Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Thursday, December 30, 1999, 12:28:13 PM, Alexander wrote:

> Hi there!

> On 30 Dec 99, at 9:35, Keith Russell wrote
> about "Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus pro":

>> >> The third module, ie the Dos box which can pop up with warnings,
>> 
>> > it's drwebwcl.exe, CLI version of the program.
>> 
>> But how do I install it? I think you said it's not installed by
>> default, and I don't appear to have it.

> Means you didn't choose it for installation somehow. Re-install, 
> and when the dialog (in Russian:-), but it's similar to the same 
> dialogue in every other installer) asks for the "type of 
> installation", select the lowest choice (it's custom), and then 
> select all the components after it asks you to.

I installed by simply guessing where to click to continue on each
dialog, thus getting all the defaults, since earlier discussions had
indicated this would work.

I had no alternative. While the splash screen does display Russian and
the blue background has a mishmash of garbage (roman characters with
lots of diacritics), in the step-by-step installation dialogs
themselves, I see no text at all, except for the occasional English
word or punctuation mark; everything else looks like an underline (or
continuous dashes).

There was absolutely no way I could tell which dialog represented
"type of installation".

>> > Just tested: delete this line, and it will switch to English:-) Sorry 
>> > for inconvenience, but I told you it was an offer for *Russians*:-
>> > ) Time to learn Russian, yeah?
>> 
>> Can you tell me how I can get Russian font support in English Win98?

> I'll bet you've got it already. Just for testing purposes:

> ïë

> The line above should look exactly as "OK" (without quotes). If 
> this is the case, the font you are using in TB supports Cyrillic. 
> If not, set the font to Courier New and look what happens.

The line actually says "IE" with a circumflex accent on each letter. I
checked under Editor Preferences, and it says Courier New. (At the
bottom of the "sample editor window" below, I see the same garbage
that I see when beginning a DrWeb install.) I can change the display
of your test string by changing Encoding, but I don't ever get "OK".

I don't know what's going on, because I have at times viewed Cyrillic
characters in messages.

In any case, as someone else pointed out, The Bat! settings will not
affect my ability or inability to see Russian characters (or any at
all!) During the DrWeb install.

FWIW, my installation was successful, and I was able to switch to
English just fine in both applications; I just didn't get the
command-line program.

By the way, I am running Windows 98 (original version with updates)
and The Bat! 1.38e.

Thanks for your help.




 Keith Russell
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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 30 Dec 99, at 21:39, Carsten Dreesbach wrote
about "Re[2]: SOT: Y2K and possible virus ":

> AVK> The line above should look exactly as "OK" (without quotes). If
> AVK> this is the case, the font you are using in TB supports Cyrillic.
> AVK> If not, set the font to Courier New and look what happens.
> 
> Hmm,  I think what he meant were the fonts for the menus, etc. I tried
> changing  language  and  it came out all funky, special characters and
> everything  (as  in,  NOT  Cyrillic! ;] ). Is this because it uses the
> upper 128 chars of the ANSI set? If so, the font that's used for menus
> needs  to  be  one  with  the  Cyrillic  set  in those positions... 

Seems that it grabs your default Windows ANSI charset for 
menus, etc. This doesn't depend on the existance or non-
existance of the proper font on your system, just on windows-
specific settings. If it is the case, I'd think it's impossible to 
change the charset used for the menus *of one particular 
application*... 

> something  like that. Just kinda wondering, because I though TB! would
> look cool in Russian! ;]

I don't use Russian menus *even* when the program supports 
this. Never did. I'm accustomed to English menus and besides 
Russian menus are usually much more "verbose" then English 
ones. I'll bet our German friends face the same problem:-). 
"óËÏÐÉÒÏ×ÁÔØ" instead of "Copy" is really not very pleasant in 
the menus, it's too long for me. It's all right in the everyday life 
(because Russian has very different grammar structure from 
English and many things are omitted, for example we do not 
use things like "the", "a" etc.), but in menus I don't like it.

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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 30 Dec 99, at 9:35, Keith Russell wrote
about "Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus pro":

> >> The third module, ie the Dos box which can pop up with warnings,
> 
> > it's drwebwcl.exe, CLI version of the program.
> 
> But how do I install it? I think you said it's not installed by
> default, and I don't appear to have it.

Means you didn't choose it for installation somehow. Re-install, 
and when the dialog (in Russian:-), but it's similar to the same 
dialogue in every other installer) asks for the "type of 
installation", select the lowest choice (it's custom), and then 
select all the components after it asks you to.

> > Just tested: delete this line, and it will switch to English:-) Sorry 
> > for inconvenience, but I told you it was an offer for *Russians*:-
> > ) Time to learn Russian, yeah?
> 
> Can you tell me how I can get Russian font support in English Win98?

I'll bet you've got it already. Just for testing purposes:

ïë

The line above should look exactly as "OK" (without quotes). If 
this is the case, the font you are using in TB supports Cyrillic. 
If not, set the font to Courier New and look what happens.

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A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589  9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) 
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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, December 25, 1999, 7:38:13 PM, Alexander wrote:

>> The third module, ie the Dos box which can pop up with warnings,

> it's drwebwcl.exe, CLI version of the program.

But how do I install it? I think you said it's not installed by
default, and I don't appear to have it.

>> has a setting (I think) in Drweb32.ini, which is in the drweb
>> directory.
>> [DOS]
>> LngFileName="Russian.DWL"

> Just tested: delete this line, and it will switch to English:-) Sorry 
> for inconvenience, but I told you it was an offer for *Russians*:-
> ) Time to learn Russian, yeah?

Can you tell me how I can get Russian font support in English Win98?

Thanks.

 Keith Russell
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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

AVK> Dr.Web has always been one of the fastest scanners available. It
AVK> uses it's own algorithm of checking files. This results in the
AVK> situation when it needs even less time to scan your whole HDD
AVK> _with_ all the possible bells and whistles (like heuristic
AVK> analysis  and deep scan) then, say, NAV _without_ these
AVK> options...

Is there any site with benchmarks of various virus scanners? And
comparison tables?

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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 26 Dec 99, at 21:38, Andreas Rumpenhorst wrote
about "Re[3]: SOT: Y2K and possible virus ":

> OC> Another interesting free antivirus scanner is Computer Associates
> OC> InnoculateIT personal edition, which is free for personal use and not
> OC> time locked. I'm using it and it seems OK, but I'm not a AV expert
> OC> (unix makes life unbearable for virus's ;) so if anybody else wants to
> OC> comment I'd be interested.

I heard some praises to this one, but never have tried it myself. 
Dr.Web has done all the "dirty work" for me for the past 4 
years. Never had any problems with the virii.

> I guess I like more the Dr. Web Scanner, which I already downloaded and
> installed. It was more like guessing where to click because I don't have
> any russian language support on my system. Yet. ;-)

Well, glad you managed it:-)

> Alex: I would like to call Dr. Web after I downloaded a file with GetRight.
> Can you tell me the switches how I can tell GetRight to call Dr. Web for
> this specific downloaded file?! Thanks a lot in advance!

Actually, if you run Spider it will do it automatically, no extra 
steps needed. And since Spider uses the same virus database 
file as the Dr.Web program itself, no problems are forseen...

OTOH, if you prefer not to run Spider, you can apparently have 
GetRight automatically call Dr.Web after each download. In my 
own copy of GetRight (it's version 3.2) it's done on the 
Preferences-->Advanced tab. There you can enter the path to 
Dr.Web executable: either the GUI one (drweb32w.exe) or the 
console one (drwebwcl.exe). Thus on each download Dr.Web 
will be launched with the downloaded filename as the 
parameter. This does the trick. If you furthermore need some 
kind of notification like
filename : tested -- OK
apart from the Dr.Web standard "negative" report (it reports 
infected, but just says nothing about all the rest by default) 
you'll probably need to specify this or that commandline switch 
together with the name of Dr.Web's executable. The 
information on the commandline switches supported is available 
from the online help of the program (it's in English).

> Until now I find Dr. Web fast and efficient (he recognized my three viruses
> on a floppy significant faster then Inoculate...

Dr.Web has always been one of the fastest scanners available. 
It uses it's own algorithm of checking files. This results in the 
situation when it needs even less time to scan your whole HDD 
_with_ all the possible bells and whistles (like heuristic analysis 
and deep scan) then, say, NAV _without_ these options...

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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 26 Dec 99, at 8:01, tracer wrote
about "Re[2]: SOT: Y2K and possible virus ":

Okay, this happened to become a lo-o-o-ng message, so to 
those who aren't interested in Dr.Web: just skip it. Nothing TB-
related inside:-)

> On install it seems to hang for ages. However its working to
> make certain files for each of your hard disks, so let it go.

Seems to depend on the overall HDD space. I have much fewer 
of it currently then you say you do, hence different results:-)

> The main module, dr Web, has an English switch in the main menu.
> Spider has English switch via the bar, right click.

BTW, Spider isn't designed for NT. It won't be installed if you 
run NT. It's supposed to start to support NT in the future. Right 
now, one might use Adinf under NT instead of Spider.

> The third module, ie the Dos box which can pop up with warnings,

it's drwebwcl.exe, CLI version of the program.

> has a setting (I think) in Drweb32.ini, which is in the drweb
> directory.
> [DOS]
> LngFileName="Russian.DWL"

Just tested: delete this line, and it will switch to English:-) Sorry 
for inconvenience, but I told you it was an offer for *Russians*:-
) Time to learn Russian, yeah?

> Now having been to the website, to see whats on offer on has to go to
> the Russian site and there is a release document 40 mentioned.
> Following that link one sees this whole offer described and while not
> perfectly clear there is also mendtioned ADINF which as far as I
> understand is ALSO on free offer.

Yes.

> I know Alex doesnt seem to use it, I do (g)

Correct. Didn't evem d/l it.

> Now this in my opinion is quite an interesting and useful part of the
> whole package as it checks every time what files where

Adinf is a separate program. It's made by the people other then 
the Dr.Web team. While I *do* trust Dr.Web programmers, I 
personally don't trust Adinf team much (a couple of years ago 
this proggy used to be quite... well, buggy). Since given the 
current power of Spider I don't need it, I keep refusing to 
check how it works now. They say, it's pretty good when Word-
Macro attacks are concerned, but alas I don't use Word, too:-)

> Anyway, I hope this helps others, as a product its recommended.
> But you have to be able to read it (g)  as I totally hung my system by
> pressing the wrong button on that dos box.

Seems to be solved now:-)

> What is not clear to me though as I donot see it mentioned anywhere,
> is if this special version has to be  registered as a downloaded  free
> copy or if one can just keep using it. Ie, does one apply for a
> special key??

As for Dr.Web, this "christmas" version will work _literally_ 
forever, it doesn't require any kind of key and has no timelimits 
built in. But note, that Dr.Web team releases *new* executable 
about once in every 1.5 months, so in February this version will 
no longer be the fresh one:-) Nevertheless, it will *still support* 
the (always free) virus database updates *even then*. The 
vendors release these updates weekly usually, then, when the 
new version is released, these updates together with the old 
main database form fresh "main virus database", which's 
released together with the new version of the executables. After 
that the "cycle" is repeated, i.e., new updates are released and 
so on. So if you are not interested in the new features/fixes the 
new versions of executables contain, you can safely d/load 
only the updates (for free:-)). The format of the 
database/updates isn't changed from version to version, hence 
the older versions work well with the virus updates intended for 
newer ones.

Well, hope you understood all this:-) Means, you can use the 
program for free from now on:-))

As for the Adinf, I really don't know. Have to check this out for 
you. But tomorrow:-)

> That needs someone (Alex ??) who can read Russian properly!
> My experience is 35 years old from my university period and alas was more
> math/physics and chemistry papers reading oriented.
> 
> Other thing it may mention somewhere but I donot see sofar is that
> every time you update the dignatures, a pair of files is added and
> that if the basic database of the program changes all the updates it
> doesnt need anymore as they are in the base, will get flagged as not
> being able to be loaded during start. Its in the logs...

I've explained this above. Provided that they don't change the 
format of databases, the updating process looks like:

version 1.15 with main virus database
- an update to the virus database (single file, usually a 
couple of kbytes,  that's put to the same directory and is 
autoloaded by the program on startup)
 - another update it's weekly
...
version 1.16 with it's own main database, which's in fact the
database of 1.15 plus all the updates to that one that were 
released sofar
 - again weekly updates.. till version 1.17:-)

So if you *pay* them for 1.16 when it's released, you'll

Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 25 Dec 99, at 19:04, tracer wrote
about "Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus pro":

> Alexander> ftp://ftp.DialogNauka.ru/dsav/russian/2000/!drw32ry.exe
> Alexander> ftp://ftp2.DialogNauka.ru/dsav/russian/2000/!drw32ry.exe
> Alexander> ftp://ftp3.DialogNauka.ru/dsav/russian/2000/!drw32ry.exe

> I have a few questions: Any idea if the thing likes in this
> Russian version English windows??? I use the normal English
> version and while I mnaged to reinstall this Russian version I
> now get a few path errors during boot I still have to check
> out. 

Isn't the case here. In my opinion, it couldn't be caused by 
DrWeb:-)

> Secondly, its kind of annoying to be only anle to read the part where
> it chooses where to install program but absolutely no options
> selected. As normal in cases like this I intend to use the defaults if
> I cannot read  the choices.

It's all right to install in in the default way: by default, it installs 
everything but the DOSish version.

> Thirdly you could have warned that during the install the program
> doesnt seem to do anything for a long time except whirl the hard
> disks.

Really? Didn't notice this also...

> AFter reboot its all in Russian which on my system is kind of
> unreadable... 

Second menu item from the right is "Language".

Again, FYI: help file is in English:-)

> Anyway, I select English option but the spider is still
> in Russian and I see no way to switch that.

Have you rightclicked the Spider tray icon?:-)

> Advice welcome since you can seen the letters..

See above:-)

> Another intriguin thing is the part for ftp. It asks logon
> and password. Is this something one can get via the website?? 

If you haven't password, you just leave the options there as 
they are. On updating, it will grab all the free updates 
automatically.

OTOH, if you are the registered user, you have to change the 
FTP url *and* specify the password. Then it will grab anything 
they have on ftp for money (_including_ new releases of the 
executables)...

> Essentially i wonder if maybe it would be better to stick  my old
> spider back in! In English!!

Get it! The newer Spider is much better IMHO:-)

> For the rest I agree, sofar the program (in the English
> version) has behaved extreemly well. It gives alarms on
> restarting downloads (as it should) as obviously writing to
> files is a virus activity.. 

I told you it's the BEST!

BTW, DialogNauka has the most recent Adinf for free, too 
(same license terms as with Dr.Web). The link is available at 
the Russian page of their server

> As mentioned, is selecting default choices when installing it a WISE
> choice or doesnt it do anything you cannot change later after program
> is setup.

It's all right. Actually, I installed everything, since I use DOSish 
version, too:-)

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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[tracer]

Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:52:27 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, December 24, 1999, 9:52:27 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

Alexander> Hello all.
Just found that the dos banners if it finds something suspicious are
also still in Russian and unreadable...
The thing hung my system as I likely pressed the wrong button!

best wishes,
happy New year to all.
tracer



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Re: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems

[tracer]

Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:52:27 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, December 24, 1999, 9:52:27 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

Alexander> Hello all.

Alexander> FYI:
Alexander> DialogScience, inc. have made their latest version of virus 
Alexander> scanner (Dr.Web 4.15 "Christmas Gift") free for personal use. 
Alexander> The offer expires on January, 14 (this is the New Year as 
Alexander> celebrated by the Russian Orthodox Church). The URL is:

Alexander> ftp://ftp.DialogNauka.ru/dsav/russian/2000/!drw32ry.exe
Alexander> ftp://ftp2.DialogNauka.ru/dsav/russian/2000/!drw32ry.exe
Alexander> ftp://ftp3.DialogNauka.ru/dsav/russian/2000/!drw32ry.exe
I have a few questions:
Any idea if the thing likes in this Russian version English windows???
I use the normal English version and while I mnaged to reinstall this
Russian version I now get a few path errors during boot I still have
to check out.

Secondly, its kind of annoying to be only anle to read the part where
it chooses where to install program but absolutely no options
selected. As normal in cases like this I intend to use the defaults if
I cannot read  the choices.

Thirdly you could have warned that during the install the program
doesnt seem to do anything for a long time except whirl the hard
disks.
LET IT GO..

AFter reboot its all in Russian which on my system is kind of
unreadable... Anyway, I select English option but the spider is still
in Russian and I see no way to switch that.
Advice welcome since you can seen the letters..

Another intriguin thing is the part for ftp. It asks logon and
password.
Is this something one can get via the website??

Essentially i wonder if maybe it would be better to stick  my old
spider back in! In English!!

For the rest I agree, sofar the program (in the English version) has
behaved extreemly well.
It gives alarms on restarting downloads (as it should) as obviously
writing to files is a virus activity..


Alexander> Possible problems for non-Russian-speakers: although the 
Alexander> program itself offers both English and Russian GUIs, the 
Alexander> installer comes in Russian only. Should be no problem of 
Alexander> course:-). In fact, this is due to the fact that this gift was 
Alexander> apparently intended for the Russian audience (nevertheless, 
Alexander> the license states that not only Russians, but all the rest too, are 
Alexander> granted the right to use the program for free).
As mentioned, is selecting default choices when installing it a WISE
choice or doesnt it do anything you cannot change later after program
is setup.

with thanks,  and

Best regards,
 
tracer

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