Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Arlindo Pereira]

Great move indeed. I for instance just invited a friend of mine that
happens to be a 4sq super-user to edit OSM. He loves 4sq and never cared
too much for OSM, now he'll probably give us a little love =)

Cheers,
Arlindo "Nighto" Pereira

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Johan C  wrote:

> Great move by Foursquare. I wouldn't mind to see more interaction between
> Foursquare and OSM. For instance, it's quite easy to put the entrance of
> POI's in OSM, which can be handy in the Foursquare app to navigate to that
> entrance (or for example the nearby parking lot).
>
> Cheers, Johan
>
>
> 2013/8/2 Alex Barth 
>
>> > The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly
>> licensed to osm. I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI
>> data in foursquare that was not already present in some format in osm. This
>> may be a 'country' facet since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly
>> dumping foursqaure data into the UK would hit a substantial number of
>> existing locations? In other countries this may not be the case and may be
>> worth the exercise if more detailed material is not otherwise available?
>>
>> Exactly, in some countries the map is sparser so there's going to be more
>> incentives to jump in and improve. E. g. it will be interesting to keep an
>> eye on Brazil here.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:
>>
>>> Alex Barth wrote:
>>>
 They are being signed up directly to OSM ...

 Any user coming from Foursquare has to actually create their own account
 manually if they don't have one yet, just like anyone else. (Not sure
 if this is
 what you were getting at.)

>>>
>>> That was what I was saying poorly :)
>>> The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly licensed
>>> to osm. I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI data in
>>> foursquare that was not already present in some format in osm. This may be
>>> a 'country' facet since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly dumping
>>> foursqaure data into the UK would hit a substantial number of existing
>>> locations? In other countries this may not be the case and may be worth the
>>> exercise if more detailed material is not otherwise available?
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Johan C]

Great move by Foursquare. I wouldn't mind to see more interaction between
Foursquare and OSM. For instance, it's quite easy to put the entrance of
POI's in OSM, which can be handy in the Foursquare app to navigate to that
entrance (or for example the nearby parking lot).

Cheers, Johan


2013/8/2 Alex Barth 

> > The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly licensed
> to osm. I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI data in
> foursquare that was not already present in some format in osm. This may be
> a 'country' facet since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly dumping
> foursqaure data into the UK would hit a substantial number of existing
> locations? In other countries this may not be the case and may be worth the
> exercise if more detailed material is not otherwise available?
>
> Exactly, in some countries the map is sparser so there's going to be more
> incentives to jump in and improve. E. g. it will be interesting to keep an
> eye on Brazil here.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:
>
>> Alex Barth wrote:
>>
>>> They are being signed up directly to OSM ...
>>>
>>> Any user coming from Foursquare has to actually create their own account
>>> manually if they don't have one yet, just like anyone else. (Not sure if
>>> this is
>>> what you were getting at.)
>>>
>>
>> That was what I was saying poorly :)
>> The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly licensed
>> to osm. I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI data in
>> foursquare that was not already present in some format in osm. This may be
>> a 'country' facet since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly dumping
>> foursqaure data into the UK would hit a substantial number of existing
>> locations? In other countries this may not be the case and may be worth the
>> exercise if more detailed material is not otherwise available?
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Alex Barth]

> The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly licensed
to osm. I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI data in
foursquare that was not already present in some format in osm. This may be
a 'country' facet since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly dumping
foursqaure data into the UK would hit a substantial number of existing
locations? In other countries this may not be the case and may be worth the
exercise if more detailed material is not otherwise available?

Exactly, in some countries the map is sparser so there's going to be more
incentives to jump in and improve. E. g. it will be interesting to keep an
eye on Brazil here.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:

> Alex Barth wrote:
>
>> They are being signed up directly to OSM ...
>>
>> Any user coming from Foursquare has to actually create their own account
>> manually if they don't have one yet, just like anyone else. (Not sure if
>> this is
>> what you were getting at.)
>>
>
> That was what I was saying poorly :)
> The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly licensed
> to osm. I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI data in
> foursquare that was not already present in some format in osm. This may be
> a 'country' facet since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly dumping
> foursqaure data into the UK would hit a substantial number of existing
> locations? In other countries this may not be the case and may be worth the
> exercise if more detailed material is not otherwise available?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Lester Caine]

Alex Barth wrote:

They are being signed up directly to OSM ...

Any user coming from Foursquare has to actually create their own account
manually if they don't have one yet, just like anyone else. (Not sure if this is
what you were getting at.)


That was what I was saying poorly :)
The main point was that the material 'added' to osm is properly licensed to osm. 
I'd not considered that there would be substantial POI data in foursquare that 
was not already present in some format in osm. This may be a 'country' facet 
since I'm only looking at UK data and certainly dumping foursqaure data into the 
UK would hit a substantial number of existing locations? In other countries this 
may not be the case and may be worth the exercise if more detailed material is 
not otherwise available?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Alex Barth]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Lester Caine  wrote:

> But we don't want the 'extras' that foursquare add actually on the map.
> The locations they are directing to need to be on the map and that should
> be already available data? What am I missing here :) All of the searches
> I've pulled up appear in the base map.


This is really all about Foursquare users improving the base map where they
find for instance streets, street name, buildings, etc. off. This "slide"
into OpenStreetMap from Foursquare ideally functions as a gateway drug to
hook folks on mapping. The target audience is very interesting: Foursquare
Superusers are already very engaged with an online data platform and have a
keen sense of creating order (that's their role) - they're almost mappers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Alex Barth]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Lester Caine  wrote:

> They are being signed up directly to OSM ...


Any user coming from Foursquare has to actually create their own account
manually if they don't have one yet, just like anyone else. (Not sure if
this is what you were getting at.)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Stefan Keller]

Hi Lester

I think, an initial approach would be, that foursquare would offer a
subset of their data to OSM with the purpose that mappers can
integrate this data into OSM.
So the primary POI will be clean OSM data by definition.
Obviously there could be duplicates which would be an interesting
challenge to sort from the original foursquare database out before
offering this to as list to OSM.

Yours, Stefan


2013/8/2 Lester Caine :
> Kathleen Danielson wrote:
>>
>> Even though this thread isn't about bringing foursquare data into OSM (I
>> have no
>> idea what, if any, conversations around that have been held), we should
>> definitely take note that there is an almost parallel community of
>> extremely
>> like-minded editors out there, and we would be lucky to have them join our
>> community. We should engage with them and share knowledge!
>
>
> When adding a new POI location, my own starting point is to establish the
> correct position on OSM, and add the address details so that routing can
> find the postcode, and then use the location as a tag for the third party
> links. If we promote this process with the likes of foursquare, then the
> primary POI will be clean OSM data? It does not matter where in the world
> you are ...
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[Lester Caine]

Kathleen Danielson wrote:

Even though this thread isn't about bringing foursquare data into OSM (I have no
idea what, if any, conversations around that have been held), we should
definitely take note that there is an almost parallel community of extremely
like-minded editors out there, and we would be lucky to have them join our
community. We should engage with them and share knowledge!


When adding a new POI location, my own starting point is to establish the 
correct position on OSM, and add the address details so that routing can find 
the postcode, and then use the location as a tag for the third party links. If 
we promote this process with the likes of foursquare, then the primary POI will 
be clean OSM data? It does not matter where in the world you are ...


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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[SomeoneElse]

On 02/08/2013 18:05, Stefan Keller wrote:

* User puts a marker on a Google map? Then it's not usable.

Do you use foursquare? They switched to osm.



FWIW, the FourSquare application on at least one phone* displays 
locations in the native "Maps" application, data from which is most 
certainly not suitable for OSM.  The in-app thumbnail is from somewhere 
else; it may be OSM but if so it's at least a year out of date.


Cheers,
Andy

* Blackberry Z10


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[Kathleen Danielson]

>
> * Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about
> indoor locations the coordinate is usually off by hundreds of meters. I
> would vote not to use it.
>
> One strength of OSM is that data is usually more accurate then other
> sources. We should not give away this by importing data from unreliable
> sources.
>

This is actually where the foursquare superusers come in. You can read more
about what a 4sq superuser
is,
but they take on the responsibility of keeping the foursquare database
clean, much in the same way that we do for OSM. Location and detail
accuracy is important to that group.

Mind you, this is actually an exclusive group of foursquare users. My
understanding is that they have to apply or be invited.

Even though this thread isn't about bringing foursquare data into OSM (I
have no idea what, if any, conversations around that have been held), we
should definitely take note that there is an almost parallel community of
extremely like-minded editors out there, and we would be lucky to have them
join our community. We should engage with them and share knowledge!


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote:

> Joseph Reeves writes:
>
>  Someone may have checked into a bakery on FourSquare at lat=34.716286 &
>> lon=36.727005. This would then be a location that exists in FourSquare's
>> DB, but not in the OpenStreetMap base mapping that FourSquare use in their
>> website. We cannot, for obvious reasons, send people to Syria to map
>> bakeries, so sources such as FourSquare may be potentially very useful.
>>
>
> How accurate is the coordinate you mention? How does FourSquare get it?
> * User puts a marker on a Google map? Then it's not usable.
> * User puts a marker on OSM base map? Then the user can do the same in iD
> to create the POI
> * Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about
> indoor locations the coordinate is usually off by hundreds of meters. I
> would vote not to use it.
>
> One strength of OSM is that data is usually more accurate then other
> sources. We should not give away this by importing data from unreliable
> sources.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Stefan Keller]

Hi Stephan

You wrote:
> * User puts a marker on a Google map? Then it's not usable.

Do you use foursquare? They switched to osm.

> * User puts a marker on OSM base map? Then the user can do the same in iD to
> create the POI

The majority of foursquare users wont switch to OSM - the superusers
weblink is only a first though promising step.

> * Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about
> indoor locations

No; GPS (like when you are in Syria) will still show you at least the
position of the entry of the bakery.

So the idea of leveraging OSM data through ressources like the
gamified app foursquare, still is a source of information I would'nt
ignore.

Yours, Stefan


2013/8/2 Stephan Knauss :
> Joseph Reeves writes:
>
>> Someone may have checked into a bakery on FourSquare at lat=34.716286 &
>> lon=36.727005. This would then be a location that exists in FourSquare's
>> DB, but not in the OpenStreetMap base mapping that FourSquare use in their
>> website. We cannot, for obvious reasons, send people to Syria to map
>> bakeries, so sources such as FourSquare may be potentially very useful.
>
>
> How accurate is the coordinate you mention? How does FourSquare get it?
> * User puts a marker on a Google map? Then it's not usable.
> * User puts a marker on OSM base map? Then the user can do the same in iD to
> create the POI
> * Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about
> indoor locations the coordinate is usually off by hundreds of meters. I
> would vote not to use it.
>
> One strength of OSM is that data is usually more accurate then other
> sources. We should not give away this by importing data from unreliable
> sources.
>
> Stephan
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Stephan Knauss]

Joseph Reeves writes:


Someone may have checked into a bakery on FourSquare at lat=34.716286 &
lon=36.727005. This would then be a location that exists in FourSquare's
DB, but not in the OpenStreetMap base mapping that FourSquare use in their
website. We cannot, for obvious reasons, send people to Syria to map
bakeries, so sources such as FourSquare may be potentially very useful.


How accurate is the coordinate you mention? How does FourSquare get it?
* User puts a marker on a Google map? Then it's not usable.
* User puts a marker on OSM base map? Then the user can do the same in iD  
to create the POI
* Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about  
indoor locations the coordinate is usually off by hundreds of meters. I  
would vote not to use it.


One strength of OSM is that data is usually more accurate then other  
sources. We should not give away this by importing data from unreliable  
sources.


Stephan

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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Joseph Reeves]

>What am I missing here

A use case may be in Syria. Aid agencies want to know, for example, the
location of bakeries in Syria because these have been targeted during the
ongoing violence over.

Someone may have checked into a bakery on FourSquare at lat=34.716286 &
lon=36.727005. This would then be a location that exists in FourSquare's
DB, but not in the OpenStreetMap base mapping that FourSquare use in their
website. We cannot, for obvious reasons, send people to Syria to map
bakeries, so sources such as FourSquare may be potentially very useful.

The number of locations that exist within FourSquare, but not within OSM,
are numerous. This is especially true outside of Western Europe or the US.

Joseph





On 2 August 2013 14:08, Lester Caine  wrote:

> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>> is there a way to share foursqure data with osm? Do foursquare
>> users
>> release all
>> right to entered data to forusquare? If so, then foursquare could
>> (if they
>> decided so) release that data to OSM community, right?
>>
>
>  ?
>> "which leads directly to OpenStreetMap’s web editor at the right
>> location,
>> where they can join OSM and make updates"
>> They are being signed up directly to OSM ...
>>
>
>  yes, but Valent's question is still interesting: it would be great to have
>> foursquares data released under ODbL or provided with explicit permission
>> to
>> import into osm (but I doubt they are planning to do so in the next time,
>> in the
>> end besides their community the data is their asset).
>>
>
> But we don't want the 'extras' that foursquare add actually on the map.
> The locations they are directing to need to be on the map and that should
> be already available data? What am I missing here :) All of the searches
> I've pulled up appear in the base map. Foursquare are the sort of third
> party use that dovetails in nicely - not that I actually use it ...
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[Lester Caine]

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

is there a way to share foursqure data with osm? Do foursquare users
release all
right to entered data to forusquare? If so, then foursquare could (if 
they
decided so) release that data to OSM community, right?



?
"which leads directly to OpenStreetMap’s web editor at the right location,
where they can join OSM and make updates"
They are being signed up directly to OSM ...



yes, but Valent's question is still interesting: it would be great to have
foursquares data released under ODbL or provided with explicit permission to
import into osm (but I doubt they are planning to do so in the next time, in the
end besides their community the data is their asset).


But we don't want the 'extras' that foursquare add actually on the map. The 
locations they are directing to need to be on the map and that should be already 
available data? What am I missing here :) All of the searches I've pulled up 
appear in the base map. Foursquare are the sort of third party use that 
dovetails in nicely - not that I actually use it ...


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[Stefan Keller]

Hi

I really doubt that foursquare will release their data "for free". See
eg. this blog [1].
But you'll never find out until somebody asks directly...

Yours, S.

[1] 
http://apb.directionsmag.com/entry/foursquare-news-user-can-edit-osm-maps-and-get-more-ads/342939

2013/8/2 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>
>
> 2013/8/2 Lester Caine 
>>
>> valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> is there a way to share foursqure data with osm? Do foursquare users
>>> release all
>>> right to entered data to forusquare? If so, then foursquare could (if
>>> they
>>> decided so) release that data to OSM community, right?
>>
>>
>> ?
>> "which leads directly to OpenStreetMap’s web editor at the right location,
>> where they can join OSM and make updates"
>> They are being signed up directly to OSM ...
>>
>
>
> yes, but Valent's question is still interesting: it would be great to have
> foursquares data released under ODbL or provided with explicit permission to
> import into osm (but I doubt they are planning to do so in the next time, in
> the end besides their community the data is their asset).
>
> cheers,
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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/8/2 Lester Caine 

> valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> is there a way to share foursqure data with osm? Do foursquare users
>> release all
>> right to entered data to forusquare? If so, then foursquare could (if they
>> decided so) release that data to OSM community, right?
>>
>
> ?
> "which leads directly to OpenStreetMap’s web editor at the right location,
> where they can join OSM and make updates"
> They are being signed up directly to OSM ...
>
>

yes, but Valent's question is still interesting: it would be great to have
foursquares data released under ODbL or provided with explicit permission
to import into osm (but I doubt they are planning to do so in the next
time, in the end besides their community the data is their asset).

cheers,
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[Lester Caine]

valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:

is there a way to share foursqure data with osm? Do foursquare users release all
right to entered data to forusquare? If so, then foursquare could (if they
decided so) release that data to OSM community, right?


?
"which leads directly to OpenStreetMap’s web editor at the right location, where 
they can join OSM and make updates"

They are being signed up directly to OSM ...

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[valent.turko...@gmail.com]

is there a way to share foursqure data with osm? Do foursquare users
release all right to entered data to forusquare? If so, then foursquare
could (if they decided so) release that data to OSM community, right?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Kathleen Danielson]

This is great! Does anyone (cough cough Elliott Plack)  know if there are
local Foursquare superuser groups? We could invite them to Editathons and
other mapping parties!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Jason Remillard
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It is fantastic news that foursquare is adding an edit OSM button into
> their interface. Hopefully they have good luck with it and roll it out
> everywhere.
>
> Craigslist, how about an edit OSM button too?
>
> Jason.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Stefan Keller  wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Interesting news from yesterday's Foursquare blog [1]: "Today, we’re
> > expanding upon that by encouraging our community to directly edit map
> > data. (...). See also [2].
> >
> > Yours, Stefan
> >
> > P.S. I'm collecting everything I find around location based systems
> > and gamification while preparing my lightning talk about "Live is a
> > game!" at SOTM 2013...
> > P.P.S. Hope to see you all there on 6 to 8 Sept. in Birmingham.
> >
> > [1]
> http://blog.foursquare.com/2013/07/31/linking-up-foursquare-and-openstreetmap-editing/
> > [2] https://twitter.com/openstreetmap/status/362901088803889152
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

[Jason Remillard]

Hi,

It is fantastic news that foursquare is adding an edit OSM button into
their interface. Hopefully they have good luck with it and roll it out
everywhere.

Craigslist, how about an edit OSM button too?

Jason.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Stefan Keller  wrote:
> Hi
>
> Interesting news from yesterday's Foursquare blog [1]: "Today, we’re
> expanding upon that by encouraging our community to directly edit map
> data. (...). See also [2].
>
> Yours, Stefan
>
> P.S. I'm collecting everything I find around location based systems
> and gamification while preparing my lightning talk about "Live is a
> game!" at SOTM 2013...
> P.P.S. Hope to see you all there on 6 to 8 Sept. in Birmingham.
>
> [1] 
> http://blog.foursquare.com/2013/07/31/linking-up-foursquare-and-openstreetmap-editing/
> [2] https://twitter.com/openstreetmap/status/362901088803889152
>
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