Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Evening Namaste, >>Reid, I didn't realize you were in UK until I read your last email. With your knowledge of the power system, you likely know about the phone systems in other countries. Is there any standardization of phone line voltages around the world? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
hmmm, seems the toaster diagram on the bottom of the link page may be made into a CS generator - still have to add the CGI. ed kasper -Original Message- From: Dean T. Miller [mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:11:31 -0600, Wayne Fugitt wrote: >also bypass these.!! Does the house wiring have an earthleakage unit. If the >>wiring of the CS unit is set up correctly then the EL unit could save a >>life as >>a final resort. > > Possibly the unit, "earthleakage unit" is what we call a GFI, GFCI, or >Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter in the USA. Yup. Good explanation is at: http://www.codecheck.com/gfci_principal.htm -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:11:31 -0600, Wayne Fugitt wrote: >also bypass these.!! Does the house wiring have an earthleakage unit. If the >>wiring of the CS unit is set up correctly then the EL unit could save a >>life as >>a final resort. > > Possibly the unit, "earthleakage unit" is what we call a GFI, GFCI, or >Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter in the USA. Yup. Good explanation is at: http://www.codecheck.com/gfci_principal.htm -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
The phone lines are current limited [controlled] to prevent homeowners
from blasting the switchboards out when they do their inept 'thing'. It's
called circuit protection.
Don't know exactly what the limit is but it's low enough that only a tiny
spark can be produced by shorting the wires, it's low enough that holding
onto both wires with dry fingers can't 'usually' be felt. {I hook em up,
strip live wires etc, all the time}
The ringer runs a 100v [pulsed?] surge through the same wires. Don't hang
onto them and get or make a phone call. [not deadly but it hurts]
A short duration surge won't affect the CS.
Ken
At 04:10 PM 12/30/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Evening Reid,
>
> >Terry Chamberlain's approach, especially with the close proximity and
>>curiosity of my two sons, five and nine. They do not need to be
>>electrocuted.
>
> Was your goal to use 110 VDC? If not... settle for 52 VDC and use
>the phone line power.
>
>I have never heard of anyone getting electrocuted by this voltage. Likely
>I came the closest but that was with the help
>of lightning.
>
>Depending on how much you want to make and what your goals are, I don't see
>how anyone can do much better
>that using the FREE voltage that sits everywhere waiting to be harnessed to
>this application.
>
>The time factor is much better than any 6, 12, 18, 24, or 27 volt
>device. Unless one is using a current limiter or some device with control
>ability, The 52 volt phone gen is ideal cheap, safe, and easy to use.
>
>Many systems may be better, but not cheaper or more convenient .. or
safer.
>
>Wayne
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Morning Tony, also bypass these.!! Does the house wiring have an earthleakage unit. If the wiring of the CS unit is set up correctly then the EL unit could save a life as a final resort. Possibly the unit, "earthleakage unit" is what we call a GFI, GFCI, or Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter in the USA. In most newer residences, these are required by the NFPA codes that apply. These are installed by the kitchen sink, for outside power outlets, and in workshops where hand tools will be used. Some workers even use portable units strapped to their belts. One of the most critical applications I have installed relative to this is underwater swimming pool lights. In this one instance, the old light fixtures were to be reused. I took all these into my shop, submerged them, allowed them to heat up and cool off for several cycles to see if anything strange was happening. There is a court case of record whereas some drunks climbed over a fence, enjoyed a short swim, and were electrocuted. ( at least one of them ). So with this in mind, even though I installed new wiring and new GFCI breakers, I made a simple variable test unit to test each wiring run and each breaker. I felt that if such a court case ever came up, I would be comfortable with the methods I used. Generally, I burn all bridges behind me when safety is an issue. These devices interrupt voltage very quickly when about 4 ma current flows from the hot side to ground. Supposedly in a short time interval before the heart can be effected. Every needs to be aware that these units offer no protection if the body allows current flow from the hot wire to the neutral. ... They offer protection only from the hot wire to earth ground. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Reid Harvey wrote: > > Mike, > Your cautions on the making of CS that is HVDC woke me up in the middle > of the night, and I started mentally designing the finishing touches for > Terry Chamberlain's approach, especially with the close proximity and > curiosity of my two sons, five and nine. They do not need to be > electrocuted. Reid, Prevention is preferred to resuscitation. Please assume that the warnings will not be understood just prior to the zap. Firmly and mechanically enclosing the electrodes, and any other voltage presenting parts is fairly foolproof. I envisioned an enclosure for the electrodes, made of clear plastic tube, hose, or a plastic bottle, with holes in it to allow current and/or water flow but not finger probing. Electrical interlock cutout switches could also be used, but fiddlefinger ingenuity could also bypass these.!! Does the house wiring have an earthleakage unit. If the wiring of the CS unit is set up correctly then the EL unit could save a life as a final resort. Regards, Tony -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Evening Reid, >Terry Chamberlain's approach, especially with the close proximity and curiosity of my two sons, five and nine. They do not need to be electrocuted. Was your goal to use 110 VDC? If not... settle for 52 VDC and use the phone line power. I have never heard of anyone getting electrocuted by this voltage. Likely I came the closest but that was with the help of lightning. Depending on how much you want to make and what your goals are, I don't see how anyone can do much better that using the FREE voltage that sits everywhere waiting to be harnessed to this application. The time factor is much better than any 6, 12, 18, 24, or 27 volt device. Unless one is using a current limiter or some device with control ability, The 52 volt phone gen is ideal cheap, safe, and easy to use. Many systems may be better, but not cheaper or more convenient .. or safer. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
One of the stations in a electronics lab that I once worked at was the HI-POT area for testing capacitors. Lethal voltages were involved. A large plexiglas box with a hinged lid and leads inside was the test area. The box lid had a safety switch that cut power to the leads inside, when the lid was opened. Foolproof, but not damnfoolproof. The manager showing me around, opened the lid, reached in, and grabbed the now charged capacitor. He became quite agitated! The container and interlock switch was what I was suggesting. Chuck Moriarty killed a clone--Holmes lives! On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 03:01:32 +0600, Reid Harvey wrote: >In my mid night inquiries I came up with three fail safe methods of >keeping the hands off. One is to operate the system rather high up, on >top of a six foot cabinet. Secondly I'm emblazoning all four sides of >the one gallon jar with the word, DANGER. Thirdly I'm putting a light >in the circuit, just on the business side of the outlet. The British >system plugs and outlets (for 220v) that we use have switches at the >wall, but we'll use an additional switch prior to the light. This light >is needed because one cannot really see a live wire in action. All of >these measures need doing prior to making the first batch of CS, and >without them I could well have been the first victim. >Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Simple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Greetings folks, We can NEVER afford to ignore the diverse experience levels we have on the list when giving advice. Note the following exchange: Terry writes: > ... Hang two silver wires down into the jar, on opposite sides of the > jar (mine are 9" long). Hook up 110-120 VDC to the silver wires. Let > brew for 60 minutes. Wipe off the wires, strain the CS (I use coffee > filters). Use one quart of this CS as starter for the next batch. Leo replies: > What do you mean by hooking up 110-120 VDC? Leo is asking the questions that he should be! 110 Volts Direct Current is *plenty* high enough to be lethal depending on the type of power supply used and the myriad conditions that people might be working under. DON'T MESS WITH HIGH VOLTAGE unless you have the knowledge and experience to do so safely. In the above instructions, it is vital that you TURN OFF THE POWER before wiping off the wires. Don't let the wires touch each other while power is on. Don't touch the wires or any part of the apparatus while power is on. Make certain the power supply is properly grounded and fused. Keep children and pets away. ... etcetera!!! Yes, the method is simple, and simple methods do work. However, if there's a chance that something can go wrong, it's wise to assume that it will and include appropriate cautions and disclaimers. Simple battery circuits with up to 30 or 40 volts and low current capacity are a whole lot safer to deal with if you're a newcomer to working with electricity. The good news is, they also work. Be careful out there, my friends. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
