[Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns that are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import into OSM. Has anyone set a precedent for this already? Would it make sense for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an effort to standardize? This would be for trails specifically and would follow what has been established on the Hiking wiki page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking). National Forest Trails tags proposed: * owner = national_forest, private_on_nf, private_noton_nf, county, state, city_town * closure_status = open, closed, restricted, decommissionedAlso, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the data source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)? Spencer___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Spencer Riddile wrote: I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns that are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import into OSM. Has anyone set a precedent for this already? Would it make sense for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an effort to standardize? Yes, definitely. If nothing else, you should say where you got the data from, how you did the import, and any metadata that doesn't make sense to put into each and every node/way. Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the data source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)? Chris and Dave have set a standard for imports that says that existing metadata should be preserved. As long as you do that, anybody who comes along later can turn that metadata into OSM tags. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 10:48 -0500, Russ Nelson wrote: > > Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the > > data source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)? > > Chris and Dave have set a standard for imports that says that existing > metadata should be preserved. As long as you do that, anybody who > comes along later can turn that metadata into OSM tags. Yeah, I'd say please preserve as much as you can *especially* so people can track the origin of the data. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: > On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 10:48 -0500, Russ Nelson wrote: > > > Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the > > > data source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)? > > > > Chris and Dave have set a standard for imports that says that existing > > metadata should be preserved. As long as you do that, anybody who > > comes along later can turn that metadata into OSM tags. > > Yeah, I'd say please preserve as much as you can *especially* so people > can track the origin of the data. > This is also important so that you can make a diff and update imported data if a new, updated set of external data comes up. Also, you might be able to send changes back to the data source. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
Spencer Riddile wrote: > I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns > that are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import > into OSM. Has anyone set a precedent for this already? Would it make > sense for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an > effort to standardize? This would be for trails specifically and > would follow what has been established on the Hiking wiki page > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking). > I do think a US specific trails page (s) would is needed and would be useful > National Forest Trails > tags proposed: > > * owner = national_forest, private_on_nf, private_noton_nf, > county, state, city_town > * closure_status = open, closed, restricted, decommissioned > I'd like to see some US specific (relevant) tags Generally here in California and my experience with the west is trails have a series of designations Horse Foot Bicycle OHV Handicapped 4WD Cross Country (informal) aka - XC or CC There are NOT recommended designations, while not specifically prohibiting an activity you'd be wise to heed it or at least exercise caution There seems be to a lack of discussion about other agencies BLM, Park Service are two biggies that come to mind. The OHV tag would need to cover recommendations about vehicle type, Motorcycle, ATV, Jeep(4wd) trail width etc I'd also like to see a us specific rating Yosemite Decimal System (YDS) is commonly used here in the west and very common in the climbing community, this would apply mostly to XC trails / routes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosemite_Decimal_System The whole system of fees on public lands here in the US needs work Here in SoCal parking most anywhere with in a National Forest requires paying a fee $5 daily or $30 annual ($80 Public Lands pass too) Points north there are trailhead specific fees or other systems I don't know. > Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the data > source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)? Yes source Matt > > Spencer > > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
Matt Maxon wrote: > Spencer Riddile wrote: >> I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns >> that are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import >> into OSM. Has anyone set a precedent for this already? Would it make >> sense for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS >> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an >> effort to standardize? This would be for trails specifically and >> would follow what has been established on the Hiking wiki page >> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking). >> > I do think a US specific trails page (s) would is needed and would be useful > >> National Forest Trails >> tags proposed: >> >> * owner = national_forest, private_on_nf, private_noton_nf, >> county, state, city_town >> * closure_status = open, closed, restricted, decommissioned >> > I'd like to see some US specific (relevant) tags > > Generally here in California and my experience with the west is trails > have a series of designations > > Horse > Foot > Bicycle > OHV > Handicapped > 4WD > Cross Country (informal) aka - XC or CC > > There are NOT recommended designations, while not specifically > prohibiting an activity you'd be wise to heed it or at least exercise > caution Is this not covered by the access key? horse=designated, ski:nordic=designated, etc.? Not sure what OHV is (off-highway vehicle?), but it seems that a new access type might be needed. > There seems be to a lack of discussion about other agencies BLM, > Park Service are two biggies that come to mind. > > The OHV tag would need to cover recommendations about vehicle type, > Motorcycle, ATV, Jeep(4wd) trail width etc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 08:11 -0800, Matt Maxon wrote: > Here in SoCal parking most anywhere with in a National Forest > requires > paying a fee $5 daily or $30 annual ($80 Public Lands pass too) Same basic system in Oregon and Washington. Some trailheads are special, usually when they're really busy for some reason. There are also entry requirements for some trails. For instance, each group needs to have a filled-out form when entering a national forest around here. Groups are also limited to "12 heartbeats". That stuff is good to capture in some way. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:20:11 -0800, Spencer Riddile wrote: > I'm working on figuring out what tags to use for the fields/columns that > are included in the USFS GIS trail data that I am going to import into > OSM. Has anyone set a precedent for this already? Would it make sense > for me to add a section to the wiki page for the USFS > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data) in an effort > to standardize? This would be for trails specifically and would follow > what has been established on the Hiking wiki page > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking). I can't get to usfs.gov at the moment; are you saying machine- readable maps are available there? Or at the Ranger Station here in Blacksburg? Or what? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
