Re: [ubuntu-in] Translating Ubuntu-Manual into Tamil
Kudos to you and your team Shrini! Excellent work in the making!! :) Regards, Archish On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote: > Friends. > > Today, we from Kanchipuram Linux User Group started translating the > Ubuntu-Manual into tamil. > > Here is the snapshot on the event. > http://kanchilug.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/translating-ubuntu-manual-into-tamil/ > > -- > Regards, > T.Shrinivasan > > > My experiences with Linux are here > http://goinggnu.wordpress.com > > For Free and Open Source Jobs > http://fossjobs.wordpress.com > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
Hi, On 24 March 2010 22:56, Amarendra Kumar wrote: > No big deal huh.. I will put it back on the right. And I will start liking > the new logos and design elements I hope. And there will be Arch in my > system now, replacing fedora. This time I think I should try sth other than > Gnome (not KDE). > I'd love to see some reviews on the current state of the Enlightenment project. E17 and gOS 2.0 had done a lot of things beautifully about two years ago, and I spent quite a few comfortable and happy months in that environment. You might want to try it out if it still has a decent support base. There's one thing about the 2 big DEs, KDE and GNOME, which is the wide range of utility applications that exist for them, which make our life easier. I can't live without things like K/Glipper, Amarok and the keyboard shortcuts (yes, I can get used to new ones over a period of a month, but it's still time consuming and confusing at the beginning). Would like to hear the views of other list members on this thread. It's been just 4-5 of us over the last 3 or so days on this thread. Ninad S. Pundalik http://twitter.com/ni_nad http://ninadpundalik.co.cc/blog GPG Key Fingerprint: 2DF7 B856 C75E C9F9 0504 C0EF D456 1946 7C45 2C69 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
No big deal huh.. I will put it back on the right. And I will start liking the new logos and design elements I hope. And there will be Arch in my system now, replacing fedora. This time I think I should try sth other than Gnome (not KDE). On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan < ashutoshrish...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mark Shuttleworth said that the next Ubuntu will have something > good on the right hand side. Right now there is the extra options to > move the windows from one workspace to the other and all that. But > hopefully they will get something good. I want a zeitgeist activity > journal integrated there. But lets hope for something better. > -- Amarendra Kumar Final Year Undergraduate Dept. of IT, NIT Patna http://amarendra.web.officelive.com "Stay hungry, stay foolish" -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Fwd: Free the fish
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > Just in case folks are interested in more easter eggs and how to stop them > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: Free the fish > To: "Ramnarayan.K" > > Hi Ram. > > I didn't know about "free the fish", but it turns out that it's a GNOME > easter egg, not an Ubuntu one per se. It is a gnome-panel feature, i.e. > it doesn't spawn any extra processes. > > http://www.koders.com/c/fidAE30711B15FF187E3B1087F51EA27C38E34218E4.aspx?s=%22free+the+fish%22#L306 > >> but how does one stop it, ?? > > Heh heh. Hit Alt+F2 and run "gnome-panel --replace". > >> I >> and what are all these strange things doing in the code > > Lots of easter eggs. Rather too many, in my opinion. :-) > >> are they all eggs, and can i make them work ?? > > Yes, they are, but they may not all be in the version of gnome-panel > that you are running. I tried just now on another machine, and it > recognised only "free the fish" and "gegls from outer space". > > Anyway, to try it, just hit Alt+F2 and type in (exactly) the phrase in > the double-quotes in each of the strcmp() calls. > *** Thanks. The fish was getting boring. I am gonna try and add a new gif animation to the panel applet 'Fish' and see if the fish in "free the fish" also gets replaced. Its the same fish. > enjoy > ram > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- Ashutosh Rishi Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM, bkd.jdk wrote: > On Tuesday 23 March 2010 12:33 PM, K Ramnarayan wrote: >> Hi >> >> This isn't exactly a poll but thought that it would be good to know what >> people would choose if they had to move away from Ubuntu. >> >> Before saying anything i want to put this on record. Ubuntu is one of the >> best >> distro's i have ever used. , its ease in installation, responsiveness to >> multitude of hardware, the incredibly large and varied repositories, the very >> decent derivatives (Mint, Ultimate etc) . The huge forum and support. >> Basically i like it very much >> >> Over the recent months there has been a lot of chatter about minor and maybe >> not so minor aspects. >> >> First there was the dropping and inclusion of different programmes (e.g. >> GIMP) >> not big things but when many small things add up they become to big. > (OT) > These changes may seem small, but they are really big ones. Especially > the 'window buttons on the left' one. I really don't understand it, they > shouldn't add such changes in an LTS release. If they would want to > experiment, they can experiment in Lucid+1. >> Then there is this >> Ubuntu is not a democracy, Mark Shuttleworth >> >> Sounds crazy saying it like that but to read what he had to say check out >> >> Mark Shuttleworth: "This is not a democracy" >> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-is-not-democratic.html >> >> and some related discussions >> >> http://www.osnews.com/story/23039/Kicking_in_Open_Doors_Open_Source_Is_Not_a_Democracy >> >> and >> >> http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not- >> democracy?source=smlynch >> > Well, Ubuntu has become very big and that's all because of it's > community. Not because of Canonical. There are people who spend nights > contributing to Ubuntu, just for the sake of the community and Canonical > is now completely ignoring them. In my opinion there should be some kind > of open poll before making big changes that would affect the whole > community, but no why will they do it, "Ubuntu is not a democracy" ya > know :) > Well thats what he meant. Kind off. The kernel team decides the kernel because they are the ones who work on it. No one else can vote for their decisions because they have the merit of packing the kernel. The design team contribute to design and no one outside their team decides upon the design because they spend nights contributing to it. That sounds like a professional way to manage things. On a personal note, I am completely OK with the buttons on the left. In fact I had them on the left even before Canonical decided to (my reason was because mac has it and mac > windows.. stupid reason though ). Plus, now I am used to it and sometimes feel weird using the buttons on the right in MS Windows (I have the opposite problem). What I reason to myself is that: 1) Canonical's design is new, it does not imitate mac (mac has the opposite order) nor does it imitate windows. That is bad if you look at it in terms of user migration from windows to ubuntu. But people migrate to mac too from their windows and adapt well to it. So ubuntu has something unique. 2) Mark Shuttleworth said that the next Ubuntu will have something good on the right hand side. Right now there is the extra options to move the windows from one workspace to the other and all that. But hopefully they will get something good. I want a zeitgeist activity journal integrated there. But lets hope for something better. -- Ashutosh Rishi Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[ubuntu-in] Fwd: Free the fish
Just in case folks are interested in more easter eggs and how to stop them -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Free the fish To: "Ramnarayan.K" Hi Ram. I didn't know about "free the fish", but it turns out that it's a GNOME easter egg, not an Ubuntu one per se. It is a gnome-panel feature, i.e. it doesn't spawn any extra processes. http://www.koders.com/c/fidAE30711B15FF187E3B1087F51EA27C38E34218E4.aspx?s=%22free+the+fish%22#L306 > but how does one stop it, ?? Heh heh. Hit Alt+F2 and run "gnome-panel --replace". > I > and what are all these strange things doing in the code Lots of easter eggs. Rather too many, in my opinion. :-) > are they all eggs, and can i make them work ?? Yes, they are, but they may not all be in the version of gnome-panel that you are running. I tried just now on another machine, and it recognised only "free the fish" and "gegls from outer space". Anyway, to try it, just hit Alt+F2 and type in (exactly) the phrase in the double-quotes in each of the strcmp() calls. *** enjoy ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 12:33 PM, K Ramnarayan wrote: > Hi > > This isn't exactly a poll but thought that it would be good to know what > people would choose if they had to move away from Ubuntu. > > Before saying anything i want to put this on record. Ubuntu is one of the > best > distro's i have ever used. , its ease in installation, responsiveness to > multitude of hardware, the incredibly large and varied repositories, the very > decent derivatives (Mint, Ultimate etc) . The huge forum and support. > Basically i like it very much > > Over the recent months there has been a lot of chatter about minor and maybe > not so minor aspects. > > First there was the dropping and inclusion of different programmes (e.g. > GIMP) > not big things but when many small things add up they become to big. (OT) These changes may seem small, but they are really big ones. Especially the 'window buttons on the left' one. I really don't understand it, they shouldn't add such changes in an LTS release. If they would want to experiment, they can experiment in Lucid+1. > Then there is this > Ubuntu is not a democracy, Mark Shuttleworth > > Sounds crazy saying it like that but to read what he had to say check out > > Mark Shuttleworth: "This is not a democracy" > http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-is-not-democratic.html > > and some related discussions > > http://www.osnews.com/story/23039/Kicking_in_Open_Doors_Open_Source_Is_Not_a_Democracy > > and > > http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not- > democracy?source=smlynch > Well, Ubuntu has become very big and that's all because of it's community. Not because of Canonical. There are people who spend nights contributing to Ubuntu, just for the sake of the community and Canonical is now completely ignoring them. In my opinion there should be some kind of open poll before making big changes that would affect the whole community, but no why will they do it, "Ubuntu is not a democracy" ya know :) > ** > There are many reasons to use Linux and one of them, for me, is not to be > told > what to do by a corporation. Sure Canonical is not the new M$, i doubt it can > ever become that. (hope not) > > But what makes me uncomfortable is the extent of control Canonical is > exerting > over its user base. Many Linux folks , now, are first time linuxers changed > over from Other OS' mainly because of Ubuntu. > > So not debating the specifics of Mark Shuttleworth's comments and the > reactions > and the interpretations, I am getting an uneasy feeling. That maybe just > maybe > we are becoming Ubuntu dependent and too complacent. > > I can walk blindfolded through a typical Ubuntu install and its subsequent > setup of additional programmes, tweaking programmes to work like they should > for me. Knowing what repos to add to get exactly what software and where to > source software (tuxwire, zyware). > > I cannot be happier with what i have. But what if we need to move to a freer > system. Are there any other distro's out there. Sure there are 600 plus many > of them with a passionate user base and with its attendant problem. > > My questions are how would people feel about trying out a distro other than > Ubuntu (specially first time users), in fact have first time linux Ubuntu > users > tried other distro's and what do they feel. > First time users would definitely feel lost when trying out distro's other than Ubuntu. But, I guess the first time users would not care much for the community or democracy/meritocracy (whatever that Mark said). They will just use Ubuntu as an alternative to Windows or Mac's, they won't try out other distro's imho. > (...) > > My other question is how many of us dual boot a second linux OS and is your > secondary OS as well set as your primary, are you comfortable with it, under > all conditions. > I triple boot Vista+XP+Ubuntu and I try out other distro's (like openSUSE) in virtualbox. I've been a long time Linux user (6+ years), but after using Ubuntu, I still don't feel 'at home' using other distro's. Mainly because I've become more equipped with the workings of Ubuntu and I don't really want to spend time 'learning' the workings of a new distro. > My 3rd question is what would you suggest people try as a fall back option in > case people want to try and alternative. > I'd suggest using Debian. Mainly because Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian and the workings of the two distro's are similar (like, the package manager, which most people love, including myself :)). Or Fedora is also a good alternative for new users. > My suggestions are Pardus, Mandriva, OpenSuse, Fedora, Knoppix > Others have suggested Arch Linux > > The few times in the recent past when i tried another distro i very quickly > reverted back to Ubuntu, since i was uncomfortable around my system but now i > think its worth exploring an alternative in great earnest. > > look forward to reactions > > ram > > -- ubuntu-in mailing li
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
2010/3/24 Mallikarjun : >> openmoko is an example, as there are others. > > (off topic) > I dint like the example, the reason being, I had owned Openmoko, > Operating system (2009 feb version I had used, I guess) not even > usable, most important features like wifi, GPS dont work most of the > times. OS Suspends and never resume. In around 2 months of esteemed > ownership, atleast 60 times I have reinstalled OS. lol > What value does it add by have total control over hardware? > Good to know, since you are an openmoko owner / user you are the better person to speak about it. For me the idea sounds quite good. On another front we have access to a open source hardware design for a solar charge controller. here's a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] OT - laptops in the 20 K range
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > Thanks, > > replies inline > > 2010/3/24 Mallikarjun : >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Ramnarayan.K >> wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Need to get two laptops, Linux Compatible, reliable and with the basic >>> features in the 20 K to 25 K range. >> >> You mean GNU/linux compatible or GNU/linux preinstalled? >> > Linux compatible, will install my flavour after getting it, unless > there is a difference in price, in which case i can take even an > unformatted hd :-) I am quiet certain that there is a cost difference but not a huge margin. But the thing is, Y should one has to pay for the operating system which he/she is quiet sure not going to use it? hence I guess Linux pre-installed is more of open way Unformatted boxes are seldom sold, as the profit margin is less for the vendors. > > ram > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan > wrote: >> Macintosh is really good. Open source is amazing. But amazing is not >> in the comparative degree. Apple has one of the most closed systems. >> But their system is amazing. It is managed will amazing efficiency. > > One reason why macs are so efficient is because they have complete > control over hardware and software and they have no need to make the > Mac OS work with anything that is not from their stable. > Also, Don't ever forget that Mac OS is based on rock solid BSD's, being a major factor > That way even Wincedows is a bit better , atleast they are not > restricting anyone in choice of hardware, the fact that most hardware > would be Wincedows compatible is another matter. > > Imagine if Opensource folks had control over the device and the > software - it would be wow. And i thing in the phone segment that is > what is happening > > openmoko is an example, as there are others. (off topic) I dint like the example, the reason being, I had owned Openmoko, Operating system (2009 feb version I had used, I guess) not even usable, most important features like wifi, GPS dont work most of the times. OS Suspends and never resume. In around 2 months of esteemed ownership, atleast 60 times I have reinstalled OS. lol What value does it add by have total control over hardware? > > @ all > One reason for the mail was to provoke debate ;-) > > i would like to repeat i really like Ubuntu and what they have done > to Linux, basically make it accessible. And in a way life is easier > because i know how it works. > > ram > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan wrote: > Macintosh is really good. Open source is amazing. But amazing is not > in the comparative degree. Apple has one of the most closed systems. > But their system is amazing. It is managed will amazing efficiency. One reason why macs are so efficient is because they have complete control over hardware and software and they have no need to make the Mac OS work with anything that is not from their stable. That way even Wincedows is a bit better , atleast they are not restricting anyone in choice of hardware, the fact that most hardware would be Wincedows compatible is another matter. Imagine if Opensource folks had control over the device and the software - it would be wow. And i thing in the phone segment that is what is happening openmoko is an example, as there are others. @ all One reason for the mail was to provoke debate ;-) i would like to repeat i really like Ubuntu and what they have done to Linux, basically make it accessible. And in a way life is easier because i know how it works. ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Free the fish
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:23 PM, K Ramnarayan wrote: > Hi > > Am sure many of you already know about the easter egg in Ubuntu called "free > the fish" > > if not try this > > open a terminal with Alt + F2 > type in "free the fish" without the quotes > > its quite nice. > > However i have a question, any idea how this programme runs. > > I checked the processes and cannot make out anything unusual I know! I thought it would stop after sometime but it kept coming while I was watching a movie :P > ram > -- Ashutosh Rishi Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] OT - laptops in the 20 K range
Thanks, replies inline 2010/3/24 Mallikarjun : > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: >> Hi >> >> Need to get two laptops, Linux Compatible, reliable and with the basic >> features in the 20 K to 25 K range. > > You mean GNU/linux compatible or GNU/linux preinstalled? > Linux compatible, will install my flavour after getting it, unless there is a difference in price, in which case i can take even an unformatted hd :-) ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[ubuntu-in] Free the fish
Hi Am sure many of you already know about the easter egg in Ubuntu called "free the fish" if not try this open a terminal with Alt + F2 type in "free the fish" without the quotes its quite nice. However i have a question, any idea how this programme runs. I checked the processes and cannot make out anything unusual ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] OT - laptops in the 20 K range
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote: > Hi > > Need to get two laptops, Linux Compatible, reliable and with the basic > features in the 20 K to 25 K range. You mean GNU/linux compatible or GNU/linux preinstalled? Dell vostro laptops are good I guess, but I am not sure about price(may be around 30) I have great experience with dell laptop (XPS) > > Not looking for netbooks. > > Any suggestions , will be appreciated and as always look forward to > personal experiences with devices. > > thanks > ram > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, K Ramnarayan wrote: > Hi > > This isn't exactly a poll but thought that it would be good to know what > people would choose if they had to move away from Ubuntu. > > Before saying anything i want to put this on record. Ubuntu is one of the best > distro's i have ever used. , its ease in installation, responsiveness to > multitude of hardware, the incredibly large and varied repositories, the very > decent derivatives (Mint, Ultimate etc) . The huge forum and support. > Basically i like it very much > > Over the recent months there has been a lot of chatter about minor and maybe > not so minor aspects. > > First there was the dropping and inclusion of different programmes (e.g. GIMP) > not big things but when many small things add up they become to big. > > Then there is this > Ubuntu is not a democracy, Mark Shuttleworth > > Sounds crazy saying it like that but to read what he had to say check out > > Mark Shuttleworth: "This is not a democracy" > http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-is-not-democratic.html > > and some related discussions > > http://www.osnews.com/story/23039/Kicking_in_Open_Doors_Open_Source_Is_Not_a_Democracy > > and > > http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not- > democracy?source=smlynch > > ** > There are many reasons to use Linux and one of them, for me, is not to be told > what to do by a corporation. Sure Canonical is not the new M$, i doubt it can > ever become that. (hope not) > > But what makes me uncomfortable is the extent of control Canonical is exerting > over its user base. Many Linux folks , now, are first time linuxers changed > over from Other OS' mainly because of Ubuntu. > > So not debating the specifics of Mark Shuttleworth's comments and the > reactions > and the interpretations, I am getting an uneasy feeling. That maybe just maybe > we are becoming Ubuntu dependent and too complacent. > > I can walk blindfolded through a typical Ubuntu install and its subsequent > setup of additional programmes, tweaking programmes to work like they should > for me. Knowing what repos to add to get exactly what software and where to > source software (tuxwire, zyware). > > I cannot be happier with what i have. But what if we need to move to a freer > system. Are there any other distro's out there. Sure there are 600 plus many > of them with a passionate user base and with its attendant problem. > > My questions are how would people feel about trying out a distro other than > Ubuntu (specially first time users), in fact have first time linux Ubuntu > users > tried other distro's and what do they feel. I guess it is quiet hard for any Ubuntu user to move to some other distro, as Ubuntu is the most polished GNU/linux which I can think of. But any other distro out there has same Desktop environment (GNOME), only think we can ever miss is the polishness and not the underlying system. Best alter I can think of is Ubuntu's parent Debian. > > I started of with fedora 1 and went through a variety and can make another > distro do to my bidding. > > My other question is how many of us dual boot a second linux OS and is your > secondary OS as well set as your primary, are you comfortable with it, under > all conditions. I think. few years ago people were comfortable, but not anymore with all the full OS virtualization tools like Virtualbox OSE. Everything is easy in a virtual world, isn't it? > > My 3rd question is what would you suggest people try as a fall back option in > case people want to try and alternative. Pass > > My suggestions are Pardus, Mandriva, OpenSuse, Fedora, Knoppix > Others have suggested Arch Linux > > The few times in the recent past when i tried another distro i very quickly > reverted back to Ubuntu, since i was uncomfortable around my system but now i > think its worth exploring an alternative in great earnest. > +1, I also tried many operating systems like Fedora, Debian, FreeBSD, Solaris ... But only Ubuntu had the taste I wanted (or may be addiction). I am trying out FreeBSD in my virtual environment, hope to make the switch to some OS which is completely community driven. > look forward to reactions > > ram > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
