Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
Sorry Richard but I disagree with this analogy. Evolution theory is based on getting better from NON intelligence. Intelligence is NOT in the equation. Linux and other free software is based on the collective intelligence of a whole lot of very smart people. If I was a programmer I would be a bit insulted if someone said my work, hard thought and know-how was in fact based on random input. I'd object and say that I don't just type in random characters into the keyboard along with a zillion other programmers and there happens to be the odd one that makes a good program. AND then some other RANDOM process figures out which is the best working program and includes that in the Linux kernel without any testing or whatever. NO. Linux changes and gets better and better over time as bit like modern car design or jet aircraft from biplane over time. It's refinement over time but it's NEVER random. How can something get better without intelligence behind it? Linux is MADE to be virus resistant by design. And design means a designer. And a designer means intelligence. Linux people are intelligent people. THAT'S why we don't get viruses. We use our intelligence. Ben. Richard Neal wrote: The nearest single analogy I can come across that explains Linux security is Linux is based on an "evolutionary" development platform were the fittest and most diverse survive. Were windows has a forced evolutionary development based on what sells software. As anyone who has studied evolutionary science can attest the more diverse and random your genetic makeup, the higher the probability of survival in the natural ever on going virus arms race. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]
> > Controversially, it's based on Mono. Hmm. :-) > > I was reading an article the other day (from somewhere on the OnLamp site) > that implied pretty strongly that Mono / C# would be the preferred > development platform for Gnome 3.0. Is that correct? Though Edd (Dumbill, the author) is certainly a GNOME developer, he nor anyone else in The GNOME Project knows what "3.0" will be at all. There are no plans whatsoever at this stage - the only thing we have general agreement on is that 3.0 will mark the API/ABI compatibility break point, which will probably just mean that we fully remove everything we deprecated during the 2.x releases. :-) Beyond the current crop off applications built on Mono, I don't know what its future will hold in GNOME. At some stage, we will definitely want to start using managed code (Python, Java, Mono, whatever) in GNOME "official" software releases... Well, if nothing else is certain, I know for sure that there be a lot of debate. :-) - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ "They are, as I told Telsa, all very small cheques. Indeed our cheques only come in one size, otherwise cheque books would be far too hard to manufacture." - Alan Cox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] New Money-Management Software Option
Jeff Waugh wrote: Controversially, it's based on Mono. Hmm. :-) I was reading an article the other day (from somewhere on the OnLamp site) that implied pretty strongly that Mono / C# would be the preferred development platform for Gnome 3.0. Is that correct? Mikal -- Michael Still ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | "All my life I've had one dream, http://www.stillhq.com| to achieve my many goals" UTC + 11 |-- Homer Simpson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Thanks for the BugSquash
Just wanted to say a big thanks to Craige (the Mighty Tongmaster) for organising the BSP/CodeFest, Dave for sorting out the room, Benno for a fun couple of talks, Rob for a very motivating arch talk, and Jeff, Pia, and Craige for letting the maurauding hordes invade their place and fill it with beer and meat. A truly entertaining SLUG/DebSIG event. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
At Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:55:26 +1100, Terry Collins wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Do you have nfs-common installed? > > Yes. That version has > nfs-common > nfs-kernel-server > nfs-user-server running. > > All three were restarted with no difference and the machine was rebooted > with no difference, aka same error. This is on the non-working *client* right? -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
To be honest for a while I was looking for a similar answer until I stumbled across some well written articles on this exact question. The answer is in two parts. 1. Unix/Linux community doesn't promote bad social computer engineering so as to sell more software, ie a user would just click on anything like in windows and infect their whole machine and have the default user running in such an open environment, that he/she can trash the whole system install and/or lay waste to the INTERNET with spam. 2. Windows promotes heavily a "mono-culture" when it comes to software, so a virus writer often just needs to create a virus for one application they are pretty much guaranteed to infect 90% of Windows users ( can anyone say "outlook"). Where with Unix/Linux they promote lots of different variations of applications with varying degree's of features for the same job.. Just ask what MTA you use when a group of Linux users get together and chances are you will get a plethora of answers, some using a plethora of MTA's too, you know who you are. :-) The nearest single analogy I can come across that explains Linux security is Linux is based on an "evolutionary" development platform were the fittest and most diverse survive. Were windows has a forced evolutionary development based on what sells software. As anyone who has studied evolutionary science can attest the more diverse and random your genetic makeup, the higher the probability of survival in the natural ever on going virus arms race. Hope this helps GPLG GPLGPLGP GPLGPLGPLGP GPLGP GPL MICROSOFT GPLGP GPLGPLGPLGP GPLGPLGPL GPLGPL Richard Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 17:24, Bill Bennett wrote: > It's a peculiar request, so please bear with me. > > I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses > that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be > honest, I didn't have a ready reply. The best I could do was > "Well, Linux is differently organised." Feeble, I know, but the > enquirer was not a nurd and, if it comes to that, neither am I. > > So I thought about the matter. I wanted a good analogy. > > This was the best that came to mind: > > "Assume someone has put something in your petrol that rots > piston heads and only piston heads. Eventually the engine > will fail. > > *However* it's not going to affect me if my engine is a Wenkel." > > As I say, the best I could do. > > Can anyone do better? The issue *must* have surfaced in the past > and valid analogies must have been drawn for the non-technical. > My reason for wanting this is that, occasionally I'm asked why I > will not even look at, or consider going back to MS. Blinding > people with technicalia generally gets you nowhere. > > Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10?
OK Mandrake "Community" and Mandrake "Official" are different. The old release cycle was cooker -> beta releases -> GPL mandrake release -> 2-4 weeks later Official. now we have after allot of prodding by people who want to get a version that been broken in, and debugged, before they install it on the company desktop, a new release cycle cooker -> beta releases -> community -> Official (2/3 months later). Also note GPL Free "Official" will be also be released to the public but only after Official has been released to paying Mandrake Club members. Mandrake Power Pack etc boxed versions will be based on Mandrake "Official" not "community" And yes from what I can glean from the info $$$ version won't be the same as the FREE GPL version on the FTP server but as anyone knows you can hunt these packages down anyway. Personally I just go buy a boxed version saves me having to look all over the place for the missing commercial packages ie Nvidia ATi Java etc etc. Disclaimer: I don't work for Mandrake-soft, nor do I gain in any way by the above information from Mandrake-Soft other than the warm fuzzy feeling. All the above information is a personal view and has in no way any association to Mandrake-Soft's company policies. So Mandrake Official wont be released till April/May. More info here http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/pr-releaseprocess.php3 On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Michael, > > No their no the ones. We are after the official release iso's. > > > > > > Anyone have a copy of Mandrake 10? I'm in the east (Surry Hills / > > Redfern) and I'd be happy to drop by and pick it up. > > MandrakeLinux-10.0-rc1-CD1.i586.iso > MandrakeLinux-10.0-rc1-CD2.i586.iso > MandrakeLinux-10.0-rc1-CD3.i586.iso > > Is that it? > > I am guessing it's a pre-release but not the offical release, however I've > never used mandrake, and no fimilar with it naming of iso releases. > > -- GPLG GPLGPLGP GPLGPLGPLGP GPLGP GPL MICROSOFT GPLGP GPLGPLGPLGP GPLGPLGPL GPLGPL Richard Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake10
Mandrake 10 - Community is 3 cd's. The edition that was released to
Mandrake Club members was 4 cd's, as it included some extra stuff
(acrobat reader, real player, etc.) that can't be freely redistributed
on the download ("community") edition.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Appologies if this has been address, my webmail won't show me my slug folder :(
I have just found that Mandrake 10 is 4 CDs. So far I have only seen 3CDs on
most Mandrake mirrors. If anyone is downloading Mandrake and has seen the 4th
iso please let me know.
Thanks
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Re: [SLUG] Pine: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding
you can get patches for 4.58 for this at http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ I've rebuilt pine with this and UTF8 support.. Dave. On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Simon Bowden wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, David wrote: > > > I've been exchanging email with a guy and have twice got the following > > message half way through a sentence in his email: > > > > > > .. This way I know exactly where the > >[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding] > > > > after which pine doesn't display the rest of his email. > > > > I can read the rest of his email from mbox with less or vi. I can't find > > any sign of a dodgey character. > > > > I've never seen this problem before... anyone got any suggestions? This > > guy seems to be sending email from a web mailer thus: > > > > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > > any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! > > https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl > > Hi David, > > [wonder how this rates for longest delay before initial reply] > > You've actually pasted the dodgy character here :-) > > I recently became similarly annoyed with this message and took a closer > look. It arises from sourceforge adding taglines like the one you've > pasted above without taking notice of the message encoding. If a message > is encoded in quoted-printable, then 8-bit characters are encoded in a > little hex string, prefixed by '=', meaning that '=' is also encoded. SF > adds adverts that have non-encoded '='s, thus breaking it. sf.net > has a master bug report here: > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=652897&group_id=1&atid=21 > > Anyway, I figured I'd reply since I couldn't find any decent references or > fixes for this problem with a google search. There are two workarounds > that I've got: > > 1) Turn on enable-full-header-and-text in the pine config. Then you can >see the raw message when viewing with full headers (H key): > [X] enable-full-header-cmd > [X] enable-full-header-and-text >I believe this feature was added in v4.50. > > 2) I wrote a procmail rule that fixes broken messages so that you get >the actual message properly encoded. There may be strange bits where it >flukes being valid (e.g. =12345 in a URL), but in sf.net cases, you're >at least seeing the actual message properly encoded, as opposed to >option (1): > > - > > # fix broken quoted-printable > # (particularly sf.net inserting a tagline advertisement with > # unencoded ='s, which makes pine particularly unhappy) > # =3D is the "=" encoding > # Note that a correct encoding is an =HH (H = hexadecimal digit) > # So a bad encoding is an = followed by zero characters (end of line) > # or 1 character, or 2 chars where one isn't hex > > :0 fb > * Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > | sed 's/=\([^0-9a-fA-F]\|.\([^0-9a-fA-F]\|$\)\|$\)/=3D\1/g' > > - > > Hope that helps :-) > > Cheers, > > - Simon > -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Mandrake10
Yeah I didn't see the 4th cd on the mirror I was on, so downloaded the 3 only. I am guessing the 4th cd is useless, otherwise they would of mirrored it. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 12:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake10 > > > Appologies if this has been address, my webmail won't show me > my slug folder :( > > I have just found that Mandrake 10 is 4 CDs. So far I have > only seen 3CDs on most Mandrake mirrors. If anyone is > downloading Mandrake and has seen the 4th iso please let me know. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html __ NOD32 1.661 (20040311) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
> 4: Windows viruses are mostly Outlook viruses > > True. I always tell any Windows user to start by throwing away Outlook. > That solves most of the problems. Eudora seems to work ok, although of > course you can still get viruses if you do "the wrong thing". > My general rule could be quarranteen windows executable files on the mail server. If a client says they are waiting for the file you shoot it across to them after a probation. > > 7: Are you SURE you don't get viruses? > > When you've been chronically sick for 10 years, it's hard to remember what > it was like to be healthy. I just tell them "no, I never get viruses". > I have said that a number of times and ppl look at you in disbelief. Usually their question is "So what is anti-virus do you use?" I tell them Linux ;-) - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Pine: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, David wrote: > I've been exchanging email with a guy and have twice got the following > message half way through a sentence in his email: > > > .. This way I know exactly where the >[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding] > > after which pine doesn't display the rest of his email. > > I can read the rest of his email from mbox with less or vi. I can't find > any sign of a dodgey character. > > I've never seen this problem before... anyone got any suggestions? This > guy seems to be sending email from a web mailer thus: > > This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC > GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from > any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! > https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl Hi David, [wonder how this rates for longest delay before initial reply] You've actually pasted the dodgy character here :-) I recently became similarly annoyed with this message and took a closer look. It arises from sourceforge adding taglines like the one you've pasted above without taking notice of the message encoding. If a message is encoded in quoted-printable, then 8-bit characters are encoded in a little hex string, prefixed by '=', meaning that '=' is also encoded. SF adds adverts that have non-encoded '='s, thus breaking it. sf.net has a master bug report here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=652897&group_id=1&atid=21 Anyway, I figured I'd reply since I couldn't find any decent references or fixes for this problem with a google search. There are two workarounds that I've got: 1) Turn on enable-full-header-and-text in the pine config. Then you can see the raw message when viewing with full headers (H key): [X] enable-full-header-cmd [X] enable-full-header-and-text I believe this feature was added in v4.50. 2) I wrote a procmail rule that fixes broken messages so that you get the actual message properly encoded. There may be strange bits where it flukes being valid (e.g. =12345 in a URL), but in sf.net cases, you're at least seeing the actual message properly encoded, as opposed to option (1): - # fix broken quoted-printable # (particularly sf.net inserting a tagline advertisement with # unencoded ='s, which makes pine particularly unhappy) # =3D is the "=" encoding # Note that a correct encoding is an =HH (H = hexadecimal digit) # So a bad encoding is an = followed by zero characters (end of line) # or 1 character, or 2 chars where one isn't hex :0 fb * Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | sed 's/=\([^0-9a-fA-F]\|.\([^0-9a-fA-F]\|$\)\|$\)/=3D\1/g' - Hope that helps :-) Cheers, - Simon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Solved Re: [SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
Terry Collins wrote:
>
> 1) mount -t nfs -va
>
> returns
> mount RPC:program not registered
Sigh! . I solved this last October and just forgot. It was in the
archives.
NFS RESTART DOES NOT WORK.
You must stop all nfs stuff on host, then start them again.
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[SLUG] Mandrake10
Appologies if this has been address, my webmail won't show me my slug folder :( I have just found that Mandrake 10 is 4 CDs. So far I have only seen 3CDs on most Mandrake mirrors. If anyone is downloading Mandrake and has seen the 4th iso please let me know. Thanks Kevin - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
Patrick Lesslie wrote:
...snip.
> You could also check that portmap is running.
Yes, it is running.
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Re: [SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 07:55:26PM +1100, Terry Collins wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > Do you have nfs-common installed? > > Yes. That version has > nfs-common > nfs-kernel-server > nfs-user-server running. > > All three were restarted with no difference and the machine was rebooted > with no difference, aka same error. > > and ps axf |grep rpc returns > > rpc.statd > rpc.nfsd > rpc.mounted You could also check that portmap is running. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NFS mount on Debian Woody not working
Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Do you have nfs-common installed?
Yes. That version has
nfs-common
nfs-kernel-server
nfs-user-server running.
All three were restarted with no difference and the machine was rebooted
with no difference, aka same error.
and ps axf |grep rpc returns
rpc.statd
rpc.nfsd
rpc.mounted
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