Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Legally distilled water for drinking must be ozone treated to kill any possible pathogens. I suspect any labeled not for consumption has not had this treatment. Marshall On 6/9/2013 4:25 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: Distilled water in the laundry aisle is 'not for drinking' ... I agree distilled water is distilled water! (It's to be used in irons) Jane I just of never heard of Not for drinking distilled water before! I don't think it would be distilled if it is not drinkable, that could be where your stomach upset came from No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3199/5894 - Release Date: 06/08/13
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Any thoughts on building an ozone generator for water treatment? I'm not really interested in shelling out a few hundred dollars for a ready made one, and I do know about building Tesla coils and the like. On Mon, 10 Jun 2013, Marshall wrote: Legally distilled water for drinking must be ozone treated to kill any possible pathogens. I suspect any labeled not for consumption has not had this treatment. Marshall On 6/9/2013 4:25 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: Distilled water in the laundry aisle is 'not for drinking' ... I agree distilled water is distilled water! (It's to be used in irons) Jane I just of never heard of Not for drinking distilled water before! I don't think it would be distilled if it is not drinkable, that could be where your stomach upset came from No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3199/5894 - Release Date: 06/08/13
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Go to a fish store and buy an air pump, an ozonator, and a flowstone. Then simply connect them together, and bubble the ozone through the water. Marshall On 6/10/2013 10:30 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Any thoughts on building an ozone generator for water treatment? I'm not really interested in shelling out a few hundred dollars for a ready made one, and I do know about building Tesla coils and the like. On Mon, 10 Jun 2013, Marshall wrote: Legally distilled water for drinking must be ozone treated to kill any possible pathogens. I suspect any labeled not for consumption has not had this treatment. Marshall On 6/9/2013 4:25 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: Distilled water in the laundry aisle is 'not for drinking' ... I agree distilled water is distilled water! (It's to be used in irons) Jane I just of never heard of Not for drinking distilled water before! I don't think it would be distilled if it is not drinkable, that could be where your stomach upset came from No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3199/5894 - Release Date: 06/08/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3199/5898 - Release Date: 06/10/13
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Distilled water in the laundry aisle is 'not for drinking' ... I agree distilled water is distilled water! (It's to be used in irons) Jane I just of never heard of Not for drinking distilled water before! I don't think it would be distilled if it is not drinkable, that could be where your stomach upset came from
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Thanks for the advice all. I took a teaspoon-sized sip of the slighly yellowish brew and my stomach is not happy with me. Some cloves and lots of water settled things down a bit. Evidently I either need to adjust dosing or get some better distilled water. I haven't seen gastrointestinal upset linked with CS on any website so far, is there any reason at all to suspect the CS as the cause? On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Gregory Schaller wrote: James, on the COM-100 can it be used to test for purity of distilled water as well as strength (ppm or other) of CS solution? Your answer greatly appreciated, GS From: James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality I use a COM-100 EC/TDS/TEMP tester by HM Digital and would recommend this tester. It works very well and has three different non-linear EC-to-TDS conversion factors (KCl, 442TM, NaCl) as well as temp. From: Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality Hi Andreas: What is the conductance tester you are using? I only have experience with a PWT (which is designed to test pure water). It really shouldn't be off the chart. Any PWT or TDS meter should be able to read close to 1000 PPM. FYI: Rinsing with distilled water won't remove any actual residue in the glass container. To ensure total cleanliness: 1. Use a bit of 3% H2O2 in teh glass container, and wipe down thoroughly with a clean white paper towel. Leave a tiny amount of H2O2 in place for a few minutes before drying. 2. Rinse with distilled water 3. Dry with a clean white paper towel. 4. If you're a stickler for details, rinse once more with a tiny amount of distilled water (to remove any tiny fibers from the paper towel). I never use any type of soap product in any container I plan on brewing CS in. There are alot of contaminants that may not affect conductivity. However, distilled water is regulated, and while I don't agree with the current standards, contamination shouldn't be a great issue. ~Jason On 6/4/2013 10:58 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Hi Andreas, Try sipping some of the distilled water and see if that reacts? I find ginger or mint is also effective calming an upset tummy. :-) Hmmm. Usually cs is quite soothing to the stomach. The slight yellow is just indicative of larger particle size, not number of particles, and that is unlikely to cause upsets. You should not be getting larger particles unless the current is high ( should be less than 1mA / square inch anode area, Max. Or there is contamination. The most usual contamination is soap or detergent. OK, Tony On 5 Jun 2013 at 20:59, Andreas Hahn wrote about : Subject : Re: CSChecking distilled water qua Thanks for the advice all. I took a teaspoon-sized sip of the slighly yellowish brew and my stomach is not happy with me. Some cloves and lots of water settled things down a bit. Evidently I either need to adjust dosing or get some better distilled water. I haven't seen gastrointestinal upset linked with CS on any website so far, is there any reason at all to suspect the CS as the cause? big snip to end -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
On 5 Jun 2013 at 20:59, Andreas Hahn wrote about : Subject : Re: CSChecking distilled water qua Thanks for the advice all. I took a teaspoon-sized sip of the slighly yellowish brew and my stomach is not happy with me. Some cloves and lots of water settled things down a bit. Evidently I either need to adjust dosing or get some better distilled water. I haven't seen gastrointestinal upset linked with CS on any website so far, is there any reason at all to suspect the CS as the cause? Hi Andreas, It could be that the small dose of a teaspoon could have caused die-off and that would cause your body to react. Do you suspect that you are very toxic? A high microbial load in stomach? Instructions usually are to start off slowly. OK, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
I do happen to be a bit sick (the powerful antioxidants of the cloves have been helping, as has garlic), but this reaction is characteristic of I just put something in me I shouldn't have. Nothing at all like the reaction I get after a few cloves and a few cloves of garlic! Even a shot at H202 therapy (drop of 3% in a 200ml drinking glass full of water) did not produce this, though it did produce other undesirable side effects. Based on your previous message, I'm guessing the store-bought do-not-drink-labeled distilled water was not stored or processed in a potable and bacteria free manner. Presumably bacteria or whatever don't show up on a conductivity test. On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Tony Moody wrote: Hi Andreas, It could be that the small dose of a teaspoon could have caused die-off and that would cause your body to react. Do you suspect that you are very toxic? A high microbial load in stomach? Instructions usually are to start off slowly. OK, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
I just of never heard of Not for drinking distilled water before! I don't think it would be distilled if it is not drinkable, that could be where your stomach upset came from From: Andreas Hahn andreas.h...@laposte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality I do happen to be a bit sick (the powerful antioxidants of the cloves have been helping, as has garlic), but this reaction is characteristic of I just put something in me I shouldn't have. Nothing at all like the reaction I get after a few cloves and a few cloves of garlic! Even a shot at H202 therapy (drop of 3% in a 200ml drinking glass full of water) did not produce this, though it did produce other undesirable side effects. Based on your previous message, I'm guessing the store-bought do-not-drink-labeled distilled water was not stored or processed in a potable and bacteria free manner. Presumably bacteria or whatever don't show up on a conductivity test. On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Tony Moody wrote: Hi Andreas, It could be that the small dose of a teaspoon could have caused die-off and that would cause your body to react. Do you suspect that you are very toxic? A high microbial load in stomach? Instructions usually are to start off slowly. OK, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSChecking distilled water quality
Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
I would find another source if the DW(Distilled Water) you are buying says not for drinking goto walmart, publix or another store. DW is drinkable and if marked not to there is a problem with that source/brand. From: Andreas Hahn andreas.h...@laposte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
Hi Andreas: What is the conductance tester you are using? I only have experience with a PWT (which is designed to test pure water). It really shouldn't be off the chart. Any PWT or TDS meter should be able to read close to 1000 PPM. FYI: Rinsing with distilled water won't remove any actual residue in the glass container. To ensure total cleanliness: 1. Use a bit of 3% H2O2 in teh glass container, and wipe down thoroughly with a clean white paper towel. Leave a tiny amount of H2O2 in place for a few minutes before drying. 2. Rinse with distilled water 3. Dry with a clean white paper towel. 4. If you're a stickler for details, rinse once more with a tiny amount of distilled water (to remove any tiny fibers from the paper towel). I never use any type of soap product in any container I plan on brewing CS in. There are alot of contaminants that may not affect conductivity. However, distilled water is regulated, and while I don't agree with the current standards, contamination shouldn't be a great issue. ~Jason On 6/4/2013 10:58 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSChecking distilled water quality
We have found that the Crystal Brand of distilled water is better than others. The others didn't make as good of CS. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:58:49 +0200 From: andreas.h...@laposte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
I use a COM-100 EC/TDS/TEMP tester by HM Digital and would recommend this tester. It works very well and has three different non-linear EC-to-TDS conversion factors (KCl, 442TM, NaCl) as well as temp. From: Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality Hi Andreas: What is the conductance tester you are using? I only have experience with a PWT (which is designed to test pure water). It really shouldn't be off the chart. Any PWT or TDS meter should be able to read close to 1000 PPM. FYI: Rinsing with distilled water won't remove any actual residue in the glass container. To ensure total cleanliness: 1. Use a bit of 3% H2O2 in teh glass container, and wipe down thoroughly with a clean white paper towel. Leave a tiny amount of H2O2 in place for a few minutes before drying. 2. Rinse with distilled water 3. Dry with a clean white paper towel. 4. If you're a stickler for details, rinse once more with a tiny amount of distilled water (to remove any tiny fibers from the paper towel). I never use any type of soap product in any container I plan on brewing CS in. There are alot of contaminants that may not affect conductivity. However, distilled water is regulated, and while I don't agree with the current standards, contamination shouldn't be a great issue. ~Jason On 6/4/2013 10:58 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChecking distilled water quality
James, on the COM-100 can it be used to test for purity of distilled water as well as strength (ppm or other) of CS solution? Your answer greatly appreciated, GS From: James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality I use a COM-100 EC/TDS/TEMP tester by HM Digital and would recommend this tester. It works very well and has three different non-linear EC-to-TDS conversion factors (KCl, 442TM, NaCl) as well as temp. From: Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: Re: CSChecking distilled water quality Hi Andreas: What is the conductance tester you are using? I only have experience with a PWT (which is designed to test pure water). It really shouldn't be off the chart. Any PWT or TDS meter should be able to read close to 1000 PPM. FYI: Rinsing with distilled water won't remove any actual residue in the glass container. To ensure total cleanliness: 1. Use a bit of 3% H2O2 in teh glass container, and wipe down thoroughly with a clean white paper towel. Leave a tiny amount of H2O2 in place for a few minutes before drying. 2. Rinse with distilled water 3. Dry with a clean white paper towel. 4. If you're a stickler for details, rinse once more with a tiny amount of distilled water (to remove any tiny fibers from the paper towel). I never use any type of soap product in any container I plan on brewing CS in. There are alot of contaminants that may not affect conductivity. However, distilled water is regulated, and while I don't agree with the current standards, contamination shouldn't be a great issue. ~Jason On 6/4/2013 10:58 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the fast reply. Since the bottle of store bought stuff says not for drinking, are there any unhealthy contaminants that would still pass the conductivity test? The brewed CS is too conductive for my conductance tester, using an ohmmeter produces a resistance of around 40k ohms. I did wash out the glass in question thoroughly and then rinsed it with distilled water before brewing, so there's little chance of anything substantial having stayed behind on the glass. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Jason wrote: Hi Andreas: A PWT reading of 0.5 uS is great... perfect for making CS. You can also check the pH (although I'm usually dissapointed with store bought water pH) if you're worried about the quality. The distilled water that I make at home is 0.3 uS, pH ~7.0. I think that most of the commercial steam distillers must leave their production vessels open to air, as it usually tests acidic. However, CO2 doesn't seem to really affect the production process, unless high voltage is used (which pulls nitrogen from the air into the water, also making the end product acidic). Most home brew production setups result in some oxidized silver residue settling on the bottom of the container. Test the conductivity of your final brew to be certain that your container didn't have some residue, and then use a laser light to look for particulate silver (and see how many, if any, large particles of silver are in the brew). It's not a perfect science, but with practice you'll be able to tell a fantastic batch of CS in comparison to a mediocre (or bad) batch. Kind Regards, Jason On 6/4/2013 10:23 AM, Andreas Hahn wrote: Hi, I would like to use store-bought distilled water for making CS. Testing with a conductance meter reveals very low conductance (0.5 microsiemens). Is there any other thing to check? I made about 200ml CS in a glass with it and it produced a brownish particulate residue that settled to the bottom. I'm not experienced with making CS, so I don't know whether this is normal or indicative of bad water. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
