton, WV seem vanishingly small. And the 
story's quotations from the curriculum seem to eliminate that slim possibility.

Of course there is no constituency for teaching the Bible in the agnostic way 
that would be constitutional. The political demand is to teach it as Sunday 
School.

Douglas Laycock
Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law
University of Virginia
580 Massie Road
Charlottesville, VA 22903
434-243-8546

From: 

RE: Bible classes in elementary schools

[Michael Masinter]

I grew up in Charleston, W.Va. and attended Kanawha County public schools 
beginning in 1952 from the first grade through the ninth grade; even before 
Engle and Abbington Township, we did not have bible study classes.  The school 
district was surprisingly compliant with the constitution as construed by 
SCOTUS; it ended de jure segregation in the fall of 1954, and ended opening 
prayers following Engle.  Unfortunately, the school district was not 
representative of the state as a whole.

Mike

Michael R. Masinter
Professor of Law
Nova Southeastern University
3305 College Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33314
954.262.6151
masin...@nova.edu





From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Chambers, Hank
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics 
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools


Hello all -



My wife grew up Catholic in Bluefield, Mercer County, W.Va., in the 1980s, and 
took Bible in middle school.  Her take: "Of course, it is unconstitutional and 
has been for decades, and you felt like an outsider/strange one if you did not 
take the class." I was bemused when I heard about the Bible class decades ago, 
but chalked it up to local custom.



Go to  http://www.mercerbits.org/aboutus.htm  for more information about the 
Bible in the Schools program. Very interesting.



Hank


Henry L. Chambers, Jr.
Professor of Law
University of Richmond School of Law
28 Westhampton Way
Richmond, Va. 23173
(804) 289-8199
hcham...@richmond.edu






From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
> 
on behalf of Steven Jamar >
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:34 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I do an informal raise your hand sort of survey of those students in my con law 
class who had in-public-school instruction in Christianity in elementary 
school. It ranges from a low of 15% to around 50% each year. Once a student 
asked me if Catholicism counted as Christian. In that case it was indeed a 
public school, but only one teacher doing it.

Steve

Sent from Steve's iPhone


On Apr 23, 2017, at 11:48 PM, Finkelman, Paul 
> wrote:
The community apparently raises $500,000 a year for the course - that should 
cover attorney's fees.  Nice irony if the county and the donors help support 
the Freedom From Religion Foundation.


***
Paul Finkelman
John E. Murray Visiting Professor of Law
University of Pittsburgh School of Law
3900 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA  15260
paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
paul.finkel...@yahoo.com
paul.finkel...@pitt.edu
o) 412-648-2079
c) 518-605-0296



From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:36 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I think it is impossible to teach a constitutionally defensible Bible class to 
7 year olds. And anytime the Bible course is described as "history," the game 
is over. What a waste of money for this School District to have to pay the 
plaintiffs' attorneys fees, even if Liberty Institute is representing the 
School  Board for free.
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:27 PM Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) 
> wrote:

One could teach a constitutional Bible course in public schools. The odds that 
they are teaching it that way in Princeton, WV seem vanishingly small. And the 
story's quotations from the curriculum seem to eliminate that slim possibility.



Of course there is no constituency for teaching the Bible in the agnostic way 
that would be constitutional. The political demand is to teach it as Sunday 
School.


Douglas Laycock
Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law
University of Virginia
580 Massie Road
Charlottesville, VA 22903
434-243-8546

From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] 
on behalf of Marty Lederman 
[martin.leder...@law.georgetown.edu]

Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:49 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Bible classes in elementary schools
Any possibility 

Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

[Chambers, Hank]

Hello all -


My wife grew up Catholic in Bluefield, Mercer County, W.Va., in the 1980s, and 
took Bible in middle school.  Her take: "Of course, it is unconstitutional and 
has been for decades, and you felt like an outsider/strange one if you did not 
take the class." I was bemused when I heard about the Bible class decades ago, 
but chalked it up to local custom.


Go to  http://www.mercerbits.org/aboutus.htm  for more information about the 
Bible in the Schools program. Very interesting.


Hank


Henry L. Chambers, Jr.
Professor of Law
University of Richmond School of Law
28 Westhampton Way
Richmond, Va. 23173
(804) 289-8199
hcham...@richmond.edu




From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu  
on behalf of Steven Jamar 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:34 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I do an informal raise your hand sort of survey of those students in my con law 
class who had in-public-school instruction in Christianity in elementary 
school. It ranges from a low of 15% to around 50% each year. Once a student 
asked me if Catholicism counted as Christian. In that case it was indeed a 
public school, but only one teacher doing it.

Steve

Sent from Steve's iPhone


On Apr 23, 2017, at 11:48 PM, Finkelman, Paul 
> wrote:

The community apparently raises $500,000 a year for the course – that should 
cover attorney’s fees.  Nice irony if the county and the donors help support 
the Freedom From Religion Foundation.


***
Paul Finkelman
John E. Murray Visiting Professor of Law
University of Pittsburgh School of Law
3900 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA  15260
paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
paul.finkel...@yahoo.com
paul.finkel...@pitt.edu
o) 412-648-2079
c) 518-605-0296




From: 
religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:36 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

I think it is impossible to teach a constitutionally defensible Bible class to 
7 year olds. And anytime the Bible course is described as "history," the game 
is over. What a waste of money for this School District to have to pay the 
plaintiffs' attorneys fees, even if Liberty Institute is representing the 
School  Board for free.
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:27 PM Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) 
> wrote:

One could teach a constitutional Bible course in public schools. The odds that 
they are teaching it that way in Princeton, WV seem vanishingly small. And the 
story's quotations from the curriculum seem to eliminate that slim possibility.



Of course there is no constituency for teaching the Bible in the agnostic way 
that would be constitutional. The political demand is to teach it as Sunday 
School.


Douglas Laycock
Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law
University of Virginia
580 Massie Road
Charlottesville, VA 22903
434-243-8546

From: 
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[religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] 
on behalf of Marty Lederman 
[martin.leder...@law.georgetown.edu]

Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:49 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Bible classes in elementary schools
Any possibility 
this
 is constitutional?
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Re: Bible classes in elementary schools

[Steven Jamar]

I do an informal raise your hand sort of survey of those students in my con law 
class who had in-public-school instruction in Christianity in elementary 
school. It ranges from a low of 15% to around 50% each year. Once a student 
asked me if Catholicism counted as Christian. In that case it was indeed a 
public school, but only one teacher doing it.

Steve

Sent from Steve's iPhone 


> On Apr 23, 2017, at 11:48 PM, Finkelman, Paul  
> wrote:
> 
> The community apparently raises $500,000 a year for the course – that should 
> cover attorney’s fees.  Nice irony if the county and the donors help support 
> the  Freedom From Religion Foundation.
>  
>  
> ***
> Paul Finkelman
> John E. Murray Visiting Professor of Law
> University of Pittsburgh School of Law
> 3900 Forbes Avenue
> Pittsburgh, PA  15260
> paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
> paul.finkel...@yahoo.com
> paul.finkel...@pitt.edu
> o) 412-648-2079
> c) 518-605-0296
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
> [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 11:36 PM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: Re: Bible classes in elementary schools
>  
> I think it is impossible to teach a constitutionally defensible Bible class 
> to 7 year olds. And anytime the Bible course is described as "history," the 
> game is over. What a waste of money for this School District to have to pay 
> the plaintiffs' attorneys fees, even if Liberty Institute is representing the 
> School  Board for free.
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:27 PM Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) 
>  wrote:
> One could teach a constitutional Bible course in public schools. The odds 
> that they are teaching it that way in Princeton, WV seem vanishingly small. 
> And the story's quotations from the curriculum seem to eliminate that slim 
> possibility.
> 
>  
> 
> Of course there is no constituency for teaching the Bible in the agnostic way 
> that would be constitutional. The political demand is to teach it as Sunday 
> School.
> 
>  
> 
> Douglas Laycock
> Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law
> University of Virginia
> 580 Massie Road
> Charlottesville, VA 22903
> 434-243-8546
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] 
> on behalf of Marty Lederman [martin.leder...@law.georgetown.edu]
> 
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: Bible classes in elementary schools
> Any possibility this is constitutional?
> ___
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