Re: [talk-ph] road conversion from primary to trunk
I assume routing software will prefer a trunk road over a primary road? The way I've done it, primary roads are the main thoroughfare through an area - the road most locals would choose when going *through*. I've upgraded a few roads to primary due to their importance. You could possible ask the question If I'm in this town, and I'm to the town after the neighbouring town, which road would I choose? The answer is most likely a primary road. But, I would normally not touch roads I am not local to and thus *know* the importance of. However the only exception was a map maning send to the list conttaining the main roads of Luzon, which I upgraded a couple of roads based on because it made complete sense. Now, truck roads I feel are a bit sacred. My ffeling is that these are roads that cross provinces. For example McArthur highway is the only truck road in Pampanga. I guess a trunk road will function like a motorway if one was not present, but cannot be upgraded to one because of the standard. In cities, my gut feeling is that trunk roads are the ones most people would choose to get in or out of the city, or through it - the ones you will guise people without knowleedge to take. For example, ,you'd probably guide them to go on EDSA when going from the south to the north, not a combination of minor roads that may save theem 10 minutes of driving if you know what roads to take. Disclosure: I may be wrong, I don't know my way around metro Manila. *I* go on EDSA so that I won't get lost! :) Take a look at central London: http://osm.org/go/euu4KZ5 There are no trunk roads in the center itself, except one - park lane - which is a major thoroughfare, and kind of splits the western part of central London from the main center. Park Lane is also the only way to go through central London north to south at daytime without paying ?8 congestion charge, so you can imagine it being pretty well utilized :) There's a ring road surrounding the center, which consist of trunk roads. This helps people looking at the map to choose the right route to take, as there are so many primary roads. They tend to be wider than primary roads, but some portions of them are just the saem size as primary - the upgrade is merely to help people choose the right route. So my 2 centavos worth is: If it helps people choose the best (most used) route through an area with lots of primary roads, then an upgrade to trunk seems sensible. I also think trunk roads should be connected to other trunk roads, thus act to help people not known to the area which route to take to get outta there! :) Ronny. maning sambale wrote: Pardon my ignorance, what is the benefit of re-classifying the roads form primary to trunk? I don't mind doing this for my area, but I need clear benefits before doing this. Does this provide better routing? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Sunday, 11 April, 2010 09:55 PM: That said, I was actually thinking of upgrading Espana-Quezon Avenue to trunk. :-) What do other people think? My 2 centavos: Trunk roads are inter-city / town. Its also to do with the way people enter/exit the road. So ... NLEX should be a trunk: EDSA should be a primary road. Jim the way people enter/exit the road That sounds like highway=motorway. And indeed, NLEX is highway=motorway because it's a high-speed road with limited entry/exit points and usually has a toll. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] [Fwd: RapidFTR project (for UNICEF). Please join us!]
Crossposting this to: Philippine Ruby Users Group (http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-phil) Openstreetmap Philippines (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines) This just came into my inbox from my local London Google OSJam mailing list. Although I don't expect anyone to be able to get to the meeting in Holborn (part of central London), I think there may be some on both lists that may be interested in participating in this software, particularly as disasters where this software can help are known to occur in the Philippines, it's written in Ruby on Rails and mapping integration is likely to be useful to implement. I'll try to join them on Saturday, if I can manage to shift around other arrangements. Hope this is of interest! Ronny. Original Message Subject: [open-source-jam] Open source code jam this Sat 27th, Holborn, London: RapidFTR project (for UNICEF). Please join us! Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom tom.el...@gmail.com Reply-To: london-open-source-...@googlegroups.com To: London Open Source Jam london-open-source-...@googlegroups.com CC: tel...@thoughtworks.com Hi all. Apologies for posting at such short notice, but hopefully this will be of interest to some of you. We're hosting a code jam at the Thoughtworks office in Holborn this Saturday to work on the open source RapidFTR project (http://www.rapidftr.com). RapidFTR was an idea coined by post-grad students at New York University, which some of us at Thoughtworks have been helping them to implement. It's a great idea that can make a massive difference to the Family Tracing and Reunification work that aid organisations do in humanitarian disaster areas. i.e. reuniting lost children with their families. (See the RapidFTR website for details.) UNICEF are already very interested in it, and would like to be able to deploy it as soon as possible. (The first areas they will deploy it to would probably be Haiti, and IDP camps in Uganda and Sudan.) We're having the code jam to see if we can get enough done so that it can start being used in the field. There's also lots more we would like to add after the initial deployment if people are are keen to work help out beyond this Saturday. There are many different areas that people can help with: RESTful API and Ruby on Rails backend, and a web admin interface; Search functionality (CouchDB); Blackberry phone client (specifically requested by UNICEF since that's what their aid workers have); Android phone client (so RapidFTR can be used by more NGOs); Any other form of RapidFTR client that people are interested in building. For more information about the project please visit: http://www.rapidftr.com/ Event details: Saturday March 27, 2010 from 10:00am - 4:00pm (or as long as people can stay) ThoughtWorks UK Office Berkshire House, 168-173 High Holborn London, United Kingdom, England WC1V 7AA If you think you might want to get involved, please just ping me a mail: tel...@thoughtworks.com so we can make sure we have plenty of food and drink for everyone. :-) If there's a particular functional area you'd like to work on, let me know that to. Thanks! Tom -- --- http://groups.google.com/group/london-open-source-jam To unsubscribe from this group, send email to london-open-source-jam+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
I've been wondering about that myself. I just used amenity=public_building for now, but of course, there's no icon on the map for that. As this is an important place, maybe particularly in the province, it would be great if we could all agree on a tag for it, as well as map icon (or use an existing tag with icon). Ronny. maning sambale wrote: I discovered during my barangay hall visits that each barangay in Marikina has a separate health center, botika (pharmacy) and police precincts, usually located within the barangay hall complex but separate from other barangay amenities. Nice. Question: What tag for barangay health centers? Which is not really a hospital or doctor/s. Thanks! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
After a bit of research, strike my previous suggestion.
+.5 on amenity=clinic for me.
See http://www.mail-archive.com/t...@openstreetmap.org/msg05884.html
Statements from the discussion:
- Clinic can apply to other medical folks, such as chiropodists and
physiotherapists too.
- And physical rehabilitation, dementia care, psychiatric counseling...
the list might be quite a long one.
However it was suggested for our purposes to mean polyclinics. Do our
municipial health centers fall under this category? In my opinion, yes,
pretty much.
We can also consider adding:
medical=servicelist
where servicelist is a semicolon-separated list of values from
{dentist, doctor, chiropodist, physiotherapy, minor_surgery, ...}.
and
emergency=yes|no
as well as
operator=Municipality of ___
Ronny.
ianlopez wrote:
+1 for amenity=clinic
@eric: i didn't know the consequences of not distinguishing health
centers from barangay outposts until now. thanks.
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Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you?
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--- On *Mon, 3/15/10, Eugene Alvin Villar /sea...@gmail.com/* wrote:
From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
To: eric pareja eric.par...@gmail.com
Cc: ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com, OSM-PH
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:31 PM
How about amenity=clinic?
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, eric pareja
eric.par...@gmail.com /mc/compose?to=eric.par...@gmail.com wrote:
hi ian, maning,
tagging health centers as public building or doctor's clinic
would probably be correct in keeping with generic tagging, but
it would be more useful if they are tagged specifically as
health centers. i've been convincing my boss at the national
telehealth center, UP Manila, to use openstreetmap.org
http://openstreetmap.org and this would be a good use case
for us.
ian, if both health centers and police outposts are tagged as
public buildings, how do we differentiate them? there's value
in distinguishing the health centers as such, and we'd like to
be able to work with that data to help direct patients to the
nearest one.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:00 PM, ianlopez
ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com
/mc/compose?to=ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:
Health centers should be tagged, either as a public
building or as a doctor's clinic. Boticas owned/operated
by barangay can be tagged as a pharmacy. Barangay police
outposts can be tagged either as a public building or as a
police station.
(Just a question: Is it OK to add Comelec/PNP Gun Ban
checkpoints? We could be accused of encouraging some
people to evade checkpoints and allow some of them to pack
some heat and add more bodies to the count - see
http://mashable.com/2009/12/31/drunken-drivers-evade-the-cops-with-twitter/
and http://mashable.com/2010/02/03/los-twitteros/ )
Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me.
Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you?
Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it.
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--- On *Mon, 3/15/10, maning sambale
/emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com/* wrote:
From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
Subject: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health
centers
To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
/mc/compose?to=talk...@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:05 PM
I discovered during my barangay hall visits that each
barangay in
Marikina has a separate health center, botika
(pharmacy) and police
precincts, usually located within the barangay hall
complex but
separate from other barangay amenities. Nice.
Question: What tag for barangay health centers? Which
is not really a
hospital or doctor/s.
Thanks!
--
cheers,
maning
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Re: [talk-ph] MAJOR PROBLEM in San Fernando, Pampanga portion
Something that strikes me as odd here is that it seems impossible to go north on MacArthur through this intersection. I am pretty sure I've gone north there myself on several occasions, but it's a while ago aand I'm back in London now so I can't verify. Can someone local verify this? Also, I'm pretty sure you can turn left as well (under the viaduct), right? Ronny. maning sambale wrote: junsamboy and others, I edited the San Fernando area for a lot of obvious errors: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2593646 Mostly these area: - untagged ways - unconnected highways - duplicate nodes - overlapping highways I think it requires several more passes because I may have missed other errors. Don't worry jun and ingguana, these errors are natural for new areas. We can improve on it as we learn the ropes. So I appeal to other osm-ph members, maybe we can help the san fernando contributors improve the data. Please have a brief look and correct the obvious errors. The most common are unconnected intersections. This is very important for routing. A critical road intersection is the olongapo-gapan-macarthur intersection: http://osm.org/go/4zO2B2C9f-- On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: OK On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jun Martin jun.mar...@gmail.com wrote: maning sambale wrote: OK, so we can override his edits then. I'll try fix a few in the coming days. Thanks. I would be good if he can cite his source using the source tag. Oh please invite ingguana to the talk-ph list. I've relayed this to ingguana. I hope he responds favorably. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] looking for local distributor of GPS data loggers
Guys, I've been using my iBlue 747A+ for a while now and it works generally very well. As a receiver I've had no issues whatsoever. As a logger, it's sometimes a bit tricky, but I can make it work when I rally want to :) Unfortunately our recent trip to the Phils was crippled somewhat by non-functional cars (Mitsubishi is a pile of rubbish - never again!), but I managed to get some good traces anyway (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ronny%20Ager-Wick/traces/). Some are from places without existing satellite images, which was nice. Virgin territory :) Most of the time (since I had some issues with downloading logs) I used it as a receiver and brought my eee PC running eeebuntu everywhere, even on a very bumpy trip to bunduk with a 4wd jeep (SSD instead of hard drive is practical). Anyway, I bought my GPS logger here: http://electronics.shop.ebay.co.uk/GPS-/139835/i.html?_catref=1_fln=1_ipg=_ssn=higheststandardultimate_trksid=p3911.c0.m282 I ended up paying £23 + £3 postage for it, which I think is reasonable. If this item is difficult to get hold of in the Phils and you want one, I'm happy to get you one and either ship it to you directly, or if you're not in a hurry and want to save on postage and customs charges, I can put it in the next balikbayan box for you, and my family can just send it from the local post office in Magalang. This will take a while though, as we're planning on having one box arrive some time before xmas. Ronny. maning sambale wrote: Can you refer some people I can purchase data loggers in Manila? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux
Jim Morgan wrote: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Wednesday, 19 August, 2009 10:16 AM: Yep, TangoGPS is good stuff! I got the stable version from their website. Tried it this morning on a short walk. Taking your laptop for a walk ... might be considered as a bit nerdy by some ... :-) You're joking! I find that perfectly normal :) Not only that, I was actually walking with my two children as well, one in the stroller (which had a perfect place for the eee on top, exactly where I wanted it) and one beside it, who constantly wanted to see the route we had walked as well. You can imagine explaining the urban canyon effect to a 3 year old :) I am trying to get mtkbabel (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtkbabel/) to download tracks from it I seem to recall gpsbabel may help you out here getting the tracks off the unit. If you're lucky and its in a format it understands ... Otherwise I guess it wouldn't be too horrible to install the connection software on a windows box which you could use when you need to pull off data files. Reading the docs of gpsbabel revealed that you can only download tracks via USB cable. I've been trying to do it over bluetooth, so that explains why I've been out of luck so far. First quick test leaves still no joy, but this is a work in progress :) I want to avoid having to maintain a windows box, even on a virtual machine, just to download GPS tracks. I know that would be a simple solution, but I'm looking for a good solution, not just *a* solution. Progress doesn't happen by giving up - that's my excuse :) The idea is that if I'm on a long trip, I can download the tracks to the eee when the logger is getting full. I got josm working fine, but I'm a bit unfomfortable with it yet. It really needs a bigger screen than the eeepc to use it well. Same with Mercaartor. So it might be better to use these editors when you're back at home rather than in the field. Yep, you're probably right. josm hardly fits on the screen actually, even after removing the button bar. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux
Hi, guys, Thanks Jim for useful info. I'm already running eeebuntu :) Installed it within a few minutes after I received the computer. I've done my research now and found that the MTK chipset is supposedly superior to the SiRFStar-III, and when I got a great price on this one, it made the choice easy: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380145573933ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123 The full name of the item is Transystems i-Blue 747 A+. Note that there's also a 737, but it's a pure receiver with no logging. I'm currently playing with various Linux software to make use of the thing, including Navit, which is currently compiling. I will let you know when I get it working. Does anybody have any recommendations for tools/programs relevant to OSM to use with Ubuntu? Ronny. Jim Morgan wrote: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 04:46 AM: Guys, I found I need to retire my old laptop, so I've ordered an eee PC and I'm looking to get a GPS logger and receiver if I can only find one that doesn't cost a fortune. I've found these guys have some good prices. http://www.expansys.com.hk/gps/gps-receivers (They have a UK site as well. In fact its a UK company) And this one looks as though it fits your general specs, except it doesn't do bluetooth. http://www.expansys.com.hk/d.aspx?i=149006 I'm 95% sure that if it supplies GPS over USB cable, then you can get Linux to talk to it. I'd recommend installing eeeBuntu 3, which I just put on my girlfriend's EEE. Very nicely done - everything works immediately and you have access to the global Ubuntu repositories, so you can get your gpsd, tangogps etc on there easily. Contact me offlist if you want to go into techy details ... Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter
Sorry I missed this. Yes, I still volunteer, and I'm going to the Phils in 3 weeks anyway, so if it will happen between 3 and 7 weeks from now, perfect! Ronny. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-May/000901.html On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com mailto:an...@enthropia.com wrote: no responses yet, need 1 more, 4 cannot make a company, need 5 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request
Jim Morgan wrote: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 06:52 PM: Thanks Jim, that is very useful! Will definitely check out one of those converters. You can probably get them anywhere, but I just found them on that site recently. Yep, I was aware of their existence, I just didn't realize they were so cheap :) I was thinking of simply collecting all the data and process it when we come home to Magalang, but it seems increasingly intriguing to bring a laptop and do edits directly on the road. Do you know if usable packages exit for Ubuntu that can act as a GPS with one of the loggers connected to the USB port? According to Maning, the guys in Davao did just that: The davao guys murlwe and smackcode used the gpstogo units with tangogps: http://mapping.ideacampdavao.com/2009/06/diy-gps-navigation-rig.html This is perfect for mapping from a car, which is fortunately most of the time. However, if I go on a long trip on foot, the laptop will eventually run out of battery, so I can't depend on logging straight to TagoGPS all the time. I'm not sure how that worked exactly, but tangoGPS uses gpsd, so anything that can communicate with that will work. I was using a bluetooth dongle, but a USB connection would work just as well, as long as Ubuntu recognises it. You have to fiddle with rfcomm a bit I seem to remember. Hopefully those pointers will give you enough to go on. USB - rfcomm - gpsd - TangoGPS The only 'gotcha' with the GT-31 is that its waypoints dump needs to be converted to a recognisable format on a windows box. So you'd sidestep that if you were logging directly to TangoGPS. Jim Very useful, Jim! Thanks a lot for that. That gotcha is definitely a big gotcha. I don't stock windoze computers, so that would be pretty annoying. *Does anyone know of any gps loggers that can be bought for a reasonable amount of money that does NOT use some obscure proprietary file format?* I'm still in the UK so I can get one from here if needed. I could always use my dusty old Win2k VM, which I'm sure I can dig out from my backup hard drive somewhere, but I can't remember if USB was even invented at that time, not do I know if it will work in VMWare. But I really just want to avoid reliance on proprietary stuff. I want to be able to help others with this after I've done it, and people that know me knows very well that I will never say then just start up Windows to download and convert this file. There must be a better solution. Will search for some linux friendly GPS loggers on Amazon later :) Ronny. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request
Thanks Jim, that is very useful! Will definitely check out one of those converters. I was thinking of simply collecting all the data and process it when we come home to Magalang, but it seems increasingly intriguing to bring a laptop and do edits directly on the road. Do you know if usable packages exit for Ubuntu that can act as a GPS with one of the loggers connected to the USB port? Ronny. Jim Morgan wrote: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Sunday, 12 July, 2009 11:23 PM: A GPS logger with car charger would be preferable, unless they have battery life of up to two-three days. Please let me know if any are available. I assume you can use these things with Linux (Ubuntu)? The GPS to go units have a pretty good battery life - they seemed to go for well over 24 hours on one charge. In addition they have a USB charger which can be plugged into the cigarette lighter socket in the car. If you're using them with a laptop (linux, tango gps etc), then probably your biggest problem is going to be your laptop battery. In which case I came across a bunch of cheap inverters the other day at CDR-King, which will power any AC 240 volt device in a car. A 100 watt model was about 500 pesos, and a 500 watt version was just over 1000 pesos. Seemed like a good price. They're on the website, but I can't link directly to the page ... just search for inverter in the product search. http://www.cdrking.com.ph/ You'll probably have to go to one of the bigger branches to pick one up. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request
Maning, that sounds very cool! I've been wanting to increase awareness there and this could be a good way. I can ask my niece, who's studying in Pampanga Agricultural College if she can spread the word in her class, and maybe get some participants from there, hopefully teachers. But to make it affective, I think at least 1 or 2 of you veterans would be good. Ronny. maning sambale wrote: Hmmm a mapping party in Pampanga? Anyone? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: Hi guys, We're planning a trip to the Phils and thought it would be a good idea to use the opportunity to do some traces at the same time. It'll be mostly around Magalang, Pampanga, but also in the neighboring towns like Angeles, Dau and hopefully a trip to Mt. Pinatubo (into the crater). I hope to be able to map some unmapped territory while I'm there. I put a reservation request here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/GPStogo_program#Reservation_requests A GPS logger with car charger would be preferable, unless they have battery life of up to two-three days. Please let me know if any are available. I assume you can use these things with Linux (Ubuntu)? The davao guys murlwe and smackcode used the gpstogo units with tangogps: http://mapping.ideacampdavao.com/2009/06/diy-gps-navigation-rig.html @ murlwe and smackcode, Is it possible to use the cyclemap instead of the the default osm map within tangogps? That would be a better map to use in pinatubo. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] philippine speed limits
Hehehe, I was quite surprised myself! Usually when they pull me over, the police will invent some laws on the spot or refer to an ancient sign that everyone, including themselves, ignore - if it's even visible. But of course they decided to enforce it right now, while 350 other cars are breaking the exact same law during the time we argue about it - yey! Yep, can't help but to love those guys :) Can't be easy though, enforcing laws most people don't know exist. Fines also seem to be random, but luckily it's possible to bargain... Would still prefer a more structured and fair system though. People lose respect for the law when it's ridiculous, irrelevant or both - something which is painfully evident. I think they should make the traffic laws a wiki! At least someone would update them every now and then :) Ronny. Jim Morgan wrote: Wait ... there are traffic laws here!? ;-) Jim maning sambale wrote, On Thursday, 25 June, 2009 10:46 PM: In the absence of max_speed data in osmph roads, I'm looking at putting default values for garmin gps routing. The Philippine law is not very helpful and is probably obsolete: http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1964/ra_4136_1964.html See CHAPTER IV TRAFFIC RULES ARTICLE I Speed Limit and Keeping to the Right ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
Very interesting conversation! I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as a basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of amenities, like: MMDA urinals - see toilets Toilets - amenity=toilets; fee=yes/no Newspaper stand - shop=newsagent Cockfighting arena - sport=cockfighting Multipurpose hall - building=yes; amenity=public_building etc. I would include the generic world wide ones as well, so we can use this as a guideline for how to tag stuff when in doubt. Or is there already such a page? Ronny. ian lopez wrote: For pay toilets, amenity=toilets; fee=yes, while shop=newsagent is for newspaper stands (I think). for DVD shops, I think that there is no tag for it. The big G has Quiapo DVD (somewhat prominent when you look at it), but I think that we can't tag it since it is somewhat illegal. Basketball courts are easy, use sport=basketball. AFAIK, multipurpose buildings should be building=yes, amenity=public_building. In some places, I tag cockfighting arenas as sport=cockfighting, though a good number of people outside the Philippines do not consider sabong as a sport (and illegal in some places). Yellow Cab is a pizza place, most likely to be tagged as amenity=restaurant. Regarding MMDA's urinals, it should be amenity=toilets, fee=no (from what I know, most, if not all of its urinals are used for free), operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority --- On *Wed, 6/17/09, Rally de Leon /rall...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:08 PM (not all are distinctly ph poi's, but for the sake of discussion, here are some POI examples i know or don't know): -Ukay-ukay / Wagwagan -Hilot (manghihilot / mangtatawas) -Daycare - is this classified as a school? -Multipurpose Hall / Barangay Covered Courts - that cannot be plainly classified as basketball court. -Store that only sells LPG tank (gasul) -Junkshop (buy and sells scrap) -Store that primarily sells reconditioned and surplus equipments (eg. HMR) -Barangay Outpost or Police Outpost (small booth only, not barangay hall or police station) -FX Terminal (including a tag for their route destination, eg. crossing, ayala, megamall) -Newspaper stand (Tabloid / Broadsheet) - some sari-sari store sell newspaper, bulgar, taliba, most don't. -Pay Restrooms (distinction between free/public and pay restroom) -Auction houses/yard like the ones in subic (or are these just considered buildings?) -DIY shop that is specialized in electronic/speaker/radio parts, not a typical hardware (Raon-type of store, more like a radioshack equivalent, or Kuryente) - or just generalize this as hardware shop? -free-standing betting stations/ pagcor / lotto outlets and alikes -DVD DVD (or is this supposed to be secret) ;-) -clear and easy guideline which are considered fastfood and restaurant. as we don't want too many POI icons on the map. Eg. If you pay first (at the counter before you eat), then it's FASTFOOD (eg. mcdo, jollibee, greenwich, and those at regular food courts, including burger machine and good burger). If you eat-first-then-pay-the-bill, then we generally put it under RESTAURANT (especially if there's a waiter). except for the free-standing semi-permanent fishball/isaw/shawarma stand/kiosk (and alikes) where you eat first, then pay all the fishballs you've eaten. Is this classified as fastfood or simply snack stand? So is yellow cab or goldilocks a restaurant or a fastfood? i believe goldilocks and redribbon falls under bakeshop? so therefore, as long as they sell cake, even if they sell fastfood, the priority tag must be bakeshop. is this ok? that way, we use lesser and easier to identify POI icons (for use on mobile devices) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org /mc/compose?to=talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops
As OSM originated in the UK, they would write tyre rather than tire so it's hard to say which one to use. I think, to avoid confusion and because it's more accurate shop=vulcanizing is a good tag for a vulcanizing shop :) Ronny. Nacario Neil wrote: shop=vulcanizing or shop=tire - Original Message From: George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14:18 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops why not just use amenity=vulcanizing? btw, what should be the attributes/tag for government offices? can we just set a generic tag (that will show up on the map) for POIs marked that will be updated/identified later? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=tire? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company
Totally agree, the more tracks the better. On your number 2, do we have time stamps as well for the tracks that are submitted? Is this normally stored in the GPX trances? If we have loads of tracks, that's potentially very useful data! I think when I go back there and I buy a GPS, I might drive around with it constantly gathering data, and upload it. If 1000s of people did that, we'll have a massive resource for route planning. LTO and DPWH would probably find this very useful as well :) Ronny. maning sambale wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Rally de Leonrall...@gmail.com wrote: We only need a few quality tracks. Generally, I am in favor of uploading the GPX traces in OSM even if you don't think your personal traces is not very much useful to others. Who knows in the future, some OSM hacker might: 1. use multiple traces to interpolate road width; http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3613408786_f4fb5f791b_o.jpg that's edsa by the way from josm 2. analyze timestamps and point intervals, to interpolate traffic and average speed at certain times of the day. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition
What about downgrading it to a track to reflect its de facto standard? :) Ronny. maning sambale wrote: Hi, A mapper pointed me to this discussion re: removing a road network because of the bad road condition and is currently under repair http://www.roadguide.ph/forums/showpost.php?p=5911postcount=1 I don't think removing the segment is good, even though it's full of potholes, I believe it is still being used by locals. Any additional tag we can add? potholes=many smoothness=horrible locals=nasty :) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] addr:has_apartments / addr:apartment_number_format
Guys, I re-read this page, which I made some edits to a couple of months ago: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Philippine_addressing#Proposed_schema I added the following tags, which based upon my experience will provide very valuable information for later address verification and other automated tasks: |addr:has_apartments ||addr:apartment_number_format At the time of edit, I read the heading (Proposed schema) and went ahead with my proposal. This time I read the subtitle: I suggest we adopt the Karlsruhe Schema and adopt all possible tags that fit the Philippines Tags The following tags are defined *and in common use*: Note: My two suggested tags are not in common use, they are my suggestions only. So if they are inappropriate, feel free to remove them. If the community decides to keep them, a similar syste||m could be used for an addr:house_number_format tag on street level.| |Ronny. | ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] bocaue / balintawak / toll gates + round abouts
I'm fixing some things on NLEX, but I'm not so familiar in this area (apart form driving past there numerous times). Is this the Bocaue toll barrier? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.80428lon=120.94194zoom=16 I'm assuming this is Balintawak toll barrier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.67846lon=121.00214zoom=15 I was playing around a bit with the Dau Toll Barrier, but I'm beginning to think I might have made a bit too much of an effort here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.17075lon=120.60918zoom=16 Is there any recommendation for how to deal with issues like this: - what do we call them (toll gates/barriers/booths)? - how to tag them so that GPS navigators will deal with them in a sensible way? - is it a goo idea to do like I did in Dau, extending the one way path tagged lanes=2 into however many lanes there are in the toll gate, or is it better to keep it a single path and just tag it lanes=n instead, positioning the path approximately in the middle? The same goes for roundabouts. I've been quite accurate when making them, letting the roads leading in and out enter the roundabout the way the traffic normally flows (or is supposed to flow, if anybody were following the rules), splitting them in two tiny one-way streets to show the exact flow of the traffic in and out of the roundabout. Is this a waste of time? Should I rather just let the road go straight into the roundabout without splitting it? Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.152958lon=120.592369zoom=18 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.161103lon=120.609488zoom=18 I'm trying to make the map usable for GPS navigation, but I'm not sure if this is the best way to achieve that. Any advice is appreciated. Ronny. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] routing problems in Pampanga area
Finding this route slightly peculiar, I followed McArthur highway and fixed some things that I though was obviously wrong. Most of these are from my memory, with good help from Yahoo's imagery. These are my main edits. If someone local could verify my changes that would be great. - made a new roundabout and connected lots of ways near the bridge south of Brgy Balibago Angeles going to town proper: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.15404lon=120.59294zoom=17 - connected a few unconnected ways in this amazingly detailed intersection: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.0394lon=120.68183zoom=17 (whoever produced this amazing detail did a great job!) - the same here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.05036lon=120.69596zoom=16 - deleted duplicate section of McArthur here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.9793lon=120.766zoom=13 (sorry, after deleting, I realized it may have been two separated lanes, but neither was marked as one way. I also connected the ends to the next section. - straightened and connected unconnected point on McArthur here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.0338lon=120.6978zoom=14 (I can't remember this diversion road so I set it as unclassified, please correct me if my memory is letting me down) - also, could someone local to Angeles / San Fernando verify this weird diversion of McArthur? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.12082lon=120.60352zoom=16 Ronny. maning sambale wrote: Hi, I found a couple of routing errors near Pampanga The shortest route from Bacolor to North of Angeles directs me to SCTEX not to the primary road along San Fernando to Angeles City. Please verify road intersections along this area. link: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=15.019941flon=120.66741tlat=15.251051tlon=120.563469v=motorcarfast=0layer=mapnik ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] gpstogo units available
Yeah, I was also wondering which route you would take to achieve that :) maning sambale wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Another one will be traveling from Davao to Manila by land next week. Whoa! Totoo ba ito? By land from Davao to Manila? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Timog/Quezon aves
I was just browsing and I seem to remember that at the end of Timog Ave, where it meets Quezon Ave, the last bit of road is blocked, because you can't go left there as would make a total chaos :) I corrected it, but I was unsure of exactly how to mark it. Could someone verify and also, if you happen to be in the area, could you verify if my memory is as good as I think it is? :) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.636952lon=121.026532zoom=19 Ronny. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] sample addresses
In preparing for the address entry system, it would be useful to have a lot of different address types, so we know we will be able to handle all of them. If they can be listed like this, it will make complete sense for everyone: (including me :) ) 999 San Nicolas Dos - House Number + Barangay (note: Dos is frequently replaced by 2 or II) Magalang, Pampanga 2011 - Town, Province + postal code 99 Gen. Segundo St. - House Number + Street name Heroes Hill - Area or Subdivision Quezon City - City Rizal Street 999- Street name + house number Barangay Lourdes- Barangay Angeles City 2009 - City + postal code Ground Floor, Manzen Bldg - Floor + Building name Santo Rosario St- Street Angeles, 2009 - City (note lack of word city) + postal code (this one i particularly annoying, as I could walk up and down the entire Sto Rosario St without ever figuring out which building it is, as building names rarely are advertised very visibly. Our db and system should ideally be able to translate this into a house number) Lot 99 Blk. 1 Road Lot 6 Phase 1 - lot number + block number + ? + phase number Pacific Heights Subd. - subdivision Brgy. Tamayo, Calaca - barangay + area within barangay (?) Batangas City - city Lot 3 Blk 11 - lot number + block number Lipa Country Estate Bulacnin - Subdivision + I assume Bulacnin is either an area or a barangay (?) Lipa City - city Lot 18 Blk 18 Phase 3B- lot number + block number + phase number (and letter!) The Ridge Brgy. San Gregorio - subdivision name and barangay (note lack of comma) Laurel, Batangas - town, province If we can compile a list of all kinds of normal and weird addresses and their meaning, that would be great! Then we can make it as easy as possible to first of all enter them, but secondly, automatically detect them and match with an existing address in the database. Ronny. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] seeing new mappers lately
I, for one, appreciated the message when you sent it to me. I joined this list and added my name in the wiki because of it, and I think it's a nice gesture - and very important for building the community. Maybe you could add a little disclaimer on the bottom, for the kabalat kapaya (sensitive) people out there, explaining that it's a personal greeting, where you got the email address from and that no more email will be send as a result of this, so if you don't want to see any more emails like this, you don't have to do anything. Unless you will be in touch, this is the first and last.. Something like that. Ronny. maning sambale wrote: Hi, I'm seeing new mappers around Metro manila and other areas lately. Anybody here welcoming them? I stopped doing it when I was labeled a spammer by another contributor. Maybe my message of welcoming and invitation is too spammish. Can we craft a better non-spammish message for new mappers? Here's what I wrote before, feel free to improve. Hi! Just to want to say welcome to OSM Philippines! Little by little we are getting more contributors for the Philippines particularly in Metro Manila and adjacent provinces, more roads are added every week. I see your adding data, thank you for your contributions! We have a wikipage for coordinating things a bit: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Philippines Also our mailinglist is: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-ph Please add your name in the wiki and where you intend to to focus mapping. If you need help feel free to send us a message in talk-ph mailinglist. cheers, maning ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Magalang disappearing when zooming out
I'm just a bit puzzled, how come, when Magalang and Arayat appears fine here: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153lon=120.678zoom=11layers=0B00FTF If you zoom out, both Magalang and Arayat disappears, despite there is more than enough space for the names on the map. However I even tried moving the name Magalang a bit further out to make sure it does not crash with Mabalacat or Clark Special Economic Zone. I don't understand why Mexico and Mabalacat stays while Magalang and Arayat does not? Funnily, using Mapnik instead of Osmarender yields completely different results. How does Osmarender (and Mapnik for that matter) calculate which names to show and which to hide? I can't find any logic in this, and am at a loss trying to rectify it. Secondly, is there anything I can do to tell the rendering engine which names have the same importance (or level)? Ronny. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Magalang disappearing when zooming out
Thanks, Eugene. I updated some tags so that Mabalacat are Magalang are more similar (and at the same time completing more information of course), as there were a few differences. I'll see in a few days if that change did any good. If not, I'll file a bug. Ronny. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: The topic of which labels get priority or not has been discussed often at the main talk mailing list. As far as I know, there's no agreed upon solution yet for tagging for importance especially for settlements. On the other hand, Mapnik renders both labels fine so it must be a rendering issue and there shouldn't be any tweaking of the tags just to force those labels to appear. You might want to file a trac bug for this; t...@h/Osmarender shouldn't be too choosy with name clashes; it clashes street names anyway at higher zoom levels. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. r...@develo.ltd.uk mailto:r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: I'm just a bit puzzled, how come, when Magalang and Arayat appears fine here: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153lon=120.678zoom=11layers=0B00FTF http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153lon=120.678zoom=11layers=0B00FTF If you zoom out, both Magalang and Arayat disappears, despite there is more than enough space for the names on the map. However I even tried moving the name Magalang a bit further out to make sure it does not crash with Mabalacat or Clark Special Economic Zone. I don't understand why Mexico and Mabalacat stays while Magalang and Arayat does not? Funnily, using Mapnik instead of Osmarender yields completely different results. How does Osmarender (and Mapnik for that matter) calculate which names to show and which to hide? I can't find any logic in this, and am at a loss trying to rectify it. Secondly, is there anything I can do to tell the rendering engine which names have the same importance (or level)? Ronny. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] editing some in angeles area
Maning, I've done almost all the major streets of Magalang, which is just near Angeles, and a few bits and bobs in Angeles (such as the expressway exit), Arayat and Mexico. I am new to OSM, so I am learning while doing. Can you direct me to a couple of examples of unconnected intersections and tell me how to fix it. I just want to make sure I'm doing it the right way. Ronny. Maning Sambale wrote: Hi, I passed by Angeles, Pampanga (in the OSM sense) last night and it is progressing rapidly. One thing I noticed is, there are a couple of unconnected intersections. So I added intersection nodes to some. Cheers to those mapping this area. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
