CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[cking001]

How fortuitous is Brooke's DIY encapsulation project!

I subscribe to Dr Whitakers newsletter and the latest issue talks
about a new delivery system for curcumin.
I wouldn't have any idea of what it was except for our recent
discussion on this list.
Here is part of it lifted by Omnipage:

Delivery System Makes a Difference

I've recommended curcumin and turmeric to my patients and subscribers
for years and have regularly taken supplemental curcumin myself.
There's only one problem—curcumin is notoriously poorly absorbed.
That's why many supplements also contain
quercetin and/or piperine, herbal extracts that enhance its
bioavailability.
The new form of curcumin that I've been using, called Meriva, employs
a special delivery system to ensure optimal bioavailability. Meriva is
a phytosome complex, which means-that the active ingredient is bound
to phosphatidylcholine in order to make it easier for your body to
absorb. This gives you a lot more bang for your buck. Studies have
demonstrated that just 450 mg of Meriva is equivalent to 4 g of
regular curcumin in terms of increasing blood levels.
Page 6  Vol. 19, No. 9

Looks like we are in on the ground floor of a new health revolution!

Chuck

Never stand between a fire hydrant and a dog.



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Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Stephen Rose]

I'm beginning to think that serrapeptase might benefit from this.

Steve


cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

How fortuitous is Brooke's DIY encapsulation project!

I subscribe to Dr Whitakers newsletter and the latest issue talks
about a new delivery system for curcumin.
I wouldn't have any idea of what it was except for our recent
discussion on this list.
Here is part of it lifted by Omnipage:

Delivery System Makes a Difference

I've recommended curcumin and turmeric to my patients and subscribers
for years and have regularly taken supplemental curcumin myself.
There's only one problem—curcumin is notoriously poorly absorbed.
That's why many supplements also contain
quercetin and/or piperine, herbal extracts that enhance its
bioavailability.
The new form of curcumin that I've been using, called Meriva, employs
a special delivery system to ensure optimal bioavailability. Meriva is
a phytosome complex, which means-that the active ingredient is bound
to phosphatidylcholine in order to make it easier for your body to
absorb. This gives you a lot more bang for your buck. Studies have
demonstrated that just 450 mg of Meriva is equivalent to 4 g of
regular curcumin in terms of increasing blood levels.
Page 6  Vol. 19, No. 9

Looks like we are in on the ground floor of a new health revolution!

Chuck

Never stand between a fire hydrant and a dog.







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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have looked at this Tara, but I would wait for someone like Ode or  
Marshall's expert opinion on this.  It doesn't sound particularly  
different to what we make ourselves on this list although they seem to  
claim that it is.  I don't know why they put hypoallergenic on it  
though.  Maybe someone else will know.  dee


On 22 Aug 2009, at 19:55, Tara McClintick wrote:


Hello,

I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding  
treating my son with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A  
nutritional expert has recommended this product for my 13 year old  
son.  I was given info. about this list as a place to find out more  
info.  Any experience?  Risks?


Thank-you, Tara

Tara McClintick
www.booksbytara.com

Re: CS[List Owner] Checking in, checking up?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Me too.  It is quite extraordinary that you can really *feel* the hole  
in the universe when someone has left it.  I miss the lovable oddball  
and his mind bending posts more than I can say.  dee


On 22 Aug 2009, at 19:31, M. G. Devour wrote:


Hi folks,


As all of you, I've been quietly mourning the loss of Wayne. He and I
only corresponded occasionally off-list, but I've long enjoyed his
contributions and unique perspective. I even had to rattle his cage a
time or two when he got a bit too frisky... Thanks, Wayne. I hope
you've found a good place.

Peace.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CScorrection tissue bed

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Guessing here, but it may be to do with being able to be used (?) by  
the mitochondria of the actual cells themselves.  dee


On 23 Aug 2009, at 00:47, Shirley Reed wrote:

 Sorry,  That is 5 times more effective than any other orally  
administered Vit. C and more rapid tissue bed availability.  At any  
rate, what is tissue bed availability?   Hope I got it right this  
time!!  :)   pj   I'm super glad this isn't rocket science.






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Re: CSGrave's disease

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Yes, I am going to keep this post too.  Aging is I believe, caused  
largely by lack of enzymes which the pancreas only has a finite amount  
of; therefore it slows down the amount it produces over the years  
after a certain age, in order to last.  This will cause fibrin to  
build up in the joints and arteries etc.,  I believe enzyme  
supplementation can also help with autoimmune disorders and also a lot  
of other things including cancer.  See Dr Wong or Enzymestuff.com dee


On 23 Aug 2009, at 05:06, Jean Baugh wrote:


Hi Malcolm,

I immediately passed on your information to my friend.  They are in  
pretty

bad shape from the sound of it.

After thinking about it a bit, am beginning to think auto immune  
diseases

are more common than uncommon.

Very interesting information about re-educating your immune system.

I've even wondered if aging might be an auto immune disease.

Thank you,

Jean

*

Since Grave's is considered an autoimmune disease your friend (or  
you)

might find that CMO  (Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate) could be
useful. Long name, for sure, but there are several hyped products
calling themselves CMO that are not the right stuff so the name helps
one distinguish.

The basic idea is that CMO helps the immune system cool out, so it is
much less likely to remain overstimulated and attack one's own self  
as
an enemy.  It doesn't damp down the immune system, more like re- 
educate

it.  There's quite a bit of info on the web, and some of Brooks
Bradley's posts from a year or so ago go into it's use in some  
detail.

Those posts can probably be found on Wayne Fugitt's archives;

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/

You'll maybe have to poke around a little . . .

HTH,
Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:28 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote:

Hi,

Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease.   
It has been

passed on to the person who has this.

Great list, great people!

Thank you,




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Re: CSBrooks: About GSH need. COMMENT.

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

thanks to all for the info.  dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 06:08, Pat Lane wrote:

GSH = Glutathione Sulfhydryl - from the trailing email of Brooks'  
email of 9/21/09

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:

From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
Subject: Re: CSBrooks: About GSH need. COMMENT.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 1:01 PM

I don't know but the acronym is used for either Glutathione or  
Glutathione Peroxidase.

- Steve N

Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve?  I have been taking this  
but recently read that one should only take 20,000 active units of  
this because the effects are as yet unchartered.  Can't remember what  
expert it was who said this though.  It was on one of the hundreds of  
web sites I trawl.  dee


On 23 Aug 2009, at 07:42, Stephen Rose wrote:


I'm beginning to think that serrapeptase might benefit from this.

Steve

Re: Re: CSRE: Making first batch

[j.sherri]

Hi Dan,

Considering cleaning off the rods in mid process - keeping the rods as 
pristine as possible and avoiding the residue - which seems I've 
accumulated - albeit a very small amount.


I sent away for a laser which should help in seeing the *action*.
Thanks so much for this wisdom, much appreciated.
Joy



Dan Nave wrote:

Sounds to me that this is just fine for initial CS making.

In this sort of setup, the positive electrode will get slightly black
and the negative electrode will get somewhat dark and build up with
fuzzy material.  Sometimes it is referred to as a beard.  Some
people like to clean off the electrodes at a certain point and then
continue the brew for a half hour or an hour, etc, it is up to you.
Some say that you can stop brewing when the beard starts to form.  It
depends on how much water you are using and how well stirred or how
well the silver is dispersed into the water.

It does seem that 15 minutes might be a bit quick for that to happen,
but it also depends on how much water is used in your setup and how
close the electrodes are to each other.  Also, as you say, the
Distilled Water may not be the best, or there was a slight
contamination from your hands or soap or something.

Nevertheless, with a light gold color, and this setup, I would think
it is fine to use internally or externally.

Try lighting the water container from the back side while brewing.  At
some point you will see small clouds coming off the electrodes,
which will tell you that it is getting near done.  For this kind of
unregulated/unmetered setup, I usually shoot for slight yellow CS so I
know there is something there...

Dan

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM, j.sherribeitharm...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Hi Joseph,

I set up a barebones type of generator - 4 9v's  - 2 rods that I got off
ebay that said ., 2 9v connectors and 2 alligator clips. I am using
whatever distilled water I can get - unfortunately it's not easy to find
where I live and the one place I did find - perhaps didn't have the absolute
best. But it is what it is  - and that is that I used. About 15 minutes
after hooking everything up I noticed both rods getting black. One then
started getting fuzzy black. I kept the power going for about 3 hours,
during which I adjusted the connectors a bit and then started noticing the
particles rising. The result was a light yellow.
I am dealing with 3 sick cats in Israel. It's the best I can do. I need help
with this, no doubt. I did dose them with it anyway because simply I have
nothing else I can give them. That's the story. I'm hoping I can get some
kind of distiller down the line but right now I'm tapped out financially as
well. So it's just blessing after blessing.
Stay cool.
Joy





Hi Joy,

First off, forgive this list for ignoring your question. I expected
someone more knowledgeable than myself to respond as I consider myself a
newbie too. Hopefully someone answered your questions off list. This is a
wonderful list but newbies do get ignored sometimes. A little baffling when
a newbie doesn't get answered about basic CS.

To answer your questions, No I probably would not drink it.  No, I have
never seen bubbles in mine. If you have external uses, foot bath, cuts,
rashes fungus, etc., use it for that. Or maybe let it settle  decant
whatever sinks.
Here's some questions for you. What do you mean by generator?  Hows your
cs maker built? Is it DC? Direct current? Do you know the voltage? If its a
plug in transformer, like from radio shack, it'll say a number followed by
the letter V. Are you using batteries? If you connect them end to end,
like in a flashlight, you add the voltages together.

Mine is a dc wall transformer, it runs 12v for 30-60 minutes, then I turn
it over to reverse the polarity for another bit of time.
Was this helpful?

  

*From: *j.sherri beitharm...@gmail.com mailto:beitharm...@gmail.com
*Date: *August 21, 2009 2:05:25 AM PDT
*To: *silver-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject: **CSMaking first batch - Couple of questions?*


Hi,


I put up a bare bones generator and both rods are black one with
barnacles. Not seeing any activity such as bubbles. It's been an hour. How
long does it take for the tiny bubbles to start? Is that a perquisite even?

Thanks so much,
Joy




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Re: [beitharm...@gmail.com: Re: Re: CSRE: Making first batch]

[j.sherri]

The guy is on YouTube and put together a device to make the CS - his 
screen name is efreeme. Does anyone know about the silver he's selling? 
All I can do is go on trust and faith with this - the rods seem to be a 
very soft and malleable silver.


Re the water - I am using distilled water that I got from a pharmacy. 
They sell it here in bulk which means you bring your own container. What 
could have *possibly* happened is that the plastic water container that 
I brought them had a tiny drop of the mineral water in it - and thereby 
contaminated the distilled. That is a possibility. I will go back and 
get more and do another batch with a cleaner bottle and post the results.


Thanks so much for your input. Much appreciated,
Joy


B.Trig wrote:

Hi Joy,

I wouldn't recommend using the resulting brew for anything until you're
sure you've actually got silver of at least .999 purity for electrodes.
I get . (99.99% pure) from this site http://tinyurl.com/mnkj2t
Never had any problems, and it's pretty cheap.

BTW I reposted this to the list, so others might be able to comment -- hope 
you don't mind. Once in a while hitting reply sends mail to the poster's

personal address instead of the list, I'm thinking that's probably what
happened with this mail.

HTH,

  



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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Ode Coyote]

  Stephan Quinto product...good stuff...from a lying salesman.
No different in any significant way from what we make at home for $1 a gallon.
Electrically Isolated Silver [EIS]  95% ionic with completely bogus 
particle size claims, mixed contexts and mixed terms designed to confuse 
the buyer.


http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr36/cpr_36.html
 Thanks to Frank Key

Ode



At 02:55 PM 8/22/2009 -0400, you wrote:


Hello,



I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my 
son with silver specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has 
recommended this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about 
this list as a place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?




Thank-you, Tara



Tara McClintick

http://www.booksbytara.comwww.booksbytara.com











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Re: CSRE: Making first batch

[Ode Coyote]

  Using that method, one electrode turning fuzzy black is normal. [Silver 
Oxide]
The other turning black, isn't. [Who knows what, being made out of silver 
ions and water contaminationprobably. ]
 Normally, That one would be sort of whitish to tan with Silver Hydroxide 
and metallic silver dust


Not bad in a pinch, animals don't care...you have NO idea how strong it 
is...it'll work.


 For you?

..won't kill ya.  Could save your butt in an emergency.
 Probably wouldn't want to make a habit out of using a lot of it for a 
long time.


could be better without much effort.

More info:

http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html
http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/FREE-DIY.html

[Quick cheap and dirty current control.If you see a Golden 
mist  remove a battery]


Ode


At 10:15 PM 8/22/2009 +0300, you wrote:

Hi Joseph,

I set up a barebones type of generator - 4 9v's  - 2 rods that I got off 
ebay that said ., 2 9v connectors and 2 alligator clips. I am using 
whatever distilled water I can get - unfortunately it's not easy to find 
where I live and the one place I did find - perhaps didn't have the 
absolute best. But it is what it is  - and that is that I used. About 15 
minutes after hooking everything up I noticed both rods getting black. One 
then started getting fuzzy black. I kept the power going for about 3 
hours, during which I adjusted the connectors a bit and then started 
noticing the particles rising. The result was a light yellow.
I am dealing with 3 sick cats in Israel. It's the best I can do. I need 
help with this, no doubt. I did dose them with it anyway because simply I 
have nothing else I can give them. That's the story. I'm hoping I can get 
some kind of distiller down the line but right now I'm tapped out 
financially as well. So it's just blessing after blessing.

Stay cool.
Joy




Hi Joy,

First off, forgive this list for ignoring your question. I expected 
someone more knowledgeable than myself to respond as I consider myself a 
newbie too. Hopefully someone answered your questions off list. This is a 
wonderful list but newbies do get ignored sometimes. A little baffling 
when a newbie doesn't get answered about basic CS.


To answer your questions, No I probably would not drink it.  No, I have 
never seen bubbles in mine. If you have external uses, foot bath, cuts, 
rashes fungus, etc., use it for that. Or maybe let it settle  decant 
whatever sinks.
Here's some questions for you. What do you mean by generator?  Hows 
your cs maker built? Is it DC? Direct current? Do you know the voltage? 
If its a plug in transformer, like from radio shack, it'll say a number 
followed by the letter V. Are you using batteries? If you connect them 
end to end, like in a flashlight, you add the voltages together.


Mine is a dc wall transformer, it runs 12v for 30-60 minutes, then I turn 
it over to reverse the polarity for another bit of time.

Was this helpful?



*From: *j.sherri beitharm...@gmail.com mailto:beitharm...@gmail.com
*Date: *August 21, 2009 2:05:25 AM PDT
*To: *silver-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject: **CSMaking first batch - Couple of questions?*




Hi,

I put up a bare bones generator and both rods are black one with 
barnacles. Not seeing any activity such as bubbles. It's been an hour. 
How long does it take for the tiny bubbles to start? Is that a perquisite even?


Thanks so much,
Joy




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Re: [beitharm...@gmail.com: Re: Re: CSRE: Making first batch]

[Ode Coyote]

  The guy doesn't understand his meter.
RO water can be pure enough, but usually isn't.
 A Britta filter will add more impurities to the silver water than it removes.

 Letting the stuff settle for a few days and decanting works far better 
than any filter you can buy short of a low micron lab filter.


..and you can get a far better automatic PPM control / current controlled 
generator than that.. for less than $100


Ode



At 10:41 AM 8/23/2009 +0300, you wrote:
The guy is on YouTube and put together a device to make the CS - his 
screen name is efreeme. Does anyone know about the silver he's selling? 
All I can do is go on trust and faith with this - the rods seem to be a 
very soft and malleable silver.


Re the water - I am using distilled water that I got from a pharmacy. They 
sell it here in bulk which means you bring your own container. What could 
have *possibly* happened is that the plastic water container that I 
brought them had a tiny drop of the mineral water in it - and thereby 
contaminated the distilled. That is a possibility. I will go back and get 
more and do another batch with a cleaner bottle and post the results.


Thanks so much for your input. Much appreciated,
Joy


B.Trig wrote:

Hi Joy,

I wouldn't recommend using the resulting brew for anything until you're
sure you've actually got silver of at least .999 purity for electrodes.
I get . (99.99% pure) from this site http://tinyurl.com/mnkj2t
Never had any problems, and it's pretty cheap.

BTW I reposted this to the list, so others might be able to comment -- 
hope you don't mind. Once in a while hitting reply sends mail to the poster's

personal address instead of the list, I'm thinking that's probably what
happened with this mail.

HTH,





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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

brilliant article Ode, another one to save.  dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 11:13, Ode Coyote wrote:


 Stephan Quinto product...good stuff...from a lying salesman.
No different in any significant way from what we make at home for $1  
a gallon.
Electrically Isolated Silver [EIS]  95% ionic with completely  
bogus particle size claims, mixed contexts and mixed terms designed  
to confuse the buyer.


http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr36/cpr_36.html
Thanks to Frank Key

Ode



At 02:55 PM 8/22/2009 -0400, you wrote:

CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[sms]

Tara,
Have no fear.  Argentyn 23 is an excellent over the counter, high quality
silver product as is the company that produces it, Natural Immunogenics.
If you have no way to make your own - you can count on Argentyn 23 or
Sovereign Silver.
You can google it and the company and find out more.
And you can also contact the company to learn the quantity your son may
benefit from having Autism.
Check this link out for the use of colloidal silver and autism.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/nutritional.htm

S-Max

On 22 Aug 2009, at 19:55, Tara McClintick wrote:


Hello,
 
I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my
son with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has
recommended this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about
this list as a place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?
 
Thank-you, Tara
 
Tara McClintick
www.booksbytara.com
 
 
 
 


 

RE: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Tara McClintick]

Sorry, I had missed this post, I will read the info. on this site as well -
THANKS!

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com

 

 

  _  

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:20 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

 

brilliant article Ode, another one to save.  dee

 

On 23 Aug 2009, at 11:13, Ode Coyote wrote:





 Stephan Quinto product...good stuff...from a lying salesman.
No different in any significant way from what we make at home for $1 a
gallon.
Electrically Isolated Silver [EIS]  95% ionic with completely bogus
particle size claims, mixed contexts and mixed terms designed to confuse the
buyer.

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr36/cpr_36.html
Thanks to Frank Key

Ode



At 02:55 PM 8/22/2009 -0400, you wrote:

 

Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Stephen Rose]

Sorry, not especially.  I've just read that it has a hard time getting 
through the digestive system.


Steve


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve?  I have been taking this but 
recently read that one should only take 20,000 active units of this 
because the effects are as yet unchartered.  Can't remember what expert 
it was who said this though.  It was on one of the hundreds of web sites 
I trawl.  dee



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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Norton, Steve]

Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own for 
about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is very 
desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own 
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N




From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat Aug 22 13:55:24 2009
Subject: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 



Hello, 

 

I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my son 
with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has recommended 
this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about this list as a 
place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?

 

Thank-you, Tara

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com

 

 

 

 

RE: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Tara McClintick]

Do you consider an ionic percentage of over 60% to be potentially unsafe? Is
that what the controversy is about?  I'm just curious, learning about silver
is all very new to me.

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com

 

 

  _  

From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

 



Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best
value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own
for about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is very
desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide
to the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver
particles is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N

 

  _  

From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat Aug 22 13:55:24 2009
Subject: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

Hello, 

 

I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my
son with silver - specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has
recommended this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about
this list as a place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?

 

Thank-you, Tara

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com

 

 

 

 

Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Norton, Steve]

Not a safety issue at all. I believe that most of the ionic silver is rendered 
inactive by the stomach acic and silver particles are not. However a 
significant amount of ionic silver passes through mucus membranes and is 
possibly the most effective of the silver. So you want sufficient ionic silver 
to pass what you can through the mucus membranes and the rest as the smallest 
silver particles you can get. 
- Steve N



From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 11:20:51 2009
Subject: RE: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 



Do you consider an ionic percentage of over 60% to be potentially unsafe? Is 
that what the controversy is about?  I’m just curious, learning about silver is 
all very new to me.

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com

 

 



From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

 



Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own for 
about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is very 
desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own 
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N

 



From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat Aug 22 13:55:24 2009
Subject: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

Hello, 

 

I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my son 
with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has recommended 
this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about this list as a 
place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?

 

Thank-you, Tara

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com

 

 

 

 

Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I read this too.  dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 16:55, Stephen Rose wrote:

Sorry, not especially.  I've just read that it has a hard time  
getting through the digestive system.


Steve


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I have been lead to believe that 80% ionic to 20% colloidal is the  
best percentages to have.  Trem has provided an article which claims  
that  Natural Immunogenics (who make Argentyn 23) actually did in  
vitro tests that proved that ionic is the most efficaceous.  This is  
the mix that most of us make on this list I believe, to consume on a  
regular basis that is.  This is the mix that works for me and all the  
other people I supply.  I think that Argentyn 23 is outrageously  
expensive too though. dee


On 23 Aug 2009, at 17:04, Norton, Steve wrote:




Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the  
best value.


First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make  
your own for about 1/100 of that.


Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content  
is very desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less  
than 60% if possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the  
percentage of silver particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small  
amount of hydrogen peroxide to the EIS you make. I should let you  
know that ionic silver vs silver particles is a controversial subject.
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your  
own several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver  
(high silver particle content) are:


* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N

Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[sol]

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 
I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid 
artery blockage).

sol


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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Norton, Steve]

There is a difference between in vitro and in vivo performance of ionic silver. 
Ionic silver should always perform better than silver particles in in vitro 
tests because a significant portion of the ionic silver has not been converted 
to silver chloride by the stomach acid as it would in vivo. Depending on how 
you perform the tests you can have them confirm just about anything you want. 
Steve Foss first pointed that out to me but I didn't have enough of an 
understanding at that time to understsnd it all. I am not saying that anyone 
biased some tests but how one views the ionic vs particles issue can mislead 
them if they are not careful. 
Admittedly my 60/40 ionic to particle ratio is just a guess but I think it 
might be conservative on the ionic and not the particle side. 
- Steve N



From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 12:46:51 2009
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 


I have been lead to believe that 80% ionic to 20% colloidal is the best 
percentages to have.  Trem has provided an article which claims that  Natural 
Immunogenics (who make Argentyn 23) actually did in vitro tests that proved 
that ionic is the most efficaceous.  This is the mix that most of us make on 
this list I believe, to consume on a regular basis that is.  This is the mix 
that works for me and all the other people I supply.  I think that Argentyn 23 
is outrageously expensive too though. dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 17:04, Norton, Steve wrote:





Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best 
value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your 
own for about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is 
very desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your 
own several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N

Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Pat]

Silver Chloride still kills the germs, though, right?  When you mix a sinus 
rinse with colloidal silver and a salt, that's what you'd get.  My daughter 
does this once or twice every day but isn't blue yet, either.

Pat



From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:05:11 PM
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety


There is a difference between in vitro and in vivo performance of ionic silver. 
Ionic silver should always perform better than silver particles in in vitro 
tests because a significant portion of the ionic silver has not been converted 
to silver chloride by the stomach acid as it would in vivo.  Depending on how 
you perform the tests you can have them confirm just about anything you want. 
Steve Foss first pointed that out to me but I didn't have enough of an 
understanding at that time to understsnd it all. I am not saying that anyone 
biased some tests but how one views the ionic vs particles issue can mislead 
them if they are not careful. 
Admittedly my 60/40 ionic to particle ratio is just a guess but I think it 
might be conservative on the ionic and not the particle side. 
- Steve N



 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 12:46:51 2009
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 


I have been lead to believe that 80% ionic to 20% colloidal is the best 
percentages to have.  Trem has provided an article which claims that  Natural 
Immunogenics (who make Argentyn 23) actually did in vitro tests that proved 
that ionic is the most efficaceous.  This is the mix that most of us make on 
this list I believe, to consume on a regular basis that is.  This is the mix 
that works for me and all the other people I supply.  I think that Argentyn 23 
is outrageously expensive too though. dee


On 23 Aug 2009, at 17:04, Norton, Steve wrote:



Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own for 
about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is very 
desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own 
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N






  

CSGeneral Comment

[Brooks Bradley]

  I have been unable (because of more pressing events) to keep up with the list postings over the past couple of days.  I had over 2000 new emails from my two primary mail systemsthis poses a challenge for a mentally staggering octogenarian.
   If my posts include words/terms that are somewhat obtuse or unfamiliar to some of the list membersmy apologies.  I do not do this for affectation,  it is...unfortunately...a characteristic of my nature to speak/write in those terms which, automatically, spring to mind-in written, as well as spoken verbal exchanges and expressions.  There seems to be some question as to what I was referring when I used the _expression_ "tissue bed", in one of my later posts.  I believe it related to a comment about vitamin C availability.  What I was referring to, in this case, was organs or tissue fields (cells of common origin constituting a, primarily, monolithic [uniform] character).  My comment was designed to draw a contrast between the simultaneous availability LEVELS of vitamin C.in the bloodstream as opposed to organs and/or various tissues (muscles, bones, connective tissue, etc) existing throughout the bodyat a GIVEN point in time.  This I did in order !
 to call attention to the fact that vitamin C (as is also the case with many other substances) does not ALWAYS reflect the  titer (concentration/strength) occurring in the bloodstreamto be HIGHER than in organs/sites of the bodywhich are exterior/downstream to the main cardiovascular system.  e.g. until quite recently, most of conventional medical research "assumed" that the correlation between substance levels presenting in the cardiovascular system would be reflected  in "downstream" recipient tissue-at LOWER levels.  This assumption ignored the fact that entrained substances which were "isolated" (encapsulated) from the bloodstream "during transport" became available AFTER they had arrived at some location far out in the capillary portion of the cardiovascular system..thus making possible HIGHER concentrations than were being exhibited in the bloodstream proper.at the SAME TIME.  
   Note:  IF the vitamin C HAD NOT been "encapsulated", the levels occurring in any  area DOWNSTREAM to the main cardiovascular system...would not have been present in higher concentration than those UPSTREAM.
If I have simply confused the issue, my apology.  I do believe, however, one can through due diligencemake some sense from these comments.  At least, that is my hope.  
Sincerely,   Brooks Bradley.


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Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this  
and he didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee


On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve?
I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but  
gets better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial  
carotid artery blockage).

sol


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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Norton, Steve]

Yes, it is antimicrobial and is used in many antimicrobial coatings. From what 
I have read it's low soluability in water causes it to have a reduced 
effectiveness in the blood. As you may have read in previous posts, I have had 
an interest in silver citrate because you can make a very concentrated solution 
of it. But the high concentration can only be achieved by dissolving the silver 
citrate in a citric acid solution. Silver citrate also has a low soluability in 
water. (But it is still 10 times higher than silver chloride.) However it is 
very effective topically and I think that the solution you use is too. Also 
remember that if the silver ions and salt immediately recombine to form silver 
chloride you should see the silver chloride precipitate out of solution. 
Plus, you still have the silver particles that can pass through the mucous 
membrane as well. 
Personally I do not use salt in an EIS nasal spray. 
- Steve N



From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:35:33 2009
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 


Silver Chloride still kills the germs, though, right?  When you mix a sinus 
rinse with colloidal silver and a salt, that's what you'd get.  My daughter 
does this once or twice every day but isn't blue yet, either.

Pat



From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:05:11 PM
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety


There is a difference between in vitro and in vivo performance of ionic silver. 
Ionic silver should always perform better than silver particles in in vitro 
tests because a significant portion of the ionic silver has not been converted 
to silver chloride by the stomach acid as it would in vivo. Depending on how 
you perform the tests you can have them confirm just about anything you want. 
Steve Foss first pointed that out to me but I didn't have enough of an 
understanding at that time to understsnd it all. I am not saying that anyone 
biased some tests but how one views the ionic vs particles issue can mislead 
them if they are not careful. 
Admittedly my 60/40 ionic to particle ratio is just a guess but I think it 
might be conservative on the ionic and not the particle side. 
- Steve N



From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 12:46:51 2009
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 


I have been lead to believe that 80% ionic to 20% colloidal is the best 
percentages to have.  Trem has provided an article which claims that  Natural 
Immunogenics (who make Argentyn 23) actually did in vitro tests that proved 
that ionic is the most efficaceous.  This is the mix that most of us make on 
this list I believe, to consume on a regular basis that is.  This is the mix 
that works for me and all the other people I supply.  I think that Argentyn 23 
is outrageously expensive too though. dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 17:04, Norton, Steve wrote:





Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best 
value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your 
own for about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is 
very desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your 
own several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N

Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Norton, Steve]

Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because it 
dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I believe 
it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
- Steve N



From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this and he 
didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee

On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:


Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 


I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid artery 
blockage).
sol


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Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Trem]

Hi Steve,

I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a link showing 
Hans Niepers work many tears ago.  
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

Trem
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation


  Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because it 
dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I believe 
it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
  - Steve N



--
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


  I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this and he 
didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee


  On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

  Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 

I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid artery 
blockage).
sol


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Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Norton, Steve]

I agree. 
l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial carotid artery 
blockage.
- Steve N



From: Trem t...@silvergen.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 14:46:19 2009
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


Hi Steve,
 
I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a link showing 
Hans Niepers work many tears ago.  
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf
 
Trem

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because 
it dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I 
believe it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
- Steve N



From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this 
and he didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee 

On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:


Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 


I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase 
but gets better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid 
artery blockage).
sol


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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[john freese]

Hello, Steve
How much hydrogen peroxide do you add to a quart of cs when you brew? Thank 
you. John.

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:


From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:04 PM









Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own for 
about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is very 
desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own 
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N




From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat Aug 22 13:55:24 2009
Subject: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 



Hello, 
 
I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my son 
with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has recommended 
this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about this list as a 
place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?
 
Thank-you, Tara
 
Tara McClintick
www.booksbytara.com
 
 
 
 


  

Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Smitty]

 l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial carotid artery
 blockage.
  - Steve N

Here's some info on Nattokinase =

http://tinyurl.com/m2g3fp

Smitty


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Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Norton, Steve]

Actually this is better answered by Marshall since he discovered the technique. 
I use a tsp per gallon. But you must wait at least a couple of days after 
making the EIS before adding the hydrogen peroxide. 
IMO adding HP is one greatest EIS generation discoveries. Second only to using 
distilled water. 
BTW when using HP you can make a higher ppm EIS because the HP will reduce the 
particle size of agglomerated silver and give a higher percentage of particles. 
- Steve N

PS - I just reread my post below and the 60% in the following should have read 
40%;
percentage of silver particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of 
hydrogen



From: john freese jrf...@yahoo.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 16:49:19 2009
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 


Hello, Steve

How much hydrogen peroxide do you add to a quart of cs when you brew? Thank 
you. John.


--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:



From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:04 PM




Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best 
value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your 
own for about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is 
very desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your 
own several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N




From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat Aug 22 13:55:24 2009
Subject: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 



Hello, 

 

I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating 
my son with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has 
recommended this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about this 
list as a place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?

 

Thank-you, Tara

 

Tara McClintick

www.booksbytara.com http://www.booksbytara.com/ 

 

 

 

 

CSSerrapeptase

[Jean Baugh]

Hi Dee,

Interesting information on the blood thinning properties.  Of course, I
immediately think of coumadin and the China connection, and wonder why
Serrapeptase or nattokinese could not be used in place of coumadin?

My Serrapeptase enzyme is from Puritan Pride and measures 90,000 IU per one
capsule.

Thank you,

Jean

**

 I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this
 and he didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee
 
 On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:
 
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve?
 I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but
 gets better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial
 carotid artery blockage).
 sol
 
 
 --
 
 


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RE: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[jessie70]

I remember reading about a man who had extensive scar tissue from playing near 
Chernobyle as a child. His body was riddled with pain until he found 
Serraptease. Jess
  -Original Message-
  From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:01 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation


  I agree. 
  l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial carotid artery 
blockage.
  - Steve N



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  From: Trem t...@silvergen.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sun Aug 23 14:46:19 2009
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


  Hi Steve,

  I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a link showing 
Hans Niepers work many tears ago.  
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

  Trem
- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation


Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because it 
dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I believe 
it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
- Steve N




From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this and he 
didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee 


On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


  Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 

  I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid artery 
blockage).
  sol


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RE: CSSilver/Autism/Safety

[Neville Munn]

Steve, have you ever had an analysis of your EIS done for ion/particle ratio?  
That's just straight EIS as we produce it without HP added, straight from the 
brewery on might say g.

 

N.
 


Subject: Re: CSSilver/Autism/Safety
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:04:00 -0500
From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com






Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best value.

First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own for 
about 1/100 of that. 

Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is very 
desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 60% if 
possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage of silver 
particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to 
the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic silver vs silver particles 
is a controversial subject. 
If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own 
several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
particle content) are:

* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm

- Steve N




From: Tara McClintick tmcclint...@fuse.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat Aug 22 13:55:24 2009
Subject: CSSilver/Autism/Safety 



Hello, 
 
I am new to this list.  I am looking for information regarding treating my son 
with silver – specifically Argentyn 23.  A nutritional expert has recommended 
this product for my 13 year old son.  I was given info. about this list as a 
place to find out more info.  Any experience?  Risks?
 
Thank-you, Tara
 
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Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Trem]

Steve,

I have a complete blockage on the left side  and had an endarterectomy several 
years ago but it's still blocked above the repair site.  I was and am hoping to 
somehow dissolve the blockage before I croak.  sure hope it works so I take it 
t20,000 units twice daily.

Trem
  - Original Message - 

  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation


  I agree. 
  l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial carotid artery 
blockage.
  - Steve N



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  From: Trem t...@silvergen.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sun Aug 23 14:46:19 2009
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


  Hi Steve,

  I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out.  Here's a link showing 
Hans Niepers work many tears ago.  
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

  Trem
- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation


Nattokinese could be more effective in that specific instance because it 
dissolves blood clots and not because it dissolves arterial plaque. I believe 
it does not dissolve arterial plaque. 
- Steve N




From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun Aug 23 13:49:10 2009
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 


I'm not sure about nattokinese either sol, as I read Dr Wong on this and he 
didn't like the blood thinning properties of it.  dee 


On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:04, sol wrote:


  Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Do you have any info on Serrapeptase Steve? 

  I'm not Steve, but I have a friend who has tried Serrapeptase but gets 
better results with Nattokinase. (she has some kind of partial carotid artery 
blockage).
  sol


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Re: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

[Acmeair]

Trem, have you taken the liberty to look at Dr. linus Pauling's/ Dr. Mathis' work on Vita C. and lysine and proline, as it affects the ridding of plaque??? this work is why i'm so interested in Mr. Bradley's new NET, i.e. high consumption of vita c, without reaching the "bowell limit". this is all sonew, and so very interesting. good luck in your research, wherever it takes you. jimAug 23, 2009 07:05:46 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
 
Steve,

I have a complete blockage on the left side and had an endarterectomy several years ago but it's still blocked above the repair site. I was and am hoping to somehow dissolve the blockage before I croak. sure hope it works so I take it t20,000 units twice daily.

Trem

- Original Message - 

From: Norton, Steve 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation

I agree. l was commenting on the post about Nattokinase for a partial carotid artery blockage.- Steve N


From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun Aug 23 14:46:19 2009Subject: Re: CSRe: Liposomal Encapsulation 
Hi Steve,

I think Serrapeptase is best for cleaning plaque out. Here's a link showing Hans Niepers work many tears ago. http://www.life-enthusiast.com/enzyme/serrapeptase.pdf

Trem




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