Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
Okay, so where's the historical record that Wilson *condemned* this film? that he argued that blacks weren't as portrayed in it? I haven't ever seen those. I know the history: he said things and made moves early on to halfway help blacks (or at least not hurt us), but in short order tacitly, passively and actively encouraged further segregation in this country. And come on: saying he didn't approve the film, but only said he saw the Klan as a natural outgrowth of the lawlessness of the South? What am I supposed to do with that, accept it? It still shows a level of racism, bigotry and insensitivity endemic to white men of that time. And at some point we have to quit saying eveyrone was doing it, it was expedient, and just say it was wrong. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:36:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide This is not entirely accurate. Thomas Dixon, author of the source play The Clansman, was a former classmate of President Woodrow Wilson at Johns Hopkins University. Dixon arranged a screening at the White House, for Wilson, members of his cabinet, and their families. Wilson was reported to have commented of the film that it is like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true. In Wilson: the new freedom, Arthur Link quotes Wilson's aide, Joseph Tumulty, who denied Wilson said this and also claims that the President was entirely unaware of the nature of the play before it was presented and at no time has expressed his approbation of it. However, Woodrow Wilson's History of the American People explained the Ku Klux Klan of the late 1860s as the natural outgrowth of Reconstruction, a lawless reaction to a lawless period. Wilson noted that the Klan began to attempt by intimidation what they were not allowed to attempt by the ballot or by any ordered course of public action.[11] In the film, approbation for the Klan, citing Wilson's History, is directly quoted. Relentless in publicizing the film, Dixon was apparently the source for the quotation. It has been repeated so often in print that it has taken on a separate life. Dixon went so far as to promote the film as Federally endorsed. After controversy over the film had grown, Wilson wrote that he disapproved of the unfortunate production. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: And President Woodrow Wilson, after seeing a private screening of Birth of a Nation at the White House, called it the most important movie ever made. No surprise: he presided over a lot of decisions that strengthened segregation in a wide swath of American life. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:20:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of the kkk and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are still with us today. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Content aside, Gone with the Wind like Birth of a Nation is savvy, populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at all costs as the narratives will suck you in. Nation is truly remarkable on just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W. Griffith was a cinematic genius. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With the Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia, over a hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit. Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only eighty-seven thousand? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
Doesn't do a lot for me. I stand by the women I listed below as being prettier, sexier, and more attractive in personality. But that's just me, this is truly a matter of personal taste. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot. I see you and raise you: ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin
I really liked Who Am I?, but agree with you. His humour gets a bit over the top, especially that movie Rumble in the Bronx. I know that Chan's thing is humour, but I really wish he'd do more serious stuff. His moves lent to pure drama could be amazing. It's why I prefer Jet Li: serious and seriously skilled. I was looking forward to their pairing in The Forbidden Kingdom, only to be crushed when it turned out to have more humour, and they felt the need to add a dopey white kid to the story. What a waste... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin I'm not fond of his recent stuff, the Rush Hour movies in particular. I loved his stuff from the 70s and 80s, especially his Police Story movies. Not much in plot either, but I think of the action in ADD terms, hit points for each blow taken/delivered. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:18:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin I'm not a fan of his. I enjoyed some of his big stunts, and the stuff he did in the 70s, but that's about it. The Geisha movie is just a bit cartoony. It isn't a complete movie really. Like I said no plot. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: If it's primarily wire fu, then I won't like it. Even when I was young, watching the Saturday afternoon kung-fu movie block, I found myself frowning at the wire sequences, without really knowing why. My first Jackie Chan flick was like manna from the gods. Just saw Operation Condor for the umpteenth time, and I still found myself jumping with glee, as if seeing it for the first time. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:43:12 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin First off this movie is definitely Saturday matinee faire. Very little plot and mostly all action. It took over half of the movie before I learned what the main character's name is, but she is apparently out to get revenge for her dead father. This required her to attack her father's killer while dressed as a geisha. Anyone that has studied geisha would know that being a geisha is a martial art within itself. She takes on many different fighters from ninja to a monk. Many of the fight scenes are run of the mill wire fu scenes, but there are some exceptions. One scene in particular drops the wire fu and goes for realism in a hand to hand combat scene. Very nice job. But alas it is mostly martial art eye candy. :) -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent
It makes everyone look bad when you put your stuff out here like this. Settle this stuff privately as possible and move on. Too many people nowadays feel they have to shout I was wronged! to the world at large, when women and men every day get wronged by someone they trusted. And again, I'm not sure how much of this was all him being the lying manipulator, so Imma hold judgement putting it all on him. - Original Message - From: everything...@nyc.rr.com To: Dorothy Hamm dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Cc: Daryle ' 'Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com, afrikanm...@hotmail.com, Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com, bettil...@msn.com, Cinq cinque3...@verizon.net, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net, GTW gwashin...@aol.com, Jeffrey Ballou jeffreypbal...@gmail.com, Kai killa...@gmail.com, kalpub...@aol.com, Kera imke...@gmail.com, Leroy Hughes seriousnup...@yahoo.com, Logic logic1...@aol.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@icqmail.com, Marvalous mmb1...@gmail.com, Michael Gordon gord...@indiana.edu, michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com, rs...@yahoo.com, Valery Jean valeryjea...@yahoo.com, Wendell Theophilus Smith wendellsmit...@gmail.com, Whitney J Evans sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net, williamsf...@speakeasy.net, Zanfordino Anthony beta...@yahoo.com, tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:45:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent I'm not saying she should have done what she did particularly because putting your business all on front street is embarrassing on her part too, but homeboy is hardly a victim. I'm not sure of the children situation but outside of that what innocent people? It seems he did her pretty dirty and led her on for a long, long time. That mess of a situation is between him her, and I guess his wife. As long as she didn't physically disfigure or seriously injure dude he needs to eat that and keep it moving. I don't feel anything for him. --Original Message-- From: Dorothy Hamm To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com To: Keith Johnson Cc: Daryle ' 'Lockhart Cc: afrikanm...@hotmail.com Cc: Albert Fields Cc: bettil...@msn.com Cc: Cinq Cc: duva...@hotmail.com Cc: fis...@bellsouth.net Cc: GTW Cc: Jeffrey Ballou Cc: Kai Cc: kalpub...@aol.com Cc: Kera Cc: Leroy Hughes Cc: Logic Cc: Martin Baxter Cc: Marvalous Cc: Michael Gordon Cc: michael v w gordon Cc: ravenadal Cc: rs...@yahoo.com Cc: Myself Cc: Valery Jean Cc: Wendell Theophilus Smith Cc: Whitney J Evans Cc: williamsf...@speakeasy.net Cc: Zanfordino Anthony Cc: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent Sent: Jan 26, 2010 3:18 PM Yeah, I get it too. She doesn't get mad--she gets even. And if innocent people get hurt in the process..well that's too bad. I have to wonder if she would do this if her former lover had not had connections to Obama. She had to know that her action adds a bit of fuel to the republican's destroy Obama by any means fire. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 1:37 PM I didn't think you were defending her. I get it.Weird stuff. Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:48:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent I know it sounded like I was defending her. I wasn’t . I wanted to try to understand what could possess her to go off like that and not I get it. I do not think she is justified. Like I said she is a loon. I don’t excuse her behavior – I just think aftger reading everything I better understand it – at least more than when I read the lead. I think she embarrassed herself incredibly, and did more harm to herself than him. Also she is not a well known actress, so if he left her with money as it seems that has, she wasted a lot on those billboards. Someone on the list said she may never get a man to date her again. That could be an understatement. That type of stuff scares away female friends too. Also, I do not see her getting any acting work anytime soon. If anything, I think she needs some psychiatric help. From:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Don't think i'm letting him off the hook if that's true. I just find the response sad. i guess all this Facebook/Twitter/Internet/TMZ exposure is getting to me: everyone's putting their business out nowadays, and it's just really sad. Oh well, could be worse, I guess: she could have Bobbitted hi Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
Yeah man! Does it for me way more than Halle Berry. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:04:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish (sigh) He said Nia long...(sigh) Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 3:02 PM Doesn't do a lot for me. I stand by the women I listed below as being prettier, sexier, and more attractive in personality. But that's just me, this is truly a matter of personal taste. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot. I see you and raise you: ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
I was never enamored of Ms. Grier (sacrilege I know!), but poor Lisa Nicole Carson did it for me! Too bad she seems to be suffering from serious emotional problems. Nola Gaye, yes indeed. And let's not forget Lola Falana and Dianne Carroll. Oh--and Sofia Vergara from Modern Family. Wow, wow, wow! Halle who? - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:40:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish I've met and seen folk who look better naked and others who look great in clothes...Halle is the latter...Yeah, I know there are some who look great bothe ways...I am a school of the full-figured 60's and 70's genre No one mentioned Nola Gaye, Lisa Nicole Carson, Pam Grier (who does not need to be mentioned along with Raquel or Sophia) and a few other youngsters whom I have trouble remembering...Nope, didn't forget Tracey either (wink!)... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:48 AM --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot. I see you and raise you: ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
I'm actually surprised at how this show's production value. It is a green screen mess... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:53:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300. There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: (standing ovation) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ ... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a young person ask another How's it going? Lazy... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a similar word back then. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good
Re: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin
Back to stupid suits trying to add people to a film they think will pull in key demographics. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin I'm glad that you brought that up. That seems to be a big trend lately and I hate it! Just because they are speaking English doesn't mean they need white people in a Chinese movie. :( Totally ruins it for me. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I really liked Who Am I?, but agree with you. His humour gets a bit over the top, especially that movie Rumble in the Bronx. I know that Chan's thing is humour, but I really wish he'd do more serious stuff. His moves lent to pure drama could be amazing. It's why I prefer Jet Li: serious and seriously skilled. I was looking forward to their pairing in The Forbidden Kingdom, only to be crushed when it turned out to have more humour, and they felt the need to add a dopey white kid to the story. What a waste... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin I'm not fond of his recent stuff, the Rush Hour movies in particular. I loved his stuff from the 70s and 80s, especially his Police Story movies. Not much in plot either, but I think of the action in ADD terms, hit points for each blow taken/delivered. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:18:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin I'm not a fan of his. I enjoyed some of his big stunts, and the stuff he did in the 70s, but that's about it. The Geisha movie is just a bit cartoony. It isn't a complete movie really. Like I said no plot. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: If it's primarily wire fu, then I won't like it. Even when I was young, watching the Saturday afternoon kung-fu movie block, I found myself frowning at the wire sequences, without really knowing why. My first Jackie Chan flick was like manna from the gods. Just saw Operation Condor for the umpteenth time, and I still found myself jumping with glee, as if seeing it for the first time. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:43:12 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Movie - Geisha Assassin First off this movie is definitely Saturday matinee faire. Very little plot and mostly all action. It took over half of the movie before I learned what the main character's name is, but she is apparently out to get revenge for her dead father. This required her to attack her father's killer while dressed as a geisha. Anyone that has studied geisha would know that being a geisha is a martial art within itself. She takes on many different fighters from ninja to a monk. Many of the fight scenes are run of the mill wire fu scenes, but there are some exceptions. One scene in particular drops the wire fu and goes for realism in a hand to hand combat scene. Very nice job. But alas it is mostly martial art eye candy. :) -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Liking Human Target
Thanks for the recommendation, Aubrey. I was going to skip the show because of work and an overloaded VCR, but I pulled up the recordings I had of the first two weeks and had a really good time! Like you said, it's pretty lighthearted. You never go too far into fear mode because you know the principals and their clients will all make it out safely. But it's a kick, with just enough drama and good acting to be engaging, and really good action to boot. I like that Chance sometimes really has to work in a fight: no quick karate chops for him! The lady tonight gave him a hell of a fight, and I was laughing as she was throwing roundhouse kicks in heels and that red hooker dress! The main three actors are all excellent, and I like the guest stars too. I know this show is probably nowhere near as serious as some incarnations of the comic, maybe resembling in name only, but still fun. It reminds me of the breezy, action-packed shows of old like Eye Spy, The Avengers, or The Man from U.N.C.L.E, or modern far like Burn Notice. Too bad it's on Fox. Like I said recently, all the best shows seem to be on cable, so I gotta wonder how long the network will let it go if it doesn't do killer ratings. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:38:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Was that Danny Glover? Warning... It's... *fluffy* but I enjoyed the action, the auxiliary characters (my fav is Guerrero, of course, but we've had many conversations about Jackie Earle Haley's awesomeness on this loop and the character really suits him) and Chance has the right amount of low-brow Bond-esque moxy. Plus... his Japanese *was* good. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
I've seen them both. I feel it's important to see what people are making, even when reprehensible (know the enemy and all). It just bothers me that Gone with the Wind is the top grossing movie in history, as its portrayal of blacks as happy/funny little childlike servants irks me, as does its homage to that glorious old South. Birth of a Nation is disgusting. Both are indeed great filmmaking in terms of the pure mechanics and creativity behind them. But so was the filmic work of the lady who shot Nazi propaganda films. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:03:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide Content aside, Gone with the Wind like Birth of a Nation is savvy, populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at all costs as the narratives will suck you in. Nation is truly remarkable on just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W. Griffith was a cinematic genius. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With the Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia, over a hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit. Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only eighty-seven thousand? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
And President Woodrow Wilson, after seeing a private screening of Birth of a Nation at the White House, called it the most important movie ever made. No surprise: he presided over a lot of decisions that strengthened segregation in a wide swath of American life. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:20:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of the kkk and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are still with us today. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Content aside, Gone with the Wind like Birth of a Nation is savvy, populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at all costs as the narratives will suck you in. Nation is truly remarkable on just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W. Griffith was a cinematic genius. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With the Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia, over a hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit. Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only eighty-seven thousand? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
I disagree; or, I don't think it' s productive to argue Birth of a Nation versus Stepin Fetchit. Birth was shown all over the county; whites stood a block long lines to see it. It grossed a phenomenal amount of money and was a hit for months on end. Like I just said in another post, even Woodrow Wilson celebrated it as a tough truth of history. Its influence on white thought--either justifying or engendering their thoughts of black inferiority and savagery, and the rightness of white rule--can't be overestimated. That black actors like Fetchit willingly lent themselves to damaging stereotypes can't be argued. But Birth, by its nature--white actors all playing black in poorly done blackface--showed that even without black complicity, some whites would have found ways to depict us as little more than animals. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:47:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide Apples and oranges. Still, a remarkable cinematic achievement. I was blown away when I saw it. Griffith practically invented modern cinematic language. Indicting Griffith for the rise of KKK is like indicting Samuel Colt for drive by shootings. Guilty as charged but, still, largely irrelevant. Me, personally, would be more inclined to indict John M. Stahl (In Old Kentucky), the first director to employ Stepin Fetchit as the Laziest Man in the World. This image was wy more destructive to black people than anything in Birth of a Nation. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of the kkk and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are still with us today. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Content aside, Gone with the Wind like Birth of a Nation is savvy, populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at all costs as the narratives will suck you in. Nation is truly remarkable on just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W. Griffith was a cinematic genius. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With the Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia, over a hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit. Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only eighty-seven thousand? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
Amen! I just posted a similar response. People don't need us to spread their
hatred and bigotry. How many people are aware, for example, that the minstrel
show was for over a generation the single most *popular* form of entertainment
in country? And that was white folk in blackface, acting like fools and
buffoons as they supposedly parodied black folk. Didn't need a single black
actor to cooperate--indeed, in the annals of famous white entertainers form
those days are many white men who made their fortune in blackface.
- Original Message -
From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 2:24:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
So the depiction of blacks as childish, chicken and watermelon eating savages
with an insatiable lust for white women didn't do as much harm as Stephin
Fetchit? Screenings of Birth of Nation directly lead to riots, racial attacks
and murders and was used as a recruitment tool by the KKK. Sorry I respectfully
disagree.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
Apples and oranges. Still, a remarkable cinematic achievement. I was blown
away when I saw it. Griffith practically invented modern cinematic language.
Indicting Griffith for the rise of KKK is like indicting Samuel Colt for
drive by shootings. Guilty as charged but, still, largely irrelevant.
Me, personally, would be more inclined to indict John M. Stahl (In Old
Kentucky), the first director to employ Stepin Fetchit as the Laziest Man
in the World. This image was wy more destructive to black people than
anything in Birth of a Nation.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of the kkk
and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are still
with
us today.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Content aside, Gone with the Wind like Birth of a Nation is savvy,
populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at all
costs as the narratives will suck you in. Nation is truly remarkable on
just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W.
Griffith
was a cinematic genius.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@
wrote:
In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all
time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With
the
Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty
interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia,
over a
hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit.Â
Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only
eighty-seven
thousand?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent
Amen! And that money spent on billboards could buy how much food and medicine for Haiti? Matter of fact, maybe she should volunteer for something like that and be reminded exactly what the word unfair means... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:35:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent Keith, I have a word to describe it as well. Pathetic. Get over it, lady. The train has left the station. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:16:51 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent This is so bizarre. We passed one of this lady's billboards here in Atlanta last weekend, and I couldn't figure out who this couple was, nor why I should care about them. I find it hard to believe this lady was with this dude for eight years and didn't know he was still married. But whether she knew he was married, or whether he just chumped her by going back to his wife, this is a classless tacky move. I know she's hurting, but why do people outside of their inner circle need to know their private issues? That's the price of love: sometimes you get taken, sometimes you let yourself get taken by going into situations you know aren't right. Whatever, bottom line is she should just move on and keep their private affairs...private. Since this Brother runs Oracle and is a high level member of the Obama gang, I wonder if this will hit the major airwaves like Fox in the next couple of days...? * Revenge by billboard: Scorned lover pays £150,000 for street posters to reveal affair with Obama aide By David Gardner Last updated at 9:57 PM on 23rd January 2010 • Comments ( 164 ) • Add to My Stories The spurned mistress of one of Barack Obama's top economic advisers has exacted revenge by plastering details of their affair on giant billboard posters across the U.S. YaVaughnie Wilkins is said to have paid £150,000 to reveal her relationship with Charles Phillips to the world after he went back to his wife. The posters, which are three storeys high, show Miss Williams and the senior member of the president's hand-picked Economic Recovery Advisory Board below his initials and a quote saying: 'You are my soulmate forever.' Wilkins Shamed: YaVaughnie Wilkins poses with former lover Charles E. Phillips in a poster she placed in New York There is also a link to a website that is a shrine to his eight-year affair with Miss Wilkins, 41. It includes pictures chronicling their travels around the world as well as intimate notes and ticket stubs from concerts, films, sports games and Mr Obama' s inauguration a year ago. One of the giant signs is posted on Broadway near Times Square in New York - one of the world's most prominent advertising hoardings. A further two have appeared elsewhere in New York as well as one in Atlanta and one in San Francisco, where Miss Wilkins lives and her married ex-lover owns a family home. Each are said to have cost £30,000 to display. The billboards baffled Americans when they first appeared – with speculation mounting over whether it was a marketing ploy or an apology. Her extraordinary actions had the desired effect. The chief executive has been forced into an embarrassing public statement in which he admitted their affair. YaVaughnie Wilkins.jpg YaVaughnie Adventures: Wilkins set up a website of photos of the couple's world travels, including Sydney, right President Powerful: Phillips, circled, is an adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama Yesterday Mr Phillips, 50, who is also president of internet giant Oracle, issued a brief three-sentence statement saying: 'I had an eight-and-a-half year serious relationship with YaVaughnie Wilkins. 'My divorce proceedings began in 2008. The relationship with Ms Wilkins has since ended and we both wish each other well.' There has been speculation that YaVaughnie deliberately timed her campaign to coincide with a major Oracle event next week. Website Gawker noted that the company was due to host an all-day live event on January 27. Mr Phillips was paid £12million last year and has made around £30million since 2007. He has recently reconciled with his wife, Karen, according to reports in the U.S. The couple were seen at an awards ceremony in New York and pictured together at a gala held by the American Museum of Natural History in the city in November. They have a ten-year-old son, Chas. Miss Wilkins, a California-based actress and writer, was not available for
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
I saw that it was great! Ironic that most of the talk show hosts--including the principals involved--have gotten their funniest bits in years out of this. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:16:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Keith, Fallon did what was, IMO, his first funny bit the other night. He was doing a mock tribute to Conan by sneaking into what used to be his studio back when Conan had Late Night, Boyz 2 Men in tow, and singing It's So Hard (To Say Goodbye), then pouring out a 40 (of Coke) on the floor as Dr Oz, who now shoots in that studio, comes in and yells, What are you doing in here? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:35:29 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Amen! The only thing about his show that makes me laugh is when you see him running in the opening credits, as if he's late for the show. And frankly, Conan's version of that was way funnier. When he took over The Tonight Show and moved to LA, he opened with a hilarious bit that made it seem as if he ran all the way from East to West coast-in his suit and tie! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:09:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! No it doesn't. That was just a marketing plot to show how hip he is. He's so unfunny that he could possibly be defined as ANTI-COMEDY. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Having the Roots as his house band absolves Mr. Fallon of all sins. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Oh don't get me started! :) Fallon is the worst waste of space on tv! Infomercials are more entertaining than his disjointed sap! On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@...wrote: No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how you really feel... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On *Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@...* wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night for years. Fallon is just a waste of space. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@.. . wrote: Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan. I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of American Idol or Dancing with the Stars??? Or maybe a new show similiar to In Living Color? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdli...@.. . To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Lockhart, Daryle dar...@darylelockha rt.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dar...@.. ., afrikanmind@ hotmail.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=afrikanm...@.. ., Albert Fields cbilmarketing@ yahoo.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cbilmarket...@.. ., bettil...@msn. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bettil...@.. ., CINQUE cinque3...@verizon. net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cinque3...@.. ., dorothyhamm@ sbcglobal. net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dorothyh...@.. ., duva...@hotmail. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duva
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:58:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Hey, I'm single. Gotta get a thrill wherever I can... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:28:21 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Dude, it ain't worth it for that. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer... Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
In the final analysis, both are poisonous to our portrayal in film, and both are dangerous. I agree it's more viscerally disgusting to see a black man participate in his own belittlement, but Birth was still way more subversive than I think you're saying. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:56:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide I'll tell you why the dissemination of Stepin Fetchit is more insidious than Birth of a Nation. It is more insidious because it is benign. Birth of a Nation (1915) is one vile movie which, even at its height, was seen by relatively small proportion of the nation's populace (due to lack of distribution and movie screens available in 1915). Lincoln Perry made FIFTY-TWO movies between 1925 and 1976 - movies that had much more currency than Nation ever had. Further, again unlike Nation, which became a cinematic pariah and was rarely seen, Perry's movies became a staple of early afternoon and late night televison in the fifties and the sixties - further disseminating the lie of the laziest man in the world. Many more politicians and employers were polluted by Perry's fifty-two movies than by Birth of a Nation. But, not to lose sight of my original assertion, Birth of a Nation is still a notable cinematic accomplishment - in spite of its content. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: So the depiction of blacks as childish, chicken and watermelon eating savages with an insatiable lust for white women didn't do as much harm as Stephin Fetchit? Screenings of Birth of Nation directly lead to riots, racial attacks and murders and was used as a recruitment tool by the KKK. Sorry I respectfully disagree. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Apples and oranges. Still, a remarkable cinematic achievement. I was blown away when I saw it. Griffith practically invented modern cinematic language. Indicting Griffith for the rise of KKK is like indicting Samuel Colt for drive by shootings. Guilty as charged but, still, largely irrelevant. Me, personally, would be more inclined to indict John M. Stahl (In Old Kentucky), the first director to employ Stepin Fetchit as the Laziest Man in the World. This image was wy more destructive to black people than anything in Birth of a Nation. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of the kkk and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are still with us today. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Content aside, Gone with the Wind like Birth of a Nation is savvy, populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at all costs as the narratives will suck you in. Nation is truly remarkable on just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W. Griffith was a cinematic genius. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With the Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia, over a hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit. Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only eighty-seven thousand? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
Glad it's not just me... - Original Message - From: Mr Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:44:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a young person ask another How's it going? Lazy... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a similar word back then. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the 300-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail. I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term Where the fu** are the Romans? is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Re: [scifinoir2] ATT U-verse Doomed?
What's the upper limit in bandwidth ATT can offer, if copper's carrying the signal for as much as a mile? Per fibre running closer to the home would give the potential for much greater speeds in the long run. Is 20 MBits ATT's upper limit? I can see fibre hitting ten times that speed some day...- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:29:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] ATT U-verse Doomed? Many have heard of the difficulties in implementing ATT's U-verse IPTV service. ATT's U-verse network is actually a fiber/copper hybrid, which pulls fibers to 3,000 to 5,000 feet from the homes they serve, where it then connects to mini-DSLAMs called "52B" boxes and then it runs copper the last mile to the home. This hybrid approach is a bargain when compared to the $20 billion Verizon is spending to build-out fiber all the way to the home. This hybrid fiber/copper approach gives ATT a 20Mbps+ link to customers, enough to offer high-speed Internet, VoIP, and the company's IPTV service. The problem is getting towns to grant public right of ways for these massive 52B boxes, which hold DSLAMS, batteries, and cooling gear in rugged, weatherproof cases. Many towns objected or wanted ATT to sign video franchise agreements. Lawsuits were filed, including cable companies that want to classify U-verse service as a "cable service" to force ATT to abide by the same build-out rules, which has drastically affected U-verse deployment . In addition, the IPTV service uses proprietary set-top boxes from Microsoft, which had their own share of problems - mostly software related. On top of all this, a new IPTV standard (DVB-IPI) is about to be ratified (later this month) by the Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) standards body. This standard takes a very different technical approach than the strategy embodied in the Microsoft solution that ATT has implemented, and addresses many of the inherent challenges with IPTV, including quality of service, scalability and fast channel change times. Which reminds me, I really hate the slow channel changing times on satellite TV. I wish the set-top boxes would buffer the next channel UP and the next channel DOWN, so at least changing up or down one channel is fast. In any event, The DVB-IPI standard is based largely on a hybrid of well-established forward error correction (FEC) technology from Digital Fountain called DF Raptor and a public domain technology known as Pro-MPEG COP3. These technologies are currently being evaluated by most IPTV providers in the U.S. and elsewhere. Several new deployments using this technology are expected to be announced later this year. According to Rose Anne Raphael, a representative of Digital Fountain, "Whatever the actual problems in the ATT/MS deployments (since we're not part of these deployments, we have no firsthand knowledge), the strategy employed is one that inherently poses scalability problems and bucks certain foundation assumptions on which IP networks and broadcast architectures are based." Could this new standard make ATT's and Microsoft's gamble on their own proprietary technology be the nail in the coffin for U-verse? Certainly, a standards-based approach will eventually result in lower costs to deploy due to economies of scale when multiple vendors all use the same technology. This could give ATT/Microsoft's competitors a cost advantage. Who would have thought that mega-titans ATT and Microsoft would bet on the wrong horse using proprietary technology? Wait a minute, ATT and Microsoft are the KINGS of proprietary technology, so I shouldn't be surprised. The difference is that 20 years ago you could get away with it - now with open-source and standards along with a global economy, a standards-based approach is the only way to go. Update (I had some other thoughts and feedback from users) One person emailed me and wrote: Read with great interest your comments about the possible doom of U-verse. Taking those concerns into account, would you recommend it to a consumer like me who is considering switching from Comcast to U-verse if and when it becomes available on the west side of Indianapolis? The cost and channel availability seem to have cable beat by a mile, but your technological concerns may trump other advantages. I'd appreciate your assessment on whether consumers should proceed to "sign up" for this new service. I responded: Put to you this way. If I could get U-verse in my area, I'd do it. Yes, I knocked ATT for not meeting their target goals, as did many media outlets.While I think ATT Microsoft were perhaps 1-2 years too early with their proprietary technology, it is still a good solution.I'm just not a fan of proprietary solutions. ATT and Microsoft have had a bumpy road, but I think ATT Microsoft have worked out most of the kinks. Also, I am the
Re: [scifinoir2] Swordfish
I really disliked it. I thought it was stupid. I'm all for good camp, but Travolta's over-the-top villain was laughable--in a bad way. As one of the few men in America not hypnotized by Berry, her exposed top didn't do anything for me (and I'm still a bit sad that a woman exposing her top is sometimes considered a necessary career move to get better roles anyway). Things such as Jackman having to do a major hack in sixty seconds while a lady pleasures him were just unnecessary stuff added, like something done by leering teen boys. I'm only seen it once--that was enough for me. - Original Message - From: Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyesc...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:36:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Swordfish I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy
Re: [scifinoir2] Enterprise Marathon on SyFy
Other than that horrible fuc* you series ender BB crafted, one of the worst single shows in all of Trek, up (or down) there with the clip show that ended season two of TNG. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:13:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Enterprise Marathon on SyFy George, that's because they finally wised up and sent the Killers B's packing. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:46:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Enterprise Marathon on SyFy Agreed the series was really hitting its stride before the suits pulled the plug./ From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:39:45 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Enterprise Marathon on SyFy Another Enterprise marathon on SyFy all day today. That's followed by the movie First Contact, and then by the premiere of Caprica. I will say about Enterprise , it's a show that had its moments. Watching the Xindi storyline in big chunks, for example, I can appreciate the dramatic intensity of it better. There are some gems in that storyline: the Memento type ep (on now) where Archer's in a future where Earth's destroyed, and T'Pol must retell the story to him every single day...the ep where, desperate to continue the mission, Archer orders his reluctant crew to actually attack and steal supplies from a ship that had recently aided them.. A powerful study of morality vs. need, and rather radical for Trek...the various dealings with the Vulcans and Andorians--how cool to see the Andorians having had so significant a part in the early days of Starfleet, how cool to see Vulcan as a sometimes duplicitous, self-serving planet on the brink of rejecting Logic, how cool to see how Earth, as an outsider planet, helped broker deals that lead to the creation of the Federation. There was lots of good stuff that fleshed out and revealed new stories on the history of Starfleet. As the show entered it's last couple of seasons it hit its stride and became what I expected. Of course, one has to wade through the bad first couple of seasons, the juvenile attempts at titillation sprinkled throughout the series, and the BB obsession with time travel stories, one of which ruined the whole Xindi storyline by ending with that stupid Nazi/alien occupied NYC. But overall, not a bad way to spend a day. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the 300-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail. I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term Where the fu** are the Romans? is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on 300. But what I saw was a bad imitation of 300: the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--...Blood and Sand already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make Spartacus: Blood and Sand an epic television event. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Dude, it ain't worth it for that. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer... Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
I didn't like Monster's Ball for lots of reasons. As a black man, i had no desire to see a movie in which one black man is on death row, a young black boy is verbally abused and encounters major horrors, and white bigots get to have sex with black women. I felt the sex scene with Berry and Thornton--which she found her courage to do by exposing her top in Swordfish--was unnecessarily graphic, and disturbed me in profound ways: massah getting it on with the slave gal. I frankly felt it was a movie only a white guy could have written. Yeah, i know Lee Daniels was part of the crew, but he's got his own issues, such as his skin color prejudice. I felt Monster's Ball was an update on white male fantasies that have dogged us since slavery: white man eliminates black man, abuses black woman, but somehow there's something good to be found in their relationship. Right: give me more movies with black men and black women making it *together* in the world. - Original Message - From: Grayson grayson.reyesc...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Amen! The only thing about his show that makes me laugh is when you see him running in the opening credits, as if he's late for the show. And frankly, Conan's version of that was way funnier. When he took over The Tonight Show and moved to LA, he opened with a hilarious bit that made it seem as if he ran all the way from East to West coast-in his suit and tie! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:09:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! No it doesn't. That was just a marketing plot to show how hip he is. He's so unfunny that he could possibly be defined as ANTI-COMEDY. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Having the Roots as his house band absolves Mr. Fallon of all sins. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Oh don't get me started! :) Fallon is the worst waste of space on tv! Infomercials are more entertaining than his disjointed sap! On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@...wrote: No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how you really feel... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On *Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@...* wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night for years. Fallon is just a waste of space. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@.. . wrote: Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan. I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of American Idol or Dancing with the Stars??? Or maybe a new show similiar to In Living Color? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdli...@.. . To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Lockhart, Daryle dar...@darylelockha rt.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dar...@.. ., afrikanmind@ hotmail.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=afrikanm...@.. ., Albert Fields cbilmarketing@ yahoo.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cbilmarket...@.. ., bettil...@msn. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bettil...@.. ., CINQUE cinque3...@verizon. net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cinque3...@.. ., dorothyhamm@ sbcglobal. net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dorothyh...@.. ., duva...@hotmail. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duva...@.. ., fis...@bellsouth. net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fis...@.. ., GTW gwashin...@aol. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gwashin...@.. ., Jeffrey Ballou jeffreypballou@ gmail.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeffreypbal...@.. ., Kai Pettaway killa...@gmail. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=killa...@.. ., kalpub...@aol. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kalpub...@.. ., keithbjohnson@ comcast.net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@.. ., Kera imke...@gmail. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=imke...@.. ., Leroy Hughes seriousnupe87@ yahoo.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=seriousnup...@.. ., Logic logic1...@aol. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=logic1...@.. ., Martin Baxter Truthseeker013@ icqmail.com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@.. ., Marvalous mmb1...@gmail. com http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mmb1...@.. ., Michael Gordon gord...@indiana. edu http://us.mc594
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a young person ask another How's it going? Lazy... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a similar word back then. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the 300-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail. I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term Where the fu** are the Romans? is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on 300. But what I saw was a bad imitation of 300: the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--...Blood and Sand already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. And unlike Precious--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that very thing happened. I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I think Monster's Ball should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded Precious and the little appreciated Shadowboxer. In fact, Precious actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think Titantic should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw The Abyss and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is bad, he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen is something to be avoided. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. And unlike Precious--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that very thing happened. I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I think Monster's Ball should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded Precious and the little appreciated Shadowboxer. In fact, Precious actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think Titantic should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw The Abyss and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is bad, he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
'Tis true, my man. And if we lived in a world where we got more positive big screen releases showing black men and women helping each other, it'd not irritate me as much. Even in 2010 with all the crossing of ethnic lines for marriage, with more people than ever marrying people of other colors, the average black person in America still marries another black person--even with NBA players' predilections :) We have a real problem in America with image and perception when it comes to the black family. That's why so many people were so insanely happy to see the Obama's ascend to the White House. I'm not accusing the movie of being unrealistic, just of focusing on something that, while real, isn't as important as black men and women helping each other--IMHO. I couldn't recall any discussion on this film in this group back when it came out. Then I realized, I never saw it in theatres because I didn't want to support it. More importantly, it came out less than two month's after my father died, and I was barely checking e-mail for a long time, let alone contributing any. Sorry to beat that deceased equine again! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish The merits of Monster's Ball have been argued ad nauseum in this space. It is a movie that pushes buttons. I am of the minority that believes it is high brow exploration of race and class (Berry, Thornton, Heath Ledger and Mos Def do good work in this film). The majority dismisses it as trash. The debate, like the beat, goes on. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. And unlike Precious--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that very thing happened. I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I think Monster's Ball should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded Precious and the little appreciated Shadowboxer. In fact, Precious actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think Titantic should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw The Abyss and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is bad, he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson grayson.reyescole@ wrote: The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Okay, I'll bite: Why do you avoid Titanic? What other popular films have you actively avoided (rather than, just not having gotten around to seeing?) And what's this about Cameron treating fans badly? - Original Message - From: Grayson grayson.reyesc...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:45:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Yeah, I'm sorry Rave, but I can't do it. No Titanic and no Monster's Ball regardless of who's oevre it is. I don't typically watch movies that don't speak to me regardless of their importance or high regard. It's possible I miss out on some things, but I'm comfortable with that. I remind myself that the world of known art is so large I cannot possibly consume everything and there is something in the world right at this very moment I would love if I were exposed to it, but I will never know about. OK, random tangent over. On another note, I am a James Cameron fan even if he's vicious to fans in airports. The Abyss is one of my all time favorite movies despite the very, very end which for me was a let down. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I think Monster's Ball should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded Precious and the little appreciated Shadowboxer. In fact, Precious actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think Titantic should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw The Abyss and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is bad, he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson grayson.reyescole@ wrote: The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Good question, but I live in the South too, and I can't honestly say I've seen such a huge number of black women hook up with dudes who might as well be in the Klan. I think the level of racism in Thornton and his dad in the movie is one of my problems: most black women would have bolted. Do I know some who wouldn't? Sure, but like I said, that particular segment of society--black women who date virulently racist white men--isn't the largest part of black culture. I'm more concerned about showing the struggles of black men and women trying to make it together, as that's still the greater part of black society. As for whether it's worse for a black woman to hook up with a racist or a disrespectful brother? Hmmm...can't say I've ever done a comparison of that. Speaking as a black man, whatever other problems I might have with the opposite sex, i wouldn't want to be bringing racism into the mix. I'd *never* hook up with a white woman who thought my people were inferior even in the smallest part. It's pretty darn hard to purge one's psyche of deep-seated racism. I've known many black men and women who've gotten with whites who are prejudiced, and it turns my stomach. Even when they love the black people, they feel that have a free pass to make little racist jokes, call their loved one the n-word (happened in front of me once, I almost lost it). And often, their families can be even worse. I have a friend right now who's dating someone from the Deep South, and that person feels comfortable making all kinds of negative comments about black people. That person's family is straight-out bigoted, and don't get the mixing. All other things being equal, whatever other problems you might have with a significant other or their family, it'd be nice to take racism off the list. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:15:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Just weighing in on Mr Worf's to say that sure black women hook up with rednecks, but why does it take that much analyzing? The disrespect many black men show women is no different in my opinion than some racist redneck, if you've accepted that men are going to treat you like trash... what's the difference? I'm not saying this is always the reason, but I've lived in the South my whole life and it's one reality I see. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] James Cameron Gets Nasty to A Fan in an Airpot
wow, guess it's no surprise. I've heard for years he's a jerk. I remember back when he was married to Linda Hamilton, they were attending the Academy Awards, and got into an argument on the Red Carpet. I saw Cameron angrily grab Hamilton by the arm and say something to her, which struck me as way out of line. On a completely different note, the article says he used to call Kate Winslet Kate Weighs-a-lot That goes back to the point I made the other week about mainstream American perceptions of womens' bodies. I thought Winslet's curves were looking pretty damn fine in Titanic, and was actually upset when she got really thin a couple of years back. - Original Message - From: Grayson grayson.reyesc...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:24:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] James Cameron Gets Nasty to A Fan in an Airpot Keith, Answer to one request: http://www.examiner.com/x-34112-Manchester-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m12d24-James-Cameron-is-a-Grinch-to-Avatar-fan-at-airport Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Okay, I'll bite: Why do you avoid Titanic? What other popular films have you actively avoided (rather than, just not having gotten around to seeing?) And what's this about Cameron treating fans badly?
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Agreed. I think that's why the whole Avatar angle of not just a human man, but a white human man, getting with an alien woman bothers some people. I have to see the movie to see if it bothers me. But that goes back to the FUBU concept for movies: i can't expect a white guy like Cameron to always think hey, I've got to put a black man in the lead role, when he already feels he's sending forth some positive messages about the environment, exploitation of indigenous species, etc. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a luxury of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without much basis rooted in reality. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen is something to be avoided. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. And unlike Precious--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that very thing happened. I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I think Monster's Ball should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded Precious and the little appreciated Shadowboxer. In fact, Precious actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think Titantic should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw The Abyss and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is bad, he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, Monster's Ball is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyescole@ wrote: I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Dang. Well, just reinforces my belief that people of color need to be producing more of our own stories, and those actors of color who do well need to fight the fight as much as possible too. And people of color need to *support* those efforts when they are done. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:17:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish You guys have not read some of the cut out scenes. In one, the native guy that was originally the heroes adversary, has is tail cut off by the big bad marine villain guy. That means he cannot longer connect to the world or have real sex – so in essence--- his dick was cut off. He asks the hero to become leader of the tribe and also to kill him From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:12 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Agreed. I think that's why the whole Avatar angle of not just a human man, but a white human man, getting with an alien woman bothers some people. I have to see the movie to see if it bothers me. But that goes back to the FUBU concept for movies: i can't expect a white guy like Cameron to always think hey, I've got to put a black man in the lead role, when he already feels he's sending forth some positive messages about the environment, exploitation of indigenous species, etc. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a luxury of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without much basis rooted in reality. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen is something to be avoided. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. And unlike Precious--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that very thing happened. I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I think Monster's Ball should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this would include the heavily lauded Precious and the little appreciated Shadowboxer. In fact, Precious actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble casting and performance Likewise, I think Titantic should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. I recently re-saw The Abyss and it confirmed my opinion that even when Cameron is bad, he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson grayson.reyesc...@... wrote: The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin
Re: [scifinoir2] Perfectly Fine (Probably) Movies Grayson Hasn't Seen
Ha-ha! I never saw American Beauty either. No real reason, just didn't make my list. Same for The Reader. I saw Closer and really didn't like it. A bunch of screwed up people playing odd games, a lot of really foul explicit language that didn't belong to me (as if they said let's make this an adult film and shock some people) Forest Gump, same thing. I did like Slumdog quite a bit. I think you'd like it. Sometimes really good films become victims of so much hype that we may sub-consciously avoid them, not wanting to be part of the in crowd, not wanting to support some flavor-of-the-moment. (At least, I feel that way sometimes). With some movies that's quite true: they're overhyped. Slumdog, however, is really good, especially the first two thirds. - Original Message - From: Grayson Reyes-Cole grayson.reyesc...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:23:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Perfectly Fine (Probably) Movies Grayson Hasn't Seen Keith you asked, so here are a just a couple movies beyond Titanic and Monster's Ball on the list of award nominees/winners that are probably great and all but I haven't seen the, and don't plan to see them. What I will say is that for every popular movie on this list, I have seen a fringe movie that expanded my horizons. American Beauty The Reader Closer Forest Gump Mamma Mia (If this movie was about a black lady who slept with three guys and didn't know who her baby daddy was, with a Brothers Johnson soundtrack, I'm not so sure it would have had the same reception or be a huge production on the Vegas strip) Slumdog Millionaire - I have no idea why this movie is on my list. I listened all about it on NPR. Got the concept, was excited about it. Listened to the soundtrack. Rented it. Had it for two months before Netflix asked me if there was a problem at which point I returned it. Now it's on HBO on Demand and I *still* haven't watched it. So maybe it's not me rejecting the movie, it's just on the list by default. I'll figure it out later. Atonement - Pretty much anything featuring Keira Knightley that is not Pirates of the Caribbean makes my list, although my mother seems to think I would like The Duchess. Grayson Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy
[scifinoir2] Avatar Keeps Rolling on Worldwide
In terms of pure dollars, Avatar will soon become the biggest of all time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think Gone With the Wind is still the champ). The country-by-country breakdown is pretty interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia, over a hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an international hit. Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only eighty-seven thousand? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intlid=avatar.htm
[scifinoir2] OT: Scorned Lover of Obama Adviser Uses Billboards to Vent
This is so bizarre. We passed one of this lady's billboards here in Atlanta last weekend, and I couldn't figure out who this couple was, nor why I should care about them. I find it hard to believe this lady was with this dude for eight years and didn't know he was still married. But whether she knew he was married, or whether he just chumped her by going back to his wife, this is a classless tacky move. I know she's hurting, but why do people outside of their inner circle need to know their private issues? That's the price of love: sometimes you get taken, sometimes you let yourself get taken by going into situations you know aren't right. Whatever, bottom line is she should just move on and keep their private affairs...private. Since this Brother runs Oracle and is a high level member of the Obama gang, I wonder if this will hit the major airwaves like Fox in the next couple of days...? * Revenge by billboard: Scorned lover pays £150,000 for street posters to reveal affair with Obama aide By David Gardner Last updated at 9:57 PM on 23rd January 2010 • Comments ( 164 ) • Add to My Stories The spurned mistress of one of Barack Obama's top economic advisers has exacted revenge by plastering details of their affair on giant billboard posters across the U.S. YaVaughnie Wilkins is said to have paid £150,000 to reveal her relationship with Charles Phillips to the world after he went back to his wife. The posters, which are three storeys high, show Miss Williams and the senior member of the president's hand-picked Economic Recovery Advisory Board below his initials and a quote saying: 'You are my soulmate forever.' Wilkins Shamed: YaVaughnie Wilkins poses with former lover Charles E. Phillips in a poster she placed in New York There is also a link to a website that is a shrine to his eight-year affair with Miss Wilkins, 41. It includes pictures chronicling their travels around the world as well as intimate notes and ticket stubs from concerts, films, sports games and Mr Obama' s inauguration a year ago. One of the giant signs is posted on Broadway near Times Square in New York - one of the world's most prominent advertising hoardings. A further two have appeared elsewhere in New York as well as one in Atlanta and one in San Francisco, where Miss Wilkins lives and her married ex-lover owns a family home. Each are said to have cost £30,000 to display. The billboards baffled Americans when they first appeared – with speculation mounting over whether it was a marketing ploy or an apology. Her extraordinary actions had the desired effect. The chief executive has been forced into an embarrassing public statement in which he admitted their affair. YaVaughnie Wilkins.jpg YaVaughnie Adventures: Wilkins set up a website of photos of the couple's world travels, including Sydney, right President Powerful: Phillips, circled, is an adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama Yesterday Mr Phillips, 50, who is also president of internet giant Oracle, issued a brief three-sentence statement saying: 'I had an eight-and-a-half year serious relationship with YaVaughnie Wilkins. 'My divorce proceedings began in 2008. The relationship with Ms Wilkins has since ended and we both wish each other well.' There has been speculation that YaVaughnie deliberately timed her campaign to coincide with a major Oracle event next week. Website Gawker noted that the company was due to host an all-day live event on January 27. Mr Phillips was paid £12million last year and has made around £30million since 2007. He has recently reconciled with his wife, Karen, according to reports in the U.S. The couple were seen at an awards ceremony in New York and pictured together at a gala held by the American Museum of Natural History in the city in November. They have a ten-year-old son, Chas. Miss Wilkins, a California-based actress and writer, was not available for comment yesterday. Karen Reconciliation: Phillips is back living with his wife Karen (centre) and their 10-year-old son in New York YaVaughnie Pressure: Phillips said he wished Wilkins well after intimate photos posted online forced him to admit the affair YaVaughnie 'Soulmates': The website, paid for by Wilkins, shows photos of the pair enjoying holidays abroad YaVaughnie YaVaughnie Pressure: Phillips was forced to admit the affair after the billboard posters and website went live Wilkins High-profile campaign: Wilkins paid £30,000 for each poster - including this one in New York YaVaughnie YaVaughnie Promises: Wilkins put the love notes sent from Phillips during their affair online Her website shows Mr Phillips and her standing arm-in-arm on the Great Wall of China and posing in Sydney wearing matching 'Australia' jackets. One of the photo albums from 2001 is set to a karaoke
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute
I agree. I may be alone in this, but I was never fully enamored of the Spider-Man movies. I do like the way the second film had some humor. I agree with you: the third flick was a classic example of them missing the proper balance. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:49:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute That's the one and the What If was great too. After the success of The Dark Knight Sony wanted to go darker and more adult. I think they are missing the point. Spider-Man was dark at times but there was also joy and the snark has been missing. They need to strike a balance. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Is Last Hunt the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. Speaking of Last Hunt, if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever read the What If? version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by Kraven, starts the standard Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start gloating. Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but he's really really snapped. In order to capture the soul of the Spider, Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people know what a hero he really was. one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever read. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and build on it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: HelloMahogany@ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home in time for dinner with Aunt B. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the gritty side of teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and have cut the budget to $80,000,000. Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have mixed results. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Who would he be? The Condor? I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos. Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the right part. Weird in other parts
[scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the 300-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail. I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term Where the fu** are the Romans? is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on 300. But what I saw was a bad imitation of 300: the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--...Blood and Sand already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make Spartacus: Blood and Sand an epic television event.
[scifinoir2] Enterprise Marathon on SyFy
Another Enterprise marathon on SyFy all day today. That's followed by the movie First Contact, and then by the premiere of Caprica. I will say about Enterprise, it's a show that had its moments. Watching the Xindi storyline in big chunks, for example, I can appreciate the dramatic intensity of it better. There are some gems in that storyline: the Memento type ep (on now) where Archer's in a future where Earth's destroyed, and T'Pol must retell the story to him every single day...the ep where, desperate to continue the mission, Archer orders his reluctant crew to actually attack and steal supplies from a ship that had recently aided them.. A powerful study of morality vs. need, and rather radical for Trek...the various dealings with the Vulcans and Andorians--how cool to see the Andorians having had so significant a part in the early days of Starfleet, how cool to see Vulcan as a sometimes duplicitous, self-serving planet on the brink of rejecting Logic, how cool to see how Earth, as an outsider planet, helped broker deals that lead to the creation of the Federation. There was lots of good stuff that fleshed out and revealed new stories on the history of Starfleet. As the show entered it's last couple of seasons it hit its stride and became what I expected. Of course, one has to wade through the bad first couple of seasons, the juvenile attempts at titillation sprinkled throughout the series, and the BB obsession with time travel stories, one of which ruined the whole Xindi storyline by ending with that stupid Nazi/alien occupied NYC. But overall, not a bad way to spend a day.
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan. I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of American Idol or Dancing with the Stars??? Or maybe a new show similiar to In Living Color? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: Lockhart, Daryle dar...@darylelockhart.com, afrikanm...@hotmail.com, Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com, bettil...@msn.com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net, dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net, GTW gwashin...@aol.com, Jeffrey Ballou jeffreypbal...@gmail.com, Kai Pettaway killa...@gmail.com, kalpub...@aol.com, keithbjohn...@comcast.net, Kera imke...@gmail.com, Leroy Hughes seriousnup...@yahoo.com, Logic logic1...@aol.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@icqmail.com, Marvalous mmb1...@gmail.com, Michael Gordon gord...@indiana.edu, michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com, rs...@yahoo.com, Seku Brathwaite everything...@nyc.rr.com, Valery Jean valeryjea...@yahoo.com, Wendell Theophilus Smith wendellsmit...@gmail.com, Whitney J Evans sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net, williamsf...@speakeasy.net, Zanfordino Anthony beta...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:10:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting perspective. 1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. 2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the same show, an hour before his old show 3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience away from Conan. 4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience Conan would have pulled 5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing the same with Coco. I hope the Tonight show tanks. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work. Very little honest we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot. End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said no to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say no to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Yeah, and like I said recently, the funny/sad thing is they're helping bring on their own demise, like a negative feedback loop. They lament/fear the death of successful scripted television due to rising costs, shrinking audiences, and cable TV's rise, so they *drop* arguably their most important time slot for scripted television, thus causing shrinking audiences, helping cable TV's rise, and frankly, not saving so much money due to the payout to O'Brien. This will go down as one of the worst decisions in TV programming history. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:35:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! They were already leaning in that direction with all of those SNL specials. I don't think that they have anything in the can to fill the void. Unless they pull out some mini-series or something. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work. Very little honest we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot. End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said no to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say no to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global
Re: [scifinoir2] Roddenberry, Imagine Entertainment To Revive 'Questor Tapes
I loved the Questor Tapes movie. Saw it when it aired on TV way back when I was a kid. Good stuff.I doubt it could ever have rivaled "Star Trek" in success, but I'd love to see a faithful treatment down to it.- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:23:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Roddenberry, Imagine Entertainment To Revive 'Questor Tapes - http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7065 More than 35 years after Gene Roddenberry first tried to bring "The Questor Tapes" to television, it may finally happen thanks to his son. Roddenberry Productions, run by Eugene W. Roddenberry Jr., and Imagine Entertainment are working together to bring "The Questor Tapes" back to life. Imagine Entertainment is the company run by Brian Grazer and director Ron Howard. It is expected the "Questor" project will be led by Tim Minear, known for his close working relationship with Joss Whedon in projects like "Angel," "Firefly" and "Dollhouse." Roddenberry and Imagine are still looking to wrap up negotiations with Minear to bring him on board. "My father always felt that 'Questor' was the one that got away," the younger Roddenberry said in a release. "He believed that the show had the potential to be bigger than 'Star Trek.'" The original project was meant to be a television series about an android with incomplete memory tapes who searches for his creator and his purpose. The android was played by Robert Foxworth, and was the brainchild of both Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek producer Gene L. Coon, the latter who died before the project could get underway. Although "Questor" was never picked up as a series, the pilot did air as a television movie, and it's said that Data in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was an homage to that original project. The younger Roddenberry will develop the project along with his right-hand man Trevor Roth. They will be joined on the Imagine side by president David Nevins and executive vice president of development Robin Gurney. Roddenberry Productions is the current incarnation of the shingle Gene Roddenberry himself originally founded in 1967 that was responsible for shows such as "Earth: Final Conflict," "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda," and comic book series like "Days Missing," which will be released as a graphic novel next month. It's not clear where "Questor" would air as it's too early for details like who would order a pilot and where it might get picked up to be finalized. However, if it doesn't end up on a network, its only other likely home would be cable. The avenues previous posthumous Roddenberry projects like E:FC and "Andromeda" aired -- first-run syndication -- is no longer a true viable option for scripted dramas. Roddenberry told Airlock Alpha that while the two sides are actively working on putting together a new series, there are still no guarantees it will ever make it to television. However, it would be hard to discount a partnership between two well-respected names having the ability to generate some interest and open a few doors.
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Good points he makes. I haven't seen "Avatar" yet, but loved "District 9", with the one notable exception of how the Nigerians were portrayed. I just wish the article hadn't started with the relative costs and profits of each film. The point that more money doesn't a better film make is certainly true. Indeed, crap like Transformers prove that. But I wouldn't use just costs or profit margins to rate a film's worthiness for an award.What do you think Tracey, having seen both films? Which is a better film in terms of overall quality?- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "glenn" ggs...@yahoo.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:37:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' In a deeply divisive race, an argument as to why Neill Blomkamp deserves the Oscar for Best Picture more than James Cameron (part 1) http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7054 Posing this very controversial argument, I want to share why “District 9” is more Oscar-worthy than the mega-hit “Avatar.” Surely, the virtually unknown sci-fi film that was one of the few films to cross over the $200 million mark this past summer deserves a little attention – and as the Producers Guild’s nomination for Best Picture has proven, it is a worthy contender to watch out for during this award season. Cost v. Profits Looking first at the numbers, money talks. “District 9” cost only $30 million to make and then went on to make more than $204 million in the worldwide box office ($115 domestically). That is a return of six times what it cost to make. Any way you look at it that is a phenomenal return on a mere $30 million investment; and with a prestigious PGA nomination and further DVD sales racking up, this profit margin will only continue to rise. As for “Avatar,” it cost $237 million to make, plus another $150 million for marketing, and has grossed more than $1.6 billion world-wide to date. That is not a bad return either. But it is only a profit margin of four times its cost. However, given that “Avatar’s” resulting profit margin is more than $1 billion, it is not a number to discount. I cannot imagine that the investors for “Avatar” are displeased with such a modest return. So in the money game, both films are providing huge monetary profits for their investors, with “Avatar” edging out “District 9” due to its boffo box office sales. But it can never be said that “District 9” did not do well, as it is one of a handful of films to ever cross the $200 million mark. Realism v. Fantasy Looking next at which film was more realistic, “District 9” is hands-down the winner in that category. Taking a page right out of last year’s Oscar winner’s playbook, “District 9” was filmed in the actual slums of Chiawelo, Soweto in South Africa. Not only did they film amongst the filth and degradation of the slums, it was filmed simultaneous to the attempted forced-relocation of the Abahlali baseMjondolo in District 6 in Cape Town, South Africa. Thus, in an effort to make the film as realistic as possible, Neill Blomkamp and Peter Jackson literally filmed what was really occurring in Chiawelo and made a sci-fi film out of it. They just used CGI aliens in the place of real people who were being relocated. Thus, the story was a mirrored-reflection of the actual apartheid atrocities and discrimination that had been practiced in South Africa for more than 45 years. Another element of realism that worked in “District 9’s” favor was its portrayal of the aliens, aka prawns. The prawns looked like giant bugs walking on two legs. They did not speak English or any other human language, so there was a distinct language barrier. They were also gritty, repulsive and overall disgusting. These were not the humanoid creatures used to depict aliens in classic and modern sci-fi films. The prawns looked alien. It was like having a colony of giant insects living amongst us. No one wanted to be around them and it felt more natural to have them kept separate and secluded from the rest of the human race. It was just unfortunate that their spaceship died while hovering right over Johannesburg and they had nowhere else to go. Literally no one on Earth wanted them here. As for “Avatar,” it went the route of traditional sci-fi and opted to create a brand new world where everything was magnificent and glorious to behold. Welcome to Pandora where there are mountains that float in the sky, trees grow as tall as skyscrapers, plants glow rainbow colors in the dark, dragons fly through the vast blue skies, and the humanoid inhabitants are a brilliant turquoise blue that stand nearly 10 feet tall. Everything about this exotic paradise was meant to seduce us into their world and make us fall in love with it. But it is simply too pretty. Too good to be true. It was a
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
what was the skit? Was it funny at least? - Original Message - From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:04:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan lost pointes from me blowing a million and a half on a skit for a car. From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:55:31 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work. Very little honest we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot. End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said no to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say no to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. * * * http://www.tv. com/conan- obrien-free- at-last!/ story/20919. html?tag= hotspot;gumball; 1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should belong
[scifinoir2] Re: air america
bored and starts a new show which sucks and then asks for their old job back by firing the successor. He's a leno giver http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: Lockhart, Daryle dar...@darylelockhart.com ; afrikanm...@hotmail.com ; Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com ; bettil...@msn.com ; CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net ; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net ; duva...@hotmail.com ; fis...@bellsouth.net ; GTW gwashin...@aol.com ; Jeffrey Ballou jeffreypbal...@gmail.com ; Kai Pettaway killa...@gmail.com ; kalpub...@aol.com ; keithbjohn...@comcast.net ; Kera imke...@gmail.com ; Leroy Hughes seriousnup...@yahoo.com ; Logic logic1...@aol.com ; Martin Baxter truthseeker...@icqmail.com ; Marvalous mmb1...@gmail.com ; Michael Gordon gord...@indiana.edu ; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com ; ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com ; rs...@yahoo.com ; Seku Brathwaite everything...@nyc.rr.com ; Valery Jean valeryjea...@yahoo.com ; Wendell Theophilus Smith wendellsmit...@gmail.com ; Whitney J Evans sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net ; williamsf...@speakeasy.net ; Zanfordino Anthony beta...@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:10:14 PM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting perspective. 1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. 2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the same show, an hour before his old show 3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience away from Conan. 4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience Conan would have pulled 5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing the same with Coco. I hope the Tonight show tanks. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work. Very little honest we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot. End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said no to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say no to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement
Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes
I haven't watched "Heroes" at all this season. What is killing the show? Is the original creator and writing team gone?- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:00:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes What will it take for NBC to finally decide that the time for "Heroes" has come and gone? This week's ratings might be it. After two weeks of matching a series low, "Heroes" found a way to do even worse as it languishes in its new timeslot, and remains unable to keep audiences tuning in for "Chuck." "Heroes" earned a a 2.4 rating/4 share, according to Fast National ratings from The Nielsen Co. That was more than 17 percent off its premiere in the 9 p.m. slot, itself a now previous all-time low for the series. It also becomes NBC's lowest-rated program of the season overall, beating out the previous low set by "The Jay Leno Show" on Nov. 9 that picked up a 2.6/5. "Heroes" didn't even come close to challenging its competition, which included the high-rated comedy block of "Two and a Half Men" and "Big Bang Theory" on CBS, "24" on Fox and "The Bachelor" on ABC. It only beat the series premiere of "Life Unexpected" on The CW, but did it only by 41 percent. We say "only" because the other show closest to "Heroes" in the timeslot, "The Bachelor," beat "Life Unexpected" by 312 percent. "Chuck" came down a little bit from its triad premiere last week. It clocked in a 3.9/6, down a little more than 9 percent from its previous week. That's mostly on par with how the show did last season when it earned a 4.0/6 in average overnights. That means "Heroes" lost more than 38 percent of its lead-in audience from "Chuck." That's also the same percentage "Heroes" is now off of its already low-rated premiere, and is now more than 22 percent off its season average. This is the second week "Heroes" is at 9 p.m., averaging a 2.7/4 in the timeslot, 23 percent off its 8 p.m. average of 3.5/5. Fast Nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are watching by pulling numbers from the top urban markets that includes both live viewing and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point generally represents more than 1.1 million households while the share indicates the percentage of televisions turned on that was tuned to the specific program. These numbers typically shift when final ratings are issued. Data collected from The Nielsen Co., as distributed by Zap2it. BlipNetwork tracks non-news, non-event programming, and figures for this story reflect airing of new episodes only. For more information on the Audience Loyalty Index, click here. http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7058
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I agree, I've heard the same from Africans I know. Still, I rankle at treatments of any group where only the negatives are shown. I get it, but it's the same dangerous precedent for American movies where Blacks and Latinoes have been portrayed as always poor, gangbangers, or thieves. - Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:09:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' I’ve met some people from South Africa who tell me that when Apartheid ended, Nigerian mob types moved in to exploit the situation and now basically rule the underworld there and in other places in Africa. I have seen them portray in a similar way in other South African films. There were also portray as having superstitions in those other movies. You might note, that they portrayed Black South Africans similar to the way they portrayed White South Africans. The Black South Africans I have met seem to resent them. I would imagine that many White South Africans do to. Since was originally filmed for the South African Market, it seems to me that it is not odd that most South Africans would assume that the Nigerian mob in South Africa would exploit the alien situation. So why I do not think I would be pleased if I were in charge of the Nigerian Tourism Bureau, I do not see this as racism per se, but maybe a common stereotype about a group, Similar to how Italians were portrayed here in the twentieth century. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:37 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' Good points he makes. I haven't seen "Avatar" yet, but loved "District 9", with the one notable exception of how the Nigerians were portrayed. I just wish the article hadn't started with the relative costs and profits of each film. The point that more money doesn't a better film make is certainly true. Indeed, crap like Transformers prove that. But I wouldn't use just costs or profit margins to rate a film's worthiness for an award. What do you think Tracey, having seen both films? Which is a better film in terms of overall quality? - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "glenn" ggs...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:37:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' In a deeply divisive race, an argument as to why Neill Blomkamp deserves the Oscar for Best Picture more than James Cameron (part 1) http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7054 Posing this very controversial argument, I want to share why “District 9” is more Oscar-worthy than the mega-hit “Avatar.” Surely, the virtually unknown sci-fi film that was one of the few films to cross over the $200 million mark this past summer deserves a little attention – and as the Producers Guild’s nomination for Best Picture has proven, it is a worthy contender to watch out for during this award season. Cost v. Profits Looking first at the numbers, money talks. “District 9” cost only $30 million to make and then went on to make more than $204 million in the worldwide box office ($115 domestically). That is a return of six times what it cost to make. Any way you look at it that is a phenomenal return on a mere $30 million investment; and with a prestigious PGA nomination and further DVD sales racking up, this profit margin will only continue to rise. As for “Avatar,” it cost $237 million to make, plus another $150 million for marketing, and has grossed more than $1.6 billion world-wide to date. That is not a bad return either. But it is only a profit margin of four times its cost. However, given that “Avatar’s” resulting profit margin is more than $1 billion, it is not a number to discount. I cannot imagine that the investors for “Avatar” are displeased with such a modest return. So in the money game, both films are providing huge monetary profits for their investors, with “Avatar” edging out “District 9” due to its boffo box office sales. But it can never be said that “District 9” did not do well, as it is one of a handful of films to ever cross the $200 million mark. Realism v. Fantasy Looking next at which film was more realistic, “District 9” is hands-down the winner in that category. Taking a page right out of last year’s Oscar winner’s playbook, “District 9” was filmed in the actual slums of Chiawelo, Soweto in South Africa. Not only did they film amongst the filth and degradation of the slums, it was filmed simultaneous to the attempted forced-relocation of the Abahlali bas
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes
What was the lesbian hoopla? Why are they at a carnival? Finally, is the original writing team gone? Didn't they fire a couple of the early writers who were also comic book writers? Is that part of the problem? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:33:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes Everything is wrong with the show right now. I finally gave up this season. Too much Sylar, Claire, Hiro and the Carnies are...Carnies. No one wants that. They are ripping off Carnivale and every bad comic book cliche you can name and doing it badly. And lets not forget the lesbian hooplah that was the most boring thing on tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I haven't watched Heroes at all this season. What is killing the show? Is the original creator and writing team gone? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:00:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes What will it take for NBC to finally decide that the time for Heroes has come and gone? This week's ratings might be it. After two weeks of matching a series low, Heroes found a way to do even worse as it languishes in its new timeslot, and remains unable to keep audiences tuning in for Chuck. Heroes earned a a 2.4 rating/4 share, according to Fast National ratings from The Nielsen Co. That was more than 17 percent off its premiere in the 9 p.m. slot, itself a now previous all-time low for the series. It also becomes NBC's lowest-rated program of the season overall, beating out the previous low set by The Jay Leno Show http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif on Nov. 9 that picked up a 2.6/5. Heroes didn't even come close to challenging its competition, which included the high-rated comedy block of Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory on CBS, 24 on Fox and The Bachelor on ABC. It only beat the series premiere of Life Unexpected http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif on The CW, but did it only by 41 percent. We say only because the other show closest to Heroes in the timeslot, The Bachelor, beat Life Unexpected by 312 percent. Chuck came down a little bit from its triad premiere last week. It clocked in a 3.9/6, down a little more than 9 percent from its previous week. That's mostly on par with how the show did last season when it earned a 4.0/6 in average overnights. That means Heroes lost more than 38 percent of its lead-in audience from Chuck. That's also the same percentage Heroes is now off of its already low-rated premiere, and is now more than 22 percent off its season average. This is the second week Heroes is at 9 p.m., averaging a 2.7/4 in the timeslot, 23 percent off its 8 p.m. average of 3.5/5. Fast Nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are watching by pulling numbers from the top urban markets that includes both live viewing and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point generally represents more than 1.1 million households while the share indicates the percentage of televisions turned on that was tuned to the specific program. These numbers typically shift when final ratings are issued. Data collected from The Nielsen Co., as distributed by Zap2it. BlipNetwork tracks non-news, non-event programming, and figures for this story reflect airing of new episodes only. For more information on the Audience Loyalty Index, click here . http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7058
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes
what happened to Tim Sale? What about creator Tim Kring? Is he not helping? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:17:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes You're thinking of Jeph Loeb and he was part of the problem. Without Tim Sale as a co-creater he leaves a lot to be desired. Jeph Loeb back at Marvel turning everything he touches into crap. Bryan Fuller from Pushing Daisies, Dead Like Me, etc. came onboard for a while but the damage was already done and he left too. The lesbian crush was part of Claire's adventures at college. Her roomate was in love with her. And I'm not even going to attempt to explain the whole Carnival nonsense. They are a group of Carnies with abilities and they are lead by a psycho who thinks Sylar or maybe Peter is going to be their salvation. Or something. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: What was the lesbian hoopla? Why are they at a carnival? Finally, is the original writing team gone? Didn't they fire a couple of the early writers who were also comic book writers? Is that part of the problem? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:33:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes Everything is wrong with the show right now. I finally gave up this season. Too much Sylar, Claire, Hiro and the Carnies are...Carnies. No one wants that. They are ripping off Carnivale and every bad comic book cliche you can name and doing it badly. And lets not forget the lesbian hooplah that was the most boring thing on tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I haven't watched Heroes at all this season. What is killing the show? Is the original creator and writing team gone? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:00:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes What will it take for NBC to finally decide that the time for Heroes has come and gone? This week's ratings might be it. After two weeks of matching a series low, Heroes found a way to do even worse as it languishes in its new timeslot, and remains unable to keep audiences tuning in for Chuck. Heroes earned a a 2.4 rating/4 share, according to Fast National ratings from The Nielsen Co. That was more than 17 percent off its premiere in the 9 p.m. slot, itself a now previous all-time low for the series. It also becomes NBC's lowest-rated program of the season overall, beating out the previous low set by The Jay Leno Show http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif on Nov. 9 that picked up a 2.6/5. Heroes didn't even come close to challenging its competition, which included the high-rated comedy block of Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory on CBS, 24 on Fox and The Bachelor on ABC. It only beat the series premiere of Life Unexpected http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif on The CW, but did it only by 41 percent. We say only because the other show closest to Heroes in the timeslot, The Bachelor, beat Life Unexpected by 312 percent. Chuck came down a little bit from its triad premiere last week. It clocked in a 3.9/6, down a little more than 9 percent from its previous week. That's mostly on par with how the show did last season when it earned a 4.0/6 in average overnights. That means Heroes lost more than 38 percent of its lead-in audience from Chuck. That's also the same percentage Heroes is now off of its already low-rated premiere, and is now more than 22 percent off its season average. This is the second week Heroes is at 9 p.m., averaging a 2.7/4 in the timeslot, 23 percent off its 8 p.m. average of 3.5/5. Fast Nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are watching by pulling numbers from the top urban markets that includes both live viewing and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point generally represents more than 1.1 million households while the share indicates the percentage of televisions turned on that was tuned to the specific program. These numbers typically shift when final ratings are issued. Data collected from The Nielsen Co., as distributed by Zap2it. BlipNetwork tracks non-news, non-event programming, and figures for this story reflect airing of new episodes only. For more information on the Audience Loyalty Index, click here . http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7058
Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father
WTF? I'm trying to see that trademark disheveled Rourke, the way he slouches, the nearly slurred, bored speech, playing a Cimmerian? Maybe they can dress him up in enough garb to make it work - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:00:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Mickey-Rourke-Rumored-To-Play-Conan-The-Barbarian-s-Father-16672.html Marcus Nispel's remake of Conan the Barbarian is currently scheduled to begin filming in mid-March, but they seem to be missing a few people - more specifically, the entire cast. Word was just sent down the wire that Jason Momoa will be playing the legendary Cimmerian, but unless the film is a one man show ( it's not ) then they are going to have to find a bunch of people very quickly. It appears that they may be doing just that. Latino Review has just begun a rumor by claiming that Mickey Rourke has been offered the role of Corin, the leader of the Cimmerians and Conan's father. Be sure to note the words rumor and offered in the last sentence. In the film, Corin teaches his son, who is born a savage killer, to control his ferocious instincts. Because when I think of Mickey Rourke, I think of a man in control. It'll be surprising if the rumor is true, since the role seems small for an actor nominated for Best Actor only two years ago, and now playing the main villain in one of this year's biggest blockbusters. Had Rourke instead been rumored for Khalar Singh, the man who kills Corin in the film, it might be slightly more believable. For now, hold out for more information. O t’s official. Momoa is the new Conan! Last week Michael Fleming on Deadline Hollywood reported that Jason Momoa and Kellan Lutz along with a third more well known name were contenders to topline CONAN for Lionsgate. Who was the 3 rd well known name which Michael Fleming didn’t mention? It was Supernatural’s JARED PADALECKI. Padalecki worked with Marcus Nispel recently on the Friday the 13 th reboot. Prior to Padalecki auditioning, Momoa, Lutz, and another unknown actor named John Brotherton went through a series of rigorous screen tests. From those original three, it was Momoa who emerged early on as Marcus Nispel’s top choice with Kellan Lutz a distant second. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/conan-has-been-cast-exclusive-extra-conan-s-father-could-be-a-wrestler-9032
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Tracey,I get your point. Indeed, i have many discussions with my wife about movies and their depictions of reality. She doesn't like when they're too depressing or gritty. She loved "Precious", for example, but found the glut of negatives heaped on the main character overwhelming. Her preference is romantic comedies, movies where the hero wins, etc. I argue all the time that the truth is sometimes ugly, but it must be told. As a writer, that's what I try to do. So maybe it's true that Nigerians in that part of South Africa, in a slum like that, would be all "bad".But as a writer I'm also a big believer in viewing a topic from all sides. For example, I strongly supported "Boyz in Da Hood" and "Menace 2 Society" as purveyors of a sad but necessary truth, but I then wanted more movies to show those blacks who weren't criminals or giving in to the negatives of inner city life. If the Nigerians here are shown as all bad, is there an impetus for those who put forth that portrayal to later give us another, more positive view of them, if not in this flick, then in the next? Else, we may end up with portrayal after portrayal like this.I know that people tend to stereotype or focus sometimes only on the bad. I can acknowledge that many Nigerians are engaging in behaviour that's criminal, but I'm troubled when the response is "Everyone thinks that about them", or "That's just the way it is". I think of how many movies I've seen portraying Arabs as murderous fanatics, Roma ("gypsies") as carousing, ne'er-do-well thieves, black and Latinoes as welfare products and criminals, etc. I just worry that people who say that's just the way it is have no desire in seeing another side.Guess it's just the old liberal in me used to fighting overwhelming negative stereotypes that bristles at this. :)- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:04:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
But the question is, are regular everyday Nigerians in South
Africa, or did just the mob element make the move. I know so little about
South Africa, this movie and one I saw with Ving Rhames left me with more
questions than answers about Nigerians in Africa. My personal experience is
with Nigerian more like the crotch bomber. Daddy is rich and powerful and he
sends the kids to school in Europe and The US and then sets them up in business
if they cannot make it on their own. I realize that is a distorted picture as
well.
So the question is, are the majority of Nigerians in South
Africa a part of their mob gang? If so, than in my view it might not be a
stereotype
From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:50 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I
agree, I've heard the same from Africans I know. Still, I rankle at treatments
of any group where only the negatives are shown. I get it, but it's the same
dangerous precedent for American movies where Blacks and Latinoes have been
portrayed as always poor, gangbangers, or thieves.
- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:09:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I’ve met some people from South Africa
who tell me that when Apartheid ended, Nigerian mob types moved in to exploit
the situation and now basically rule the underworld there and in other places
in Africa. I have seen them portray in a similar way in other South
African films. There were also portray as having superstitions in those other
movies. You might note, that they portrayed Black South Africans similar
to the way they portrayed White South Africans. The Black South Africans
I have met seem to resent them. I would imagine that many White South
Africans do to. Since was originally filmed for the South African Market,
it seems to me that it is not odd that most South Africans would assume that
the Nigerian mob in South Africa would exploit the alien situation. So
why I do not think I would be pleased if I were in charge of the Nigerian
Tourism Bureau, I do not see this as racism per se, but maybe a common
stereotype about a group, Similar to how Italians were portrayed here in the
twentieth century.
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:37 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Good points he makes. I haven't seen &quo
Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father
I haven't seen The Wrestler. Rourke--whom I like--reminds me of some kind of older, brokedown, dissipated version of Christian Slater. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father Think of his performance in the wrestler with swords. At least I'm sure that's what his agent said during the pitch. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: WTF? I'm trying to see that trademark disheveled Rourke, the way he slouches, the nearly slurred, bored speech, playing a Cimmerian? Maybe they can dress him up in enough garb to make it work - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:00:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Mickey-Rourke-Rumored-To-Play-Conan-The-Barbarian-s-Father-16672.html Marcus Nispel's remake of Conan the Barbarian is currently scheduled to begin filming in mid-March, but they seem to be missing a few people - more specifically, the entire cast. Word was just sent down the wire that Jason Momoa will be playing the legendary Cimmerian, but unless the film is a one man show ( it's not ) then they are going to have to find a bunch of people very quickly. It appears that they may be doing just that. Latino Review has just begun a rumor by claiming that Mickey Rourke has been offered the role of Corin, the leader of the Cimmerians and Conan's father. Be sure to note the words rumor and offered in the last sentence. In the film, Corin teaches his son, who is born a savage killer, to control his ferocious instincts. Because when I think of Mickey Rourke, I think of a man in control. It'll be surprising if the rumor is true, since the role seems small for an actor nominated for Best Actor only two years ago, and now playing the main villain in one of this year's biggest blockbusters. Had Rourke instead been rumored for Khalar Singh, the man who kills Corin in the film, it might be slightly more believable. For now, hold out for more information. O t’s official. Momoa is the new Conan! Last week Michael Fleming on Deadline Hollywood reported that Jason Momoa and Kellan Lutz along with a third more well known name were contenders to topline CONAN for Lionsgate. Who was the 3 rd well known name which Michael Fleming didn’t mention? It was Supernatural’s JARED PADALECKI. Padalecki worked with Marcus Nispel recently on the Friday the 13 th reboot. Prior to Padalecki auditioning, Momoa, Lutz, and another unknown actor named John Brotherton went through a series of rigorous screen tests. From those original three, it was Momoa who emerged early on as Marcus Nispel’s top choice with Kellan Lutz a distant second. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/conan-has-been-cast-exclusive-extra-conan-s-father-could-be-a-wrestler-9032 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the disturbing incidents raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign, Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both surprised and frustrated by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election, Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday. Vicki Kennedy, the senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out to save her husband's legacy. We need your help. We need your support. We need you to get out there and vote on Tuesday, Kennedy said. We need you to bring your neighbors. We need you to bring your
Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father
Naw, Slater looks okay! Though i am concerned the guy keeps taking TV roles that get canceled. At least, I'm pretty sure his second series will be canceled soon... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:15:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father Maybe its the other way around? :) On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't seen The Wrestler. Rourke--whom I like--reminds me of some kind of older, brokedown, dissipated version of Christian Slater. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father Think of his performance in the wrestler with swords. At least I'm sure that's what his agent said during the pitch. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: WTF? I'm trying to see that trademark disheveled Rourke, the way he slouches, the nearly slurred, bored speech, playing a Cimmerian? Maybe they can dress him up in enough garb to make it work - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:00:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Mickey-Rourke-Rumored-To-Play-Conan-The-Barbarian-s-Father-16672.html Marcus Nispel's remake of Conan the Barbarian is currently scheduled to begin filming in mid-March, but they seem to be missing a few people - more specifically, the entire cast. Word was just sent down the wire that Jason Momoa will be playing the legendary Cimmerian, but unless the film is a one man show ( it's not ) then they are going to have to find a bunch of people very quickly. It appears that they may be doing just that. Latino Review has just begun a rumor by claiming that Mickey Rourke has been offered the role of Corin, the leader of the Cimmerians and Conan's father. Be sure to note the words rumor and offered in the last sentence. In the film, Corin teaches his son, who is born a savage killer, to control his ferocious instincts. Because when I think of Mickey Rourke, I think of a man in control. It'll be surprising if the rumor is true, since the role seems small for an actor nominated for Best Actor only two years ago, and now playing the main villain in one of this year's biggest blockbusters. Had Rourke instead been rumored for Khalar Singh, the man who kills Corin in the film, it might be slightly more believable. For now, hold out for more information. O t’s official. Momoa is the new Conan! Last week Michael Fleming on Deadline Hollywood reported that Jason Momoa and Kellan Lutz along with a third more well known name were contenders to topline CONAN for Lionsgate. Who was the 3 rd well known name which Michael Fleming didn’t mention? It was Supernatural’s JARED PADALECKI. Padalecki worked with Marcus Nispel recently on the Friday the 13 th reboot. Prior to Padalecki auditioning, Momoa, Lutz, and another unknown actor named John Brotherton went through a series of rigorous screen tests. From those original three, it was Momoa who emerged early on as Marcus Nispel’s top choice with Kellan Lutz a distant second. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/conan-has-been-cast-exclusive-extra-conan-s-father-could-be-a-wrestler-9032 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Absolutely true. As Tracey said, they may honestly believe that's an accurate depiction of Nigerians in South Africa. I just fear it sticks and becames the de facto portrayal of them in the movies.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:14:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I think that Hollywood likes using stereotypes because they are easy to use. (there's a name for those kind of characters) An example is the "veteran cop" character. Every show uses a cop has one. Sort of a pre-packaged idea of a character without any development needed.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
Tracey,I get your point. Indeed, i have many discussions with my wife about movies and their depictions of reality. She doesn't like when they're too depressing or gritty. She loved "Precious", for example, but found the glut of negatives heaped on the main character overwhelming. Her preference is romantic comedies, movies where the hero wins, etc. I argue all the time that the truth is sometimes ugly, but it must be told. As a writer, that's what I try to do. So maybe it's true that Nigerians in that part of South Africa, in a slum like that, would be all "bad".
But as a writer I'm also a big believer in viewing a topic from all sides. For example, I strongly supported "Boyz in Da Hood" and "Menace 2 Society" as purveyors of a sad but necessary truth, but I then wanted more movies to show those blacks who weren't criminals or giving in to the negatives of inner city life. If the Nigerians here are shown as all bad, is there an impetus for those who put forth that portrayal to later give us another, more positive view of them, if not in this flick, then in the next? Else, we may end up with portrayal after portrayal like this.
I know that people tend to stereotype or focus sometimes only on the bad. I can acknowledge that many Nigerians are engaging in behaviour that's criminal, but I'm troubled when the response is "Everyone thinks that about them", or "That's just the way it is". I think of how many movies I've seen portraying Arabs as murderous fanatics, Roma ("gypsies") as carousing, ne'er-do-well thieves, black and Latinoes as welfare products and criminals, etc. I just worry that people who say that's just the way it is have no desire in seeing another side.
Guess it's just the old liberal in me used to fighting overwhelming negative stereotypes that bristles at this. :)- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:04:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
But the question is, are regular everyday Nigerians in South
Africa, or did just the mob element make the move. I know so little about
South Africa, this movie and one I saw with Ving Rhames left me with more
questions than answers about Nigerians in Africa. My personal experience is
with Nigerian more like the crotch bomber. Daddy is rich and powerful and he
sends the kids to school in Europe and The US and then sets them up in business
if they cannot make it on their own. I realize that is a distorted picture as
well.
So the question is, are the majority of Nigerians in South
Africa a part of their mob gang? If so, than in my view it might not be a
stereotype
From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:50 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I
agree, I've heard the same from Africans I know. Still, I rankle at treatments
of any group where only the negatives are shown. I get it, but it's the same
dangerous precedent for American movies where Blacks and Latinoes have been
portrayed as always poor, gangbangers, or thieves.
- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:09:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I’ve met some people from South Africa
who tell me that when Apartheid ended, Nigerian mob types moved in to exploit
the situation and now basically rule the underworld there and in other places
in Africa. I have seen them portray in a similar way in other South
African films. There were also portray as having superstitions in those other
movies. You might note, that they portrayed Black South Africans similar
to the way they portrayed White South Africa
[scifinoir2] Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on 300. But what I saw was a bad imitation of 300: the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--...Blood and Sand already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make Spartacus: Blood and Sand an epic television event.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute
Is Last Hunt the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. Speaking of Last Hunt, if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever read the What If? version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by Kraven, starts the standard Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start gloating. Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but he's really really snapped. In order to capture the soul of the Spider, Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people know what a hero he really was. one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever read. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and build on it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home in time for dinner with Aunt B. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the gritty side of teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and have cut the budget to $80,000,000. Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have mixed results. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Who would he be? The Condor? I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos. Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the right part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@wrote: ... ... ... Okay, I'll ask... WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never been enamored of his work in the least. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; ggszig@; cinque3000@ From: tdlists@ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute [image: Bookmark and Share] http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250pub=xa-4a92b9d818cb896c [image: delays spidey] This
[scifinoir2] OT: Russian ice dance tribute offensive to Aborigines
When oh when will people learn! Don't mess with cultures so far from your understanding like this. check the pics: they look stupid, like kids wearing costumes in a school play! I like the one quote saying the elders in the bush would probably laugh themselves silly at the pair. *** [Yahoo sports] Russian ice dance tribute to Aborigines offensive to Aborigines By Maggie Hendricks Oksana Domnina and Maxim Shabalin, the favorites for ice-dancing gold in Vancouver, wowed the crowds with their routine at the European Championships. They sit in the lead after their original dance, a tribute to Australian Aborigines. Except, Aboriginal leaders don't see it as a tribute. They don't really see how it has anything to do with their culture at all . They have got the whole thing wrong, said Stephen Page, artistic director of the respected indigenous group, the Bangarra Dance Company. Page said there were no traditional movements in the routine, the music sounded more like it came from India or Africa than Aboriginal Australia and the body paint looked like a three-year-old child had drawn it on... Probably the elders in the bush would be laughing because they would be saying, 'Look how stupid these fellas are,' he said. Domnina and Shabalin are required to do an original dance that is representative of a country's culture. The U.S. pair of Tanith Belbin and Ben Agosto, who won silver in Torino, perform a Moldavian folk dance. Americans Meryl Davis and Charlie Davis won the Grand Prix Final with an Indian-inspired dance. The dances are not required to be strict interpretations of the culture -- they are meant to represent those cultures -- but Domnina and Shabalin completely miss the mark. At this point, it's likely too late for the pair to change their routine. Hopefully, an Australian will be on the panel who judges their original dance, and marks their unauthentic and offensive dances and costumes accordingly.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
And the other thing is, in America recently, third parties that gain any notoriety seem to be more conservative leaning. It's like the so-called independents: so many of them are really closet Republicans to my mind. Of course we have the likes of those who support Jerry Brown, but the liberal-leaning groups seem to be seen as fringe nut groups. It seems that it's usually the ones that are all about some kind mythical perfect America--one that's not all that diverse--that get the traction. I really believe a multi-party system would be better. Do you know, i heard recently about the five-person panel that runs the FCC, and its bylaws state its makeup in terms of Dems and Republicans? What the hey? That's crazy, as if two parties are natural and necessary. I'd like to see a Congress that's more put together like a European parliament. But as say, Martin, Americans are set in their ways, not too imaginative, and way too comfortable putting every single issue in terms of literal left and right, black and white. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:54:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'd love to have one as well, but, as I said before, we're about thirty years away from such. The reason so many of us chortle derisively at the mere mention of a third political party is because, for all the literature they may hand out displaying their platforms, instinctively, one can't help but get the feeling that they probably threw the manifesto together one night over pizza and beer. It needs to be established at the ground level. Let them field candidates for various city and state offices, and let the people of America see their ideas take root, and, more importantly, see if they can actually work. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:05:50 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'm a fan of having a true multi-party system, but I agree in this case. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I don't know, but I really want to strangle them. It was too close of a race to try for a third party. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Nimrods... when will they learn that third-party is a thing at least thirty years in the future? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:07:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69
[scifinoir2] Burn Notice on USA
There was an all-day Burn Notice marathon on today. It's capped off by a brand new ep at 10 pm EST tonight. That's followed by the new series White Collar, which isn't too bad.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
She evidently actually made a statement of exasperation where she said something to the effect of What did you want me to do? Stand outside Fenway in the rain handing out flyers? John Stewart on the Daily Show responded, I got this...yeah!! Not to be too fine a point on her lack of polish and charisma, but did you hear any part of her concession speech? She actually said There'll be two dogs that are very happy to have us back home! WTF? She lost a critical, critical seat, and her lame attempt at the silver lining is that her *dogs* will be happy to see her back at the house?? Man, Brown didn't win this seat--it was given to him. The only hope I can have is that he's a moderate, not another raving ultra-conservative nutcase. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:25:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts Thee word is that she did the one thing Ted Kennedy, Deity rest him well, would NEVER have done. She took the voters for granted. Kennedy would've been out there, listening to the people and shaking hands, even if her were 50 points ahead in the polls. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:03:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts They said on the news that Coakley ran a sloppy campaign. In a state that was mostly democrats how could the democrat candidate lose? Obviously she was asleep at the wheel... On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff
[scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work. Very little honest we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot. End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said no to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say no to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should belong to Robert Smigel , who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful puppeteering. The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for for a total of seven months. The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What should Conan do next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno?
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work. Very little honest we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot. End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said no to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say no to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should belong to Robert Smigel , who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful puppeteering. The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for for a total of seven months. The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What should Conan do next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Question: Would you modify your kid's genes?
Since they're in control of Tibet, and have their eye on Mongolia all the time, I guess the men will be taking brides from those regions? - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:17:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? Chinese social engineering has already created a problem. By restricting families to one child (most families opted for a boy even if that meant killing girl babies) they are now faced with a glut of marriage age men and a serious deficit of marriage age women. I wonder how that is going to work out for them. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: The slippery slope is my problem too, Tracey. I could see the Chinese engineering more boy births and fewer girl births, and someone might want to go the way of the Sauron supermen from The Mote In God's Eye (think the Augments from Enterprise, only meaner and less schemey). If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:22:42 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? See, I have some genetic , incurable crap too. I think I would want that out to. However, I believe it is likely a slippery slope From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:23 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? In a word, no, not even if it meant ridding them of the genetic combo that gave me what I've got. Though an improvement on my genes would be an incalculable gain for Mankind... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:17:11 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? Very soon the option of gene manipulation may come available. There are already methods that lean in that direction. Our near future may turn into a world that is similar to the movie Gattica. If the option became available do you think that if this option were available would you take that step to give your child the best advantages that he or she can have? Another question. Do you think that this kind of gene manipulation weaken the gene pool? -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. __ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
That's the first big laugh I've had on this topic in 24 hours!!! that jabbering, grinning little thing... really got to me! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:37:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts All he needs is that jabbering, grinning little thing that hops around all about him. But Beck has his own show. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'm sure that Jabba the hut is already on the radio celebrating. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Me and the other 47% will be cringing and wailing in horror. It's already started... ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you for your effort... :( - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
I'm a fan of having a true multi-party system, but I agree in this case. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I don't know, but I really want to strangle them. It was too close of a race to try for a third party. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Nimrods... when will they learn that third-party is a thing at least thirty years in the future? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:07:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices
Re: [scifinoir2] From Sci Fi Wire: The 'true story' of how Dr. King kept Uhura on Star Trek
It's true, I've heard that story bandied about for years. Pretty cool, eh? If you watch her roles in Trek, you can understand her feelings. For example, check out the ep The Corbomite Maneuver. The one where Kirk encounters the giant spherical spaceship that's commanded by that little manchild alien. The whole show, Kirk is engaged in a battle of wits with the creature he thinks is the commander. over and over he has to call the alien ship to bluster or threaten. He keeps telling Uhura, Ship-to-ship, to which she replies Hailing frequencies open, sir. I'm honestly thinking those are the only words she utters the entire ep. If you listen to her carefully, you can tell Nichols is bored to tears, her tone is so dead and lackluster. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:17:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] From Sci Fi Wire: The 'true story' of how Dr. King kept Uhura on Star Trek Got this from the horrorauthors list. Enjoy! :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html The 'true story' of how Dr. King kept Uhura on Star Trek If you're a Star Trek fan, you've no doubt heard the story of how Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. persuaded Nichelle Nichols to remain on the original series as Lt. Uhura when she was thinking of leaving after the first season. Well, we've heard it, too, but given that we celebrate Dr. King's legacy this week, it's worth repeating, especially as Savas Abadsidis recently interviewed Nichols for Planet Waves and posts what he's calling the true story of how that fateful encounter took place, in her own words. We've pasted Nichols' full comments below. I hope you will get the story right this time, because for some reason, no one has ever gotten this story right,(laughs). I, after the first season, because my heart was still on Broadway and the performing arts part of me, the musical performing arts of me was yearning to leave. I never intended to be an actress other than in the theater. So for me, TV and movies, that was something to help me get from here to there. And so it was a shock for me to be cast in Star Trek. A shock and a joy. I was performing in England at the time of the inception of the show and my agent tracked me down in Paris and told me that they were doing a show called Star Trek, assuming that I'd know what that was. Because I'd been in and out of the country for so long. Now I'd known Gene Roddenberry since he'd given me my first TV starring role in a show that he'd done called the 'The Lieutenant'. And he was one of the first people of that stature that gave me encouragement. He called my agent and said can you find Nichelle, because I need her for a role in this show and wherever she is, get her back here because I want a woman head of a department on the bridge. He changed the role from a man heading communications on the bridge and he wanted a woman of color. He wanted me and I came back and got the role. So the first year went by, and I enjoyed doing the role, to me at that time it was very challenging [laughs] but I played my role to the hilt, being the head of communications and all that and by this time the show had aired and I was starting to get notice and on the side I'm singing at places and people are hearing me and calling and I'm thinking, Oh this is my big break! I have to leave this little show and go do it! I was thinking Broadway here I come!' And so I went on a Friday evening shortly before the end of the season to let Gene know that I wouldn't be returning to the show, he looked at me like I was crazy, YOU CAN'T LEAVE, but he realized how serious I was and he knew I was passionate about singing, and he said, I know what your dream is and so forth but don't you see what I'm trying to do? He said take the weekend and think about my decision and how important this show is and how it was a first and if I leave, well he didn't know what to say, but he said take the weekend and that way I could take the time to really think about what we just said and come back Monday and we would talk about it and if you really want to leave then, you'll go with my blessings, but realize I want you to know that what we are doing here is really historic. The next night was Saturday and I was due to be a celebrity guest on a dais at an NAACP fundraiser at UCLA. One of the organizers came up to me and said that there was someone who wants to meet you; and he says that he's you're best, biggest fan and I'm thinking it's a Trekkie!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some people might like it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in general, as most of them have been a little too merry for my my tastes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Man, this is wild. When seeing It's Complicated the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen! Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a reimagining of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from Gladiator to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/
Re: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Do you not like Crowe, Crowe in this role, or a *buff* Crowe as Robin? - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:31:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood I saw that trailer before Sherlock Holmes and I was appalled, my mom and cousin who are much bigger Crowe fans than me (not hard to be even though really I should be all over since I like bigo ol' buff badass actors, but this guy does absolutely nothing for me) were super excited. I don't get the crazy buff image. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:51:12 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Man, this is wild. When seeing It's Complicated the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen! Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a reimagining of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from Gladiator to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
The Bergin version was more enjoyable. Thurman was a tough, plucky Marian. It's the first role I ever saw Thurman in, I believe, and I liked it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:08:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood People might have liked Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves to the tune of $390 million worldwide - I'm just saying. I was trying to find the box office for Bergin's Robin Hood when it hit me - Robin Hood was a TELEVISION movie. Didn't see it. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some people might like it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood  One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in general, as most of them have been a little too merry for my my tastes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Man, this is wild. When seeing It's Complicated the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen! Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a reimagining of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from Gladiator to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
That's even worse than Hop Sing! The wild thing about commercials is that they're worse now than back in the day! If you watch any re-aired eps of Star Trek, for example (especially the OS and TNG), you can catch snippets of the show missing here and there. The shows have been edited to shorten their length, as there's more time devoted to commercials in a TV hour nowadays than there used to be. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:56:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I am watching the Hunt the Man episode of Have Gun, Will Travel and right in the opening scene I am reminded of the one thing I didn't like about the series, Paladin's Chinese man-servant is named Hey Boy. Interesting side note: the actor who played Hey Boy played a character named House Boy in his first credit The General Died At Dawn in 1936 and ended his career in 1969 playing House Boy on The Big Valley. Is this a great country, or what? ~(no)rave! (by the by, the great thing about watching these old episodes on Encore is no commercials! The bane of watching old television episodes is the quadrillion commercials). --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Have Gun Will Travel? Did someone say Have Gun Will Travel? I LOVE Richard Boone's Paladin! Where is my DVR remote control? ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mark Ellis jaxler2@ wrote: Just about every evening, my TV watching ritual starts with Cheyenne, segues into The Rifleman then Have Gun-Will Travel and finally Gunsmoke.  MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:15 PM  And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following: Suzanne Pleshette... Michael Rennie (The Day The Earth Stood Still, The Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS ep Amok Time...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of The Twilight Zone... Susan Oliver (Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, The Cage)...an older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica-- great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy, western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT, USA, SyFy, and AE shows like Burn Notice, Eureka, etc. Lots of actors from the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY  Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/ writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old Invaders more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY  It's interesting that UFOlogy was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk. com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifino
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
I hear you. Even his speech at the end--something to the effect of, If a Moor can fight for Robin and justice, why can't you? was laughable and groan-inducing to me. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:31:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Keith, as much as I love Morgan Freeman as an actor, I deny the existence of that version of the movie. I was given it as a Christmas gift the holiday after the movie came out, and I donated my copy to the library. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:15:36 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some people might like it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in general, as most of them have been a little too merry for my my tastes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Man, this is wild. When seeing It's Complicated the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen! Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a reimagining of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from Gladiator to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
I don't know about that: Orlando Bloom fought in the Crusades in Kingdom of Heaven, and he's slim and pretty as can be for a man! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:49:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Keith, the morph of Crowe's Hood does make sense, from the standpoint of the time, when most warriors were beefy types. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:51:12 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Man, this is wild. When seeing It's Complicated the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen! Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a reimagining of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from Gladiator to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today
That was the point Rave and I were making. The Invaders was shot with the same sensibility, music, structure, plotting, even showrunners and actors, that you'd get from those 60's and 70's cop shows. That gave it a realism you wouldn't necessarily get in a scifi show like that all the time, especially back then. If you look at the Irwin Allen fare from those days (TIme Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea), and the Quinn Martin productions (Mannix, Cannon, The Fugitive, etc.), there are incredible similarities of feeling between the genre shows. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:17:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today I kind of enjoyed watching the Invaders. It was interesting to see a scifi show done with the same style as the Streets of San Francisco. :) OOooo! I just had an interesting thought. What if they did a scifi show in the style of Law and Order? On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: I can't really take marathons of shows either, Tracey, not even Doctor Who. I did have to tune out of The Invaders a couple of times, for my own sanity. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:18:52 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today I enjoyed the last marathon I saw a few years ago, but I enjoyed it more for the nostalgia. I’m not sure if I would watch it all the time like same the twilight zone. Same thing with time tunnel. I watch it every once in a while , (they had it in Mexico, but I do not think I would go for it on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:11 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today Tracey, I still do. The isolation and loneliness that Vincent had to be living with as he went, never fully knowing who he could trust. One ep this morn starred Suzanne Pleshette as a woman whom Vincent fell for (though he never betrayed the emotion, beyond his eyes), who was a quisling for the aliens. When he figured out that she'd betrayed him, he was gutshot. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:03:32 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today I used to love that show. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:53 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today Just fell across it. It's the original, with Roy Thinnes. IMO, worth a bit of time for the catch. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the disturbing incidents raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign, Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both surprised and frustrated by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election, Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday. Vicki Kennedy, the senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out to save her husband's legacy. We need your help. We need your support. We need you to get out there and vote on Tuesday, Kennedy said. We need you to bring your neighbors. We need you to bring your friends. Brown, who has trumpeted his 30 years of service in the National Guard, hewed to traditional GOP themes at the end of the campaign. He promised at a rally Sunday that, if elected, he would back tax cuts and be tougher on terrorists than Coakley. He also repeated a pledge to oppose Obama's health care reform effort. Massachusetts wants real reform and not this trillion-dollar Obama health care that is being forced on the American people, he said. As the 41st [Republican] senator I will make sure that we do it better. Forty-four percent of
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
That, and the public's like a rabid dog, just wanting to bite whomever's near... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:03:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts They said on the news that Coakley ran a sloppy campaign. In a state that was mostly democrats how could the democrat candidate lose? Obviously she was asleep at the wheel... On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the disturbing incidents raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign, Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both surprised and frustrated by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election, Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday. Vicki Kennedy, the senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out to save her husband's legacy. We need your help. We need your support. We need you to get out there and vote on Tuesday, Kennedy said. We need you to bring
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
Thank you for your effort... :( - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the disturbing incidents raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign, Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both surprised and frustrated by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. If you were fired up
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
Yeah, that racist old bastard will be chortling with glee. Mark my words: it's more than taking Teddy's seat or even possibly harming healthcare. Getting a young white dude who's an athlete is a godsend to those who've been seeking in vain for someone to hold up as their photogenic great hope. Romney's a Ken doll who's as plastic as his looks, and being a Mormon didn't help...Jendal turned out to be a crushing bore...Palin is nuts (but not going away)...Huckabee's older... I can see them in the backrooms right *now* rubbing their hands with glee over a young, white, handsome, *straight* (far as we know), conservative who they can groom to fight Obama. Hell, dude even said yesterday he looked forward to playing Obama in b-ball--I'd *love* to say the Prez throw some elbows on buddy! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'm sure that Jabba the hut is already on the radio celebrating. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Me and the other 47% will be cringing and wailing in horror. It's already started... ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you for your effort... :( - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected to be pretty good despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. I don't think weather is going to impede too many people from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather. Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the liberal lion of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide
[scifinoir2] The Invaders on SyFY
Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders. This was the original aliens walk among us plotting to take over the world show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from The X-Files (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to Third Wave. This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out.
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Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old Invaders more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY It's interesting that UFOlogy was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: Twelve O'Clock High, The Fugitive). Watching it now is kind of like watching old Wild, Wild West episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die cool, though. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders. This was the original aliens walk among us plotting to take over the world show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from The X-Files (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to Third Wave. This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
It's akin to the great dramatic opening of The Fugitive: Dr. Richard Kimbell an innocent victim of blind justice (cue a shot of the Blind Justice statue). In route to the death house when an accident of fate freed him. Freed him to search for his killer (picture of the One-Armed Man), freed him to toil at many jobs (pictures of David Jansen driving a tractor and doing other blue color stuff)...freed him to flee before the pursuit of the relentless Lieutenant obsessed with his capture (shots of the serious Lieutenant) Those were the great old dies of high (melo)drama TV, whether cop shows, medical shows, action shows (Remember Run for Your Life, To Catch a Thief?) I miss 'em, I miss the A QM Production intros, and I miss series where good music was a big part of the show! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:07:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY You gotta love the portentous opening narration: [opening narration] Narrator (William Woodson): The Invaders: alien beings from a dying planet. Their destination: the Earth. Their purpose: to make it *their* world. David Vincent has seen them. For him, it began one lost night on a lonely country road, looking for a shortcut that he never found. It began with a closed deserted diner, and a man too long without sleep to continue his journey. It began with the landing of a craft from another galaxy. Now, David Vincent knows that the Invaders are here, that they have taken human form. Somehow, he must convince a disbelieving world, that the nightmare has already begun... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders. This was the original aliens walk among us plotting to take over the world show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from The X-Files (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to Third Wave. This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
I actually think they hold pretty well, all things considered. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:19:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I loved all those old shows. Scifi has shown them from time to time. Perhaps they do not do well with ratings. Because as Rave says, they do not hold up well From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:51 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: Twelve O'Clock High, The Fugitive). Watching it now is kind of like watching old Wild, Wild West episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die cool, though. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders. This was the original aliens walk among us plotting to take over the world show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from The X-Files (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to Third Wave. This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
Sorry Martin, we must have been typing an announcement of this at the same time. Didn't see your earlier post. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:08:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY For me, Tracey, they're holding up better than Siffy's usual fare. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:19:55 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I loved all those old shows. Scifi has shown them from time to time. Perhaps they do not do well with ratings. Because as Rave says, they do not hold up well From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:51 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: Twelve O'Clock High, The Fugitive). Watching it now is kind of like watching old Wild, Wild West episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die cool, though. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders. This was the original aliens walk among us plotting to take over the world show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from The X-Files (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to Third Wave. This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
On the same show as Susan Oliver is an actor playing a police detective. I recognized him as having played Commodore Wesley on Star Trek. He was the one who led the Starfleet task force that was testing the Richard Daystrom's M5 computer when it was running the Enterprise. Man I'm loving seeing all these old familiar faces! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Unfortunately, we may not see actors of that caliber showing up on tv shows anymore because Hollywood doesn't want to pay them for their skills. There are a couple of exceptions but it is becoming the norm. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following: Suzanne Pleshette...Michael Rennie (The Day The Earth Stood Still, The Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS ep Amok Time...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of The Twilight Zone... Susan Oliver (Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, The Cage)...an older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica-- great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy, western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT, USA, SyFy, and AE shows like Burn Notice, Eureka, etc. Lots of actors from the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old Invaders more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY It's interesting that UFOlogy was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: Twelve O'Clock High, The Fugitive). Watching it now is kind of like watching old Wild, Wild West episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die cool, though. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
Funny! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Keith, I admit to geeking out at the ep with Michael Rennie. Martin (did say Klaatu barada nikto several times) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:34:24 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY On the same show as Susan Oliver is an actor playing a police detective. I recognized him as having played Commodore Wesley on Star Trek. He was the one who led the Starfleet task force that was testing the Richard Daystrom's M5 computer when it was running the Enterprise. Man I'm loving seeing all these old familiar faces! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Unfortunately, we may not see actors of that caliber showing up on tv shows anymore because Hollywood doesn't want to pay them for their skills. There are a couple of exceptions but it is becoming the norm. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following: Suzanne Pleshette...Michael Rennie (The Day The Earth Stood Still, The Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS ep Amok Time...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of The Twilight Zone... Susan Oliver (Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, The Cage)...an older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica-- great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy, western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT, USA, SyFy, and AE shows like Burn Notice, Eureka, etc. Lots of actors from the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old Invaders more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY It's interesting that UFOlogy was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena
Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes
You're talking about It's a Good Life, starring Billy Will Robinson Mumy from Lost in Space, as the evil and omnipotent Anthony. That's a great one, one of the top ten easily. It's always shown during a Zone marathon, so shouldn't be hard to catch next time. By the way, the most recent incarnation of Twilight Zone--the one hosted by Forest Whitaker--revisited that evil Anthony, now an adult with a daughter (gotten by a woman too terrified to say no to his advances--how revolting). It's a very good ep, one of the best, and totally justifies going back to that world. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:16:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes Keith, as for which came first, the ep or the joke..i am going 2 go with the ep..as 4 watching the zone as a kid...it scared the bejezus out of me sometimes! and you are totally correct about the end of times ep's in the series. one f my most memorable ep's was the one about the kid sending people 2 the 'corn field' when he got upset with them. i have tried around the holidays 2 catch that ep again so that i can record it, but i seem 2 never 2 able 2 catch it. Fate. --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 5:48 PM And on another note, as a kid, shows like this often had me confused or frightened. When I first saw the Twilight Zone ep described below, i thought it reasonable that the Devil would make a last minute grab at a soul in route to Heaven. So my young mind was frightened at the thought that some day *I'd* face some tough test--what if I failed and ended up in a lake of fire and brimstone? What if I didn't have a faithful hound dog to help me defeat the Devil's ploy? As an adult, I think differently, of course, and ain't worried about Satan getting one last shot on souls who've died in Grace. But man did that stuff scare me as a kid! Let's not even start on Revelation and some of the horrors it described for the end times! - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:42:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This is a take on a classic ep of The Twilight Zone. In it, an old hillbilly guy goes hunting for 'coon with his hound dog, even though his wife begs him not too. She'd seen signs and portents that something awful would happen. The man and his dog pursue a raccoon into a river, then things go blank. Later he tries to go home, but quickly realizes he's died, and can't be seen or heard by his wife or anyone else. Sorrowfully, he and his hound dog walk along a dirt road toward their reward. The man stops at one place with a slick-looking guard before a gate, but his dog is upset and barks at the guy. The gatekeeper says no pets allowed in Heaven, and the old man sadly says I don't want no part of a place that won't accept my dog. They then keep walking, and end up at a simple gate with a hillbilly chewing on a piece of straw, who says Howdy! We've been waiting for you! He says that dogs are sho' 'nuff welcome in Heaven, and then tells the relieved old man that the fancy place down the street was Hell. They gatekeeper was always lying in order to do a last minute grab on saved souls, he explained, but the Devil couldn't fool a dog! I wonder if this joke precedes or comes after that Twilight Zone, which is at least forty years old? - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com To: Sci Fi scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:30:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This answers all questions explains why I forward jokes. A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and ashe got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough, he called out, 'Excuse me, where are we?' 'This is Heaven, sir,' the man answered
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
On what channel? I have one on Comcast, WSBR (or something like that), that shows older stuff. One morning I turned on the tube at 2 am, to see Daniel Boone! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:02:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Just about every evening, my TV watching ritual starts with Cheyenne, segues into The Rifleman then Have Gun-Will Travel and finally Gunsmoke. MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:15 PM And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following: Suzanne Pleshette... Michael Rennie (The Day The Earth Stood Still, The Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS ep Amok Time...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of The Twilight Zone... Susan Oliver (Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, The Cage)...an older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica-- great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy, western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT, USA, SyFy, and AE shows like Burn Notice, Eureka, etc. Lots of actors from the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/ writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old Invaders more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY It's interesting that UFOlogy was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk. com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: Twelve O'Clock High, The Fugitive). Watching it now is kind of like watching old Wild, Wild West episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die cool, though. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series The Invaders
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY
Oh yeah, i have that one too. My late father was a huge Western fan. I still get a little sad sometimes when watching a shoot-em-up. Back home in Fort Worth in the 70s and 80s, one of the local TV stations showed a block of Westerns all Saturday: Rawhide, Have Gun Will Travel, Bonanza, The Rifleman, etc. My dad would watch as many of them as he could when he was home. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:16:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY They have a western channel that replays all of the old western tv shows and movies. My father watches it continuously. Its called the Encore Western Channel on comscum digital. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On what channel? I have one on Comcast, WSBR (or something like that), that shows older stuff. One morning I turned on the tube at 2 am, to see Daniel Boone! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:02:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Just about every evening, my TV watching ritual starts with Cheyenne, segues into The Rifleman then Have Gun-Will Travel and finally Gunsmoke. MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:15 PM And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following: Suzanne Pleshette... Michael Rennie (The Day The Earth Stood Still, The Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS ep Amok Time...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of The Twilight Zone... Susan Oliver (Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, The Cage)...an older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica-- great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy, western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT, USA, SyFy, and AE shows like Burn Notice, Eureka, etc. Lots of actors from the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/ writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old Invaders more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: Mark Ellis jaxl...@yahoo. com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY It's interesting that UFOlogy was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk. com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Invaders on SyFY To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking
[scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Man, this is wild. When seeing It's Complicated the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen! Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a reimagining of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from Gladiator to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/
Re: [scifinoir2] Has anyone read the novel called We ?
I tried to read the first Helliconia book about a decade ago, but couldn't get more than ten pages into it. I haven't read a novel in about four months, and am going through my boxes of books to start my wintertime scifi/fantasy reading. On the list are the Wheel of Time books, which I own but have never read, the latest Raymond Friest books on Midkemia (which are very good), and Terry Brooks' books about the Word and the times that led up to the post-apocalyptic world that would become the world of Shannara. Is Helliconia worth putting on the list? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:54:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Has anyone read the novel called We ? Mr Worf, a very, very, VERY long time ago. It was, in fact, the third SF novel I ever read, after Aldiss' Helliconia Winter and Moorcock's The Sailor on the Seas of Fate. Didn't find it very interesting at the time, but that might've been because I made the mistake of reading it immediately after Moorcock. Like eating Mickey D's after feasting on Kobe beef. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:10:34 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Has anyone read the novel called We ? They say that is the grandfather to many of the bleaker scifi novels such as Brave New World and 1984. info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_%28novel%29 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Hmm... how to explain a History full of Nigella Lawson references to the wife? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:19:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again But... but... this is better than real porn! And you don't have to erase it from your History after every viewing. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:58:22 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Yeah, but Giada doesn't have as much to *show* as Nigella! Okay, enough of the food porn talk! - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:40:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I remember her from The Phantom as the femme fatale. BTW I agree with the sentiment about Giada Delaurintis vs. Nigella. White guys love Giada and her cleavage. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) †Jul 22, 2009 LONDON †British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women
Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm
Thanks for the heads up. Why is Sinestro drawn all wrong? Skin color's off, he's way too muscular. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm The Green Lantern reboot is airing tonight on the Cartoon network.
Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm
Must've been the light. His skin color is okay, but he's still a bit bulkier than in the comics. what's up with this green element, yellow element stuff as the source of the Great Battery? - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:18:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm Thanks for the heads up. Why is Sinestro drawn all wrong? Skin color's off, he's way too muscular. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm The Green Lantern reboot is airing tonight on the Cartoon network.
Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm
Thanks again, that was good--damn good! Better than I expected. Good music, nice plot, engaging action and drama. More mature than I expected too, as lots of people died, and not just accidentally, either. There were some straight out killings portrayed onscreen. The scene when Sinestro took out the Battery, and Rings starting raining down from the sky (the rings of Lanterns who were in space and died when their Rings failed) that was awesome. Not being a GL expert, I wondered how much the history was changed. Did Sinestro, for example, really possess the power to defeat the Guardians and the Corps single handedly? They also killed a couple of Lanterns that I thought had survived, such as the one with the bird beak. But minor quibbles. I enjoyed it very much. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm The Green Lantern reboot is airing tonight on the Cartoon network.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Yeah, but Giada doesn't have as much to *show* as Nigella! Okay, enough of the food porn talk! - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:40:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I remember her from The Phantom as the femme fatale. BTW I agree with the sentiment about Giada Delaurintis vs. Nigella. White guys love Giada and her cleavage. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) †Jul 22, 2009 LONDON †British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain
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The funniest thing? A few years ago, Kirk Douglas, frailer, speech slurring due to his unfortunate stroke, was asked about Michael's marriage to Zeta-Jones. With that characteristic wink and gleam in his eye--undimmed despite the stroke--he says I told Michael, if I were 20 years younger, I'd have given him a run for his money for Catherine! I had to chuckle, but one also remembers that Kirk was a notorious philanderer for years. Kinda sad that old age and a near-death experience had to settle him down enough so his longsuffering wife could finally enjoy him. Still, gotta laugh at the old fart's pluck! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:47:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I recall spending many an hour wondering what he had to draw her in, ended up assessing it as his star power more than anything else. All of my lady friends say that he's long past his prime. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:20:28 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they
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Can't imagine how I'd explain away getting up shortly after dawn on a Sunday morning to watch a cooking show featuring food that's often too fatty for my tastes! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:48:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Every now and then, a new ep slips on on Sunday mornings at 7. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:16:26 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again is her show still on??? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I'm with you there, Keith, re Nigella. (Admission of a demented mind -- whenever her show Nigella Bites comes on Food Network, I always add, Me! ) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:28:50 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Then how does Alba and Hepburn get mentioned in that category. As for Nigella Lawson, lord yes! That's one of the few times a woman on TV got me to watching a show I'd otherwise not watch. Note the way the cameraman always had to start the camera at tabletop level, then pan all the way up Nigella's body before he got to her face? And when she would stick her finger in some creamy or savory concoction, stick it in her mouth and say ummm.. Oh my goodness. She's like the Marina Deanna Troi Sirtis' hotter sister (and Sirtis is hot, so that's saying a lot). I'm not sure why Lawson left, but that Italian lady who's on Food Channel now doesn't do it for me. Curiously, at my old job, a bunch of (white) guys and I were discussing the Food Channel. All of them were saying the Italian lady was incredibly hot. I said Lawson put her to shame. To a man, they all said I was crazy...? - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:03:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Even though I think these people are sick with it, a 0.7 hip to waist ratio is the classic 36-24-36 the Commodores sang about (What a winning hand!). Check out the photo of the woman with the 0.69 ratio at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-hip_ratio it is quite fetching (women always look bigger with their clothes off - no, this is NOT a bad thing). Love Nigella Lawson by the way. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ha! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again  Picking chin up off of my keyboard On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic
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Ha! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Picking chin up off of my keyboard On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly, from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I have trouble thinking of Kenya Moore and Selma Hayek as thick, but I hear you. To me, Jennifer Hudson is thick--and luscious! - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:57:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call thick... However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with real shapes (at least in Dr. Who). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the waist-to-hip ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that perfect figure included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an apple or pear shape, but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures, said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back. And she added: They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes. A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose significantly , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers.
