Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread Gé Weijers



On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Fred Boiteux wrote:


We'd like to separate IPs of bacbone antennas from client ones, for
example 192.168.1.0/24 for antennas and  192.168.2.0/24 for
people. How this could be done ? [...]


I hope you realize that your customers can manually switch subnets on 
their end and talk directly to the management ports on your wireless 
accesspoints in the multiple subnet scenario.


The nice thing about using VLANs is that the traffic has to go through the 
router to get to the management network, which firewall rules can prevent. 
If you use two subnets on one interface you do not get to filter the 
traffic if someone wants to mess with your AP.


Ge'

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Re: [pfSense Support] Installed 1.2.3 on Soekris 5501-70 - 8G CF card - expand the slice and filesystem?

2010-11-19 Thread Gé Weijers



I installed the image to the CF card using dd in Linux with 16k block size.  It 
fired right up and I was able to configure it over
the serial port.  I would like to resize the slice and growfs if possible.  I 
would have installed the 8g image if there was one... 
I have done this in Linux many times.  Is this possible with the embedded 
version of pfsense?  I haven't done much configuration on
the box so I could image the CF card again if needed.


You probably can resize the partitions using 'gparted' on a Linux machine, 
but then you have to mess with the BSD disk labels on the first two 
partitions, and then use 'growfs'. I don't think it's worth it, it'll be a 
steep learning curve if you have little experience with BSD. The first two 
partitions are never written to, except during a firmware update, so why 
grow them?


If you make a backup of your configuration through the GUI (one XML 
file) you have zero risk of losing anything, just reflash and restore if 
something breaks.


BTW: try 'fdisk /dev/ad0'. /dev/ufs/pfsense0 refers to the first 
partition, so it won't have an MBR. /dev/ad0 is the first physical device 
on my Alix board (same processor, same chipset).


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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread Chris Buechler
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Fred Boiteux  wrote:
>
> I saw the
> http://doc.pfsense.org/multiple-subnets-one-interface-pfsense.pdf
> but I was doubtful about how well it's supported in PfSense :-/
>

Works fine. Generally bad network design to have multiple IP subnets
on the same broadcast domain, but works.

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread Fred Boiteux
Hi,

Le Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:16:24 -0700,
David Burgess  a écrit :

> In that case you can add an alias to the LAN interface. IIRC, you just
> run ifconfig appending 'alias' to the end. Don't quote me on it
> though.
> 
> Get that working, then use shellcmd to make it stick across reboots.
> You will also want to check the box in the UI to supress arp errors in
> the logs.

I saw the
http://doc.pfsense.org/multiple-subnets-one-interface-pfsense.pdf
but I was doubtful about how well it's supported in PfSense :-/


> vlans are still the preferred method if your radios support it. What
> brand are you using?
We have a mix of old and newer hardware, from Cisco, Linksys (WRT54GL),
and trying also Ubiquity. I'm not sure all these wifi routers can
manage VLAN, but I'll look at this.

I was thinking about the other solution, pluging another nic of the
Pfsense (Alix) on the same wire (with a switch) and allocating each nic
a different subnet.

  Many thanks to all people for suggestions and feedback,
Fred.

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Amerman
When there is a good use-case I completely agree with you, and it is
probably my fault for not remembering that his traffic probably needed to be
kept more separate.

In many cases it is completely a non issue. In most of the cases I use this
method it is all within a single internal organization so no risk at all.


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Richard


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:14 AM, David Burgess  wrote:

> On 2010-11-19 9:56 AM, "Richard Amerman"  wrote:
> > I do this all the time and using a separate nic is simpler and easier to
> > manage than an alias. Unless I am missing something, a vlan for this case
> is
> > overkill.
>
> I discussed this with the m0n0wall list back in '07 where cmb and others
> essentially said that it's a bad idea to run 2 subnets on a physical
> network, mostly for security reasons, I think.
>
> Given the option I would do the vlan thing, just for the added layer
> separating the hostile users from my stuff.
>
> db
>


Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread David Burgess
On 2010-11-19 9:56 AM, "Richard Amerman"  wrote:
> I do this all the time and using a separate nic is simpler and easier to
> manage than an alias. Unless I am missing something, a vlan for this case
is
> overkill.

I discussed this with the m0n0wall list back in '07 where cmb and others
essentially said that it's a bad idea to run 2 subnets on a physical
network, mostly for security reasons, I think.

Given the option I would do the vlan thing, just for the added layer
separating the hostile users from my stuff.

db


Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Amerman
I do this all the time and using a separate nic is simpler and easier to
manage than an alias. Unless I am missing something, a vlan for this case is
overkill.

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Richard


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:13 PM, David Burgess  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:51 PM, fi...@7technw.com 
> wrote:
> > Another easy solution is to just add another nic.
>
> Not an option in this case. The OP described a wireless network where
> the client subnet and management subnet exist on the same physical
> network. You can't change that in this case, so your two options are
> to separate them virtually (vlans) or just run them on the same
> physical network.
>
> Yes, he could use another NIC and plug it into a switch along with the
> first NIC and the wireless network, but this still doesn't separate
> the two networks, and is no better than creating an alias on the
> existing NIC.
>
> db
>
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Re: [pfSense Support] LAGG Question

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 25/10/10 16:33, James Bensley wrote:
> pfSense doesn't allow you to configure an IP address, mask and gateway
> for every interface on the box, only the interfaces assigned as LAN
> and WAN. 

for the sake of the record, that's entirely wrong... the web ui allows
you add new interfaces and rename them... so create an OPT and call it
WAN2, say.


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Re: [pfSense Support] SCP stalls with OpenVPN

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Mansfield
On 13/11/10 02:01, Karsten Becker wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I have the problem that if I'm connected with OpenVPN (Ubuntu 10.04), I
> get stalled copies when doing scp. CIFS copies work.
> 
> Has anybody an idea where to start fire fighting or by what this could
> be caused?

try reducing MTU, or, unblocking icmp?


http://www.znep.com/~marcs/mtu/

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[pfSense Support] User browsing - Access / Reporting

2010-11-19 Thread Dominic
Hi All,

I am currently using pfSense 1.2.3 with Squid to provide browsing
access to users. Until now this has worked
perfectly and the Lightsquid package has been used for reporting.

This however now needs to change to AD based authentication for
browsing and been able to pull user
reports based on their user info.

Can anyone recommend the best way of doing this without having a login
prompt for the user info? For
example a login page (Can Captive Portal do this authentication and
still allow me to pull Lightsquid reports?).

I know the Squid / AD authentication will work but the popup this
returns is not "acceptable" to the users
and thus needs to be changed to either a transparent process or a login page.

Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Dom.

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Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?

2010-11-19 Thread Kevin Tollison
I use Engenius equipment quite often. They support a management interface and 
up to 4 SSIDs all controlled with VLAN tagging.  
--Original Message--
From: Fred Boiteux
To: support@pfsense.com
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Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] how to manage 2 subnets for LAN ?
Sent: Nov 18, 2010 2:39 PM

Le Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:10:18 +0100,
Seth Mos  a écrit :

> Hi,
> 
> >As we use an Alix 2d3 board with 3 ethernet interfaces, there is
> > one free at now : could we use this OPT interface to manage backbone
> > network, with an address in its subnet 192.168.1.0/24, and put an
> > address from 192.168.2.0/24 subnet on the LAN interface to serve
> > clients, provided these two LAN and OPT will be connected through a
> > switch to the first antenna of the backbone where all traffic is
> > passing ?
> 
> I think you want a managed switch that has vlan support. You can then 
> use the 3rd port on the alix for connecting all the vlans.

The different LAN subnets' trafic aren't VLAN tagged, and all traffic
comes from one Ethernet port (from the nearest antenna), so I don't
understand how VLAN could be used there ?

Fred.



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