Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Dave Cole]

At 10:32 AM -0500 3/21/03, Terry Griner wrote:
With a Propeller ?
no, no ... the propeller hat is a *beenie* not a beret ...

sheesh.

\dmc

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Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Terry Griner]

>ps: before i got into trains, i was a movie buff. for that i wore a
beret.
With a Propeller ?
:-)
Terry
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   Pacifica, Calif. USA 

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Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Dave Cole]

At 2:47 AM -0600 3/21/03, Trent Dowler wrote:
The locomotive from Petticoat Junction is a surviving steam locomotive. It's
now at the California State Railroad Museum. (last I heard, anyway)
Thought it might be of interest. Maybe not.
Later,
Trent
Harry Wade wrote:

  Petticoat Junction set the
 public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?)

actually, it's at railtown 1897 state historical park in jamestown, 
calif. jamestown is a branch of the calif state railroad museum, 
because for years the state parks department ran it and had no idea 
how to interpret it.

the sierra railroad, which is part short line and part museum line, 
is called "the movie railroad." in addition to petticoat junction, 
"back to the future 3" and "little house on the prairie" were filmed 
there (apparently in a good year they get a half-dozen film crews 
onsite). clint eastwood likes to film his westerns there -- he's made 
both "pale rider" and "unforgiven" at jamestown (it's a four-hour 
drive from his carmel home -- 45 minutes by helicopter).

the diamond stack and all the other geegaws -- including cow catchers 
-- that the movie companies demand to dress up locomotives sit in an 
open-sided warehouse just east of the roundhouse. apparently set 
designers can wander through the warehouse and say, "i'll take one of 
those and one of those" and the set painters dress them up and the 
shop guys attach them. after filming they go back to the warehouse.

and the watertower where the girls bathed? dryrot got it last year 
and they've built a new one. historically accurate but looks nothing 
like the tv show. i think that was the museum giving the finger to 
hollywood.

\dmc

ps: before i got into trains, i was a movie buff. for that i wore a beret.

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  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
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Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Trent Dowler]

The locomotive from Petticoat Junction is a surviving steam locomotive. It's
now at the California State Railroad Museum. (last I heard, anyway)
Thought it might be of interest. Maybe not.

Later,
Trent


Harry Wade wrote:

>  Petticoat Junction set the
> public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?)
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Sam Evans]

OK what about a stuffed bear head?
:-)

Sam

JR May wrote:
> 
> Hold the phone there!  I kind of like antlers!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:58 PM
> Subject: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
> 
> > At 07:23 PM 3/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>And I hate "cow catchers"
> >
> >   I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle
> > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
>
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Sam Evans]

JR May wrote:
> 
> What you find is that nearly everything can be prototypical.  I remember
> back years ago when I used to get Model RR magazine that they had a feature
> each month of things that in theory were "not prototypical" but they would
> show a picture of a real RR using that item.  The one that sticks with me is
> the straight bridge with curved track on it.  

I think that this would be over a relatively short distance on a single
span to save the cost? of having a vertical (bent?) to support the
overhang, or where one such could not be built.  The one that springs to
mind is on the 2' Volos to Milae(sp?) line in Greece, part of which has
reopened. 

Sam E
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Sam Evans]

> 
> Any thing is prototypical!  Enjoy!
> 
> J.R.

Possibly so, tho I remain to be convinced of the absolute truth of this
statement.  It is, however, frequently untypical.

Sam E
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

H, a radio controlled GG-1?  

You could have ridden in the bar car and run it from there!

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR


> 
> >
> > Engines under go change.  Our shay looks like much different that it
> did the
> > day it rolled out of Lima.  The wood cab was replaced and it got a
> diamond
> > stack, both required by law in the forests that it ran in.
> J.R.
> The Shay got it's new cab because the old wooden one burned! The Ely
> Thomas No. 5, which worked along side the No. 6 at Jetsville, W. Va,
> always had a wooden cab, and does today as well. But yes, the spark
> arresting stack was a West Virgina Law, and that's why Cass has the
> identical stack on it's coal burning locomotives today.
> 
> > BTW, we do have a radio controlled 55 ton GE as used by US Steel.  So
> yes,
> > radio control of your live steamers is prototypical also.  No kidding.
> The
> > locomotive is marked with "front" and "rear" markings so the operator
> knew
> > which way he should go when on the ground operating it while in a fire
> suit
> > in the mill.
> The "Front" and "Rear" markings are not just for radio Control use, but
> are an ICC and later FRA mandated marking as some locomotives, like GE
> 44 tonners, have identical looking fronts and rears, and some RR's like
> the N&W ran their diesel  locomotives long hood leading. All FRA
> inspectable locomotives have the "front" marked so that a brakeman will
> know which direction is which for giving hand signals. Most are merely
> marked with a "F" on one end beam, but that is the officially designated
> "front" of the locomotive. Without it, how would you tell which end of a
> GG-1 is the front?
> Keith
> 
>  
> 
> 
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Keith Taylor]

>
> Engines under go change.  Our shay looks like much different that it
did the
> day it rolled out of Lima.  The wood cab was replaced and it got a
diamond
> stack, both required by law in the forests that it ran in.
J.R.
The Shay got it's new cab because the old wooden one burned! The Ely
Thomas No. 5, which worked along side the No. 6 at Jetsville, W. Va,
always had a wooden cab, and does today as well. But yes, the spark
arresting stack was a West Virgina Law, and that's why Cass has the
identical stack on it's coal burning locomotives today.

> BTW, we do have a radio controlled 55 ton GE as used by US Steel.  So
yes,
> radio control of your live steamers is prototypical also.  No kidding.
The
> locomotive is marked with "front" and "rear" markings so the operator
knew
> which way he should go when on the ground operating it while in a fire
suit
> in the mill.
The "Front" and "Rear" markings are not just for radio Control use, but
are an ICC and later FRA mandated marking as some locomotives, like GE
44 tonners, have identical looking fronts and rears, and some RR's like
the N&W ran their diesel  locomotives long hood leading. All FRA
inspectable locomotives have the "front" marked so that a brakeman will
know which direction is which for giving hand signals. Most are merely
marked with a "F" on one end beam, but that is the officially designated
"front" of the locomotive. Without it, how would you tell which end of a
GG-1 is the front?
Keith

 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Keith Taylor]

> >>And I hate "cow catchers"
>
>   I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the
axle
> ends and moose antlers on the smokebox.
And in fact, I doubt that one ever "caught" a COW! Now if they wanted to
call them Cow deflectors, or a "Cow Plow!" that might be a bit more
accurate!

Keith Taylor

 

Re: Pine Creek RR/C-25

[JR May]

I have looked at this data (the online C-25 drawings which are fantastic)
in the past as well as the various models on the market and the counter
balances on our  Quincy 6 just look larger.  Much larger.  As the wheels
rotate the rods nearly touch the ground, say at a crossing.  The counter
weights as they come around almost do the same thing.  I have read some
place that this style locomotive was not used in snow and icy weather as it
would derail itself as the weights came around.  I believe it.  I know
similar engines are in Colorado, but I wonder what kind of ground clearance
they have?

Granted we will put new tires on the engine, but that will only give us
maybe an inch increase in rod height.  On our web site one of the pictures
shows us doing tires for our Porter. (www.njmt.org)


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Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR/C-25


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vance Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR
>
>
> > > but what is the outside frame job?
> >
> > Art, that's the Quincy & Torch Lake No. 6, one of the sisters to the
> > Crystal River 103/D&RGW 375 (the C-25 class).
> >
> > regards,
> >   -vance-
>
> Too, too modest to mention your own work in cyberdocumenting the C-25 for
> 1/20 scalers!
>
> Art
>
>
>
>
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

What you find is that nearly everything can be prototypical.  I remember
back years ago when I used to get Model RR magazine that they had a feature
each month of things that in theory were "not prototypical" but they would
show a picture of a real RR using that item.  The one that sticks with me is
the straight bridge with curved track on it.  I think it was in Chicago some
place.

Engines under go change.  Our shay looks like much different that it did the
day it rolled out of Lima.  The wood cab was replaced and it got a diamond
stack, both required by law in the forests that it ran in.  Our Irish engine
was painted all sorts of colors, driven in part by politics of the
North/South border region.  She has also had three boilers, the last one
installed in the late 1920s.Our #26 is on its second boiler also,
replaced in 1925.  The rear headlight on the 26 is mounted on top of the cab
roof today, but it belongs under the roof according to pictures from
Virginia. I broke the lens with a shovel handle and we moved it back up on
top of the roof.

BTW, we do have a radio controlled 55 ton GE as used by US Steel.  So yes,
radio control of your live steamers is prototypical also.  No kidding.  The
locomotive is marked with "front" and "rear" markings so the operator knew
which way he should go when on the ground operating it while in a fire suit
in the mill.

Any thing is prototypical!  Enjoy!

J.R.
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From: steve boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR


> Harry wrote:
>
> > >>And I hate "cow catchers"
> >
> >   I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle
> > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox.
>
> But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!!
>
> What more excuse do you need?
>
> :-)
>
> - - Steve
>
>
>
>

 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[steve boylan]

Harry,

You wrote:

> >But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!!
> >Steve
>
>  But that didn't make it attractive.  Petticoat Junction set the
> public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?)   Now on the
> other hand, paint a locomotive lilac purple, line and stripe and polish it
> from head to foot, hang the name of a town in brass and garlands of poseys
> as well as a gilt-edged portrait of 'er Majesty on it, now THERE'S
> aesthetics for you!  :-)

Didn't someone once say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?"  But the
Brits weren't alone in extensive - one might say garish - ornament.  The
decorative aspects of mid-19th century American locomotives yield numerous
examples as well!

- - Steve
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Terry Griner]

And add Acid Green pin Striping!
Oh my imagination's eyes hurt! :-)

Terry Griner
Columbus Ohio 

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/20/03 09:43AM >>>
At 08:33 AM 3/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
>But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!!
>Steve

 But that didn't make it attractive.  Petticoat Junction set
the
public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?)   Now on
the
other hand, paint a locomotive lilac purple, line and stripe and polish
it
from head to foot, hang the name of a town in brass and garlands of
poseys
as well as a gilt-edged portrait of 'er Majesty on it, now THERE'S
aesthetics for you!  :-)

Regards,
Harry
  

Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Harry Wade]

At 08:33 AM 3/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
>But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!!
>Steve

 But that didn't make it attractive.  Petticoat Junction set the
public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?)   Now on the
other hand, paint a locomotive lilac purple, line and stripe and polish it
from head to foot, hang the name of a town in brass and garlands of poseys
as well as a gilt-edged portrait of 'er Majesty on it, now THERE'S
aesthetics for you!  :-)

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

Hmmm, can you picture a shay without foot boards? Yuk!  I have a picture of
the Q&TL #6 with a pilot and it really looks odd, in part because the engine
is so "fat" compared to the rails.  The pilot takes on a "Hitler mustache"
kind of look.  At some point the 6 lost it, but not sure when or why.

Any one have some full sized moose antlers for sale?


> >  And I hate "cow catchers" with a vengeance.
> > Although the 6 had one at one time, it lost it at some point for a
> hand some
> > foot board.
>
> A "Cow Catcher" is not the thing.but a correct Pilot would not be
> out of line at all! Not a cheapo deal made from angle iron, like the
> 50's Daisy Picker lines used. But a correct from Baldwin drawings in Oak
> would be very attractive. Not to mention that if the FRA were to ever
> get jurisdiction, your foot boards would be goe in a blink! (OSHA
> probably would faint if they saw foot boards! They have been gone from
> Main line RR's for 30 years now)

 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

Hold the phone there!  I kind of like antlers!  

- Original Message - 
From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR


> At 07:23 PM 3/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >>And I hate "cow catchers"
> 
>   I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle
> ends and moose antlers on the smokebox.
> 
> Regards,
> Harry
>  
> 
> 
 

Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[steve boylan]

Harry wrote:

> >>And I hate "cow catchers"
>
>   I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle
> ends and moose antlers on the smokebox.

But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!!

What more excuse do you need?

:-)

- - Steve

 

Odious practices was Pine Creek RR

[Harry Wade]

At 07:23 PM 3/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
>>And I hate "cow catchers"

  I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle
ends and moose antlers on the smokebox.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[Keith Taylor]

Regarding Q&TL No. 6

> We will most likely not use a
> wooden tender frame as that was a special order at the time and the
timbers
> would be terrible to get today.

J.R. Talk to the boys up here in Maine at the WW&F they have managed to
get replacement wooden timbers to replace the rotted ones from the WW&F
Boxcar (at approximetly 30 ft in length!) And the reproduction Caboose
built from Portland Co, blueprints has an all wooden framed running gear
too!

>  And I hate "cow catchers" with a vengeance.
> Although the 6 had one at one time, it lost it at some point for a
hand some
> foot board.

A "Cow Catcher" is not the thing.but a correct Pilot would not be
out of line at all! Not a cheapo deal made from angle iron, like the
50's Daisy Picker lines used. But a correct from Baldwin drawings in Oak
would be very attractive. Not to mention that if the FRA were to ever
get jurisdiction, your foot boards would be goe in a blink! (OSHA
probably would faint if they saw foot boards! They have been gone from
Main line RR's for 30 years now)

Keith

 

Re: Pine Creek RR/C-25

[mart.towers]

- Original Message -
From: "Vance Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR


> > but what is the outside frame job?
>
> Art, that's the Quincy & Torch Lake No. 6, one of the sisters to the
> Crystal River 103/D&RGW 375 (the C-25 class).
>
> regards,
>   -vance-

Too, too modest to mention your own work in cyberdocumenting the C-25 for
1/20 scalers!

Art

 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

Sam:
You might find it interesting that the tender for #6 is welded with no
rivets!  The boys in the Quincy shops must have gas welded up a new tank at
some point.  They did a hell of a job gas welding the cracks in the firebox
too!  Thus, the Big 6 will get a new firebox.  We will most likely not use a
wooden tender frame as that was a special order at the time and the timbers
would be terrible to get today.  The wood cab will be retained.

Not sure about the model A headlights.  Might go back to oil burning lights.
Quincy never used electric generators on their engines. Oil when new, then
later batteries in the cab to power auto head lights.  REALLY looks dumb.

One Quincy engine was scrapped during WWII, maybe the #2 or the #4, but I
don't remember off hand.  The #3 is at Huckleberry, #6 at NJMT, the rest up
on Quincy Hill by the hoist house.

Seeing a 500 ton hoist is worth the drive if ever in Michigan.   The small
cylinders on the Quincy hoist are roughly 32 x 66 inches, the low pressure
cylinders are 60 x 66 inches.  Very impressive.

We will do a proper job, you can count on that. No brass bands, nor funky
stars on the cylinder covers.  And I hate "cow catchers" with a vengeance.
Although the 6 had one at one time, it lost it at some point for a hand some
foot board.

A generator will be required for the train lights, but that would be mounted
on the rear of the tender tank.

Thanks for you interest.  Stay in contact.

J.R.
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From: Sam Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR


> Please please please do a proper job on loco restoration, and the
> tender  replica. with no unneccessary embellishments, and with rivets
> (if only cosmetic) where they should be. Welded construction looks
> awful.  After criticism a preservation soc is redoing replicationof
> water tankks WITH cosmetic rivets as the plain welded tanks were too
> obviosly modern replacements.  I believe the Q&TL locos extant at
> closure still all survive.  No 6 being a favourite of mine.
>
> Sam E
>
> JR May wrote:
> >
> > For those of you with an interest in 3' prototype equipment, the web
site
> > for the new Jersey Museum of Transportation/Pine Creek RR has been
updated
> > with a bunch of pictures, to include at least one picture for just about
> > every locomotive we own.However, the person who put up the pictures
did
> > not include captions, so if you have any questions, please let me know.
> >
> > You'll see pictures of our Ely-Thomas shay, the Irish Lady Edith (1887),
> > Quincy and Torch Lake #6, our Porter mogul (1914) , Buda motor car, and
a
> > bunch of diesels.
> >
> > Try www.njmt.org and let me know if you have any questions.
> >
> > As far as polls go, Pine Creek engineers have gotten in to noisy
arguments
> > over which of our steamers is the best, the best manufacturer, and the
best
> > to run.
> >
> > J.R. May
> >
> >
>
>
>
 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[Sam Evans]

Please please please do a proper job on loco restoration, and the
tender  replica. with no unneccessary embellishments, and with rivets
(if only cosmetic) where they should be. Welded construction looks
awful.  After criticism a preservation soc is redoing replicationof
water tankks WITH cosmetic rivets as the plain welded tanks were too
obviosly modern replacements.  I believe the Q&TL locos extant at
closure still all survive.  No 6 being a favourite of mine.

Sam E

JR May wrote:
> 
> For those of you with an interest in 3' prototype equipment, the web site
> for the new Jersey Museum of Transportation/Pine Creek RR has been updated
> with a bunch of pictures, to include at least one picture for just about
> every locomotive we own.However, the person who put up the pictures did
> not include captions, so if you have any questions, please let me know.
> 
> You'll see pictures of our Ely-Thomas shay, the Irish Lady Edith (1887),
> Quincy and Torch Lake #6, our Porter mogul (1914) , Buda motor car, and a
> bunch of diesels.
> 
> Try www.njmt.org and let me know if you have any questions.
> 
> As far as polls go, Pine Creek engineers have gotten in to noisy arguments
> over which of our steamers is the best, the best manufacturer, and the best
> to run.
> 
> J.R. May
> 
>
 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

As others have pointed out, that is the Quincy Mining Company #6, a 70 ton,
1912 outside frame 2-8-0 built by Baldwin and similar to the Bachman model.
I believe the Bachman model is actually a 30" gauge locomotive and not
nearly as beefy as the "Big 6" as we call it here.  The Big 6 will be the
next engine to go in for a full rebuild by our shop crew to include a boiler
overhaul to comply with the new NBIC Appendix C requirements.  It will also
get new tires and a whole new tender.  It is a beast which will no doubt
scare many little kids as it rumbles through our station area.  And like the
big gauge 1 live steamers, clearances are tight through our station area and
shop doors due to the width of the cylinders and cab.

Look for it to run in the 2007 time frame.  Feel free to come out and help
too!

Again, if in Jersey, look me up and I'll give you a tour.


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Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "JR May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:49 PM
> Subject: Pine Creek RR
>
>
> > every locomotive we own.However, the person who put up the pictures
> did
> > not include captions, so if you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Great site - but what is the outside frame job? 2-6-0 or 2-8-0, locos pic
> 14. Cuban refugee?
>
> Art Walker
>
>
>
>
 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[Vance Bass]

> but what is the outside frame job? 

Art, that's the Quincy & Torch Lake No. 6, one of the sisters to the 
Crystal River 103/D&RGW 375 (the C-25 class).

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
 

Re: Pine Creek RR

[mart.towers]

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From: "JR May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:49 PM
Subject: Pine Creek RR


> every locomotive we own.However, the person who put up the pictures
did
> not include captions, so if you have any questions, please let me know.

Great site - but what is the outside frame job? 2-6-0 or 2-8-0, locos pic
14. Cuban refugee?

Art Walker

 

Pine Creek RR

[JR May]

For those of you with an interest in 3' prototype equipment, the web site
for the new Jersey Museum of Transportation/Pine Creek RR has been updated
with a bunch of pictures, to include at least one picture for just about
every locomotive we own.However, the person who put up the pictures did
not include captions, so if you have any questions, please let me know.

You'll see pictures of our Ely-Thomas shay, the Irish Lady Edith (1887),
Quincy and Torch Lake #6, our Porter mogul (1914) , Buda motor car, and a
bunch of diesels.

Try www.njmt.org and let me know if you have any questions.

As far as polls go, Pine Creek engineers have gotten in to noisy arguments
over which of our steamers is the best, the best manufacturer, and the best
to run.

J.R. May