Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due toElectrocution and Fire Hazards

[Bruce Bagwell]

There are many makes of voltage sensing sticks one can get basically anywhere.

Many times I have seen outlets "Converted" to 3 wire from two, only to find all 
they did was "ground" from the neutral wire.  That means I get all kinds of RFI 
and if the "Ground" ever dropped, it would be HOT just from the return from the 
light bulb or whatever.

BTW, those cheap "Testers" will NOT detect HOT/Ground/Neutral Reverse!

If in doubt, run a wire from a known ground to your Meter and find what wires 
are "Hot"

I remember A house I rented, every time I touched the light switch/outlet in 
the garage I got "tickled"
Glad I knew what was going on or else I might have made full contact, and I 
would not be typing this right now!
Swapped the HOT/Neutral/Ground and all was OK!

Always remember, just because the outlet is "Grounded" does not mean it is 
really "Grounded"  Verify!

Stay safe out there!

Bruce Bagwell
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>
> The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in
the 
> garage that had line & neutral reversed. It is tagged as such, & is now 
> only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.
>
> Bob NO6B

My brother lived in a house with two wire plugs he changed to three wire
plugs. He just jumpered the neutral and ground together on the plugs.

It fooled the inspector with the little plug in light up gizmo.

I highly recomend one of these to anyone working around electricity.
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+VoltAlert.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnit
edStates

Best $20.00 I spent.

tom n8ie



 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Barry]

Last month one the workers and I were inside a local shopping centre planning 
additions to the fibre and telephone when we found some cable ( power) just 
thrown in the dust above a vacant shop , live single phase 240 15 amp cable 
resting inside a steel roof truss covered with dust , happily I had my voltage 
pen with me so no harm but when the matter was broached with the manager he 
attempted to ignore it with a dismissive...
 He wont do that again :)
 The alarming thing was it was neutral and active reversed and had nothing to 
protect the naked copper 

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:47:25 +
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to 
Electrocution and Fire Hazards




















<<<"Nevertheless, I see inadequate and

sometimes dangerous electrical installations almost on a daily

basis...">>>



Another "war story" that goes with your comment.  Shortly after I

retired, I took a job with a company that was located in a former

International Harvester building doing general maintenance type work.

 Part of that job included running over the rough concrete floors with

a cleaning machine.  In one unused part of the building, I saw a

length of several fairly heavy wires lying on the floor, near a puddle

of water (the roof leaked in that section of the building).  I thought

I'd just coil them up and hang them on a spike on the wall near where

they originated.  I picked up the wires and started to coil them up

and as I straightened them out I hit the end of the wires and they

soundly hit me back with one of the most painful shocks I can recall

receiving.  It turned out that those lines were part of a 440 volt,

three phase line that was never turned off when the equipment was

moved out of the area.  Once again, I was very lucky in that the only

injury was one gigantic scare over what might have happened.  Another

lesson, never ASS-ume that a line is dead until you confirm it.  Had

my other hand been grounded, I probably wouldn't be telling this story

now.

Tom



--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>

> Don,

> 

> Your dad is a man I can relate to and admire!  I am an ICBO/IAEI

Certified

> Electrical Inspector, although that has nothing whatsoever to do with my

> employment in the aerospace business.  Nevertheless, I see

inadequate and

> sometimes dangerous electrical installations almost on a daily basis  My

> next-door neighbor once called me over to check some wiring he added

to his

> garage for some power tools.  He had run some 18/2 SPT, commonly

called "zip

> cord", from a light socket above his washing machine over to a

receptacle

> box he added for a drill press.  He said that the drill press stalled

> easily, and he often smelled a "burning odor."  Duh!  Not only was

the zip

> cord extension a violation of several articles of the National

Electrical

> Code, but it was undersized for the load and there was no grounding

> conductor!  He was absolutely clueless about safe and legal electrical

> wiring.  At my urging, he hired a competent electrician to install a

new and

> dedicated branch circuit for his workbench.

> 

> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

>   

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kupferschmidt

> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:47 PM

> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to

> Electrocution and Fire Hazards

> 

> Can you imagine this happening in a residential / commercial

bathroom where 

> the GFI is compromised?

> 

> I'd relate that to "old sparky" in one of the state's pens, (say in

Florida)

> 

> where the lethal death penality still exists.

> 

> My Dad was an electrician and an electrical inspector for a city in 

> Wisconsin. I still remember to this day when he would be out inspecting 

> jobs, me along with him, and get really MAD when he saw something

like you 

> have just described.

> 

> I'll never forget the day when he called up an electrical contractor

and 

> told him if he didn't fix the problem within 24 hours, he would yank

his 

> license and refer him to the police department for endangering the

public's 

> welfare.

> 

> He was not a "liked" inspector, but was trusted within the electrical 

> community. And he slept very well at night.

> 

> Don, KD9PT

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >

> To:   >

> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM

> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies

Due to 

> Electrocution and Fire Hazards

> 

> > The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by

exchanging the

> > neutral and ground leads inside the case. Although the po

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due toElectrocution and Fire Hazards

[Nate Duehr]

On Jul 4, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Thomas Oliver wrote:

> I highly recomend one of these to anyone working around electricity.
> http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+VoltAlert.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnit
> edStates
>
> Best $20.00 I spent.
>
> tom n8ie


 From the link you sent:  "This product is discontinued".

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Tom]

<<<"Nevertheless, I see inadequate and
sometimes dangerous electrical installations almost on a daily
basis...">>>

Another "war story" that goes with your comment.  Shortly after I
retired, I took a job with a company that was located in a former
International Harvester building doing general maintenance type work.
 Part of that job included running over the rough concrete floors with
a cleaning machine.  In one unused part of the building, I saw a
length of several fairly heavy wires lying on the floor, near a puddle
of water (the roof leaked in that section of the building).  I thought
I'd just coil them up and hang them on a spike on the wall near where
they originated.  I picked up the wires and started to coil them up
and as I straightened them out I hit the end of the wires and they
soundly hit me back with one of the most painful shocks I can recall
receiving.  It turned out that those lines were part of a 440 volt,
three phase line that was never turned off when the equipment was
moved out of the area.  Once again, I was very lucky in that the only
injury was one gigantic scare over what might have happened.  Another
lesson, never ASS-ume that a line is dead until you confirm it.  Had
my other hand been grounded, I probably wouldn't be telling this story
now.
Tom


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Don,
> 
> Your dad is a man I can relate to and admire!  I am an ICBO/IAEI
Certified
> Electrical Inspector, although that has nothing whatsoever to do with my
> employment in the aerospace business.  Nevertheless, I see
inadequate and
> sometimes dangerous electrical installations almost on a daily basis  My
> next-door neighbor once called me over to check some wiring he added
to his
> garage for some power tools.  He had run some 18/2 SPT, commonly
called "zip
> cord", from a light socket above his washing machine over to a
receptacle
> box he added for a drill press.  He said that the drill press stalled
> easily, and he often smelled a "burning odor."  Duh!  Not only was
the zip
> cord extension a violation of several articles of the National
Electrical
> Code, but it was undersized for the load and there was no grounding
> conductor!  He was absolutely clueless about safe and legal electrical
> wiring.  At my urging, he hired a competent electrician to install a
new and
> dedicated branch circuit for his workbench.
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kupferschmidt
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:47 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
> 
> Can you imagine this happening in a residential / commercial
bathroom where 
> the GFI is compromised?
> 
> I'd relate that to "old sparky" in one of the state's pens, (say in
Florida)
> 
> where the lethal death penality still exists.
> 
> My Dad was an electrician and an electrical inspector for a city in 
> Wisconsin. I still remember to this day when he would be out inspecting 
> jobs, me along with him, and get really MAD when he saw something
like you 
> have just described.
> 
> I'll never forget the day when he called up an electrical contractor
and 
> told him if he didn't fix the problem within 24 hours, he would yank
his 
> license and refer him to the police department for endangering the
public's 
> welfare.
> 
> He was not a "liked" inspector, but was trusted within the electrical 
> community. And he slept very well at night.
> 
> Don, KD9PT
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> To:   >
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies
Due to 
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
> 
> > The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by
exchanging the
> > neutral and ground leads inside the case. Although the power
supply will
> > operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility
that the
> > unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which
happens 
> > often
> > when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. If the receptacle
ground
> > connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure
can be
> > energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard. Simple outlet 
> > testers
> > normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false
confidence.
> >
> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  
> > [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Mung
Bungholio
> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Eric Lemmon]

Don,

Your dad is a man I can relate to and admire!  I am an ICBO/IAEI Certified
Electrical Inspector, although that has nothing whatsoever to do with my
employment in the aerospace business.  Nevertheless, I see inadequate and
sometimes dangerous electrical installations almost on a daily basis  My
next-door neighbor once called me over to check some wiring he added to his
garage for some power tools.  He had run some 18/2 SPT, commonly called "zip
cord", from a light socket above his washing machine over to a receptacle
box he added for a drill press.  He said that the drill press stalled
easily, and he often smelled a "burning odor."  Duh!  Not only was the zip
cord extension a violation of several articles of the National Electrical
Code, but it was undersized for the load and there was no grounding
conductor!  He was absolutely clueless about safe and legal electrical
wiring.  At my urging, he hired a competent electrician to install a new and
dedicated branch circuit for his workbench.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kupferschmidt
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:47 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
Electrocution and Fire Hazards

Can you imagine this happening in a residential / commercial bathroom where 
the GFI is compromised?

I'd relate that to "old sparky" in one of the state's pens, (say in Florida)

where the lethal death penality still exists.

My Dad was an electrician and an electrical inspector for a city in 
Wisconsin. I still remember to this day when he would be out inspecting 
jobs, me along with him, and get really MAD when he saw something like you 
have just described.

I'll never forget the day when he called up an electrical contractor and 
told him if he didn't fix the problem within 24 hours, he would yank his 
license and refer him to the police department for endangering the public's 
welfare.

He was not a "liked" inspector, but was trusted within the electrical 
community. And he slept very well at night.

Don, KD9PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to 
Electrocution and Fire Hazards

> The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by exchanging the
> neutral and ground leads inside the case. Although the power supply will
> operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the
> unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens 
> often
> when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. If the receptacle ground
> connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be
> energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard. Simple outlet 
> testers
> normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false confidence.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
>
> I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in. It hasn't
> burst into flames yet.
>
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
>
>
>
>
> 
> U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
> Office of Information and Public Affairs
> Washington, DC 20207
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> July 2, 2008
> Release #08-319
>
> Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422
> CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
> CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908
>
> RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in
> cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall
> of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled
> products
> immediately unless otherwise instructed.
>
> Name of Product: 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Don Kupferschmidt]

Can you imagine this happening in a residential / commercial bathroom where 
the GFI is compromised?

I'd relate that to "old sparky" in one of the state's pens, (say in Florida) 
where the lethal death penality still exists.

My Dad was an electrician and an electrical inspector for a city in 
Wisconsin.  I still remember to this day when he would be out inspecting 
jobs, me along with him, and get really MAD when he saw something like you 
have just described.

I'll never forget the day when he called up an electrical contractor and 
told him if he didn't fix the problem within 24 hours, he would yank his 
license and refer him to the police department for endangering the public's 
welfare.

He was not a "liked" inspector, but was trusted within the electrical 
community.  And he slept very well at night.

Don, KD9PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to 
Electrocution and Fire Hazards


> The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by exchanging the
> neutral and ground leads inside the case.  Although the power supply will
> operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the
> unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens 
> often
> when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.  If the receptacle ground
> connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be
> energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard.  Simple outlet 
> testers
> normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false confidence.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
>
> I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in.  It hasn't
> burst into flames yet.
>
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
>
>
>
>
> 
> U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
> Office of Information and Public Affairs
> Washington, DC 20207
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> July 2, 2008
> Release #08-319
>
> Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422
> CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
> CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908
>
> RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in
> cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall
> of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled
> products
> immediately unless otherwise instructed.
>
> Name of Product:  13.8V DC Power Supplies
>
> Units:  About 160,000
>
> Importer:  RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas
>
> Hazard:  The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing
>   electrocution and fire hazards.
>
> Incidents/Injuries:  None reported.
>
> Description:  The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies,
>catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from
>  08A04 through 01A08.
>
> Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The
> catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply.
> Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging
> have already been repaired and are not included in the recall.
>
> Sold at:  RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January
>2008 for between $50 and $85.
>
> Manufactured in: China
>
> Remedy:  Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and
> take it to
> any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled
> power supplies
> will be mailed a notice.
>
> Consumer Contact:  For additional information, contact RadioShack at
> 800-843-7422 anytime,
> or visit the firm's website at:
>
> http://www.radioshack.com/recall 
> 
>
>
> To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled
> products, please go to:
>
> http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:1016,486e5618748231450673570!
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[no6b]

At 7/4/2008 16:02, you wrote:

>Wouldn't it be a lot better and safer to just shut off the power, pull it 
>out of the box, and reverse the white and black wires, and have it right ?

High voltage & I don't get along, so I try to avoid messing with house 
wiring unless absolutely necessary.  Besides, I can't stand working with 
solid wire.

I need to have some other electrical work done in that area.  When I do, 
I'll have the electrician take care of it as part of the job.

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due toElectrocution and Fire Hazards

[Thomas Oliver]

>
> The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in
the 
> garage that had line & neutral reversed.  It is tagged as such, & is now 
> only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.
>
> Bob NO6B

My brother lived in a house with two wire plugs he changed to three wire
plugs. He just jumpered the neutral and ground together on the plugs.

It fooled the inspector with the little plug in light up gizmo.


I highly recomend one of these to anyone working around electricity.
http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+VoltAlert.htm?catalog_name=FlukeUnit
edStates

Best $20.00 I spent.

tom n8ie

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Dave Gomberg]

At 15:52 7/4/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in the
>garage that had line & neutral reversed.  It is tagged as such, & is now
>only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.
>
>Bob NO6B

Bob, I am just curious.   Why not just fix it???



-- 
Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com
All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
- 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Dave Gomberg]

At 15:52 7/4/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in the
>garage that had line & neutral reversed.  It is tagged as such, & is now
>only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.
>
>Bob NO6B

Bob, I am just curious.   Why not just fix it???



-- 
Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com
All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
- 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Maire-Radios]

why don't you just fix it and be safe?


  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to 
Electrocution and Fire Hazards


  At 7/4/2008 15:21, you wrote:

  >OT (sorta)<<<...there is the possibility that the
  >unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens
  >often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.>>>
  >
  >Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is
  >safe.
  >When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points
  >was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax
  >and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician). All
  >of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well
  >and good. The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the
  >sale. Well, things were not all as they appeared. After getting

  The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in the 
  garage that had line & neutral reversed. It is tagged as such, & is now 
  only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.

  Bob NO6B



   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Joe]

My mother-in-law's condo also had a problem.  My electrician neighbor 
came over to do some wiring work and found out that the outside outlets 
were not connected to the GFI.  We figured that the original contractors 
working the job were tired of resetting the GFI all day due to their 
faulty tools, so they bypassed the GFI.  Then they forgot to rewire it 
back when they were done.  These guys were prime candidates for the 
Darwin Award.

73, Joe, K1ike

Tom wrote:
> OT (sorta)<<<...there is the possibility that the
> unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens
> often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.>>>
>
> Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is
> safe.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Gary Glaenzer]

Wouldn't it be a lot better and safer to just shut off the power, pull it out 
of the box, and reverse the white and black wires, and have it right ?




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to 
Electrocution and Fire Hazards


  At 7/4/2008 15:21, you wrote:

  >OT (sorta)<<<...there is the possibility that the
  >unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens
  >often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.>>>
  >
  >Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is
  >safe.
  >When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points
  >was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax
  >and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician). All
  >of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well
  >and good. The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the
  >sale. Well, things were not all as they appeared. After getting

  The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in the 
  garage that had line & neutral reversed. It is tagged as such, & is now 
  only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.

  Bob NO6B



   
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[Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Jack Hayes]

Why don't you fix it?  Just curious.

We ran into a similar situation in a home we moved into three years ago.  

Happy 4th!


--- On Fri, 7/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies  Due to 
Electrocution and Fire Hazards
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 3:52 PM











At 7/4/2008 15:21, you wrote:



>OT (sorta)<<<.. .there is the possibility that the

>unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens

>often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.> >>

>

>Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is

>safe.

>When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points

>was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax

>and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician) . All

>of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well

>and good. The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the

>sale. Well, things were not all as they appeared. After getting



The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in the 

garage that had line & neutral reversed.  It is tagged as such, & is now 

only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.



Bob NO6B




  




 

















  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[no6b]

At 7/4/2008 15:21, you wrote:

>OT (sorta)<<<...there is the possibility that the
>unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens
>often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.>>>
>
>Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is
>safe.
>When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points
>was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax
>and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician). All
>of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well
>and good. The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the
>sale. Well, things were not all as they appeared. After getting

The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, & found one in the 
garage that had line & neutral reversed.  It is tagged as such, & is now 
only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights.

Bob NO6B

[Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Tom]

OT (sorta)<<<...there is the possibility that the
unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens
often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.>>>

Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is
safe.
When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points
was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax
and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician).  All
of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well
and good.  The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the
sale.  Well, things were not all as they appeared.  After getting
"smacked" a couple of times on the bench, when I knew I shouldn't
have, I started looking.  Although all of the outlets in the house
were the 3-wire type, only the ones in the kitchen (not even the
bathroom) had the third wire ground actually connected.  All of the
others were wired with 2-wire Romax and NO ground.  Now, if that isn't
a booby trap, I don't know what is.  So, unlike me, don't assume
anything.  Buy a cheap line tester and check every outlet you have in
the house.  It may save your skin!
Tom

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by
exchanging the
> neutral and ground leads inside the case.  Although the power supply
will
> operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the
> unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which
happens often
> when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.  If the receptacle
ground
> connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be
> energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard.  Simple outlet
testers
> normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false
confidence.
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
> 
> I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in.  It
hasn't
> burst into flames yet.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
> Electrocution and Fire Hazards
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
> Office of Information and Public Affairs
> Washington, DC 20207
> 
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> July 2, 2008
> Release #08-319
> 
> Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422
> CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
> CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908
> 
> RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
> 
> WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in 
> cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary
recall 
> of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled
> products 
> immediately unless otherwise instructed.
> 
> Name of Product:  13.8V DC Power Supplies
> 
> Units:  About 160,000
> 
> Importer:  RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas
> 
> Hazard:  The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing 
>electrocution and fire hazards.
> 
> Incidents/Injuries:  None reported.
> 
> Description:  The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, 
> catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 
>   08A04 through 01A08. 
> 
> Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The 
> catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power
supply. 
> Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's
packaging 
> have already been repaired and are not included in the recall.
> 
> Sold at:  RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through
January 
> 2008 for between $50 and $85.
> 
> Manufactured in: China
> 
> Remedy:  Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply
immediately and
> take it to 
> any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the
recalled
> power supplies 
> will be mailed a notice.
> 
> Consumer Contact:  For additional information, contact RadioShack at
> 800-843-7422 anytime, 
> or visit the firm's website at:
> 
>  http://www.radioshack.com/recall

> 
> 
> To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the
recalled
> products, please go to:
> 
>  http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html
> 
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820 COR COR logic (and LDG Voter Interface)

[skipp025]

Actually, the Kenwood TKR-820 Repeater COR COS logic output 
changes state with valid activity but the voltage transitions 
are not standard values you'd expect. Measure the actual voltage 
change because I've found some of them to be slightly different 
per actual hardware version of the repeater.

I would not blindly connect pull-up or sink resistors/logic to 
the output connection because the line ties direct back to the 
uP board section. You don't want to make a mistake and blow out 
the internal Repeater COR/COS logic by "back-feeding" the wrong 
potentials on the lead...  The fix is not simple or pretty 

You can use a simple comparitor circuit to level transition the 
changing state to a more standard active low/high value as in 
zero to +13vdc (or +5v) or the converse. 

Some years back I designed and constructed a small interface 
board to work with a large number of TKR-720 Repeaters and the 
LDG Voters... not only do those circuits still function well... 
the circuit pretty much interfaces (detect) ANY - COS, Squelch, 
COR or logic state change and outputs a choice of active 
low/high logic and or a form C type relay connection(s). 

I use the interface boards for a fairly large number of commercial 
radio projects. The logic board can be used to detect just about 
any voltage change in a circuit and I've liberally used them in 
many other applications.

I'm about ready to run off another batch of "Any Value Logic 
Interface Boards" so that circuit will be available as a 
complete product later this month (if the circuit board mfgr 
finishes on time). I'll also have specific connection information 
available applied to the Kenwood TKR-820 Repeater circuit. 

If you need more Kenwood Repeater interface help before the 
board/circuit is again available to the public, please do feel 
free to Email me direct (I'm an Authorized Kenwood Service 
Station) for more help. You don't have to buy anything from me 
to obtain information and support. 

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com 

> One thing to look at on the TKR820.  The COS might require a 
> pullup resistor to make it go high.  Often they are open 
> collector that just pull to ground and let float when wanting 
> to go high. 

The mentioned TKR-720/820 Repeater COS/COR logic ouput is not 
a standard configuration. 
 
> If a pull-up is needed probably a 4.7k will do.
> To check this measure the COS with voltmeter to make sure 
> it is swinging high and low.  High would probably be 5 or 
> more volts and low less than 0.5 volts.

You will find the COS/COR line to change value from some point 
about 4 volts to another value depending on any other attached 
devices and/or parts. 


> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Date: 2008/07/04 Fri AM 08:44:51 EDT
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820
   
> >does anyone have a controller model they can share as I have been
working with a nhrc controller and don't seem to be able to get it to
key the repeater. also using rus instead of cor, didn't see a cor
signal on this repeater ?suggestions welcome...N9exJack   In a
message dated 7/4/2008 3:52:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 

  
> >At 04:29 PM 07/03/08, you wrote:
> >>Hi Guys
> >>does anyone out there happen to have a pin-out on 
> >>the accessory connecter
> >>on the back of   the machine
> >>N9ex
> >

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Eric Lemmon]

The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by exchanging the
neutral and ground leads inside the case.  Although the power supply will
operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the
unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens often
when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle.  If the receptacle ground
connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be
energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard.  Simple outlet testers
normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false confidence.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
Electrocution and Fire Hazards

I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in.  It hasn't
burst into flames yet.

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
Electrocution and Fire Hazards

 



U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Office of Information and Public Affairs
Washington, DC 20207

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 2, 2008
Release #08-319

Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422
CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in 
cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall 
of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled
products 
immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product:  13.8V DC Power Supplies

Units:  About 160,000

Importer:  RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas

Hazard:  The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing 
   electrocution and fire hazards.

Incidents/Injuries:  None reported.

Description:  The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, 
catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 
  08A04 through 01A08. 

Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The 
catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply. 
Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging 
have already been repaired and are not included in the recall.

Sold at:  RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January 
2008 for between $50 and $85.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy:  Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and
take it to 
any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled
power supplies 
will be mailed a notice.

Consumer Contact:  For additional information, contact RadioShack at
800-843-7422 anytime, 
or visit the firm's website at:

 http://www.radioshack.com/recall 


To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled
products, please go to:

 http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html
  

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

[Mung Bungholio]

I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in.  It hasn't
burst into flames yet.

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to
Electrocution and Fire Hazards

 



U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Office of Information and Public Affairs
Washington, DC 20207

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 2, 2008
Release #08-319

Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422
CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in 
cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall 
of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled
products 
immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product:  13.8V DC Power Supplies

Units:  About 160,000

Importer:  RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas

Hazard:  The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing 
   electrocution and fire hazards.

Incidents/Injuries:  None reported.

Description:  The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, 
catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 
  08A04 through 01A08. 

Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The 
catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply. 
Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging 
have already been repaired and are not included in the recall.

Sold at:  RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January 
2008 for between $50 and $85.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy:  Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and
take it to 
any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled
power supplies 
will be mailed a notice.

Consumer Contact:  For additional information, contact RadioShack at
800-843-7422 anytime, 
or visit the firm's website at:

 http://www.radioshack.com/recall 

To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled
products, please go to:

 http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html 

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

[ka3hsw]

The NHRC-2 is polarity independent for COS...  I've built & installed 3 of 
them.

It uses an optoisolator with both inputs floating, so it can be used for 
either positive- or negative-going COS as well.

73,

George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413


- Original Message - 
From: John
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820


The COR signal is opposite. I had to use a transistor invertor circuit
to use with the NHRC-2. Then we got an NHRC-7 which has a pos or neg COR
switch and that solved it

John

-- 
John Mc Hugh, K4AG
Coordinator for Amateur Radio
National Hurricane Center, WX4NHC
Home page:- http://www.wx4nhc.org

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>does anyone have a controller model they can share as I have been working
>with a nhrc controller and don't seem to be able to get it to key the 
>repeater.
>also using rus instead of cor, didn't see a cor signal on this repeater ?
>suggestions welcome...
>N9ex
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

[n9wys]

Replied off-list

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of n9ex_jack
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

Hi Guys
does anyone out there happen to have a pinout on the accesory connecter 
on the back of the machine

N9ex








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Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

[John]

The COR signal is opposite. I had to use a transistor invertor circuit 
to use with the NHRC-2. Then we got an NHRC-7 which has a pos or neg COR 
switch and that solved it

John

-- 
John Mc Hugh, K4AG
Coordinator for Amateur Radio  
National Hurricane Center, WX4NHC
Home page:- http://www.wx4nhc.org



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>does anyone have a controller model they can share as I have been working  
>with a nhrc controller and don't seem to be able to get it to key the 
>repeater.  
>also using rus instead of cor, didn't see a cor signal on this repeater ?
>suggestions welcome...
>N9ex
>

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

[Ron Wright]

Jack,

One thing to look at on the TKR820.  The COS might require a pullup resistor to 
make it go high.  Often they are open collector that just pull to ground and 
let float when wanting to go high.

If a pullup is needed probably a 4.7k will do.

To check this measure the COS with voltmeter to make sure it is swinging high 
and low.  High would probably be 5 or more volts and low less than 0.5 volts.

73, ron, n9ee/r




>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 2008/07/04 Fri AM 08:44:51 EDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

>
>does anyone have a controller model they can share as I have been working with 
>a nhrc controller and don't seem to be able to get it to key the repeater. 
>also using rus instead of cor, didn't see a cor signal on this repeater 
>?suggestions welcome...N9exJack   In a message dated 7/4/2008 3:52:35 A.M. 
>Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>At 04:29 PM 07/03/08, you wrote:
>>Hi Guys
>>does anyone out   there happen to have a pinout on the accesory connecter
>>on the back of   the machine
>>
>>N9ex
>
>Google is your   friend
>
>And the www.repeater-builder.com web site is as   well
>
>
>
>Mike   WA6ILQ
>
>
>
>
>Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
>   
> 


Ron Wright, N9EE
727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

[harley5477]

does anyone have a controller model they can share as I have been working  
with a nhrc controller and don't seem to be able to get it to key the repeater. 
 
also using rus instead of cor, didn't see a cor signal on this repeater ?
suggestions welcome...
N9ex
Jack
  
 
 
In a message dated 7/4/2008 3:52:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
At 04:29 PM 07/03/08, you wrote:
>Hi Guys
>does anyone out  there happen to have a pinout on the accesory connecter
>on the back of  the machine
>
>N9ex

Google is your  friend

And the www.repeater-And the www.repeater-builder.com w

<_http://www.repeaterhttp://wwhttp://www.rhttp://www.rephttp_ 
(http://www.repeater-builder.com/kenwood/tkr-n20-notes.html) >

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 820

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 04:29 PM 07/03/08, you wrote:
>Hi Guys
>does anyone out there happen to have a pinout on the accesory connecter
>on the back of the machine
>
>N9ex

Google is your friend

And the www.repeater-builder.com web site is as well



Mike WA6ILQ