Re: Meeting reminder - today at 1600 UTC
* Tollef Fog Heen [...] http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20070816_1555.html is the summary with actions. http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.log.20070816_1555.html is the complete log. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - today at 1600 UTC
On 8/16/07, Rhoads, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 8/16/07, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Please also post your spec status updates to this list before the > >> meeting starts so we can have a short meeting instead of a two-hour > > > > Status of two specs: > > - mobile-kernel > > - mobile-thermal-optimisations > > > > > Done: > > - ATA_PIIX patch for Menlow > > [RobR] Just double confirming that this is in fact the libata patch, > correct? Yes. I meant libata ofcourse. /Amit -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Meeting reminder - today at 1600 UTC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 8/16/07, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Please also post your spec status updates to this list before the >> meeting starts so we can have a short meeting instead of a two-hour > > Status of two specs: > - mobile-kernel > - mobile-thermal-optimisations > > Done: > - ATA_PIIX patch for Menlow [RobR] Just double confirming that this is in fact the libata patch, correct? > - Added existing WLAN drivers back to config > - DRM patch for Poulsbo integrated and enabled in config > > WIP: > - Integrating SDIO patches for Menlow (by tomorrow) > - Revert back to using ATA_PIIX in UME flavour (by tomorrow) > - Integrating Dabney thermal optimisation patches (next week) > - integrating Marvell 8686 WLAN driver (started feasibility study) > Thanks, -RobR -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - today at 1600 UTC
* Tollef Fog Heen | Please also post your spec status updates to this list before the | meeting starts so we can have a short meeting instead of a two-hour | one where people spend a lot of time waiting. (As we agreed on in the | last meeting.) Development environment: we now have a ubuntu-mobile-dev task and package in the archive. It currently only gives you libtelepathy-dev, which while a good start is a bit too little. I'm going to expand it a bit over the next week. Packaging cleanup: Ongoing effort; nothing particularly interesting to report. Build infrastructure: The lpia bootstrap is going quite well, we just recently unblocked lots of the hildon libraries which have failed to build due to a bug in glib. I'm looking at possibly having lpia images built from the archive next week. We also need to add (non-public) images containing proprietary flash and similar bits. Those won't be publically available since we can't distribute them, but just having them built daily would be useful. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - today at 1600 UTC
On 8/16/07, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please also post your spec status updates to this list before the > meeting starts so we can have a short meeting instead of a two-hour Status of two specs: - mobile-kernel - mobile-thermal-optimisations Done: - ATA_PIIX patch for Menlow - Added existing WLAN drivers back to config - DRM patch for Poulsbo integrated and enabled in config WIP: - Integrating SDIO patches for Menlow (by tomorrow) - Revert back to using ATA_PIIX in UME flavour (by tomorrow) - Integrating Dabney thermal optimisation patches (next week) - integrating Marvell 8686 WLAN driver (started feasibility study) /Amit -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 17:34 +0300, Amit Kucheria wrote: [...] > > This kernel should use CONFIG_NO_HZ; it looks like that's already part of > > our generic kernel though? > > Yes. It is in the base config now. I suppose CPU_IDLE also which it's not part of the standard kernel yet. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
On 7/6/07, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 05:17:23PM +0300, Amit Kucheria wrote: > > UME config > > -- > > 1st draft of the UME config was done by Kyle. I will do a second pass > > today. > > We should have an initial configuration for the UME configuration by > > tomorrow. > > Thanks for the update. > > > An overview of changes in the 1st draft: > > > > 1. Turn off APM > > 2. Turn off SMP support > > 3. Remove support for majority of SCSI, PCMCIA drivers > > 4. Remove support for majority > > of Arcnet, Ethernet, ISDN, ATM, old WLAN drivers. > > 5. Remove support for non-Intel AGP/DRM/Video/FB/Soundcard drivers > > 6. Added Poulsbo patches > > This kernel should use CONFIG_NO_HZ; it looks like that's already part of > our generic kernel though? Yes. It is in the base config now. /Amit -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 05:17:23PM +0300, Amit Kucheria wrote: > UME config > -- > 1st draft of the UME config was done by Kyle. I will do a second pass > today. > We should have an initial configuration for the UME configuration by > tomorrow. Thanks for the update. > An overview of changes in the 1st draft: > > 1. Turn off APM > 2. Turn off SMP support > 3. Remove support for majority of SCSI, PCMCIA drivers > 4. Remove support for majority > of Arcnet, Ethernet, ISDN, ATM, old WLAN drivers. > 5. Remove support for non-Intel AGP/DRM/Video/FB/Soundcard drivers > 6. Added Poulsbo patches This kernel should use CONFIG_NO_HZ; it looks like that's already part of our generic kernel though? -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
Tollef Fog Heen escreveu: > * Matt Zimmerman > > | > We are going to start bringing in the startup scripts to see how to start > | > X and hildon on the device itself. > | > | Where will these bits live? In hildon-desktop? > > Unsure. They live in osso-af-startup in maemo, which is on the list > of things to ignore for now. We might want to bring that in now; > Adilson? I started talking to Rusty about that as he did some work at this already but I had to stop due the last things that came up. I'll return to that today. []s Adilson. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
* Matt Zimmerman | > We are going to start bringing in the startup scripts to see how to start | > X and hildon on the device itself. | | Where will these bits live? In hildon-desktop? Unsure. They live in osso-af-startup in maemo, which is on the list of things to ignore for now. We might want to bring that in now; Adilson? | > == mobile-image-creation == | > | > The implementation here is coming along quite nicely, but we need to | > work out how to build the package, as this currently requires root | > access and all the Ubuntu builds are done as non-root users. | | Why does it require root? If it's because it ships a pre-built | chroot, perhaps that could be built separately (like the livefs | image), especially since it will be updated out of sync with the | builder. Yes, it ships a pre-built chroot which is built as part of the package build process. I was also thinking about doing something like the livefs images. | > The other problem is how to handle the initramfs creation. | | What's the issue here? project-builder doesn't know how to create them. I am not entirely sure what the problem is, since it should just be grabbing the initramfs from the bootstrapped image. | > == mobile-ui == | > | > Control panel is not there yet, but the UI as such is moving in the | > right direction, and a «big-icon» UI is already working. The bits | > which are just configuration changes should be split out into its own | > package rather than changing the default configuration in the | > packages. | > | > Bob Spencer is to push the newer code to launchpad. | | Is there initial packaging for this already, or is that pending? Pending any code, I believe this should be mostly a copy of the already existing theme packages and starting to package anything before we know the shape of it is hard. | > We want to make daily (or nightly) builds of ubuntu mobile happen | > now. | | Indeed. I outlined earlier on the list what I thought were the | steps in order to get this done; do you agree with them? Are there | any other blockers I should be aware of? Yes, I believe those steps are enough and I am not aware of any more blockers. | One item for which I don't think we have a spec dedicated is the | list of existing apps to be found, evaluated, packaged and included | in ubuntu-mobile to meet functional requirements. Adilson has begun | working on the first stages of this. I think it would be wise to | create a spec, if only to hold the list of applications pending, | have a place to collect comments, and track the overall status of | working through the list (it doesn't need to be detailed). Agreed. I also rescued the mobile keyboard specification (which ubuntu-mobile wasn't subscribed to, so it escaped me). This needs writing up; I'll follow up on that. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
On 7/4/07, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: == mobile-kernel == Poulsbo patches and the first UME configuration is going into the next kernel upload. Amit Kucheria is taking over as Canonical's kernel person on the mobile project. Any kernel patches (such as the updated graphics DRM/DRI modules) should go to the kernel team, even if they are part of other specifications. UME config -- 1st draft of the UME config was done by Kyle. I will do a second pass today. We should have an initial configuration for the UME configuration by tomorrow. An overview of changes in the 1st draft: 1. Turn off APM 2. Turn off SMP support 3. Remove support for majority of SCSI, PCMCIA drivers 4. Remove support for majority of Arcnet, Ethernet, ISDN, ATM, old WLAN drivers. 5. Remove support for non-Intel AGP/DRM/Video/FB/Soundcard drivers 6. Added Poulsbo patches == power-management-in-ubuntu, mobile-power-thermal-optimzations == Those two go hand in hand. Amit and Intel engineers (Todd, maybe more?) to write up the spec and decide what should go in there. I have not had a chance to start the spec for power management yet. I will do this tomorrow based on the wiki pages for Power management policy created by Intel. Regards, Amit -- Amit Kucheria, Linux developer -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 03:47:40PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > Notes from the meeting: Thanks very much for these updates. > = Spec status = > > == mobile-app-framework == > > Adilson and Tollef have worked on bringing in more fixes, mostly > packaging related. There are a bunch of 32-bit-isms in the code, so > we recommend using a 32 bit chroot for now. Agreed; we're on a tight schedule, and there's little value in hunting these bugs when our target platforms are all 32-bit. > We are going to start bringing in the startup scripts to see how to start > X and hildon on the device itself. Where will these bits live? In hildon-desktop? > == mobile-image-creation == > > The implementation here is coming along quite nicely, but we need to > work out how to build the package, as this currently requires root > access and all the Ubuntu builds are done as non-root users. Why does it require root? If it's because it ships a pre-built chroot, perhaps that could be built separately (like the livefs image), especially since it will be updated out of sync with the builder. > The other problem is how to handle the initramfs creation. What's the issue here? > == mobile-kernel == > > Poulsbo patches and the first UME configuration is going into the next > kernel upload. Amit Kucheria is taking over as Canonical's kernel > person on the mobile project. Any kernel patches (such as the updated > graphics DRM/DRI modules) should go to the kernel team, even if they > are part of other specifications. Adilson indicated that the kernel should be available Friday. > == mobile-ui == > > Control panel is not there yet, but the UI as such is moving in the > right direction, and a «big-icon» UI is already working. The bits > which are just configuration changes should be split out into its own > package rather than changing the default configuration in the > packages. > > Bob Spencer is to push the newer code to launchpad. Is there initial packaging for this already, or is that pending? > == mobile-mediaplayer == > > Spec not started, but Bob to have it written up by next meeting. > Implementation is coming along and it's able to play music now. Nice. Will this be pushed to Launchpad soon as well? What about packaging? Is the Helix player in the archive sufficient for testing? > We want to make daily (or nightly) builds of ubuntu mobile happen > now. Indeed. I outlined earlier on the list what I thought were the steps in order to get this done; do you agree with them? Are there any other blockers I should be aware of? One item for which I don't think we have a spec dedicated is the list of existing apps to be found, evaluated, packaged and included in ubuntu-mobile to meet functional requirements. Adilson has begun working on the first stages of this. I think it would be wise to create a spec, if only to hold the list of applications pending, have a place to collect comments, and track the overall status of working through the list (it doesn't need to be detailed). -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Meeting reminder - Today at 1600 UTC
Notes from the meeting: = Spec status = == mobile-app-framework == Adilson and Tollef have worked on bringing in more fixes, mostly packaging related. There are a bunch of 32-bit-isms in the code, so we recommend using a 32 bit chroot for now. We are going to start bringing in the startup scripts to see how to start X and hildon on the device itself. == mobile-image-creation == The implementation here is coming along quite nicely, but we need to work out how to build the package, as this currently requires root access and all the Ubuntu builds are done as non-root users. The other problem is how to handle the initramfs creation. == mobile-kernel == Poulsbo patches and the first UME configuration is going into the next kernel upload. Amit Kucheria is taking over as Canonical's kernel person on the mobile project. Any kernel patches (such as the updated graphics DRM/DRI modules) should go to the kernel team, even if they are part of other specifications. == mobile-ui == Control panel is not there yet, but the UI as such is moving in the right direction, and a «big-icon» UI is already working. The bits which are just configuration changes should be split out into its own package rather than changing the default configuration in the packages. Bob Spencer is to push the newer code to launchpad. == mobile-window-manager == The spec is now approved and source code has been imported, but it's not been uploaded yet. Tollef to upload. == mobile-graphics == Bryce to review the spec and give comments on it. Implementation is coming along with an alpha-quality 2D driver which Charlie is to provide Bryce with for integration into the regular builds. == mobile-browser == Spec is in review. Bob is working with Alexander Sack on getting an initial branch set up and get new chrome and theme going. == mobile-utilities == Coming along well; spec needs to be approved. If new control panel applets show up that we need, they should either be included in the spec or get new specs (depending on their size). == mobile-usb-client == Discussion on the list about this; needs a fair bit of updating for it to be approved. Implementation status somewhat unknown. == mobile-mediaplayer == Spec not started, but Bob to have it written up by next meeting. Implementation is coming along and it's able to play music now. == mobile-build-infrastructure == No progress; Tollef to follow up on some internal issues. == mobile-hw-decode == Spec approved; can already decode MPEG2 and moving on to VC1 and h264. Eventually going to do H264 encoding as well. Would be nice to have gstreamer support too, but Helix is what we are targetting so far. == mobile-gnome-components == Tollef got the spec and is to check which components are actually in, and which need to be brought in to be «GMAE compliant». == mobile-overview informational == Adilson and Tollef to clean up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded == mobile-development-environment == We need an ubuntu-mobile-dev package. Spec needs review and approval, which Tollef is to provide. This will not cover drivers, it will be an SDK kind of package used for developers who want to write applications for the platform. It should include some documentation or pointers to documentation for vendors, etc, who want to write drivers and other addons. == mobile-maemo-packaging-cleanup == Progressing well, packages are becoming quite a lot better already. == power-management-in-ubuntu, mobile-power-thermal-optimzations == Those two go hand in hand. Amit and Intel engineers (Todd, maybe more?) to write up the spec and decide what should go in there. = Plans for next week = We might have a location-related spec (think GPS-es) next week, depending on the team. We want to make daily (or nightly) builds of ubuntu mobile happen now. = Sprint plans = * Make sure to take a good, long look at the whole stack and see if there is anything we have missed. * Intel to bring menlow hardware for testing. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
