Re: [Texascavers] NSS Business pages
Ok! Thanks everyone. Results indicate that the NSS site does use "cookies" and just 'hopping over the fence' doesn't grant everyone access to the business page. I guess its good to see that their web coordinator is quite competent. I do however miss the point as to why the information is protected. (But better to be secure than promiscuous, I guess.) -WaV On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Don Cooper wrote: > I hope I'm not committing an impropriety or violating the NSS's trust, but > would someone who is NOT a current NSS member (and who has had no NSS member > using their computer to access the caves.org website) please try and > access the NSS business pages with this URL? > http://www.caves.org/nss-business/index.php > Please report. > -WaV > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Philip L Moss wrote: > >> Alex and all: >> I have to agree with Mixon on this one. Even if other organizations >> don't put their budget, agenda, and minutes online for the public to see, >> that is no reason for us not to do so. >> >
[ot_caving] OT - sleep apnea
As an honorary life-member of the Sleep Apnea Association, http://www.sleepapnea.org/ I would like to thank Geary for the recognition. My hall-mates in my college dorm ( Dunn Hall ) on several occasions hit the sideboard of my bed with a golf club at 3 in the morning to wake me up. They said their previous attempts were unsuccessful. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] computer news
Charles, In 1990, I was working for a respectable engineering company that had computers doing drafting ( Intergraph ).They were powered by a mainframe, using a language by DEC. I wanted to impress the IT guy, and was trying to learn as much about it as I could. Fortunately, this guy was pretty smart.He said "David, take my advice.The stuff we have here is crappy junk and will be obsolete, before you know it." I thought he just didn't have the patience to work with me. But I am glad I listened to him. Because, since leaving that company I have never seen such a system. Ever since then when some new computer thing came out, I was impressed, but not as excited. I feel like most of my computer knowledge is useless. Companies don't care what I used to know.They only care about what I can do with the software that they have on their computers. They all seem to want years of experience with AutoCAD 2008, when most companies are just now getting around to buying it. The dilema is you can't get the experience unless you have the job. David
[ot_caving] a new crank powered LED flashlight
Snap-On Tools is getting on the LED wagon. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31IBM4OVTtL._SL500_.jpg This flashlight looks like something good to have during and after a hurricane. It puts out a lot of light for a crank-powered flashlight. It even has an emergency siren, and claims to recharge electric gadgets like cell-phones. It is $ 40 at Ace Hardware. Hopefully someday, this crank technology will become more practical. Wouldn't it be great if we had a giant crank at our house drawn by the power of a mule or burro, just enough to power the light bulbs in the house.Or maybe hire someone to ride a bicycle type device that would power the TV, and a hairdryer.Teenagers could pay their way thru college riding the bicycle or jogging on a treadmill. Presuming you could find a reliable teenager who has a strong work ethic. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] TSS work session
Cavers,
There is a scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas
Speleological Survey December 10th, at the JJ Pickle Research Center on
Burnet Road north of highway 183. We will file exchange copies of
newsletters from all over the country and continue to update electronic
files updated by Assistant Data Managers. Come by and see if you would like
to organize one of our cave rich counties. If you attend, you will be able
to work on your own projects as well. The door will be open at 5:00 p.m.
and stay open till we adjourn.
The TSS office phone is 475-8802 if you get lost or stopped by the guard.
Remember it is best to arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not
let you in! If you have questions or problems, please contact me at
ronra...@austin.rr.com or call my cell phone (512.797.3817) or go to
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm for additional
information.
Ron Ralph
Cell: 797-3817
Map to the place is at: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/ On PRC map 2 ("NW
Area"), 18-A is the little building just above the "ra" in "Granberry". Park
to the south in the PETEX lot across the street (Read Granberry Trail) from
building 18-A
RE: [Texascavers] NSS Business pages
I tried and could not get anywhere. Ron _ From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:25 PM To: Philip L Moss Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] NSS Business pages I hope I'm not committing an impropriety or violating the NSS's trust, but would someone who is NOT a current NSS member (and who has had no NSS member using their computer to access the caves.org website) please try and access the NSS business pages with this URL? http://www.caves.org/nss-business/index.php Please report. -WaV On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Philip L Moss wrote: Alex and all: I have to agree with Mixon on this one. Even if other organizations don't put their budget, agenda, and minutes online for the public to see, that is no reason for us not to do so. Personally, I find this a very tiresome argument. I often hear that we are the "premier" caving organization (and this in spite of the NSS used as a negative example of cave management by the US Fish and Wildlife service in the not-too-distant past). Does that mean we strive to be no better than other conservation organizations?
Re: [Texascavers] NSS Business pages
I hope I'm not committing an impropriety or violating the NSS's trust, but would someone who is NOT a current NSS member (and who has had no NSS member using their computer to access the caves.org website) please try and access the NSS business pages with this URL? http://www.caves.org/nss-business/index.php Please report. -WaV On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Philip L Moss wrote: > Alex and all: > I have to agree with Mixon on this one. Even if other organizations > don't put their budget, agenda, and minutes online for the public to see, > that is no reason for us not to do so. Personally, I find this a very > tiresome argument. I often hear that we are the "premier" caving > organization (and this in spite of the NSS used as a negative example of > cave management by the US Fish and Wildlife service in the > not-too-distant past). Does that mean we strive to be no better than > other conservation organizations? >
[Texascavers] [Guanoslide Etymology]
Ahhh, now we're getting somewhere. Good job, Don. --Ediger At 12:26 AM 12/6/2008, Don Arburn wrote: I'm no linguist or wordsmith and I prolly got it all wrong but this seemed fun, and so I tried: Guano (from the Quechua 'wanu', via Spanish) is the excrement (feces and urine) of seabirds, bats, and seals.[1] The word "guano" originates from the Quichua language of the Inca civilization and means "the droppings of sea birds". Incas collected guano from the coast of Peru for use as soil enricher. The Incas assigned great value to guano, restricting access to it and punishing any disturbance to the birds with death.[3] Wanu slide (sl d) [Middle English sliden, from Old English sl dan.] 1. A mass movement of earth, rocks, snow, or ice down a slope. Slides can be caused by an accumulation of new matter or of moisture in the overlying material, or by erosion within or below the material. They are often triggered by an earthquake or other disturbance such as an explosion. Sliden to Wanusliden or Guano Slide -OR- Root: lab-, laps- English: slide, slipLatin: labi, lapsus Lab+wanu = Labwanu Laps+wanu = Lapswanu Wanusliden Labwanu Lapswanu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] NSS Business pages
Alex and all: I have to agree with Mixon on this one. Even if other organizations don't put their budget, agenda, and minutes online for the public to see, that is no reason for us not to do so. Personally, I find this a very tiresome argument. I often hear that we are the "premier" caving organization (and this in spite of the NSS used as a negative example of cave management by the US Fish and Wildlife service in the not-too-distant past). Does that mean we strive to be no better than other conservation organizations? There are three good reasons, in my opinion, for NSS business to be open to everyone. 1) Prospective members might want to check out what we actually do. How we spend our money is where the rubber meets the road. 2) As a 501(c)3, we are considered a tax-supported entity by the IRS and it is proper that the public be able to inspect our financial process and expenditures. 3) By not putting this information in an easily accessible place, it suggests that we have something to hide. It is also not much of a firewall. Anyone who knows an NSS member can pretty much put an NSS number with a corresponding zip code. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2gGUy5R4DmwKiCczKyAtawUlKGVc5kGOldtStlhiKdKtxlt/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: NSS dues going up
Mixon said: >Some idiot has put the NSS bylaws in a place on the NSS web site that can >be visited only if you're already a member, though. The two- and three-year >old and new rates can be found in the minutes of the November 2008 >Board of Governors meeting. Of course, those are also inaccessible unless >you're already a member Why is that stuff secret? The reason for the recently-erected 'firewall' that asks you to sign in with your NSS number and zip code is nothing more than a gentle reminder that the internal affairs of the NSS are just that -- appropriate to its members, and not to the general public. Availability of the minutes, officer reports, and fiscal information is a privilege of membership, not a public right. Has anyone tried to find the minutes of the meetings for, say, BCI or the Sierra Club online?? The firewall only protects the business index page, which has links to all the other business pages. None of that stuff is secret; if you know the URL, you can go right to it. In fact, the Bylaws and Constitution, the Current Personnel page, and annual reports, among others, are available to anyone via links on the "About the NSS" page, which is accessible directly from the home page. A link to the Board Manual is on the "NSS Organization" page. You can also find most anything you want by using a Google search, and we've even provided a search box dedicated to the business pages. But thanks, Bill, for getting the word out about taking advantage of present dues rates before they go up. The EC and BOG should be touting that, too, but you know how proactive they are... And FWIW, when adjusted for inflation, the new dues rates are still cheaper than they were in the '60's. Alex, aka Some Idiot - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
