[biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
> You used too much. I agree completely. a shot of ether for the count of ONE or TWO is more than plenty to start a 14 liter diesel engine. along the same notes: if you intend to use a starting aid make sure that you use the proper stuff. Until a few years ago WD40 was using propane as a propellant to fix their CFC's content requirements. This propane content worked well to replace ether as a starting aid. You had to make sure you werent plugging the paper air filter with the oil content, but it worked to get things started. However WD40 has changed their recipe and this will not work anymore. I also remember over-enthusiastic people bringing in their lawn tractors with large holes blown thru their hoods after unloading a half can of ether into the air cleaner and trying to start the small engine. One time the cylinder head on a single piston 16 HP Briggs and Stratton gasoline engine separated with enough force to break 8 bolts and then blow the head through the tin hood on the tractor and then the plaster board ceiling in the gargage it was located in. The underlying reason the motor was hard to start was that he had run the fuel tank dry the last time he used the equipment. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You used too much. > I worked on a farm and we had to use ether all the time to get things > running and I never broke anything. One time I sprayed too much in an > engine and it revved really [way too] fast, but it didn't break > anything. But these were large 500 ci IH in milk trucks, and smaller > straight 6 tractors. > So I guess if you don't need it, don't use it of course. > > harley3 wrote: > > >Never use "starting fluid" in a diesel engine. I tried starting fluid once > >in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban.The engine spit the starter out onto the > >ground.My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 teeth off my > >torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. > > > >Harley > > > > > > > -- > --- > Martin Klingensmith > http://nnytech.net/ > http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "harley3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Never use "starting fluid" in a diesel engine. I tried starting fluid once > in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban.The engine spit the starter out onto the > ground.My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 teeth off my > torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. > > Harley Or at least disable the Glow Plugs first. They tend to work as Spark pLugs. It's perfectly safe to use Starting Fluids in Diesel Engines, but NOT with activated Glow Plugs! A bit of Starting Fluid can save a lot of wear and tear on starter and batteries. I've been doing it for 30 years in extreme cold. If Starting Fluid won't fire it up, you'll need to heat it. Not for amateurs, so I won't go into any detail that may lead someone to do something really expensively wrong. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > don't know about the gm's, but we used ether in sub zero temps to start our > big trucks every morning. just a quick shot in the breather to get it > turning. most starters can be overrun, so it may have been a fluke in your > issue. > Big Truck Diesels don't have Glow Plugs. His Suburban 6.5 does. NEVER use Starting Fluid and Glow Plugs at the same time! Glow Plugs with #2 Diesel Fuel are good to about 10F, without a block heater. You may be able to start down to 0F with #1 Diesel Fuel. Colder than that, you will need heat or Starting Fluid. -20F or colder will need both heat and Starting Fluid. Most Loggers in my area have a Hydraulic Hose quick-coupler inline in the Heater hose on their pickup engine. When starting cold Diesels, you pull up close, and couple connecting hoses to the engine from the heater on the pickup, and usually jumper cables to warm up the batteries. Within 20 minutes the Diesel is at operating temp without being started or cranked. It then starts easily without undue wear and tear on the starter. Watch the Oil Pressure Gauge! If no pressure reading within 30 seconds, shut it off, and heat the Oil pan with a Propane Torch until the Oil is thinned enough for the Oil Pump to pick it up. Synthetic Engine Oils are a wonderful invention and well worth the extra cost for extreme cold starting. Many Loggers don't work when the temp is below -20F, and few work if it is -40F. Productivity is down, and maintainance costs can go way up. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/XfSp7B/XlOFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
LOL oh gee I cant get off the floor.. man that was funny.. I see that sort of thing every so often.. In fact I bought a '84 audi quatro for 400 bucks from my brother because he said it was junk... LOL I put gas in it replaced the fuse for the computer and it ran just fine.. My wife still loves to drive that car. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > You used too much. > > I agree completely. a shot of ether for the count of ONE or TWO is > more than plenty to start a 14 liter diesel engine. > > along the same notes: if you intend to use a starting aid make sure > that you use the proper stuff. Until a few years ago WD40 was using > propane as a propellant to fix their CFC's content requirements. > This propane content worked well to replace ether as a starting aid. > You had to make sure you werent plugging the paper air filter with > the oil content, but it worked to get things started. However WD40 > has changed their recipe and this will not work anymore. > > I also remember over-enthusiastic people bringing in their lawn > tractors with large holes blown thru their hoods after unloading a > half can of ether into the air cleaner and trying to start the small > engine. One time the cylinder head on a single piston 16 HP Briggs > and Stratton gasoline engine separated with enough force to break 8 > bolts and then blow the head through the tin hood on the tractor and > then the plaster board ceiling in the gargage it was located in. The > underlying reason the motor was hard to start was that he had run the > fuel tank dry the last time he used the equipment. > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You used too much. > > I worked on a farm and we had to use ether all the time to get > things > > running and I never broke anything. One time I sprayed too much in > an > > engine and it revved really [way too] fast, but it didn't break > > anything. But these were large 500 ci IH in milk trucks, and > smaller > > straight 6 tractors. > > So I guess if you don't need it, don't use it of course. > > > > harley3 wrote: > > > > >Never use "starting fluid" in a diesel engine. I tried starting > fluid once > > >in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban.The engine spit the starter out > onto the > > >ground.My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 > teeth off my > > >torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. > > > > > >Harley > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --- > > Martin Klingensmith > > http://nnytech.net/ > > http://infoarchive.net/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under his truck to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines ... Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > don't know about the gm's, but we used ether in sub zero temps to > start our > > big trucks every morning. just a quick shot in the breather to get > it > > turning. most starters can be overrun, so it may have been a fluke > in your > > issue. > > > > > Big Truck Diesels don't have Glow Plugs. His Suburban 6.5 does. > NEVER use Starting Fluid and Glow Plugs at the same time! Glow Plugs > with #2 Diesel Fuel are good to about 10F, without a block heater. > You may be able to start down to 0F with #1 Diesel Fuel. Colder than > that, you will need heat or Starting Fluid. -20F or colder will need > both heat and Starting Fluid. > > Most Loggers in my area have a Hydraulic Hose quick-coupler inline > in the Heater hose on their pickup engine. When starting cold > Diesels, you pull up close, and couple connecting hoses to the engine > from the heater on the pickup, and usually jumper cables to warm up > the batteries. Within 20 minutes the Diesel is at operating temp > without being started or cranked. It then starts easily without undue > wear and tear on the starter. Watch the Oil Pressure Gauge! If no > pressure reading within 30 seconds, shut it off, and heat the Oil pan > with a Propane Torch until the Oil is thinned enough for the Oil Pump > to pick it up. Synthetic Engine Oils are a wonderful invention and > well worth the extra cost for extreme cold starting. > Many Loggers don't work when the temp is below -20F, and few work if > it is -40F. Productivity is down, and maintainance costs can go way > up. > > Motie > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
Sorry to appear ignorant but either the salamander you refer to is not of the coldblooded nature or I really missed the point(laugh) Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under his truck > to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines ... > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > http://www.green-trust.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:04 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > don't know about the gm's, but we used ether in sub zero temps to > > start our > > > big trucks every morning. just a quick shot in the breather to get Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
A salamander is a type of gas-fired restaurant broiler that has an open top - that is, unlike a normal broiler for home use, where the broiler is is the oven, a salamander is a stand-alone broiler with an exposed flame - perfect for warming up cold engine - sort of.. Craig Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Sorry to appear ignorant but either the salamander you refer to is > not of > the coldblooded nature or I really missed the point(laugh) > > Bryan Fullerton > White Knight Gifts > www.youcandobusiness.com > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > > good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under > his > truck > > to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines > > ... > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
