[Repeater-Builder] Crystals information.
Hello everyone, I'm wondering if I can use crystal from a UHF Micor repeater to a MSR2000? Are they operate on the same harmonic? I know the chanel element are different, I would like to swap the crystal. Thank you for your help. 73' Eric VE7YBC / VE2VXT
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Mike, To let you know that is $19.95 each xtal, $40 + ship for a pair. Bomar has $50 min. All you need is the radio type, freq, where to ship and method of payment. They accept credit cards. Good luck in making your change. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Sounds like a pretty good deal to me! Thanks! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:29 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Mike, ICM is still selling crystals. they make an excellent xtal for $19.95 for I think 2 weeks. I use BOMAR which are also good, but ICM is still one of the best. 73, ron, n9ee/r - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:24 PM <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4. Is ICM still the best place to go for xtals? What s a good set running these days? <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Mike <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> WM4B <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
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Sounds like a pretty good deal to me! Thanks! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:29 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Mike, ICM is still selling crystals. they make an excellent xtal for $19.95 for I think 2 weeks. I use BOMAR which are also good, but ICM is still one of the best. 73, ron, n9ee/r - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4. Is ICM still the best place to go for xtals? What ’ s a good set running these days? Mike WM4B <><>
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just bought some from ICM for a Marti transmitter 20 bucks and about 2 weeks delivery - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4. Is ICM still the best place to go for xtals? What's a good set running these days? Mike WM4B
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Mike, ICM is still selling crystals. they make an excellent xtal for $19.95 for I think 2 weeks. I use BOMAR which are also good, but ICM is still one of the best. 73, ron, n9ee/r - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:24 PM <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4. Is ICM still the best place to go for xtals? What s a good set running these days? Mike WM4B
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One chance in very many here - What freq crystals are you needing? I have a set for a new Kendecom that I sold and kept the crystals as they were wrong for the new buyer - these are International - Dave / NØATH You can have them for the postage if I can find them and they would work for you - 146.325R / 146.925T 73 - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4. Is ICM still the best place to go for xtals? What's a good set running these days? Mike WM4B
[Repeater-Builder] Crystals
I might be looking to recrystal a Kendecom Mark 4. Is ICM still the best place to go for xtals? What's a good set running these days? Mike WM4B
[Repeater-Builder] Crystals
I have acouple Motorola Crystals for sale. $10.00 each, includes shipping to anywhere in the U.S. Came out of a Motorola Micor FM Two Way Radio model: T53RTA3404BA And if you want any others part, you can have them for cost of shipping. Vibrasponder : TLN8381A 97.4 hz K1005A : R158.760 mhz K1005A : R155.510 mhz K1005A : R154.295 mhz K1007A : T154.295 mhz K1007A : T154.290 mhz K1007A : T158.760 mhz K1007A : T155.510 mhz
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Just out of curiosity, how long were you quotes, and how long did it actually take? At 10:30 AM 11/04/07, you wrote: >Fine. If they have to take longer to provide the product, don't tell me >delivery will be 4 weeks than take longer. > >The apology letter I received from them said nothing about a backlog of >orders. > >As for the flawless part, I did not directly relate that to the time. I >said I went with them due to their reputation. That is the reason why I >didn't order from Bomar. In all the orders from Bomar, they always took >how long they said. While I've never had a problem with them, I wanted >to take out the extra 'insurance' of purchasing from ICM. I wasn't aware >of the fact that the delivery time would suffer as much as it has. > >Joe M. > >Eric Lemmon wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > I don't see a connection between how long the order takes and > whether or not > > the crystals are flawless. Knowing that a properly-made and -compensated > > crystal takes time, I'd shy away from a company that has a very short > > turnaround. > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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Fine. If they have to take longer to provide the product, don't tell me delivery will be 4 weeks than take longer. The apology letter I received from them said nothing about a backlog of orders. As for the flawless part, I did not directly relate that to the time. I said I went with them due to their reputation. That is the reason why I didn't order from Bomar. In all the orders from Bomar, they always took how long they said. While I've never had a problem with them, I wanted to take out the extra 'insurance' of purchasing from ICM. I wasn't aware of the fact that the delivery time would suffer as much as it has. Joe M. Eric Lemmon wrote: > > Joe, > > I don't see a connection between how long the order takes and whether or not > the crystals are flawless. Knowing that a properly-made and -compensated > crystal takes time, I'd shy away from a company that has a very short > turnaround.
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My last few crystal orders went to West Crystal (www.westcrystal.com) in BC, Canada. In the 80's and early 90's I ordered from Bomar exclusively, and then started running into problems and switched to ICM. I was very happy with ICM for the next ten years or so, but their prices started to get pretty steep so I decided to try West Crystal on the recommendation of Dave KA9FUR and several others on this list and I've been pleased thus far. --- Jeff WN3A > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:51 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc > > Joe, > > I don't see a connection between how long the order takes and > whether or not > the crystals are flawless. Knowing that a properly-made and > -compensated > crystal takes time, I'd shy away from a company that has a very short > turnaround. > > Perhaps the longer turnaround time with orders at ICM is due > to ICM getting > a lot of new business from disgruntled customers of other > crystal suppliers. > > If you ever get the opportunity to tour the Bomar crystal > plant, do so, and > take plenty of pictures and keep careful notes. Follow a > particular crystal > order through the process from order-taking to shipment. > Then, do the same > thing at ICM. Write an article about your findings, and draw some > conclusions. I am quite certain it will be interesting! > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of MCH > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:39 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc > > I just went (actually, AM GOING) through an order with ICM. Boy have > they changed in the last 10 years. Orders take much longer than they > used to. I went with ICM because this particular order I wanted to be > flawless. I should have stuck with Bomar. > > Joe M. > > Jim Brown wrote: > > > > I use Bomar these days for crystals for the ham bands. I have had > > good luck installing them myself and re-adjusting them in a > year or so > > back to the right frequency. > > > > I recently worked on a GE Delta radio that had been crystaled using > > CUMEX and found the receive crystal had drifted over 2 kHz in the > > several years it had been in service. It was so far off it would not > > adust back to the original frequency until I ran the adjustment slug > > on down through the coil form and added another slug on top of it. > > Now with two slugs in the coil, it wound up back on frequency. I > > don't know if it will continue to drift, or if it has settled down, > > but for now it is working just fine. > > > > I used Marden for crystals until I got into a beef with them on a > > receive frequency and gave up after sending an operating > crystal back > > to them a couple of times and telling them what frequency > it operated > > on, and them sending it back and telling me what frequency they > > thought it operated on. > > > > 73 - Jim W5ZIT > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:w7hsg%40comcast.net> > <mailto:w7hsg%40comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel > > elements. > > > > Micor's and Mitrek > > > > Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is > > high. > > > > I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel > > elements and changing the caps as necessary > > > > to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El > > Paso but they seem to be gone > > > > Ralph, W7HSG > > > > From: Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:kris%40catonic.us> <mailto:kris%40catonic.us> > > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Radio > > recommendations ?? > > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:32:48 + > > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, wb6ymh wrote: > > > The 30 watt version is a better radio for repeater service > > since all > > > solid state transmitters are v
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Joe, I don't see a connection between how long the order takes and whether or not the crystals are flawless. Knowing that a properly-made and -compensated crystal takes time, I'd shy away from a company that has a very short turnaround. Perhaps the longer turnaround time with orders at ICM is due to ICM getting a lot of new business from disgruntled customers of other crystal suppliers. If you ever get the opportunity to tour the Bomar crystal plant, do so, and take plenty of pictures and keep careful notes. Follow a particular crystal order through the process from order-taking to shipment. Then, do the same thing at ICM. Write an article about your findings, and draw some conclusions. I am quite certain it will be interesting! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc I just went (actually, AM GOING) through an order with ICM. Boy have they changed in the last 10 years. Orders take much longer than they used to. I went with ICM because this particular order I wanted to be flawless. I should have stuck with Bomar. Joe M. Jim Brown wrote: > > I use Bomar these days for crystals for the ham bands. I have had > good luck installing them myself and re-adjusting them in a year or so > back to the right frequency. > > I recently worked on a GE Delta radio that had been crystaled using > CUMEX and found the receive crystal had drifted over 2 kHz in the > several years it had been in service. It was so far off it would not > adust back to the original frequency until I ran the adjustment slug > on down through the coil form and added another slug on top of it. > Now with two slugs in the coil, it wound up back on frequency. I > don't know if it will continue to drift, or if it has settled down, > but for now it is working just fine. > > I used Marden for crystals until I got into a beef with them on a > receive frequency and gave up after sending an operating crystal back > to them a couple of times and telling them what frequency it operated > on, and them sending it back and telling me what frequency they > thought it operated on. > > 73 - Jim W5ZIT > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:w7hsg%40comcast.net> wrote: > > Hi All > > Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel > elements. > > Micor's and Mitrek > > Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is > high. > > I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel > elements and changing the caps as necessary > > to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El > Paso but they seem to be gone > > Ralph, W7HSG > > From: Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:kris%40catonic.us> > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Radio > recommendations ?? > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:32:48 + > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, wb6ymh wrote: > > The 30 watt version is a better radio for repeater service > since all > > solid state transmitters are very inefficient when run > below their > > designed output. A 30 watt Mitrek running at 15 watts will > probably > > last forever, but a 50 watt Mitrek running at 20 watts > gets way too > > hot for my tastes. It would probably be ok with a fan, but > I really > > didn't want a fan for numerous reasons. > > Well the radio is only specified to run a certain percentage > in transmit > anyway, but at this point, you can probably get a dump-truck > load of > Mitreks for the asking. That will give you enough radios to > keep the > repeater running until Doomsday. All you need is a few > channel elements, > and you can skip using lightning protection altogether. > > If a Mitrek falls in the forest, does it make a noise? > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:kris%40catonic.us> > > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. > --rly > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com <http://mail.yahoo.com>
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> Ralph, > > Before you make a decision on your supplier, please read the following > article: > > > > Unless you have a testing laboratory Another respectable option: do the following: http://www.repeater-builder.com/projects/no6b-crystal-heater.html Then, your result will be even better where temp stability is concerned. *If one of the elements are FM for transmit, then I'd send them to the crystal house. Kevin Custer
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I just went (actually, AM GOING) through an order with ICM. Boy have they changed in the last 10 years. Orders take much longer than they used to. I went with ICM because this particular order I wanted to be flawless. I should have stuck with Bomar. Joe M. Jim Brown wrote: > > I use Bomar these days for crystals for the ham bands. I have had > good luck installing them myself and re-adjusting them in a year or so > back to the right frequency. > > I recently worked on a GE Delta radio that had been crystaled using > CUMEX and found the receive crystal had drifted over 2 kHz in the > several years it had been in service. It was so far off it would not > adust back to the original frequency until I ran the adjustment slug > on down through the coil form and added another slug on top of it. > Now with two slugs in the coil, it wound up back on frequency. I > don't know if it will continue to drift, or if it has settled down, > but for now it is working just fine. > > I used Marden for crystals until I got into a beef with them on a > receive frequency and gave up after sending an operating crystal back > to them a couple of times and telling them what frequency it operated > on, and them sending it back and telling me what frequency they > thought it operated on. > > 73 - Jim W5ZIT > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi All > > Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel > elements. > > Micor's and Mitrek > > Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is > high. > > I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel > elements and changing the caps as necessary > > to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El > Paso but they seem to be gone > > Ralph, W7HSG > > From: Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Radio > recommendations ?? > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:32:48 + > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, wb6ymh wrote: > > The 30 watt version is a better radio for repeater service > since all > > solid state transmitters are very inefficient when run > below their > > designed output. A 30 watt Mitrek running at 15 watts will > probably > > last forever, but a 50 watt Mitrek running at 20 watts > gets way too > > hot for my tastes. It would probably be ok with a fan, but > I really > > didn't want a fan for numerous reasons. > > Well the radio is only specified to run a certain percentage > in transmit > anyway, but at this point, you can probably get a dump-truck > load of > Mitreks for the asking. That will give you enough radios to > keep the > repeater running until Doomsday. All you need is a few > channel elements, > and you can skip using lightning protection altogether. > > If a Mitrek falls in the forest, does it make a noise? > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. > --rly > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
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I use Bomar these days for crystals for the ham bands. I have had good luck installing them myself and re-adjusting them in a year or so back to the right frequency. I recently worked on a GE Delta radio that had been crystaled using CUMEX and found the receive crystal had drifted over 2 kHz in the several years it had been in service. It was so far off it would not adust back to the original frequency until I ran the adjustment slug on down through the coil form and added another slug on top of it. Now with two slugs in the coil, it wound up back on frequency. I don't know if it will continue to drift, or if it has settled down, but for now it is working just fine. I used Marden for crystals until I got into a beef with them on a receive frequency and gave up after sending an operating crystal back to them a couple of times and telling them what frequency it operated on, and them sending it back and telling me what frequency they thought it operated on. 73 - Jim W5ZIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. Micor's and Mitrek Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is high. I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel elements and changing the caps as necessary to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El Paso but they seem to be gone Ralph, W7HSG From: Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Radio recommendations ?? Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:32:48 + On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, wb6ymh wrote: > The 30 watt version is a better radio for repeater service since all > solid state transmitters are very inefficient when run below their > designed output. A 30 watt Mitrek running at 15 watts will probably > last forever, but a 50 watt Mitrek running at 20 watts gets way too > hot for my tastes. It would probably be ok with a fan, but I really > didn't want a fan for numerous reasons. Well the radio is only specified to run a certain percentage in transmit anyway, but at this point, you can probably get a dump-truck load of Mitreks for the asking. That will give you enough radios to keep the repeater running until Doomsday. All you need is a few channel elements, and you can skip using lightning protection altogether. If a Mitrek falls in the forest, does it make a noise? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Eric, Thanks for the reply Lab is not equal to testing lab but is OK. Cumex were cheap crystals and managed to compensate ok. Bomar which everyone seems to recommend makes much better crystals. I have a small oven and an ERI counter good to .1 hz at 440. I can cycle and adjust within reason. Ralph -- Original message -- From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ralph, > > Before you make a decision on your supplier, please read the following > article: > > > > Unless you have a testing laboratory equal to that found in a commercial > crystal house, I suspect that your "good luck" is more likely "blind luck", > and does not justify putting new crystals in previously-compensated channel > elements. I and many others believe that the $30 extra spent for a full > compensation is money well spent. Otherwise, your crystal that you think is > doing just fine may have deficiencies that you don't know about, and don't > have the equipment to detect. > > I'm not just talking about rare cases here- a local 220 repeater was > notorious for drifting rapidly off frequency during extended net operation > and distorted audio. It was a converted Mastr II that the owner recrystaled > himself. When confronted with the complaint that the frequency drifted, he > was in denial because he said he bought the crystal from ICM! Once the > crystal was sent back to ICM with the ICOM and fully compensated for $30, > the repeater worked perfectly. Not only was the drifting problem solved, > but the audio clarity was profoundly improved. It seems that the ICOM was > originally compensated for a factory-made crystal that had different > characteristics from the new crystal made by ICM. Since ICM was not given > the ICOM in advance, ICM had no way to test or modify the ICOM to work > properly with the new crystal. In my book, it makes sense to always get the > full compensation of a new crystal to the ICOM or channel element. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:22 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc > > Hi All > > Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. > > Micor's and Mitrek > > Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is high. > > I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel elements and changing > the caps as necessary > > to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El Paso but they seem > to be gone > > Ralph, W7HSG > > --- Begin Message --- Ralph, Before you make a decision on your supplier, please read the following article: builder.com/tech-info/temperature-compensation.html> Unless you have a testing laboratory equal to that found in a commercial crystal house, I suspect that your "good luck" is more likely "blind luck", and does not justify putting new crystals in previously-compensated channel elements. I and many others believe that the $30 extra spent for a full compensation is money well spent. Otherwise, your crystal that you think is doing just fine may have deficiencies that you don't know about, and don't have the equipment to detect. I'm not just talking about rare cases here- a local 220 repeater was notorious for drifting rapidly off frequency during extended net operation and distorted audio. It was a converted Mastr II that the owner recrystaled himself. When confronted with the complaint that the frequency drifted, he was in denial because he said he bought the crystal from ICM! Once the crystal was sent back to ICM with the ICOM and fully compensated for $30, the repeater worked perfectly. Not only was the drifting problem solved, but the audio clarity was profoundly improved. It seems that the ICOM was originally compensated for a factory-made crystal that had different characteristics from the new crystal made by ICM. Since ICM was not given the ICOM in advance, ICM had no way to test or modify the ICOM to work properly with the new crystal. In my book, it makes sense to always get the full compensation of a new crystal to the ICOM or channel element. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]net Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc Hi All Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. Micor's and Mitrek
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Ralph, Before you make a decision on your supplier, please read the following article: Unless you have a testing laboratory equal to that found in a commercial crystal house, I suspect that your "good luck" is more likely "blind luck", and does not justify putting new crystals in previously-compensated channel elements. I and many others believe that the $30 extra spent for a full compensation is money well spent. Otherwise, your crystal that you think is doing just fine may have deficiencies that you don't know about, and don't have the equipment to detect. I'm not just talking about rare cases here- a local 220 repeater was notorious for drifting rapidly off frequency during extended net operation and distorted audio. It was a converted Mastr II that the owner recrystaled himself. When confronted with the complaint that the frequency drifted, he was in denial because he said he bought the crystal from ICM! Once the crystal was sent back to ICM with the ICOM and fully compensated for $30, the repeater worked perfectly. Not only was the drifting problem solved, but the audio clarity was profoundly improved. It seems that the ICOM was originally compensated for a factory-made crystal that had different characteristics from the new crystal made by ICM. Since ICM was not given the ICOM in advance, ICM had no way to test or modify the ICOM to work properly with the new crystal. In my book, it makes sense to always get the full compensation of a new crystal to the ICOM or channel element. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc Hi All Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. Micor's and Mitrek Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is high. I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel elements and changing the caps as necessary to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El Paso but they seem to be gone Ralph, W7HSG
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Ralph, Check out BOMAR crystals. You might be surprised at their prices. Also, I believe that Repeater-Builder, the company, uses them. Check in with Kevin and Scott to get all of the particulars. Go here: http://www.bomarcrystal.com/home3.htm Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc > Hi All > > Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. > > Micor's and Mitrek > > Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is high. > > I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel elements and changing > the caps as necessary > > to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El Paso but they > seem to be gone > > Ralph, W7HSG > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > !DSPAM:1016,472d1a3b914631450673570! >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc
Repeater Builder uses BOMAR for the most part, ICM for the rest. http://www.bomarcrystal.com/ Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi All > > Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. > > Micor's and Mitrek > > Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is high. > > I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel elements and changing > the caps as necessary > > to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El Paso but they seem > to be gone > > Ralph, W7HSG
[Repeater-Builder] Crystals Motorola etc
Hi All Looking for information on who makes crystals for channel elements. Micor's and Mitrek Yes, I know that International makes them but the price is high. I have had good luck putting crystals in old channel elements and changing the caps as necessary to achieve reasonable stability. Used to use CUMEX in El Paso but they seem to be gone Ralph, W7HSG --- Begin Message --- On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, wb6ymh wrote: > The 30 watt version is a better radio for repeater service since all > solid state transmitters are very inefficient when run below their > designed output. A 30 watt Mitrek running at 15 watts will probably > last forever, but a 50 watt Mitrek running at 20 watts gets way too > hot for my tastes. It would probably be ok with a fan, but I really > didn't want a fan for numerous reasons. Well the radio is only specified to run a certain percentage in transmit anyway, but at this point, you can probably get a dump-truck load of Mitreks for the asking. That will give you enough radios to keep the repeater running until Doomsday. All you need is a few channel elements, and you can skip using lightning protection altogether. If a Mitrek falls in the forest, does it make a noise? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]us> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly --- End Message ---
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals for peaking generator?
Depending on the model of Motorola peaking generator you possess determines the type and freq. of the xtal you can use in it. The later model accomodates 20-32pF xtals from about 4-5 MHz to about 15 MHz, negating the need for the xtal to be 1/2 the output freq. for a 10.7 MHz out. Any use of series resonant xtals will result in the output to be at some higher indirect multiple freq. WA9ZZU George Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anybody got a surplus 5350 KHz crystal (10.7 MHz out) crystal for a Motorola peaking generator that they'd be willing to part with? I'd also be interested in crystals in the 7700 to 7800 range, to cover roughly 462 - 468. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413
[Repeater-Builder] Crystals for peaking generator?
Anybody got a surplus 5350 KHz crystal (10.7 MHz out) crystal for a Motorola peaking generator that they'd be willing to part with? I'd also be interested in crystals in the 7700 to 7800 range, to cover roughly 462 - 468. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413
[Repeater-Builder] crystals for repeaters
Hi all, When building repeaters many of us use older, but still very good equipment such as Motorola and GE. The newer stuff that cost thousands are what the commerical guys use, but repeaters made from older units work great and can be had for much less. This often means the need for crystals. I spend about $1500 to $2000 each year on crystals and I only buy good crystals, DEFFINITY NO NO NO JAN. I have seen some of the best manufactures either go out of business or lower their standards to the point the quality goes to pot. Two manufactures I use are International Crystal and BOMAR. Both make an excellent crystal. If you need one or more all you need is the frequency, the radio, a method of payment and a phone. NOW TO MY REAL POINT. >From International they want $19.95 per crystal for 2 week crystals, but they are now shipping 3 weeks plus. For a pair for a repeater with UPS ground shipping this comes to about $47. A couple months back this was at 6 weeks. So I had to find another source and it was BOMAR. They cost more, about same good quality, but did deliever in 2 weeks. However, they have a $50 min order so to meet this they put my crystal orders on 2 weeks which made the cost $25 each and with shipping came to $60 for one pair. Then one day I had to have 6 crystals, 3 repeater pairs. I placed the order and the cost was $10 per crystal and with shipping $70. WHAT $60 for one pair and $70 for 3 pairs and all of the crystals were 6 different freqs. The catch was with the min order. For 3 pair at $70, $10 per, the order went to 3 to 4 weeks and this is the standard cost. But to meet the $50 for one pair had to be 1-2 weeks. So now if I need one pair I still order 3 for some day I will need the extra 2. So if you are going to crystal a repeater and have a vision of adding a remote base later, you would probably know the freq, order 3 pairs. One pair could be for a back up repeater. I know commerical users need the crystals now for time is money to them. For many of us 3-4 weeks is eaten up just building the repeater so no time is really lost. Have the repeater built and ready for the crystals. On my last order to BOMAR for some reason the 3-4 weeks became about 10 days. Guess they had time or probably a mix up, but I was happy and for $70 for all. Iternational 800-725-1426 (OK) BOMAR 800-526-3935 (NJ) 73, ron, n9ee/r Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals
Link worked for me, so is a valid link. Kevin. - Original Message - From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals > Rakon has offices and plants in several countries besides New Zealand. > The > North American sales office can be reached at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Rakon > home > page is at > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > Ronny Julian wrote: > >> I tried http://www.rakon.co.nz but it times out. Am I using the correct >> URL? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kevin & Natalia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals >> >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > If you ever want crystals again, think about going off-shore, our >> > crystal >> company, Rakon, located in Auckland, New Zealand produces some of the >> best >> crystals around. And they are not that expensive at all. Got a pair a >> couple >> > of months ago, and cost $29 each (about US$18). They do ship worldwide. >> They can be found at rakon.co.nz... > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals
Rakon has offices and plants in several countries besides New Zealand. The North American sales office can be reached at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Rakon home page is at 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Ronny Julian wrote: > I tried http://www.rakon.co.nz but it times out. Am I using the correct URL? > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin & Natalia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > Hi Guys, > > > > If you ever want crystals again, think about going off-shore, our crystal > company, Rakon, located in Auckland, New Zealand produces some of the best > crystals around. And they are not that expensive at all. Got a pair a couple > > of months ago, and cost $29 each (about US$18). They do ship worldwide. > They can be found at rakon.co.nz... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
I tried http://www.rakon.co.nz but it times out. Am I using the correct URL? - Original Message - From: "Kevin & Natalia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > Hi Guys, > > If you ever want crystals again, think about going off-shore, our crystal > company, Rakon, located in Auckland, New Zealand produces some of the best > crystals around. And they are not that expensive at all. Got a pair a couple > of months ago, and cost $29 each (about US$18). They do ship worldwide. > They can be found at rakon.co.nz > > Just an added comment, I have used USPS to ship nearly 90% of items I > purchase from the States. In all cases, I have received the parcels in good > condition, and quick. I recently ordered a TS-480S, was mailed on a US > Wednesday (NZ Thursday), and was at my door on the Monday, 4-5 days > depending on how one looks at it. > I have used DHL, FedEx and one other company, and the hassles I had to get > the parcel, and the cost. NZ mail, which USPS sends it to, lets NZ customs > decide, all the others automatically put the extra customs tax on > regardless, even if there is an exception. Part of their policy. (Got a > little off) > > Regards, and thanks for reading my 5 cents worth. (2 cents is no longer used > in NZ, and soon to be no 5 cents either.) > > Kevin, ZL1KFM. > > - Original Message - > From: "Nick Papadonis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > > Rich Garcia wrote: > >> Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you > >> hear > >> of a lot of complaints. > >> > > > > Yup. They indicated my crystal was shipped, however I never received. > > Next time I'm not using USPS Parcel! > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Hi Guys, If you ever want crystals again, think about going off-shore, our crystal company, Rakon, located in Auckland, New Zealand produces some of the best crystals around. And they are not that expensive at all. Got a pair a couple of months ago, and cost $29 each (about US$18). They do ship worldwide. They can be found at rakon.co.nz Just an added comment, I have used USPS to ship nearly 90% of items I purchase from the States. In all cases, I have received the parcels in good condition, and quick. I recently ordered a TS-480S, was mailed on a US Wednesday (NZ Thursday), and was at my door on the Monday, 4-5 days depending on how one looks at it. I have used DHL, FedEx and one other company, and the hassles I had to get the parcel, and the cost. NZ mail, which USPS sends it to, lets NZ customs decide, all the others automatically put the extra customs tax on regardless, even if there is an exception. Part of their policy. (Got a little off) Regards, and thanks for reading my 5 cents worth. (2 cents is no longer used in NZ, and soon to be no 5 cents either.) Kevin, ZL1KFM. - Original Message - From: "Nick Papadonis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > Rich Garcia wrote: >> Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you >> hear >> of a lot of complaints. >> > > Yup. They indicated my crystal was shipped, however I never received. > Next time I'm not using USPS Parcel! > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Rich Garcia wrote: > Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear > of a lot of complaints. > Yup. They indicated my crystal was shipped, however I never received. Next time I'm not using USPS Parcel! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Years ago, I worked for local county radio shop ... (ok I was the county radio shop for those who remember.) The various fire departments in the county wanted to change to a dispatch frequency so, after getting licensed et al, a couple of the fire departments asked me to assist changing frequencies on all the pagers. I called International and Jan and obtained prices. Then I met with the department chiefs describing Internationl is expensive but the crystals are stable ... vs ... Jan is cheap but you'll pay for it later as the stability is poor to none at all. The two fire departments chose International Crystal. Over the next few years, the crystals purchased from International Crystal - were very frequency stable and seldom needed adjustment. One other much larger fire department chose Jan Crystals and had the city hired radio shop change the crystals ... not involving me. Over the next few years, their pagers were reportedly in the radio shop frequently for readjustment. Hope the above assists you in making your decision. Neil McKie - WA6KLA Paul Guello wrote: > > I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and > International is good too, but expensive. > Paul, kb9wlc > > --- Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Best places I ran accross that are still making > > crystals are International, > > 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a > > pair including shipping > > International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 > > with true 2 weeks. Think > > both are about the same and make a very good crystal > > and are well worth the > > extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. > > > > Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. > > > > This is just the crystals for you to install in > > ICOMs. Both have ICOM > > service, but cost much more. > > > > 73, ron, n9ee/r > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Wright > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a > > manufacture of repeaters and > > repeater controllers since 1988. > > You may see our products at > > http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at > > 727-376-6575. > > Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL > > 34653 USA > > > > Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, > > 1175 ft HAAT, > > in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also > > has ECHOLINK, node 79540. > > > > > > Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator > > Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. > > Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the > > National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. > > > > see our web page at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ > > > > All are welcome. > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
RichWest Crystal is not in Ontario...it is in British Columbia...some 3,000 miles to the west ! John VE3AMZ Waterloo Ontario. - Original Message - From: "Rich Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear > of a lot of complaints. > > Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in > the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away > from me in NJ but I quit using them. > > In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they > gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a > perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE > follow this suggestion...do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster > cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for > Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West > Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 > times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. > > Rich > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Guello > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:53 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and > International is good too, but expensive. > Paul, kb9wlc > > --- Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Best places I ran accross that are still making > > crystals are International, > > 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a > > pair including shipping > > International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 > > with true 2 weeks. Think > > both are about the same and make a very good crystal > > and are well worth the > > extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. > > > > Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. > > > > This is just the crystals for you to install in > > ICOMs. Both have ICOM > > service, but cost much more. > > > > 73, ron, n9ee/r > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Wright > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a > > manufacture of repeaters and > > repeater controllers since 1988. > > You may see our products at > > http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at > > 727-376-6575. > > Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL > > 34653 USA > > > > Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, > > 1175 ft HAAT, > > in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also > > has ECHOLINK, node 79540. > > > > > > Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator > > Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. > > Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the > > National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. > > > > see our web page at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM > > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > > > > Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master > > II . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Sorry my error they are not in Ontario but in Kelowna, BC brain spaz there. Either way a fine friendly bunch of people. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Garcia Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear of a lot of complaints. Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away from me in NJ but I quit using them. In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE follow this suggestion...do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Guello Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:53 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Best places I ran accross that are still making > crystals are International, > 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a > pair including shipping > International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 > with true 2 weeks. Think > both are about the same and make a very good crystal > and are well worth the > extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. > > Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. > > This is just the crystals for you to install in > ICOMs. Both have ICOM > service, but cost much more. > > 73, ron, n9ee/r > > > > > > Ron Wright > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a > manufacture of repeaters and > repeater controllers since 1988. > You may see our products at > http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at > 727-376-6575. > Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL > 34653 USA > > Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, > 1175 ft HAAT, > in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also > has ECHOLINK, node 79540. > > > Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator > Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. > Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the > National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. > > see our web page at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ > > All are welcome. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > > Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master > II . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear of a lot of complaints. Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away from me in NJ but I quit using them. In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE follow this suggestion...do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Guello Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:53 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Best places I ran accross that are still making > crystals are International, > 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a > pair including shipping > International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 > with true 2 weeks. Think > both are about the same and make a very good crystal > and are well worth the > extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. > > Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. > > This is just the crystals for you to install in > ICOMs. Both have ICOM > service, but cost much more. > > 73, ron, n9ee/r > > > > > > Ron Wright > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a > manufacture of repeaters and > repeater controllers since 1988. > You may see our products at > http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at > 727-376-6575. > Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL > 34653 USA > > Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, > 1175 ft HAAT, > in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also > has ECHOLINK, node 79540. > > > Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator > Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. > Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the > National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. > > see our web page at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ > > All are welcome. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > > Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master > II . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
I thought Bomar only charged $10.00 per xtal so long as you don't need them right away. I've used Jan for years, this is the first xtal that I have had a problem with. Mathew YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Best places I ran accross that are still making > crystals are International, > 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a > pair including shipping > International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 > with true 2 weeks. Think > both are about the same and make a very good crystal > and are well worth the > extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. > > Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. > > This is just the crystals for you to install in > ICOMs. Both have ICOM > service, but cost much more. > > 73, ron, n9ee/r > > > > > > Ron Wright > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a > manufacture of repeaters and > repeater controllers since 1988. > You may see our products at > http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at > 727-376-6575. > Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL > 34653 USA > > Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, > 1175 ft HAAT, > in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also > has ECHOLINK, node 79540. > > > Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator > Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. > Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the > National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. > > see our web page at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ > > All are welcome. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > > > Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master > II . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Best places I ran accross that are still making crystals are International, 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a pair including shipping International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 with true 2 weeks. Think both are about the same and make a very good crystal and are well worth the extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. This is just the crystals for you to install in ICOMs. Both have ICOM service, but cost much more. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. > [Original Message] > From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > > Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
International Crystal -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:41:22 PM CDT From: "gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals > Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
http://www.westcrystal.com/index2.html >From: "gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:26:14 - > >Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] crystals
Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystals, TC'ing and stuff
All, >I use West Crystal in Canada,take advantage of the currency exchange rate! > I inquired (on the phone) to West Crystal about their recrystaling of elements and ICOM's. I ask them if they do Temperature Compensation of the element, and after quite a while the engineer finally admitted they simply install the new crystal and "Net" it on frequency by changing the parallel capacitor to achieve "on frequency" in the center of the trimmer action. I'm not saying anyone should not use West Crystal for your needs, just beware that when they try to persuade you to send your element to them for recrystaling, it won't be TC'ed, but it will be on frequency. My point here is that "Netting" and "TC'ing" aren't the same thing... Kevin Custer Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] crystals
Does anyone have a pair of crystals for a MASTRII TX 146.700 RX 146.100 that you would like to part with at a good price? 73 AC0Y Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
I should have added that I will not buy from Sentry myself. I bought a pair for Mastr II, gave them the ICOM part numbers, and they screwed it up badly. Claim I need to send my ICOM's to them because I was taking them out of band (from 154 to 146 is out of band to their blithering minds). I should call them one of these days and ask when the hell are they going to send me a working pair. meantime, I was given a set that were for the pair I had ordered, and installed them in the same ICOM's that Sentry's junk would not work in. I'm not sure if I should try asking them to redo and send a pair for a 440 pair that I will be using sometime down the road, after I move to the Mojave California area. I want a pair that will work, not more junk. I was only using the size as a reference. Wayne WA2YNE Outgoing and incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by NORTON 2004 anti-virus system - Original Message - From: "Matt Krick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II > The last two times I tried dealing with Sentry they came off like > blithering idiots. For the same cost I went with ICM, They actually knew > exactly how to cut the crystals for the radios I have and the style case > to put them in, Marti STL-10 and R-10 and UHF Custom MVP. Takes 2 weeks > and they ship UPS. I sleep my victory knowing that the radio station is > banging away with ICM goodness. > > The last Sentry crystals I got would drift pretty bad in the radio and > needed to be re-tuned every month for a year and a half. > > Wayne wrote: > > > From what Sentry told me, many xtal makers no longer make the larger sized > >shells. > > Size of the shell is not what makes the crystal work. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
many years ago I had problems with ICM and switch to Bomar and never went back always happy. John - Original Message - From: "Matt Krick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II > The last two times I tried dealing with Sentry they came off like > blithering idiots. For the same cost I went with ICM, They actually knew > exactly how to cut the crystals for the radios I have and the style case > to put them in, Marti STL-10 and R-10 and UHF Custom MVP. Takes 2 weeks > and they ship UPS. I sleep my victory knowing that the radio station is > banging away with ICM goodness. > > The last Sentry crystals I got would drift pretty bad in the radio and > needed to be re-tuned every month for a year and a half. > > Wayne wrote: > > > From what Sentry told me, many xtal makers no longer make the larger sized > >shells. > > Size of the shell is not what makes the crystal work. > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
The last two times I tried dealing with Sentry they came off like blithering idiots. For the same cost I went with ICM, They actually knew exactly how to cut the crystals for the radios I have and the style case to put them in, Marti STL-10 and R-10 and UHF Custom MVP. Takes 2 weeks and they ship UPS. I sleep my victory knowing that the radio station is banging away with ICM goodness. The last Sentry crystals I got would drift pretty bad in the radio and needed to be re-tuned every month for a year and a half. Wayne wrote: > From what Sentry told me, many xtal makers no longer make the larger sized >shells. > Size of the shell is not what makes the crystal work. > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
From what Sentry told me, many xtal makers no longer make the larger sized shells. Size of the shell is not what makes the crystal work. - Original Message - From: "Larry Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II > I was wondering about the physical size of the crystals for > a ge mastr II uhf mobile? > I ordered some crystals and when they came in they are the small type. > The same size a > mitrek takes. The crystals that are in the icoms I have are bigger. Was > wondering if I have > the right icoms.. > > > Larry KB8VUM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
They will be fine, don't foget to swap in that plastic disk for insulation. To set rx freq. inject 11.2 from hf rig into dummy load - transmit on freq. with walky into a dummy load, you hear a beat - zero this beat. Larry Thomas wrote: > > I was wondering about the physical size of the crystals for > a ge mastr II uhf mobile? > I ordered some crystals and when they came in they are the small type. > The same size a > mitrek takes. The crystals that are in the icoms I have are bigger. Was > wondering if I have > the right icoms.. > > Larry KB8VUM > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- 73...Clark Beckman N8PZD Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, ß227, "Any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of $500.00 U.S.". E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastrII
Lee, Thanks...just wanted to make sure... Larry KB8VUM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
Thats normal,put 'em in... - Original Message - From: "Larry Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II : I was wondering about the physical size of the crystals for : a ge mastr II uhf mobile? : I ordered some crystals and when they came in they are the small type. : The same size a : mitrek takes. The crystals that are in the icoms I have are bigger. Was : wondering if I have : the right icoms.. : : : Larry KB8VUM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] crystals for uhf mastr II
I was wondering about the physical size of the crystals for a ge mastr II uhf mobile? I ordered some crystals and when they came in they are the small type. The same size a mitrek takes. The crystals that are in the icoms I have are bigger. Was wondering if I have the right icoms.. Larry KB8VUM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
