Re: [OSM-talk] Lakes and relations, what did I break?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Close-areas uses a tile index to find out what to do when it encounters a tile with *no* coastline at all (and your tiles do not have coastline on them). The tile index may indicate either land, sea, or mixed. It returns mixed for your tiles. I am leaning towards changing this into land because your tiles are, from a the coast of Ireland perspective, clearly inland... any thoughts on that, Martijn (who invented the tile index)? Yeah, it should be marked land. I find it interesting that bugs in the tile index have become quite rare recently, which would indicate we've almost converged to almost the right file. My initial implementation of close-areas did create a blue background only if the tile index indicated sea. It seems that meanwhile someone has added code to guess the background colour in cases where the tile index indicates mixed. The guessing goes like this: Yeah, the guessing rule was a bit if a hack, and IIRC you're looking at the new version :) Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Hi, Patrick Weber wrote: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. +1. I guess it was TomH's work and there's no reason not to announce such a major development on the lists (for the benefit of those who don't use the trac RSS feed). If it hadn't been for Andy's mention I'd probably still tell people to download map tiles and glue them together if they want a quick bitmap ;-) Apart from being useful to create a default styled map, the Export tab gives me the excellent rebuke to anyone who says why don't you use Google: Sure, where's *their* Export tab?. Good work! Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Yea the export tab is a great leap forward for this project! Makes it so much more useful then any other map service! Thanks (WARNING POSSIBLE FEATURE REQUEST) - Is it possible to export larger chunks of the maps at the maximum level of detail? (WARNING DWEEB QUESTIONS) - Is it possible to import the XML-file into Illustrator? - When I use this map, how can I tell the scale and projection when printing? Would it be correct just to say WGS84? And calculate the scale manually. Would that be enough to get that professional touch? 21 apr 2008 kl. 10.06 skrev Frederik Ramm: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles
On Saturday, 19 April 2008 11:46:52 +1200, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/4/18 Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: structure=pole highway=bus_stop amenity=post_box Ok, but you still have a potential conflict here. Hypothetically, you could have a timetable tag which applies to both a bus stop (tells you when busses arrive) and a post box (when is the post collected?). A neat solution is to have bus_stop:timetable and post_box:timetable. sorry, i should have made that clearer. i would do this as 3 separate items, maybe as a relation (slight overkill, but anyway). the relation would contain 3 nodes, one for the pole, one for the bus stop and one for the post box. thus each can have it's own timetable without any confusion. i would never tag one point (or way) as two separate items, that's asking for trouble, even if the tags don't clash technically this is wrong (not all 3 nodes can easily share the same point and still be editable), but i don't see a huge problem in 2 of them being slightly offset They can share the same _position_, represented in OSM as one node. IMHO the only natural possibility in OSM to describe three different entities at the same position is by using relations. I.e., put the node to its physical location, and add three relations with this node as member to describe (a) the pole, (b) the bus stop, and (c) the post box. a lot of the disputes over tagging are caused by people confusing physical items with conceptual ones; if we thought about separating them before debating a tagging scheme, things would be a lot clearer That may be, but I still think in some cases you are going to want multiple conceptual items attached to a single item - namespacing allows this to be done without risk of conflicting tags and makes it more obvious how the tags interact with each item (conceptual or physical). The same thing _could_ be done with relations (i.e. you mark up the physical items with ways and nodes and use relations containing physical items to represent the conceptial things). But at the moment that would be even more complex than a clear set of namespaces. ... if the OSM editors support a basic set of relations to add groups of tags to a single item as easy as adding a single tag to a node/way, IMHO namespaces are not really needed. Best wishes, -bernd ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking forward to delving into the code (when Potlatch 0.8b is out of the way) and examining the possibility of adding unstyled Illustrator export. That was the other thing I was thinking about that I just alluded to in another message ;-) Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Axel von Matern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (WARNING POSSIBLE FEATURE REQUEST) - Is it possible to export larger chunks of the maps at the maximum level of detail? No, because it would be too computationally expensive to produce such maps. In the case of the bitmap images it would require vast amounts of memory and in the case of the vector images they would be unusable even if you could produce them as the files would be so large that rendering them would take forever. (WARNING DWEEB QUESTIONS) - Is it possible to import the XML-file into Illustrator? Not unless Illustrator has magically gained an understanding of OpenStreetMap XML data while I wasn't looking, at that seems extremely unlikely. Your best bet will be to take the mapnik SVG/PDF/PS image and import that - Illustrator should be able to read at least one of those. - When I use this map, how can I tell the scale and projection when printing? Would it be correct just to say WGS84? And calculate the scale manually. Would that be enough to get that professional touch? The scale will be (give or take) what you asked for in the case of mapnik - there is as I explained yesterday one possible issue over the question of DPI assumptions with the vector formats. With the mapnik bitmaps formats, if you assume the bitmap to be a 96 DPI image then the scale should be what you asked for I think. The projection is the Google spherical mercator projection for both mapnik and osmarender images (aka EPSG 900913). Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] New Export Tab
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Patrick Weber wrote: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. +1. I guess it was TomH's work and there's no reason not to announce such a major development on the lists (for the benefit of those who don't use the trac RSS feed). If it hadn't been for Andy's mention I'd probably still tell people to download map tiles and glue them together if they want a quick bitmap ;-) Apart from being useful to create a default styled map, the Export tab gives me the excellent rebuke to anyone who says why don't you use Google: Sure, where's *their* Export tab?. Good work! Bye Frederik Congratulations from my part as well; not to forget about the scale and the map key, which were sooo needed. Great work - so nice to see osm moving forward :) Yann ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Axel von Matern wrote: Yea the export tab is a great leap forward for this project! Makes it so much more useful then any other map service! Thanks (WARNING POSSIBLE FEATURE REQUEST) - Is it possible to export larger chunks of the maps at the maximum level of detail? I guess the size of the export really is a question of performance, as there's only a finite amount of processing power that can be devoted to the export functionality. If you need such larger chunks, you could try and download successive bits of the extent you need and paste them together again, or write a custom script that directly downloads the relevant tiles. Also, you could try Kosmos as an alternative rendering engine. (WARNING DWEEB QUESTIONS) - Is it possible to import the XML-file into Illustrator? - When I use this map, how can I tell the scale and projection when printing? Would it be correct just to say WGS84? And calculate the scale manually. Would that be enough to get that professional touch? The projection issue would be solved by the integration of world files or geoaware formats as proposed. I guess thats a job for phase two. begin:vcard fn:Patrick Weber n:Weber;Patrick org:University College London adr:;;Gower Street;London;;WC1E 6BT;United Kingdom email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Engineering Doctorate Student tel;work:02077185430 url:http://www.ucl.ac.uk/cemi version:2.1 end:vcard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sent: 21 April 2008 10:36 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab Frederik Ramm wrote: Patrick Weber wrote: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. +1. I guess it was TomH's work and there's no reason not to announce such a major development on the lists (for the benefit of those who don't use the trac RSS feed). Indeed. Absolutely delighted to come back and find this had appeared - turns out we've been discussing export to PDF for two years now, which is eons in OSM terms: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/001246.html I'm looking forward to delving into the code (when Potlatch 0.8b is out of the way) and examining the possibility of adding unstyled Illustrator export. +1 to that idea :-) Cheers Andy cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Frederik Ramm wrote: Patrick Weber wrote: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. +1. I guess it was TomH's work and there's no reason not to announce such a major development on the lists (for the benefit of those who don't use the trac RSS feed). Indeed. Absolutely delighted to come back and find this had appeared - turns out we've been discussing export to PDF for two years now, which is eons in OSM terms: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2006-May/001246.html I'm looking forward to delving into the code (when Potlatch 0.8b is out of the way) and examining the possibility of adding unstyled Illustrator export. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
Hello, Axel : The scale bar provided currently (April 21, 2008) by the main browser at www.openstreetmap.org is wrong. The image you get with the Export tab has no scale bar, so I recommend to use the Export tab and compute the scale bar yourself. More details: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-April/025361.html Regards, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Axel von Matern Enviado el: lun 21/04/2008 10:42 Para: OSM-Dev Openstreetmap; OSM-Talk Openstreetmap; Patrick Weber Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab Yea the export tab is a great leap forward for this project! Makes it so much more useful then any other map service! Thanks (WARNING POSSIBLE FEATURE REQUEST) - Is it possible to export larger chunks of the maps at the maximum level of detail? (WARNING DWEEB QUESTIONS) - Is it possible to import the XML-file into Illustrator? - When I use this map, how can I tell the scale and projection when printing? Would it be correct just to say WGS84? And calculate the scale manually. Would that be enough to get that professional touch? 21 apr 2008 kl. 10.06 skrev Frederik Ramm: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
And another lolcat goes to TomH :) The idea was floating around for some time but I think he really has done a good job here. I wasn't expecting the export tab to work that way but I really like how he's done it! Easy and nice to work with. Congrats. Renaud. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Axel von Matern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea the export tab is a great leap forward for this project! Makes it so much more useful then any other map service! Thanks (WARNING POSSIBLE FEATURE REQUEST) - Is it possible to export larger chunks of the maps at the maximum level of detail? (WARNING DWEEB QUESTIONS) - Is it possible to import the XML-file into Illustrator? - When I use this map, how can I tell the scale and projection when printing? Would it be correct just to say WGS84? And calculate the scale manually. Would that be enough to get that professional touch? 21 apr 2008 kl. 10.06 skrev Frederik Ramm: Just wanted to congratulate whoever was involved in the development of the Export tab. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Export Tab
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Tom Hughes wrote: With the mapnik bitmaps formats, if you assume the bitmap to be a 96 DPI image then the scale should be what you asked for I think. It might be worth mentioning this on the export page itself. In any case, excellent work. I'm going to have to start investigating the use of the main OSM codebase for the OpenPisteMap website - things like the export tab would be extremely useful there. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
first - congrats on the export tab - that's some slick work now: I'd like to use OSM on pages optimised for mobile phone - google maps have a service which displays a small (about 200px sq.) image with simple links to pan and zoom. The 'tile browser' at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ is close, but way too large for mobile phone screens. I also can't get http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/MapOf/ to work. note: I'm not talking about a standalone app - mgmaps is brilliant for that. I want to have simple maps in simple web pages as images. Have looked around a bit and not found anything... Ideas? -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now: I'd like to use OSM on pages optimised for mobile phone - google maps have a service which displays a small (about 200px sq.) image with simple links to pan and zoom. The 'tile browser' at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ is close, but way too large for mobile phone screens. I also can't get http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/MapOf/ to work. Those are old URLs - all [EMAIL PROTECTED] services are on tah.openstreetmap.org and every time you use the osmarender export from the export tab you are actually using MapOf... MapOf is pretty slow though. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tiles are 256x256 pixel. If you want decent usability you must display three columns and three rows and then always pan by +/-1 otherwise the user gets confused. You could try to simply display one tile but I doubt this will work well. I think Google's just displays one tile. Of course, we don't just have to do what Google does. :) Displaying a 256x256 tile, but being able to scroll the map half a tile at a time would work better, but is complex (probably requires rendering a whole extra set of tiles) - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
Hi, now: I'd like to use OSM on pages optimised for mobile phone - google maps have a service which displays a small (about 200px sq.) image with simple links to pan and zoom. The 'tile browser' at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ is close, but way too large for mobile phone screens. Tiles are 256x256 pixel. If you want decent usability you must display three columns and three rows and then always pan by +/-1 otherwise the user gets confused. You could try to simply display one tile but I doubt this will work well. Anything not working with existing tiles would mean that you either have to create tiles yourself which requires a bit of infrastructure, or you would have to combine and split existing tiles through a web service which would mean that all map traffic goes through that service... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
Hi, I am thinking about mobile browser a long time... and now I prepared som quick-n-dirty demo, with one zoomlevel only, with on th fly 256x256 tile cuting to 64x64 pixel subtiles and displaying them as 3x3 subtiles in one table, subtiles on edges has link like http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ her is link for demo http://mobile.freemap.sk :) Dodi - Original Message - From: Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages? first - congrats on the export tab - that's some slick work now: I'd like to use OSM on pages optimised for mobile phone - google maps have a service which displays a small (about 200px sq.) image with simple links to pan and zoom. The 'tile browser' at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ is close, but way too large for mobile phone screens. I also can't get http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/MapOf/ to work. note: I'm not talking about a standalone app - mgmaps is brilliant for that. I want to have simple maps in simple web pages as images. Have looked around a bit and not found anything... Ideas? -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
On Mon, April 21, 2008 14:03, Steve Hill wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tiles are 256x256 pixel. If you want decent usability you must display three columns and three rows and then always pan by +/-1 otherwise the user gets confused. You could try to simply display one tile but I doubt this will work well. I think Google's just displays one tile. Of course, we don't just have to do what Google does. :) Displaying a 256x256 tile, but being able to scroll the map half a tile at a time would work better, but is complex (probably requires rendering a whole extra set of tiles) The mobile application (MIDlet or whatever you use on the phone) could fetch multiple tiles and just show part of that image. Wouldn't work if you just use built-in browsers, though... Regards, Hakan -- The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
Andrew Harris schrieb: now: I'd like to use OSM on pages optimised for mobile phone - google maps have a service which displays a small (about 200px sq.) image with simple links to pan and zoom. The 'tile browser' at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ is close, but way too large for mobile phone screens. I also can't get http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/MapOf/ to work. note: I'm not talking about a standalone app - mgmaps is brilliant for that. I want to have simple maps in simple web pages as images. Have looked around a bit and not found anything... Ideas? Someone made a special webpage for the iphone/ipod touch. It is optimized for the multitouch in safari. On my ipod touch it works very well. osm.planetschmidt.de http://osm.planetschmidt.de Jonas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Dhaka is under water!
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Francois De Ryckel wrote: AS I was working on Dhaka (Bangaldesh) I deleted by mistake some nodes that belong to some coastline drawing Consequences: the whole Dhaka is now under water! (I know is pretty common but it isn't now the rainy season ... 2 more months!) Any way to repair that mistake... Select the coastline in potlatch, hit H and revert the change. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM for mobile web pages?
Andrew Harris schrieb: now: I'd like to use OSM on pages optimised for mobile phone - google maps have a service which displays a small (about 200px sq.) image with simple links to pan and zoom. The 'tile browser' at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ is close, but way too large for mobile phone screens. I also can't get http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/MapOf/ to work. note: I'm not talking about a standalone app - mgmaps is brilliant for that. I want to have simple maps in simple web pages as images. Have looked around a bit and not found anything... Ideas? Someone made a special webpage for the iphone/ipod touch. It is optimized for the multitouch in safari. On my ipod touch it works very well. osm.planetschmidt.de http://osm.planetschmidt.de Jonas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SVG tiles
poco.org.uk I have developed a mobile-phone Java app (called 'mom') to navigate OSM maps and save GPX tracks (amongst other things) which will soon be out there for people to download. It uses mapnick PNG tiles at 5 of OSM's scales (3, 6, 9, 12 15) which look nice but are quite big files to download to a phone (typically 12kB-15kB for scale 15) so take a significant amount of time and eat into a user's data allowance to fetch. I considered using the compact binary downloads aimed at mobile apps, but this is raw data and the graphics limitations of mobile Java mean the maps drawn from it would not look very pretty. I am fairly ignorant of OSM data structures and back-room software but I understand SVG is used in producing bitmap tiles. As I understand it, the idea of SVG is not only to give nice, scalable, graphics, but to do so using smaller file/download sizes than bitmaps. Many/most of the newest mobile phones are able to draw SVG graphics in Java, as are browsers, and desktop Java will soon include SVG graphics, so it looks to me like the way forward. If tiles were available as SVG I am sure it would be relatively easy to substitute them for bitmap tiles in slippy maps or apps like mine. Not only would downloads be faster but a smaller range of scales would be needed, with the same data set and appearance being used for a range of scales and scaling of the SVG image used for intermediate (or infinitely adjustable) scales. I had been intending to get round to mailing this list enquiring if SVG downloads were possible/available when the Export tab appeared. My initial delight** was slightly diminished when I exported a map in two formats - SVG and PNG - and found the SVG version was 340kB while the PNG file was 132kB. A glance at the SVG data suggests that text is actually drawn (sometimes more than once (for background then again for the text itself) using long, elaborate paths and shape definitions of every character at every orientation and size, rather than just using the SVG text element!!! I suspect it also incorporates bitmap images as icons rather than using SVG definitions. I think SVG is the way forward, but not if the file sizes end up almost three times bigger than bitmaps! I suggest that, if has not already been done and is hidden somewhere I haven't looked, that a server should be dedicated to scalable map tiles using a compact and efficient implementation of SVG coding. **Hats off to those involved, by the way :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SVG tiles
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it can draw the SVG maps, it doesn't have graphics limitations. If nothing else, you could download the OSM mobile binary and convert to SVG in the phone. Take a look at osmarender. It probably won't be easy to draw nice maps, but it would be a very useful addition to the OSM project if you can pull it off. Has anyone tried rendering OSM data using OpenGL ES? I'm thinking in terms of rendering the roads in 3d rather than simply mapping the tiles as textures. OpenGL ES has good support on Symbian, iPhone and the upcoming Google Android platform. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SVG tiles
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: poco.org.uk I have developed a mobile-phone Java app (called 'mom') to navigate OSM maps and save GPX tracks (amongst other things) which will soon be out there for people to download. It uses mapnick PNG tiles at 5 of OSM's scales (3, 6, 9, 12 15) which look nice but are quite big files to download to a phone (typically 12kB-15kB for scale 15) so take a significant amount of time and eat into a user's data allowance to fetch. I considered using the compact binary downloads aimed at mobile apps, but this is raw data and the graphics limitations of mobile Java mean the maps drawn from it would not look very pretty. I am fairly ignorant of OSM data structures and back-room software but I understand SVG is used in producing bitmap tiles. As I understand it, the idea of SVG is not only to give nice, scalable, graphics, but to do so using smaller file/download sizes than bitmaps. Many/most of the newest mobile phones are able to draw SVG graphics in Java, as are browsers, and desktop Java will soon include SVG graphics, so it looks to me like the way forward. If tiles were available as SVG I am sure it would be relatively easy to substitute them for bitmap tiles in slippy maps or apps like mine. Not only would downloads be faster but a smaller range of scales would be needed, with the same data set and appearance being used for a range of scales and scaling of the SVG image used for intermediate (or infinitely adjustable) scales. I had been intending to get round to mailing this list enquiring if SVG downloads were possible/available when the Export tab appeared. My initial delight** was slightly diminished when I exported a map in two formats - SVG and PNG - and found the SVG version was 340kB while the PNG file was 132kB. A glance at the SVG data suggests that text is actually drawn (sometimes more than once (for background then again for the text itself) using long, elaborate paths and shape definitions of every character at every orientation and size, rather than just using the SVG text element!!! I suspect it also incorporates bitmap images as icons rather than using SVG definitions. I think SVG is the way forward, but not if the file sizes end up almost three times bigger than bitmaps! Take a look at Osmarender. This creates proper SVG. Details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmarender I suggest that, if has not already been done and is hidden somewhere I haven't looked, that a server should be dedicated to scalable map tiles using a compact and efficient implementation of SVG coding. **Hats off to those involved, by the way :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SVG tiles
Hi, I have developed a mobile-phone Java app (called 'mom') to navigate OSM maps and save GPX tracks (amongst other things) which will soon be out there for people to download. It uses mapnick PNG tiles at 5 of OSM's scales (3, 6, 9, 12 15) which look nice but are quite big files to download to a phone (typically 12kB-15kB for scale 15) so take a significant amount of time and eat into a user's data allowance to fetch. I considered using the compact binary downloads aimed at mobile apps, but this is raw data and the graphics limitations of mobile Java mean the maps drawn from it would not look very pretty. Check the source for the Java app traveling salesman (on Sourceforce). I believe there's code in there to (a) compact OSM data for use on a mobile device and (b) render maps from said compacted data. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles
That makes sense -- the top and bottom of a climbing route should be two nodes separated by a way which indicates that it's fairly difficult to travel between the two. On our 2D map they'll be nearly on top of each other, which is correct but a bit difficult to visualise. Perhaps the ele=x m tag would be useful here - so that if someone actually tries creating a 3D map of a crag they'll have data to work with... On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Nick wrote: It's very difficult to know what to do with climbing routes without truly 3-dimensional mapping - that said your suggestion sounds feasible. Having thought more about this, my proposal has a problem: There is no way to show the difference between a path leading to the bottom of a route and the path leading to the top of the route. I'm starting to think that for routes which do have a path to the top we need to have a node for both the top and bottom with a way between them, even though a lot of the time these nodes will be practically on top of each other... - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging climbing routes and scrambles
Not related to the namespace discussion, but the idea of cliff materials is interesting. Something I found when I attempted to tag dirt cliffs, ravines, etc... How about this one, which uses only existing tags? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Cliff_surface On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at the proposed climbing:rock=limestone and wonder to what possible information the 'climbing' conveys, other than needless typing. Surely it's just rock=limestone? Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Highway tagging in the USA
I thought it might be useful to have a concrete (literally) example of USA tagging to talk about. So.. think I have tagged the highways from San Francisco down to San Jose as described on the highway tagging page, with a few exceptions. My reference was the international section of the highway tag article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Highway_tag_usage#International_equi valence The exceptions are as follows: 1) I upgraded the Golden Gate Bridge from primary to trunk, but I think it should be motorway because it has ramp-only access. 2) I upgraded most of the 'braided' highways in the San Francisco area and other main arteries further south to primary. Some of the ones I coded as primary in the San Francisco area have now been retagged as tertiary. I have sent am email to the author of these changes to see if the motivation is to get the roads to render yellow or if I have missed something. 3) IThere are many roads that are currently still tagged as residential which should probably be tertiary, secondary or primary and there are of course many areas of grey between primary, secondary and tertiary, however I think it would be good to get some feedback and discussion first. Could people take a look and see if I have got it about right and suggest or execute changes where required. Also. please could someone to a 'trial render' of the area using one or more potential 'USA friendly' colour schemes so we can see what it would look like. Personally I would be interested in something along these lines: Orange and wide: Motoroway/trunk Yellow and wide: Primary Yellow at narrow: secondary Fainted yellow and narrow: tertiary Could this be done off-line and then posted as an image on the wiki for discussion? Could anyone have a go at this? Btw, I have been copying some emails from talk onto talk-us over the past few days but they haven't made it onto the list, not sure why. Possibly it was because I was not a member of the list (which I now am). Regards, Peter Peter Ito ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway tagging in the USA
On 21/04/2008 19:46, Peter Miller wrote: Also… please could someone to a ‘trial render’ of the area using one or more potential ‘USA friendly’ colour schemes so we can see what it would look like. Personally I would be interested in something along these lines: Orange and wide: Motoroway/trunk Yellow and wide: Primary Yellow at narrow: secondary Fainted yellow and narrow: tertiary Curious that you say these are 'USA friendly' colors. I have in front of me a Rand-McNally road map of the US, bought and published in the US, and the key is as follows: Free limited access highway: purplish blue with red casement Toll limited access highway: light green with dark green casement Other four lane divided highway: yellow with red casement Principal highway (mostly used for wider non-divided state highways in practice): wide pink (no special casement) Other through highway: narrow pink (no special casement) Other road: narrow purple Unpaved road: white with gray casement (though so small it just appears as a gray line really). On the inset street-level maps, they carry this through, and in addition, show principal urban streets as gray They also have some central area maps for some cities where they show every street. In these, the principal urban streets are now pink and the minor (residential) streets are gray. The big highways are as per the main map, though we get to see individual carriageways and junction arrangements at that scale. The Golden Gate bridge is apparently tolled, so it is shown in the second category. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway tagging in the USA
Possibly I am pushing a non-issue but personally I find the red overpowering in a grid system and I have no other explanation as to why so many major roads are getting tagged as tertiary and secondary. Autually, I guess another explanation might be because many of the US highways were tagged as secondary by default on import (with motorway-link ramps). Incidentally would it be possibly to design a 'tiger-bot' that went looking for roads tagged as secondary, are 'separated' and had not been touched since initial import and retagged them automatically as motorway? This would of course need consensus but might save a lot of work, but I think the only roads that fit this condition are really motorways. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: David Earl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2008 20:21 To: Peter Miller Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Talk Openstreetmap' Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Highway tagging in the USA On 21/04/2008 19:46, Peter Miller wrote: Also. please could someone to a 'trial render' of the area using one or more potential 'USA friendly' colour schemes so we can see what it would look like. Personally I would be interested in something along these lines: Orange and wide: Motoroway/trunk Yellow and wide: Primary Yellow at narrow: secondary Fainted yellow and narrow: tertiary Curious that you say these are 'USA friendly' colors. I have in front of me a Rand-McNally road map of the US, bought and published in the US, and the key is as follows: Free limited access highway: purplish blue with red casement Toll limited access highway: light green with dark green casement Other four lane divided highway: yellow with red casement Principal highway (mostly used for wider non-divided state highways in practice): wide pink (no special casement) Other through highway: narrow pink (no special casement) Other road: narrow purple Unpaved road: white with gray casement (though so small it just appears as a gray line really). On the inset street-level maps, they carry this through, and in addition, show principal urban streets as gray They also have some central area maps for some cities where they show every street. In these, the principal urban streets are now pink and the minor (residential) streets are gray. The big highways are as per the main map, though we get to see individual carriageways and junction arrangements at that scale. The Golden Gate bridge is apparently tolled, so it is shown in the second category. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
Hi, for an upcoming OSM booth we have the offer of a local Apple dealer to supply us with all the hardware we want (including 30+ displays and all). These would, however, be out-of-the-box Macs with those funny keyboards and those mice without buttons you know... and they wouldn't even let us pop an Ubuntu CD in and install a proper OS ;-) My question to the Mac users out there: Will those Macs be suitable for demonstrating all important aspects of OSM, i.e. * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles for all layers instead of current only?) * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) * Potlatch * ...? Or will I have to install countless helpers, utilities and control panels? I would like to accept the offer but if I end up endlessly tuning those machines to act like normal computers then I'd rather opt for run-down but working Linux boxes from the community instead of the shiny Macs. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:46:53PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: My question to the Mac users out there: Will those Macs be suitable for demonstrating all important aspects of OSM, i.e. * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles for all layers instead of current only?) I've heard this rumour as well, but use Safari as my primary browser and have never had this issue. Safari 3.1 is 2x faster than FF3 and 10x faster than FF2 at DOM manipulation, so in general, the slippy map will be much faster on latest Safari than any other browser on mac. * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) This is likely your sticking point. The inability to drag the map is a real killer on JOSM, and I'm not aware of any decent ways of working around it within the java on mac. (I do a *lot* of zooming in and out, and use of the ctrl-arrows, whenever I need JOSM without an eexternal mouse.) * Potlatch Potlatch works great, and is primarily developed on an apple machine. * ...? The PDFs from the export tab all work beautifully in Apple's 'Preview.app'. Or will I have to install countless helpers, utilities and control panels? Fix JOSM to drag with a single button mouse, and you should be golden. :) Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt MetaCarta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
On 21/04/2008, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question to the Mac users out there: Will those Macs be suitable for demonstrating all important aspects of OSM, i.e. Yes, IMHO, but see below: * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles for all layers instead of current only?) I've sometimes had the sense, irrespective of browser, that more loads than is really needed, but I mostly use Safari and have no real issue with it. Do run the software updates to pull in latest Safari with much improved rendering speed and standards compliance. You can also install Firefox for safety - V3 has native widgets. * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) Works fine except for requirement to use a doctored YWMS plugin (if you want to run it). Don't use the 1-button mouse. If the thing comes with a Mighty Mouse (tiny trackball where the wheel should be) just go into System Preferences-Mouse and map the right mouse side as button 2 and the trackball click as button 3. Or just connect any USB mouse of your choosing. You might want search the list archives for references to the JOSM Mac Application Package. That will give you a nice icon in the dock and will allocate a nicer amount of RAM. * Potlatch Fine for me. Something that used to happen was the occasional keyboard freeze, which could be unwedged by switching to another app and back again. * ...? Well, you can get a shell on it if you want to, but I imagine you won't want to install [EMAIL PROTECTED] or suchlike (it's possible, but tricky first time, a lot of prerequisites). sudo su if you want root. Or will I have to install countless helpers, utilities and control panels? Apple menu-software update and install everything in sight, but especially Safari. I would like to accept the offer but if I end up endlessly tuning those machines to act like normal computers then I'd rather opt for run-down but working Linux boxes from the community instead of the shiny Macs. Use the Macs. They look the part and should do what you want. Dermot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
On 21 Apr 2008, at 21:46, Frederik Ramm wrote: My question to the Mac users out there: Will those Macs be suitable for demonstrating all important aspects of OSM, i.e. * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles for all layers instead of current only?) The slippy map works fine here... * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) I've used JOSM with a single button mouse for quite a while, for anything you need right click for ctrl+click is the equivalent to right click. * Potlatch Potlatch is as useable as on any other platform. There is very little that wont work, just remember ctrl+click = right click -- Chris Jones, SUCS Admin http://sucs.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
Christopher Schmidt wrote: * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) This is likely your sticking point. The inability to drag the map is a real killer on JOSM, and I'm not aware of any decent ways of working around it within the java on mac. (I do a *lot* of zooming in and out, and use of the ctrl-arrows, whenever I need JOSM without an eexternal mouse.) you can use a real mouse with a normal number of buttons... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
Hi, * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) This is likely your sticking point. The inability to drag the map is a real killer on JOSM, and I'm not aware of any decent ways of working around it within the java on mac. (I do a *lot* of zooming in and out, and use of the ctrl-arrows, whenever I need JOSM without an eexternal mouse.) How would a native Mac application deal with wanting to let the user drag the map and at the same time wanting to let him draw a selection rectangle? Would they have one drag mode and one select mode then, or a modifier key for one of the two actions? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
Op 21 apr 2008, om 22:46 heeft Frederik Ramm het volgende geschreven: Hi, Hi Frederik, for an upcoming OSM booth we have the offer of a local Apple dealer to supply us with all the hardware we want (including 30+ displays and all). These would, however, be out-of-the-box Macs with those funny keyboards and those mice without buttons you know... and they wouldn't even let us pop an Ubuntu CD in and install a proper OS ;-) That's very nice. My question to the Mac users out there: Will those Macs be suitable for demonstrating all important aspects of OSM, i.e. * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles for all layers instead of current only?) I just compared FF2 and Safari 3.1.1 using http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.3977lon=4.8929zoom=12layers=B0FT FF2 does 195 requests, Safari 174. Safari actually performs better. I did not do extensive testing, but with a clean cache Safari loads the above page about a second and a half faster than FF2. * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) That is indeed horrible. Recent Macs are supplied with a two-button mouse though. Well - it's actually still one physical surface, but left and right clicks are detected. I would recommend connecting any regular mouse though, because the scroll 'wheel' (it's actually a little ball) is nasty. * Potlatch It...Works. Expect hiccups now and then. Flash is slower on Macs than on Windows. Even recent Macs suffer. I have a MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo and I regularly have to wait 1sec+ for Potlatch to react to user input after it stalls. * ...? You could of course install Windows on them ;) Or Ubuntu / Debian / Whatever in a VM. I run Windows, Ubuntu and Mac OSX all at the same time with no problems at all. Or will I have to install countless helpers, utilities and control panels? No. Only thing I'd recommend is putting this: #!/bin/bash java -jar -Xmx256M -XX:MaxPermSize=256M /Applications/josm-latest.jar in ~/Library/Scripts/JOSM.sh (chmod 0755) and enabling the script menu through the AppleScript Utility (included in Leopard) for easy access to JOSM. I would like to accept the offer but if I end up endlessly tuning those machines to act like normal computers then I'd rather opt for run-down but working Linux boxes from the community instead of the shiny Macs. Is there no-one with hands-on Mac experience that can lend a hand? You wouldn't want to turn down those 30 screens :) Good luck! -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [KA-Geo] Hausnummern in OpenStreetMap: Karlsruher Schema
Hallo, (Die Suedstadt konnte man schon mal mit Hausnummern bewundern, aber mittlerweile hat jemand anders, der den neuen Stil noch nicht hat, das Tile wieder ueberschrieben...) Jetzt gerade gehts: http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=49.00369896795286lon=8.406686792421542zoom=17layers=B000F000F Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ KA-Geo mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://remote.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ka-geo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway tagging in the USA
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly I am pushing a non-issue but personally I find the red overpowering in a grid system and I have no other explanation as to why so many major roads are getting tagged as tertiary and secondary. Are you sure these are manually tagged and not just bad TIGER data? Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs
Sorry for my previous, possibly confusing post. I meant so send this one... * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles for all layers instead of current only?) I've been using the slippy map with Safari for several months and never had an issue. * JOSM (especially concerned about usability with 1 button mouse) Newer Macs come with the Mighty Mouse which has 4 buttons and a scroll button. But you should also be able to use any other USB mouse. * Potlatch Safari comes with a Flash plug-in and therefore has no problems running Potlatch. If you want, I can come to Karlsruhe and do some Mac consulting (sometime after finishing my university degree next week) ;-) Greets, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SVG tiles
Tom Hughes Wrote: Sure. I'll just look in the cupboard marked spare servers Please.. Please.. tell me where that cupboard is I've been searching for it at home and work for months now ;) Damian Fell (Damocov) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
Hi, In connection with something that was raised in #osm, I did some scratchpading here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=74.28624lon=1.138034zoom=18 (NOTE : I made sure that this wasn't actually anywhere important... it appeared to be an area of ocean being in the middle of the Atlantic on OSM) I was wondering what peoples thoughts were. (these sketchs are NOT accurate, to scale - they are just some thoughts) What exists are the start of some example floorplans for : * A supermarket * A Cinema seating arrangment * A simple house... I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand... On a related note, I would like to make a strong request for thier to be 'scratch' tiles in the OSM system, so that experimental ideas can be trialled without affecting the main map,database etc... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sfan00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In connection with something that was raised in #osm, I did some scratchpading here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=74.28624lon=1.138034zoom=18 (NOTE : I made sure that this wasn't actually anywhere important... it appeared to be an area of ocean being in the middle of the Atlantic on OSM) Everywhere is important. If it's an ocean it should look like an ocean. This has been discussed inumerable times before and the consensus has been very clear that we should not use any part of the globe, no matter how remote, as some sort of test area or scratchpad. I was wondering what peoples thoughts were. (these sketchs are NOT accurate, to scale - they are just some thoughts) What exists are the start of some example floorplans for : * A supermarket * A Cinema seating arrangment * A simple house... I would welcome some thoughts on what to expand... Why don't we just stick to mapping sensible things before we start worrying about mapping the insides of peoples houses! On a related note, I would like to make a strong request for thier to be 'scratch' tiles in the OSM system, so that experimental ideas can be trialled without affecting the main map,database etc... Our database covers the globe - where exactly do you propose we put this scratch area? Do you propose to extend the normal spherical coordinate system to have more than 360 degrees along some axis? Tiles do not exist as an entity in the database that we can magically allow you to write to - they are just an artefact of cutting the globe (or rather a projection of the globe) into pieces for rendering. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[Talk-de] Wasserschutzgebiet
Hi Leute, wie tagge ich einen Straßenteil der durch ein Wasserschutzgebiet geht (gesperrt für Gefahrguttransporter). Und wie tagge ich der Gebiet ansich. Gruß Estartu -- - Gerhard Schmidt | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TU-München| WWW Online Services | Tel: 089/289-25270| Fax: 089/289-25257| PGP-Publickey auf Anfrage signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wasserschutzgebiet
Moinsen Am Montag, 21. April 2008 08:31:01 schrieb Gerhard Schmidt: Hi Leute, wie tagge ich einen Straßenteil der durch ein Wasserschutzgebiet geht (gesperrt für Gefahrguttransporter). In Anlehnung an die bestehenden access restrictions würde ich da ein hmt=no taggen (hmt als englische Abkürzung für hazardous materials transportation, also Gefahrguttransport). Gruß Andreas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Generelle Fragen
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:19:46 +0200 Dimitri Junker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Du kannst die Straße, nachdem du sie mit Namen und Art der Straße getaggt hast auch am dem Node... Das ist eine andere Eingabeweise, das Problem mit den doppelt gerenderten Namen bleibt aber. Stimmt, das hatte ich wohl nicht beachtet, da ich in den wenigen Fällen, wo dies vorkam, wohl den Straßennamen nicht wusste -- open source for an open mind! use Linux and feel free! - Mein Weblog: http://der-eichi.de Themen unter anderem aus den Bereichen |Politik|, |Linux| und |freie Software| - Mein öffentlicher PGP Schlüssel: http://pgp.der-eichi.de | Leider konnte ich Ihren öffentlichen Schlüssel nicht finden, daher schreibe ich Ihnen | | unverschlüsselt und hoffe, dies ist akzeptabel | ! Freie Alternative zu Google Maps Co.: http://www.openstreetmap.org ! signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Flyer noch zu haben
Hallo, weil hier ja auch immer mal neue Leute auftauchen, die das noch nicht mitbekommen haben: Es gibt einen deutschsprachigen OpenStreetMap-Werbe- flyer, farbig, doppelseitig, zusammengefaltet A7-Format. Ungefaehr 6000 Stueck davon sind schon in der Weltgeschichte verteilt, 4000 habe ich hier noch, und verschicke die kostenlos an jeden, der welche haben will. Ihr muesst mir nur Eure Adresse schicken und sagen, ob ihr 100 oder 200 wollt. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Flyer noch zu haben
Hallo, weil hier ja auch immer mal neue Leute auftauchen, die das noch nicht mitbekommen haben: Es gibt einen deutschsprachigen OpenStreetMap-Werbe- flyer, farbig, doppelseitig, zusammengefaltet A7-Format. Ungefaehr 6000 Stueck davon sind schon in der Weltgeschichte verteilt, 4000 habe ich hier noch, und verschicke die kostenlos an jeden, der welche haben will. Ihr muesst mir nur Eure Adresse schicken und sagen, ob ihr 100 oder 200 wollt. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Anzeige von Supermärkten
Hallo, Nachdem ich die Karten auf mein GPS kopiert habe stellte ich fest ,dass keine Supermärkte angezeigt werden habe ich die falsch getaggt oder werden die nicht auf der GPS karte angezeigt ? Viele Grüße Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Linz
Hallo, Nachdem sich ein paar Interessierte für ein Treffen in der Gegen von Linz gefunden haben, gibt es nun unter http://www.doodle.ch/85z8bqyz6b3u4drc die Möglichkeit, über einen gemeinsamen Termin abzustimmen, damit auch möglichst viele teilnehmen können :-) Bisher haben sich 6 Personen gemeldet, und es hat sich herausgestellt, dass kommender Donnerstag (24.04.) um 19:00 Uhr ein guter Zeitpunkt ist. Unter dem Stichwort OpenStreetMap habe ich im Stadtbräu Josef (www.josef.co.at) einen Tisch reserviert (je nach Wetter draußen oder drinnen). Ihr findet es in der Landstraße 49, Ecke Bismarckstraße. Ich werde zusehen, ein paar Ausdrucke von Karten aus Linz und Umgebung mitzubringen und auf den Tisch zu legen, damit das Erkennen und später evtl. das Besprechen leichter fällt. In der InformationFreeway-Karte wird es bereits dargestellt, allerdings leider ohne Namen: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.2994082907614lon=14.291344808154566zoom=17layers=B000F000F . Wer Lust hat, ist natürlich herzlich eingeladen, spontan noch vorbei zu schauen! Viele Grüße, -- Holger Schoener ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] transparenter mapvergleich
hallo zusammen, das ganze findet ihr hier: http://sautter.com/map/ Christoph Wagner schrieb: Aber ist es möglich auch bei Klick auf das Plus zum Beispiel OSMarender einzustellen oder ist das sehr aufwändig? sollte eigentlich schon von anfang an möglich gewesen sein. einfach häkli setzen (und anderes ggf. aus) Holger Issle schrieb: Wenn Du noch die Google Terrain als Auswahl mit einbauen würdest? Das fände ich jetzt voll krass cool :-) ich habe heute in der mittagspause noch ein wenig an der seite gefeilt: * die hybridkarten sind rausgeflogen * die mapnik karte von chris ist rausgeflogen (landuse areas sind auch bei ihm nicht transparent) * map24 bleibt auch draussen * das physical karte von google ist jetzt drin * die cyclemap ist jetzt drin * maplint ist jetzt drin grüße frank ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern-Hacking-Workshop Karlsruhe 19.4.
hallo frederik, Frederik Ramm schrieb: die Erfassung von Hausnummern in unserer Datenbank ist wichtig fuer Geocodierung und Routing. Der Crowdsourcing-Ansatz ist ausserdem ideal geeignet, um an die Hausnummern-Informationen zu gelangen: Auch voellig Unbeteiligte ohne GPS koenn(t)en die Hausnummern in ihrer Gegend eingeben, oft sogar aus dem Kopf. Wir treffen uns am Samstag, den 19.4., ab 10:00 Uhr in den Geschaefts- raeumen der Geofabrik GmbH (Rueppurrer Str. 4, 76137 Kalrsruhe, koordinaten). Das Ende ist offen. Wir wuerden uns sehr freuen, auch Mitstreiter von ausserhalb Karlsruhes zu gewinnen und helfen auch gern bei der Vermittlung einer Unterkunft; mit Uebernachtungs- gaesten koennten wir am Sonntag morgen ja noch gemuetlich frueh- stuecken. hat das stattgefunden (hat mich ja stark interessiert, aber ich war leider schon anderweitig verplant)? gibt's da schon irgendwelche erkenntnisse? grüße frank -- think open: openthinclient.org - open source thin client solution ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] transparenter mapvergleich
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:18:41 +0200, Frank Sautter wrote: * das physical karte von google ist jetzt drin Das ist klasse. Danke. -- Ciao, Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51) 90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm 95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!) cu @ http://www.issle.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] transparenter mapvergleich
* das physical karte von google ist jetzt drin Das ist klasse. Danke. Finde ich auch. Danke. Bei 30% Transparenz stellt sich schon fast ein 3D-Effekt ein, wenn man Luftbilder nimmt.. Gruß, Stephan. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern-Hacking-Workshop Karlsruhe 19.4.
Frank Sautter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hat das stattgefunden jo gibt's da schon irgendwelche erkenntnisse? Ich war nicht bis zum Ende dabei, deshalb soll über Details besser Fred berichten. Wir haben schonmal experimentell einige Nummern erfasst und das sieht soweit auch ganz gut aus: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Desweiteren gibts im josm-latest ein Hausnummern Preset. Gruss Sven -- We just typed make (Stephen Lambrigh, Director of Server Product Marketing at Informix about porting their Database to Linux) /me is [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern-Hacking-Workshop Karlsruhe 19.4.
Hallo, Ich war nicht bis zum Ende dabei, deshalb soll über Details besser Fred berichten. Ja, also, nachdem der Sven weg war, hatten wir gesagt, wir treten unsere Ergebnisse erst mal nicht so breit und mappen erst mal ein paar Hausnummern in Karlsruhe ;-) aber da er's nun schon ausgeplaudert hat: Wir haben uns entschlossen, im Normalfall *weder* Relationen zu verwenden *noch* existierende Ways irgendwie zu benutzen. Relationen sind kompliziert, und gerade bei den Hausnummern wollen wir auch ausgesprochene Mapping-Anfaenger gewinnen. Alles, was an Ways dran getaggt wird, leidet unter der Tag-Inflation mit lauter left/right-Tags, und an dem Problem, dass es kaputt geht, wenn man Ways splittet, zusammenfuehrt, umdreht und so weiter. Stattdessen erfassen wir Hausnummern - im primitiven Fall - durch einen einzelnen Node (oder einen building=yes-Umriss), der mit der entspr. Hausnummer oder auch kompletten Adresse getaggt ist. Solche Nodes koennen also nach belieben links und rechts der Strasse liegen. Es ist moeglich, solche Nodes durch einen Hilfs-Way zu verbinden, dem man dann sagen kann, dass hier interpoliert werden soll. Das ist eine Loesung, die auch nicht ohne Probleme ist, aber sie erschien uns insgesamt am attraktivsten. Alles weitere auf der von Sven schon zitierten Wiki-Seite. Ich wuerde aber sagen, mach mal keiner die Pferde scheu, lasst uns das hier in Karlsruhe mal ausprobieren und damit Erfahrungen sammeln, und dann berichten wir, ob es was taugt. (Natuerlich kann jeder, der es selbst probieren will, auch mitmachen - Osmarender sollte die Hausnummern schon auf z17 zeichnen, und im JOSM gibt es einen neuen Preset dafuer.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tracktype-Button
Christoph Eckert schrieb: Moin, Sowas da: http://christeck.de/stuff/TracksOnlyPresets.xml ? Das ist schonmal cool, allerdings hab ich jetzt in der Leiste oben ein Haufen gleicher Symbole und sehe nicht, für welches Tag sie stehen. Wie kann ich das ändern? Gruß Jonas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Nächstes Nürnberg/Fürth/Erlangen OSM Treffen diesen Donnerstag!
Hi! Ich wollte nur kurz an das nächste OSM Treffen erinnern: * Ort: Stadtparkcafe http://spc.robilino.homepage.t-online.de/index.html auf der OSM-Karte http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=49.47277386437306lon=10.996813172901343zoom=17layers=B000F000F, Engelhardtstraße 20, 90762 Fürth * Datum: Do. 24.04.2008 * Uhrzeit: 19 Uhr Genaueres findet Ihr unter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/NFE-Treffen Gruß ULFL ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Das ideale GPS fürs Fahrrad :)
Sven Geggus schrieb: Kann da mal jemand seinen Senf dazugeben, ist diese Idee völlig idiotisch oder entstünde durch die Kombination von Navit mit einem TomTom Rider II nicht sogar die perfekte Maschine für OSM Mapping und/oder Navigation? Hier mein Senf:;-) http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Linux-Kernel-fuer-TomTom-Go-Navigator-veroeffentlicht--/meldung/52474 Eine schnelle Suche ergab, dass TomTom wohl bei einigen Geräten den Kernel veröffentlicht hat. Ob man aber andere Kernel laden kann müsste man schauen. Beste Grüße Darvari ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] data_stats.html
Christian H.-F. Henkel schrieb: Hallo Frederik, Am 21.04.2008 um 02:44 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Nun zeigt mir die Liste dort einen Eintrag von 4 bei mir an. Ein guter Freund, der ebenfalls in den letzten tagen aktiv war, hat aber eine 37 dort zu stehen. Wo nach bzw. wie wird das ganze gezählt? Die Zaehlung enthaelt nur Node-Aenderungen innerhalb des letzten Tags (der letzten 7 bzw. 28 Tage). Wenn Du also mal eben mit der Maus eine Autobahn greifst und einen Pixel nach links verschiebst, hast Du gleich 100 Aenderungen, oder wenn Du eine Kuestenlinie importierst, 10.000 ;-) schreibst Du dagegen muehsam an 50 Strassen in Deiner Stadt einen Namen dran, kommt das nicht in die Zaehlung. Das erklärt natürlich vieles. In der Tat ist diese Statistik dann im Grund nur ein grober Überblick darüber, wer überhaupt etwas getan hat, Aber was und wie viel, dann leider nicht. Gibt es denn noch eine andere Statistik bzw. Übersicht über die einzelnen Aktivitäten? Tschue...Christian Ich bin eigentlich ganz froh, dass diese Statistiken keine zu große Rolle hier im Projekt spielen. Denn wie Frederik erklärt hat ist es recht einfach sich in dieser Statistik auf einen der vorderen Plätze zu bringen, indem man völlig unsinnige oder schädliche Dinge tut. Und derjenige, der mit der OSM Karte durch eine Stadt läuft oder fährt um nachzuprüfen, ob alle Wege korrekt erfasst sind und ggf. am Abend noch ein paar Kleinigkeiten korrigiert, der landet auf den hinteren Rängen, obwohl er eine sehr wichtige Arbeit leistet. Insgesamt am interessantesten finde ich die Zahl der tatsächlich aktiven Teilnehmer im Projekt. (weltweit 3 registrierte Benutzer, 3300 aktive Benutzer im letzten Monat). Interessant würde ich auch finden wieviel aktive Benutzer wir in Deutschland haben (Anzahl user, die in D-Land im letzten Monat Nodes modifiziert haben), oder wie sich die Zahl der aktiven user in der letzten Zeit verändert hat. Auch interessant wäre, wieviel km Straßen jeden Monat hinzukommen. (vielleicht sogar aufgegliedert nach Typen wie Motorway, Trunk, Primary, Secondary, residential, tracks usw.) - hier wäre es ja u.U. möglich von irgendeinem statistischen Bundesamt oder vom Verkehrsministerium oder einer ähnlich Behörde herauszubekommen, wieviele Straßen km Autobahn, Bundesstraßen usw. existieren. (Bei Wohngebieten oder Feldwegen gibt es vermutlich sowieso keine zentrale Statistik mehr, da müsste man dann eher Navteq oder TeleAtlas fragen, wieviele km die in ihren Karten haben...) Eine Auswertung über die Straßenkilometer könnte man sich ja noch selbst zusammenbasteln, aber die Benutzerstatistik die muss doch vermutlich direkt auf dem Server ermittelt werden - da steht ja im Planet.osm nicht genug Info drin, oder? Gruß, Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Das ideale GPS fürs Fahrrad :)
Sven Geggus schrieb: Kann da mal jemand seinen Senf dazugeben, ist diese Idee völlig idiotisch oder entstünde durch die Kombination von Navit mit einem TomTom Rider II nicht sogar die perfekte Maschine für OSM Mapping und/oder Navigation? 1. noch mehr Senf - die GPL-Seiten von TomTom: http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl 2. und noch mehr Senf - OpenTom: http://www.opentom.org/Main_Page http://www.opentom.org/OpenTom:Community_Portal Das wäre übrigens nicht nur für's Fahhrad der Ideale Begleiter ;-) Darvari ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] data_stats.html
Am 21.04.2008 um 19:30 schrieb Thomas Hieber: Christian H.-F. Henkel schrieb: Hallo Frederik, Am 21.04.2008 um 02:44 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Nun zeigt mir die Liste dort einen Eintrag von 4 bei mir an. Ein guter Freund, der ebenfalls in den letzten tagen aktiv war, hat aber eine 37 dort zu stehen. Wo nach bzw. wie wird das ganze gezählt? Die Zaehlung enthaelt nur Node-Aenderungen innerhalb des letzten Tags (der letzten 7 bzw. 28 Tage). Wenn Du also mal eben mit der Maus eine Autobahn greifst und einen Pixel nach links verschiebst, hast Du gleich 100 Aenderungen, oder wenn Du eine Kuestenlinie importierst, 10.000 ;-) schreibst Du dagegen muehsam an 50 Strassen in Deiner Stadt einen Namen dran, kommt das nicht in die Zaehlung. Das erklärt natürlich vieles. In der Tat ist diese Statistik dann im Grund nur ein grober Überblick darüber, wer überhaupt etwas getan hat, Aber was und wie viel, dann leider nicht. Gibt es denn noch eine andere Statistik bzw. Übersicht über die einzelnen Aktivitäten? Tschue...Christian Ich bin eigentlich ganz froh, dass diese Statistiken keine zu große Rolle hier im Projekt spielen. Denn wie Frederik erklärt hat ist es recht einfach sich in dieser Statistik auf einen der vorderen Plätze zu bringen, indem man völlig unsinnige oder schädliche Dinge tut. Und derjenige, der mit der OSM Karte durch eine Stadt läuft oder fährt um nachzuprüfen, ob alle Wege korrekt erfasst sind und ggf. am Abend noch ein paar Kleinigkeiten korrigiert, der landet auf den hinteren Rängen, obwohl er eine sehr wichtige Arbeit leistet. genau das ist es, was das Problem darstellt. In so fern ist diese Statistik nicht sonderlich zu gebrauchen. Es geht auch nicht darum eine gute Platzierung zu erzielen, sondern nur darum eine gute Übersicht zu erhalten. Nun kann man lange diskutieren ob man so etwas braucht oder ob es Sinn macht. Sicher, aber ich bin halt ein Statistik-Freak :-) Gruss von der Spree...Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Generelle Fragen
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hallo, Eine weitere Sache ist mir noch aufgefallen, und zwar sehe ich beim editieren der Karte ziemlich viel leere Points. Haben die irgendeinen weiteren Sinn, gibt es Leute, die diese Points erstmal hinzufügen und dann später editieren? Oder sollte man diese Points am Besten löschen, als eine Art Aufräumarbeit? Erstmal: Sind die wirklich leer, oder haben sie vielleicht irgendwelche Tags, die Du bloss nicht in der Karte siehst? Falls wirklich leer, haben sie meistens keinen Sinn, aber einige Leute (z.B. auch ich) machen damit im Editor eine Notiz, dass es irgendwo noch weitergeht, also am Ende einer Strasse noch 3 einzelne Punkte, um anzuzeigen hier bin ich dann nicht mehr weitergefahren oder so. Bye Frederik Die Points sind wirklich leer, Potlach zeigt mir gar keine Informationen an, Merkaartor nur das created_by Tag. Liegen überwiegend auf der Autobahn diese Punkte, hab aber sonst auch schon einfach mitten im nirgendwo welche gesehen. lg, J. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Öffnungszeiten (hier: Zoo)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holla Kollegas, ich hab's am Sonntag endlich mal wieder geschafft, vor die Tür zu kommen, weil das Wetter einfach zu schön war. Dabei hab ich den Vogelpark von Olching gemappt. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.20827lon=11.32108zoom=17layers=0BFT Nun würde ich gerne auch die Öffnungszeiten mit angeben. Ich meine, sogar mal irgendwann etwas im Wiki oder in der Mailinglist gelesen zu haben, kann mich aber nicht mehr genau erinnern. Gibt es schon eine Möglichkeit, Öffnungszeiten anzugeben? Bsp.: Der Vogelpark hat an allen Sonn- und Feiertagen von April bis Oktober von 10-17 Uhr geöffnet. Gerade bei solch eingeschränkten Öffnungszeiten würde sich die Angabe lohnen, weil das Risiko, vor verschlossenem Tor zu stehen, recht groß ist. Liebe Grüße Ralf -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBSA0USjHU7t9XiJ++AQInzwf9G67uubo8s6yzW3yJjf1E2bzCGLLDNMbu eJMYK0KcTelFVxnZsxd6ba0+lzy5vLwCobraqNrlOA7ZG/G7GrB5XAqas/emNFql ubuuEt1nDA8SVwsSEfrMct5BGc6U48TE7r+7yDBcmiT5akYmFBcObBbWtmSilZT7 Ur+j5fGO0hnKKQKdGKPBZvykzkfzqOU8g77tg5OeJUmVf/mIhYRZEYkBHG+pJXQe DiHAaq0mA3CWgHD73v2JS7u7x5+dHQ0EjkAaMPOy4dSS60tUM0N/8c4QoVxLBGo3 5z84zfBcCx76Fe06TBu7yEt1fdCb8hJsVHvv3Bkxrhp2sm3ZK3Zipw== =giqR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Hausnummern in Osmarender
Ich weiss, dass das jetzt gerade die allererste Testphase für die Hausnummern ist, aber gerade darum: macht sie lieber nicht so fett im Renderer. Ich würde die Interpolationslinie weglassen (grafisch) und die Nummern in der jetzigen Größe (also sehr klein) in Schwarz ohne Hintergrund, also ohne den grauen Hintergrund, insbesondere ohne den RUNDEN Hintergrund, darstellen. Ansonsten sieht es für mich so aus, als könnte man jetzt mit der Erfassung beginnen und auch sonstigen POIs die Adresse mitgeben, auch wenn sich das Format nochmal ändert, je mehr drin ist, um so eher wird jemand ein Script zur Konvertierung schreiben... Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern in Osmarender
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Ich weiss, dass das jetzt gerade die allererste Testphase für die Hausnummern ist, aber gerade darum: macht sie lieber nicht so fett im Renderer. Ich würde die Interpolationslinie weglassen (grafisch) und die Nummern in der jetzigen Größe (also sehr klein) in Schwarz ohne Hintergrund, also ohne den grauen Hintergrund, insbesondere ohne den RUNDEN Hintergrund, darstellen. O ha, wo kann man das schon sehen? Gespannt, Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Öffnungszeiten (hier: Zoo)
Ralf Oltmanns schrieb: Nun würde ich gerne auch die Öffnungszeiten mit angeben. Bei allen einrichtungen, die eine webpage haben, würde ich keine öffnungszeiten angeben. Gerade bei solch eingeschränkten Öffnungszeiten würde sich die Angabe lohnen, weil das Risiko, vor verschlossenem Tor zu stehen, recht groß ist. Gerade in einem solchen fall #257;ndern sich die zeiten immer mal wieder. Da ist man mit einer URL besser bedient. -- Karl Eichwalder ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-es] Dos cuestiones
Os funciona a vosotros el plug-in "Validator"? Es que sola hacer bastante uso de l, pero desde que cambi el API a 0.5 siempre me lanza una excepcin y tengo de desactivarle. Por otro lado, cmo etiquetis vosotros a los parajes? Me refiero a los nombres de lugares que no son ncleos de poblacin (ejemplos: Alto de la Encina; Hoyo de Montecavado). Y los barrios de pueblos? place=hamlet o place=suburb Saludos, Emilio Gmez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Dos cuestiones
Perdón me he hecho la picha un lío, pero creo que ha quedado claro. En mi opinión: barrio: place=suburb Alto de la Encina y similares: place=locality Saludos, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Enviado el: lun 21/04/2008 12:20 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Dos cuestiones Hola, pues yo entiendo que hamlet y suburb son ambos núcleos de población (hamlet sería aldea y un suburb podría ser Vallecas en Madrid). Creo que lo que buscas es place=locality Aquí hay ejemplos en Europa y efectivamente son lugares concretos no habitados en un entorno rural: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:place%3Dlocality Lo del Validator no lo sé. Ahora que lo mencionas, tendré que mirarlo porque hace días que ni me fijo en él :-P Saludos, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Emilio Gómez Fdez. Enviado el: lun 21/04/2008 11:55 Para: Lista OpenStreetMap Español Asunto: [Talk-es] Dos cuestiones ¿Os funciona a vosotros el plug-in Validator? Es que solía hacer bastante uso de él, pero desde que cambió el API a 0.5 siempre me lanza una excepción y tengo de desactivarle. Por otro lado, ¿cómo etiquetáis vosotros a los parajes? Me refiero a los nombres de lugares que no son núcleos de población (ejemplos: Alto de la Encina; Hoyo de Montecavado). ¿Y los barrios de pueblos? place=hamlet o place=suburb Saludos, Emilio Gómez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] etiqueta antena de radio - repetidor
ok quizás la foto correspondería mas a man_made = communications_transponder y esto más al pirulí de Madrid por ejemplo, no? man_made = communications_tower Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio escribió: Hola, pues hay un par de propuestas, pero no sé si se renderizan o no: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features#Proposed_Features_-_Man_made Son: man_made = communications_tower man_made = communications_transponder o se podría poner simplemente un punto con man_made=tower, ya que su descripción también habla de telecoms. Lo de las zonas verdes en suelo no accesible o industrial también me mosquea a veces ¿landuse=industrial? ¿leisure=park + access=no o similar? Saludos Lucas *De:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de sergio sevillano *Enviado el:* lun 21/04/2008 12:49 *Para:* talk-es@openstreetmap.org *Asunto:* [Talk-es] etiqueta antena de radio - repetidor como se etiqueta esta antena de radio o repetidor: http://tkfiles.storage.live.com/y1p_mYdkXYiA1FnYc4jfLU1AbndxigquIopYe_y7iTE8oSq0GsnVtyDhuKeJxI7oYjFREnAS-DNW4s como un punto posición de la antena misma? con que etiqueta? y la parcela el área donde está? con que etiqueta? saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] pda Palm tungsten/E
quote who=sergio sevillano tengo una Palm tungsten/E que no uso para nada tiene tarjeta SD y conector a USB la puedo reciclar como navegador o traker. que le enchufo (gps)? Primero, mírate ésto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Making_Tracks_with_Homebrew-ware#Palm_OS Si es un *host* USB (es decir, que le puedes enchufar cosas, en vez de que la PDA es una cosa que le enchufas a un ordenador), prácticamente cualquier GPS USB te vale. Un saludo, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] etiquetado vías tipo highway
Hola a todos/as, a partir de las últimas modificaciones al programa para sacar estadísticas he sacado la relación de: tipo de vías highway+referencia+longitud y me he asustado por la gran cantidad de errores que aparecen sobre datos del 16/4/08... Los más llamativos son: 908 motorway(null) 1836.825598 kms 1199trunk (null) 2014.030066 kms 2540primary (null) 3474.483814 kms 4330secondary (null) 4560.808158 kms 3605tertiary(null) 2501.348490 kms O sea, más de 14300 km de carreteras que tenemos sin referencia (aunque muchas de ellas puedan estar en el nombre) ... y me gustaría hacer algo para corregirlo porque o hacemos ahora algo o cada vez será peor ¿se os ocurre algo? ¿se puede representar gráficamente un objeto a partir de su identificador? ... Si, lo primero que voy a hacer es sacar la etiqueta name y ver si llego a algo... Saludos, ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] etiquetado vías tipo highway
Estos son los motorway sin ref ni nombre. Algunos se pueden rescatar pues usan int_ref, nat_ref y otras variantes... pero parece duro... Saludos, El 21/04/08, Celso González [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 03:07:03PM +0200, Miguel Blanco wrote: Hola a todos/as, a partir de las últimas modificaciones al programa para sacar estadísticas he sacado la relación de: tipo de vías highway+referencia+longitud y me he asustado por la gran cantidad de errores que aparecen sobre datos del 16/4/08... Los más llamativos son: 908 motorway(null) 1836.825598 kms 1199 trunk (null) 2014.030066 kms 2540 primary (null) 3474.483814 kms 4330 secondary (null) 4560.808158 kms 3605 tertiary(null) 2501.348490 kms O sea, más de 14300 km de carreteras que tenemos sin referencia (aunque muchas de ellas puedan estar en el nombre) ... y me gustaría hacer algo para corregirlo porque o hacemos ahora algo o cada vez será peor ¿se os ocurre algo? Puede que tengamos algunas de ellas urbanas y por eso no tienen ref Aún así son muchísimos kilómetros. ¿se puede representar gráficamente un objeto a partir de su identificador? Usando osmxapi puedes bajar un osm usando el name del objeto y pegarle un ojo en el josm. -- Celso González (PerroVerd) http://mitago.net ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4049815 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4060050 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4060052 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4266492 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4295699 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4297461 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4348417 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4348979 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4349065 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4349208 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4349446 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4349451 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4380315 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4398925 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4398926 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4522069 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4522110 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4525416 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4525417 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4525419 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4525420 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4525422 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4526199 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4526383 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4526384 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4591540 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4593002 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4600598 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4639544 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4639632 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4681789 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4681828 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4681829 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4681830 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4681831 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4681832 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4684119 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4746394 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4784222 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4784223 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4795621 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4822486 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4825866 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4825868 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4825958 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4825960 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4825970 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4826016 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4827975 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4827976 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4842440 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4844476 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4844590 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4844591 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4844592 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4844593 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4845105 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4846524 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853179 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853348 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853349 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853372 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853383 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853384 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853385 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4853386 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4856135 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4856384 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4861150 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/4861729
Re: [Talk-es] pda Palm tungsten/E
sergio sevillano escribió: tengo una Palm tungsten/E que no uso para nada tiene tarjeta SD y conector a USB la puedo reciclar como navegador o traker. que le enchufo (gps)? Mi primer receptor GPS era tipo ratón, lo compré hace unos cuatro años y venía con una Tungsten E y un soporte para enchufar en el coche. El programa de navegación se llamaba Mapsonic que más tarde creo bautizaron simplemente como Via Michelin. Incluía una version para Mac y Windows de Mapstore que permitía reducir los mapas a introducir en la Palm de modo que no ocupen más de lo necesario. -- Saludos, Alfredo Soro. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Article dans la presse
Le 20/04/08, sylvain letuffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Vraiment bravo ! j'ai appris plein de truc ;-) Merci. L'histoire des easter eggs dans osm me semble plus que louche, ça sent le poisson ! Oui oui, j'étais au courant que c'était sorti le 1er avril, mais je trouvais ça génial de sortir cette annonce un 1er avril ... Comme ça, le doute plane et personne ne sait vraiment s'il y en a ou pas ... Qu'il y en ait ou pas, l'argument en faveur de la maturité du projet me semblait justifié, ne serait-ce que par le fait qu'ils ont pensé à ajouter des Easter Eggs. Tu pourrais par exemple donner une idée de l'avancement du projet pour les routes CF outils de stats : http://pedrov.kwain.net/osmstats/index.php?page=1 et les dernières informations ( voir liste il y a 2 semaines ) qui semble indiquer un état d'avancement de 15% sur la france entière. Yes, c'est une bonne idée. Je vais voir ce que je peux faire (j'ai déja dépassé mon quota de caractères dans l'article je crois !) PS: capture d'écran du lac du bourget ? chemin de malpassant ? serais-tu actif en savoie ? Tout à fait ! On est même voisins à moins d'un km ... Et nous sommes désormais 5 dans la proche région de Chambéry ... ( mon pseudo osm est sly ) Enchanté ;-) http://openstreetmap.org/user/vdb ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Activité du weekend
Il semble que quelqu'un se soit amusé à marquer la zone autour de Toulouse où l'imagerie Yahoo! est bonne. http://hexagone.openstreetmap.fr/osmtoday/archives/osmtoday-20080421.png Je sais ce que vous en pensez. Perso je suis pas très très convaincu de l'utilité de tout ça mais bon :) On notera aussi qu'on voit bien que c'est le weekend, il y'a beaucoup plus d'activité que le reste de la semaine ! Renaud. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetmap refuse les .gpx de mon geonaute keymaze 300.
Bonjour D'après le fichier gpx qui a été donné en pièce jointe, je peux affirmer qu'un vrai parseur XML va refuser le fichier. En effet, la *première ligne* d'un fichier xml doit contenir le header xml : ?xml version=1.0?. Dans le fichier donné en pièce jointe, cette ligne se trouve à la 3ème ligne ... -- Julien ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Copyright OpenStreetMap
Bonjour, j'ai une question qui m'interroge. qqun ou qqch a mappé une route dans le même coin que moi, mais d'après le copyright, ce serait OpenStreetMap. j'avoue que je ne comprend pas trop, serait ce le nom d'un utilisateur ou bien fait par un script ou autre??? avez vous une idée? c par ici http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.11156173138018lon=1.2420252678423597zoom=17layers=0B00F000F ++ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Article dans la presse
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:13 +0200, François Van Der Biest wrote: N'hésitez pas à le relire, et m'envoyer vos avis et corrections ! * planet.osm est plus pres des 90Go maintenant ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetmap refuse les .gpx de mon geonaute keymaze 300.
J'avais aussi remarqué ça quand je cherchais un GPS DataLogger à pas trop cher. Y'a bien une page GPS_Reviews sur le wiki mais je n'ai pas fait attention si y'avait une section GPS a éviter dedans, ca pourrait être intéressant pour les nouveaux qui connaissent pas trop le matériel. 2008/4/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Selon Julien Langlois [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ha un indice intéressant. je vais voir ça. Cela dit, je viens de constatter que le keymaze 200 décathlon n'est vraiment, mais alors vraiment pas du tout adapter à OSM. En effet, avec sa mémoire de 300points, c'était pas déjà facile, mais je viens de découvrire qu'au 301ième point, bah il ne met pas stop, il continue en ne gardant que un sous ensemble de point (genre il prends les 300 premiers point toutes les seconds, et au 301ième, il n'en garde que 1 sur 2 et prends les points suivant toutes les deux secondes jusqu'au 600ième et ainsi de suite. Si on le laisse tourner comme ça une heure (genre pour mapper une départementale dans les sévènes), bah ça donne un point tous les 100m, donc n'importe quoi (car ça tortillonne sec là bas). Bref, mes dernière traces sont parties à la poubelle. :-( le Keymaze 300 est conçu pour le sport et absolument rien d'autre (sauf si on le bidouille hardware pour rajouter une carte micro SD biensur) Bonjour D'après le fichier gpx qui a été donné en pièce jointe, je peux affirmer qu'un vrai parseur XML va refuser le fichier. En effet, la *première ligne* d'un fichier xml doit contenir le header xml : ?xml version=1.0?. Dans le fichier donné en pièce jointe, cette ligne se trouve à la 3ème ligne ... -- Julien ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] rue piétonne à sens unique
Quand j'étais gamin j'adorais prendre ces sens uniques pour les piétons à l'envers :) Renaud. 2008/4/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Selon Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 13:49 +0200, Olivier LAHAYE wrote: Je ne suis pas non plus choqué, bien au contraire, c'est même courant d'avoir des rues piétonnes en sens unique. En effet, il existe souvent des exceptions (genre livraison autorisées la nuit, accès pour les voitures des handicapés (il y en a plein à Luxembourg cille)). À Metz, la rue Cerpenoise est piétonne à sens unique car les bus et livreurs y sont autorisés (dans un sens seulement ;-)). Bref, oneway rules. ah... j'avais cru comprendre que la rue était a sens unique pour les piétons !! Ça existe aussi. Ça s'appelle un trotoir roulant (genre celui du métro de montparnasse ou celui du parc disney-land). Bon les exemples que je cite ne sont pas parfaits, car le trottoir existe pour les deux sens de déplacement, mais on peut très bien imaginer qu'il n'existe que dans un sens auquel cas, ça deviens un chemin piéton à sens unique. Certes tout ceci est bien capillo-tracté, mais bon, ça peut exister... ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bonjour la liste !
Hello :-) * Comment tagguer un plot en béton (ou de grosses pierres) au milieu d'une route, bloquant le passage des voitures en ce point (mais elles peuvent aller jusqu'à ce point des 2 côtés) Je les taggue avec barrier=bollard (dans les proposed features). Exemple : barrier=bollard foot=yes bicycle=yes ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Bonjour la liste !
Salut à tous-te-s ! Comme promis donc, la rapide présentation en bonne et due forme :-) Je sévis sur osm depuis décembre, à vélo avec un datalogger : -- En Normandie * Flers (61) et ses alentours http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.74291762629142lon=-0.5497277933632291zoom=13layers=B000F000F * Des bouts de Caen (14) http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.74291762629142lon=-0.5497277933632291zoom=13layers=B000F000F --En Bretagne * Saint-Laurent de la mer (22) http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.53509277569982lon=-2.7338608499565424zoom=15layers=B000F000F Je compte, outre le travail autour de Caen, et selon mon temps libre, essayer d'enrichir le bocage ornais, notamment ses divers patelins paumés... du genre qui ne sont que rarement faits dans osm mais qui se bouclent pourtant en 1h. Je serais ravi de participer à une/des mapping parties afin de mettre un peu d'humain dans toutes ces données :-). (d'ailleurs une mapping-party sur Caen ne saurait tarder !!) Sinon quelques questions me viennent-à l'esprit, désolé si elles ont déjà été discutées... * Prendre des noms de rues et lieux-dits (et seulement les noms) sur le cadastre (cadastre.gouv.fr) ou un PLU est-ce enfreindre la propriété intellectuelle ? * En prenant l'exemple d'une mairie qui autoriserait l'utilisation de photos aériennes ou de plan dont elle détient les droits, cette autorisation peut-elle prendre chacune de ces formes... Et chacune de ces déclarations (écrites et signées) suffit-elle ? : 1. La mairie de XXX publie son document sous cc-by-sa 2. « La mairie XXX autorise l'utilisation du document XXX à fin de contribution projet openstreetmap » 3. « La mairie XXX autorise M. XXX à utiliser le document XXX à fin de contribution au projet openstreetmap » * Faut-il utiliser le tag highway=residential (non je déconne, ne répondez pas à celle-ci hein ;-) * Comment tagguer un plot en béton (ou de grosses pierres) au milieu d'une route, bloquant le passage des voitures en ce point (mais elles peuvent aller jusqu'à ce point des 2 côtés) * Avez-vous une idée (date) de quand les relations seront vraiment officialisés et utilisables (hormis multipolygon) ? Merci d'avance et bonne journée ! Jocelyn ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bonjour la liste !
Bonjour a tous, J'avais la même configuration mais avec des barrières en bois, alors j'ai mis : access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes Jean-Yves 2008/4/21 Olivier Boudet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello :-) * Comment tagguer un plot en béton (ou de grosses pierres) au milieu d'une route, bloquant le passage des voitures en ce point (mais elles peuvent aller jusqu'à ce point des 2 côtés) Je les taggue avec barrier=bollard (dans les proposed features). Exemple : barrier=bollard foot=yes bicycle=yes ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bonjour la liste !
Le 21/04/08, Delalande Jocelyn[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : 1. La mairie de XXX publie son document sous cc-by-sa 2. « La mairie XXX autorise l'utilisation du document XXX à fin de contribution projet openstreetmap » 3. « La mairie XXX autorise M. XXX à utiliser le document XXX à fin de contribution au projet openstreetmap » Euhh là, ça compile pas à moins que M le maire ait le nom de sa commune (prédestiné au métier ...). Mais après c'est un peu mégalo de faire des documents qui s'appelle comme lui. Bon ok . je sors :D -- Julien ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Activité du weekend
Pour le rendu ça dépend comment tu as tagger la way en question. A priori il n'y a pour l'instant pas de tags dédiés donc pas de rendu. Si je me rappelle bien de la discussion sur talk, l'avis était en gros que ça pourrait être intéressant d'avoir ce type de données mais qu'il serait pas mal de pouvoir mettre ça limite dans une autre db. En fait d'avoir des sortes de calques pour tout ce qui est metadata. Renaud. On 4/21/08, Marc Quinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/21 Renaud Martinet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oula loin de moi l'idée de dire que c'est mal ou quoi que ce soit ! Ca m'a juste fait marrer de voir ça sur le rendu de l'activité d'hier. Je pensais pas que la zone était si grande même... Après que je sois pas convaincu de l'utilité du truc n'est pas très important. Si toi tu penses que c'est important fais-le je n'y vois aucun problème. Quand je dis que quelqu'un s'était amusé à faire ça c'était plus dans le sens que ça a dû te prendre du temps. Bref je pensais pas à mal, je voulais juste montrer qu'on peut voir des trucs sympas sur le rendu et faire partager mon avis sur le truc en question. Surtout qu'il y a eu un thread à ce sujet sur talk il n'y a pas très longtemps. si tu peux nous faire un résumé ou alors nous donner un lien sur ce sujet ce serait sympa. ça m'a échappé. Sinon, c'est plutôt rapide a réaliser. Mais je n'arrive pas a le faire visualiser sur la carte (en rendu réel), sauf dans des petites zones tres parcellaires. Du coup, j'ai essayé ce WE d'ajouter des points de manière plus dense afin d'inciter le moteur de rendu a afficher ces frontières. Ca n'a pas l'air de passer plus. D'ailleurs depuis que j'ai fait ces modifications, plus rien n'apparait. Personne n'a encore fait des petits dessins sur la carte ? genre laisser son nom, son prénom, ou toute autre marque personnalisée. Tant que c'est dans une zone vierge, c'est plutot sympathique. Mais lorsque les publicités pour le viagra viendront s'immiscer dans OSM, une page sera tournée, et nous devrons prendre des mesures coercitives. En attendant ca me turlupine cette idée ... Hum, tient, je pense a des slogans en rapport avec l'actualité : - un truc sur les OGM, - ou encore les jeux olympiques et la polémique associée. J'espère que je ne vais pas susciter de mauvaises idées. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetmap refuse les .gpx de mon geonaute keymaze 300.
Salut, Le 26/03/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Quoting Renaud Martinet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A tout hazard, n'y aurait'il pas un gpx-timestamp-faker qui traine quelque part? (j'ai la date de départ et le temps entre 2 points). Je travaille sur le logiciel libre du nom de Viking. Il s'agit d'un éditeur de données GPS. Nous sommes quelques uns à l'utiliser pour OSM et, du coup, nous y avons ajouter, entre autre, la possibilité d'uploader directement sur OSM. Nous avons aussi pris en compte le problème que tu cites. Ainsi, lors de l'upload vers OSM, Viking décide de combler les champs élévation et timestamp. Bonne nouvelle pour toi, un contributeur a aussi fait une version Windows. Plus d'info : - http://viking.sf.net/ - http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=83870use_mirror=switchfilename=viking-0.9.4_win.zip21333293 N'hésites pas à me demander si tu as besoin de support, voire directement sur la mailing-list, elle est plutôt réactive. -- Guilhem BONNEFILLE -=- #UIN: 15146515 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- http://nathguil.free.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Some results from surrey mapping party
If there are any bits that you know are unfinished, it might be worth recording them in case someone wants to visit the area later and help with mapping: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Southwest_Surrey_Mapping_Party#TODO p.s. does the wiki seem like a better place for this sort of information than 'edge of known universe' tags? On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:24 PM, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done to everyone involved in the southwest surrey mapping party -- we now offer a useful map to anyone needing a walk, a bike ride, or a country pub in an area of countryside which is accessible to many people. http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.164lon=-0.693zoom=13 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Some results from surrey mapping party
OJ W wrote: Well done to everyone involved in the southwest surrey mapping party -- we now offer a useful map to anyone needing a walk, a bike ride, or a country pub in an area of countryside which is accessible to many people Well done indeed -- looks good. Sorry I couldn't join you in the end -- family responsibilities prevented me. I've added Puttenham Common to the To-do list, and I'll be able to fill bits in over the course of the summer, as I regularly go for walks there. Advice on mapping the outlines of wooded areas gratefully received. J. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] Great Lakes - coastlines / lakes
Jason Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SteveC wrote: The great lakes are missing off the map! Anyone here able to import them or something magically? If not I'll turn over to the dev/talk list but I thought people here might be interested themselves :-) They show up on osmarender, I haven't checked the data yet but its possible they are entered as natural=water instead of coastline. I'll take a look at this over lunch if no one else gets to it first. They are coastlines. They show up in osmarender because osmarender actually uses OSM data to render coastlines. Mapnik uses data that was imported from another source and I guess this did not contain the great lakes. Matthias ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
