[Bug 431832] [NEW] euca_conf --register-sc returns success even though it fails

2009-09-17 Thread Soren Hansen
Public bug reported:

This transcript says it all:

so...@aalborg2:~$ sudo euca_conf --register-sc sc1 localhost
  CloudVersion1.6-devel/CloudVersion
Adding SC localhost to cluster sc1
http://127.0.0.1:8773/services/Configuration?AWSAccessKeyId=WKy3rMzOWPouVOxK1p3Ar1C2uRBwa2FBXnCwAction=RegisterStorageControllerHost=localhostName=sc1Port=8773SignatureMethod=HmacSHA256SignatureVersion=2Timestamp=2009-09-17T14%3A46%3A15.000ZVersion=eucalyptusSignature=fDaaYGb+kpCrzs1Nb3h/QQ3RuzWYbBn/e9XBkM0CkZU=
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?soapenv:Envelope 
xmlns:soapenv=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/;soapenv:Bodysoapenv:FaultfaultcodeConfiguration/faultcodefaultstringStorage
 controllers may only be registered with a corresponding Cluster of the same 
name.  No cluster found with the name: 
sc1/faultstringdetail/detail/soapenv:Fault/soapenv:Body/soapenv:Envelope
SUCCESS: new SC for cluster 'sc1' on host 'localhost' successfully registered.
so...@aalborg2:~$ sudo euca_conf --register-sc dk-north-1 localhost
  CloudVersion1.6-devel/CloudVersion
Adding SC localhost to cluster dk-north-1
http://127.0.0.1:8773/services/Configuration?AWSAccessKeyId=WKy3rMzOWPouVOxK1p3Ar1C2uRBwa2FBXnCwAction=RegisterStorageControllerHost=localhostName=dk-north-1Port=8773SignatureMethod=HmacSHA256SignatureVersion=2Timestamp=2009-09-17T14%3A49%3A36.000ZVersion=eucalyptusSignature=MbTT5W3MHyQDvDQzcfd0pZJJYVsRqhJSb6xqmr3viiU=
euca:RegisterStorageControllerResponse 
xmlns:euca=http://msgs.eucalyptus.ucsb.edu;euca:RegisterComponentResponseeuca:ConfigurationMessageeuca:correlationIdc28e6517-8586-4057-b467-2220496679d1/euca:correlationIdeuca:userIdadmin/euca:userIdeuca:effectiveUserIdeucalyptus/euca:effectiveUserIdeuca:_returntrue/euca:_return/euca:ConfigurationMessage/euca:RegisterComponentResponse/euca:RegisterStorageControllerResponse
SUCCESS: new SC for cluster 'dk-north-1' on host 'localhost' successfully 
registered.

First time, an error is returned from the cloud controller saying that
the sc name needs to match a cluster name, but euca_conf claims success.

 affects ubuntu/eucalyptus
 importance medium
 status triaged

** Affects: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Medium
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[Bug 431847] [NEW] Registering images gives 403 Forbidden

2009-09-17 Thread Soren Hansen
Public bug reported:

When trying to register a kernel image, I get this in my
cloud-output.log:

15:09:52  WARN PipelineRegistry | = More than one candidate pipeline.  
Ignoring offer by: internal-query-pipeline-Eucalyptus of type 
InternalQueryPipeline
com.eucalyptus.ws.AuthenticationException: Message has expired.
at 
com.eucalyptus.ws.handlers.QueryTimestampHandler.incomingMessage(QueryTimestampHandler.java:108)
at 
com.eucalyptus.ws.handlers.MessageStackHandler.handleUpstream(MessageStackHandler.java:115)
at 
com.eucalyptus.ws.handlers.MessageStackHandler.handleUpstream(MessageStackHandler.java:116)
at 
com.eucalyptus.ws.server.FilteredPipeline$StageBottomHandler.handleUpstream(FilteredPipeline.java:171)
at 
com.eucalyptus.ws.server.NioServerHandler.messageReceived(NioServerHandler.java:111)
at 
org.jboss.netty.handler.stream.ChunkedWriteHandler.handleUpstream(ChunkedWriteHandler.java:114)
at 
org.jboss.netty.channel.Channels.fireMessageReceived(Channels.java:385)
at 
org.jboss.netty.handler.codec.replay.ReplayingDecoder.unfoldAndfireMessageReceived(ReplayingDecoder.java:459)
at 
org.jboss.netty.handler.codec.replay.ReplayingDecoder.callDecode(ReplayingDecoder.java:443)
at 
org.jboss.netty.handler.codec.replay.ReplayingDecoder.messageReceived(ReplayingDecoder.java:381)
at 
org.jboss.netty.channel.Channels.fireMessageReceived(Channels.java:342)
at 
org.jboss.netty.channel.Channels.fireMessageReceived(Channels.java:329)
at org.jboss.netty.channel.socket.nio.NioWorker.read(NioWorker.java:330)
at 
org.jboss.netty.channel.socket.nio.NioWorker.processSelectedKeys(NioWorker.java:282)
at org.jboss.netty.channel.socket.nio.NioWorker.run(NioWorker.java:203)
at 
org.jboss.netty.util.internal.IoWorkerRunnable.run(IoWorkerRunnable.java:53)
at 
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1110)
at 
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:603)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)


And this on the command line:
so...@aalborg2:~$ euca-register kernel/vmlinuz-$(uname -r).manifest.xml  --debug
Warning: failed to parse error message from AWS: unknown:1:0: syntax error
EC2ResponseError: 403 Forbidden
Failure: 403 Forbidden

This is on a fresh install. It's the first image I'm attempting to add.

 affects ubuntu/eucalyptus
 importance high
 status triaged
 tag eucalyptus

** Affects: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
 Importance: High
 Status: Triaged


** Tags: eucalyptus

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[Bug 431847] Re: Registering images gives 403 Forbidden

2009-09-17 Thread Soren Hansen
This seems to be timezone setting related. I fiddled around with my
timezone settings and it suddenly worked. I'm not sure if it's
eucalyptus or euca2ools at this point.

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[Bug 431847] Re: Registering images gives 403 Forbidden

2009-09-17 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-9.10-beta

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[Bug 431090] Re: libvirt apparmor profile is preventing libvirt from running eucalyptus VMs

2009-09-17 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-9.10-beta

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[Bug 430093] Re: Eucalyptus 403 Forbidden when trying to run instance

2009-09-17 Thread Soren Hansen
This happens also on fresh installs of 1.6~bzr746-0ubuntu3.

** Summary changed:

- Eucalyptus 403 Forbidden when trying to run instance after package upgrade
+ Eucalyptus 403 Forbidden when trying to run instance

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-9.10-beta

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[Bug 429754] Re: Instance fail to run

2009-09-16 Thread Soren Hansen
Etienne, could you check the the node controller is running as the
eucalyptus user and that the eucalyptus user is a member of the libvirtd
group? Also, does /var/run/eucalyptus exist on the node controller?

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Incomplete

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[Bug 425926] Re: Eucalyptus 'Store' tab requires appliance store proxy package

2009-09-16 Thread Soren Hansen
Does it fail gracefully in the absence of the proxy service?

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[Bug 425928] Re: Eucalyptus CC package depends on 'vtund' process in multi-cluster mode

2009-09-16 Thread Soren Hansen
Just to get this on record:

Why is layer two tunneling needed? Does EC2 allow direct ethernet
communication between instances? Is that why we're doing it? Or is this
related to AoE?

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[Bug 425928] Re: Eucalyptus CC package depends on 'vtund' process in multi-cluster mode

2009-09-16 Thread Soren Hansen
My testing on EC2 suggests that direct ethernet communication across
availability zone boundaries is not possible. For the record, I added an
extra IP address (192.168.10.1 and .2) to eth0 on each host, and added
an arp entry for the other host on each of them, and tried to ping. No
luck.

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[Bug 430841] Re: after package install of eucalyptus-cloud, walrus, sc, only cloud service is loaded

2009-09-16 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = New

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-9.10-beta

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[Bug 425914] Re: [FFe] CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default

2009-09-15 Thread Soren Hansen
In SYSTEM mode, Eucalypus connects instances to the existing LAN by way
of a bridge, and relies on existing networking infrastructure (DHCP
servers, DNS, etc.) to run them. This is a very basic mode of operation,
and is somewhat limited. In MANAGED(-NOVLAN) you get all the bells and
whistles Eucalyptus has to offer: EBS, Elastic IP's, the user-data and
meta-data service, etc. So much for the rationale.

In order to get into MANAGED(-NOVLAN) mode, Eucalyptus needs to have a
dedicated subnet for its instances. I've added debconf questions to get
networking information from the admin and changed a bit of logic along
the way to make Eucalyptus use these settings. In this mode, Eucalyptus
will run a  few extra services, which will only be exposed to
Eucalyptus' internal subnet.

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[Bug 251480] Re: X hangs in Intrepid in KVM

2009-09-15 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: kvm (Ubuntu Hardy)
 Assignee: Soren Hansen (soren) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 429086] Re: [karmic UEC] file /usr/share/eucalyptus/antlr.jar belongs to eucalyptus-cloud and eucalyptus-java-common, complicating package upgrade

2009-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
Good catch, Etienne. I'll fix that straight away.

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[Bug 429086] Re: [karmic UEC] file /usr/share/eucalyptus/antlr.jar belongs to eucalyptus-cloud and eucalyptus-java-common, complicating package upgrade

2009-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
I've added Replaces: eucalyptus-cloud to eucalyptus-java-common, so both
should be taken care of.

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[Bug 425914] Re: CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default

2009-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = karmic-alpha-6

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[Bug 424541] Re: When installing a node controller, a bridge device should be created

2009-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
I think dhcp is fine.

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[Bug 425914] Re: [FFe] CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default

2009-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
** Summary changed:

- CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default
+ [FFe] CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default

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[Bug 425914] Re: [FFe] CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default

2009-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = New

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[Bug 425908] Re: Eucalyptus Cloud Controller, Walrus and Storage controller services are all in one package, should ideally be split into three

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
You did not list usr/sbin/eucalyptus-cloud. Is that shared among all of
them or is it specific to eucalyptus-cloud?

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[Bug 425922] Re: Eucalyptus component registration process is manual

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Soren Hansen (soren) = Colin Watson (cjwatson)

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[Bug 119075] Re: Root password policy for mysql

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
As far as I can tell, this has been fixed since Gutsy.

** Changed in: mysql-dfsg-5.0 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 119075] Re: Root password policy for mysql

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
As far as I can tell, this has been fixed since Gutsy.

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[Bug 338865] Re: eucalyptus-cc package does not set default network parameters

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 425914 ***
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** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 425914
   CC and NC networking mode is set to 'SYSTEM' by default

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[Bug 386463] Re: vm-builder images and configuration files should not be world readable

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: vm-builder (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Soren Hansen (soren) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: vm-builder (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Canonical Security Team (canonical-security)

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[Bug 342054] Re: 'eucalyptus-cc stop' does not kill the eucalyptus dhcpd3 process

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: eucalyptus (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress = Triaged

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[Bug 87168] Re: sed script masks php compile options

2009-09-08 Thread Soren Hansen
I'd like to know the following exactly what you are trying to do (i.e.
how I can reproduce this).

I don't see how the trick used to avoid building twice is to blame for
anything here. Please enlighten me :)

** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Soren Hansen (soren) = (unassigned)

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Re: Cant make --firstlogin option work.

2009-07-24 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 02:52:27PM +0200, Jarl Friis wrote:
 On my Jaunty 9.04 server box I follow the description on
 https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/jeos-and-vmbuilder.html
 
 I use a login.sh that contains:
 --
 echo Your appliance is about to be finished to be set up.
 echo In order to do it, we'll need to ask you a few questions,
 echo starting by changing your user password.
 
 passwd
 --
 
 The result is strange.

Did you ever solve this issue?

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Re: Call-for-Testing: KVM-84 Backport

2009-06-25 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:31:42PM -0600, Tim Gardner wrote:
 You know that I'm pretty close to uploading a 9.04 server kernel to
 Hardy proposed, don't you?
 
 https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-karmic-new-kernel-on-lts

I did not know this, no. Fascinating. Will there be a corresponding
linux-meta-karmic such that I could install linux-server-karmic or
similar and have that depend on the most recent backported kernel?
Otherwise, how will ABI breaking security updates be handled?

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Re: Apropos bonding ifenslave

2009-06-24 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:36:13AM -0400, Carlos A. Carnero Delgado wrote:
 In the previous LTS release (8.04) ifenslave was not a part of the
 base system, that is, not available from the installation CD.

Sure it is. It's been there since Ubuntu Server Edition was introduced
in Dapper. The package name is ifenslave-2.6.

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Re: work around for loading qlogic fibre channel card firmware in initramfs

2009-06-18 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 03:46:18PM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 with a little digging and experimentation, I've figured out that the
 file in the hooks directory probably has to be made executable, and I
 think this might be close to what needs to go in the hooks file (I
 called mine /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/qlogic_firmware):
 
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 cp /lib/firmware/ql2200_fw.bin ${DESTDIR}/lib/firmware/
 cp /lib/udev/rules.d/50-firmware.rules ${DESTDIR}/lib/udev/rules.d/
 
 However this does not work, the files do not get copied into the initrd
 image.

Did you run update-initramfs -u after adding your hook to
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Re: Interface bonding

2009-06-18 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:14:03AM +0100, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
 I originally had the line:
 post-up ifenslave bond0 eth0 eth1
 replaced with:
 slaves eth0 eth1 
 
 However did not get consistent operations.

That is the recommended way to set up bonded interfaces. If it does not
work as intended, that's a bug we need to fix. Can you file a bug on
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[Blueprint ebox] Ebox in Ubuntu

2009-06-08 Thread Soren Hansen
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[Blueprint ubuntu-easy-business-server] Ubuntu Easy Business Server

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[Bug 237460] Re: Root on iscsi is not supported

2009-05-25 Thread Soren Hansen
To clarify, the disk-detect problem is that the open-iscsi-udeb isn't
loaded until *after* the loop that goes around looking for (physical)
disks runs. Incidentally, that loop does an exit 10 if there are not
local disks at all, so the open-iscsi-udeb never gets loaded if the
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[Bug 271777] Re: Exit status 127 when starting openvpn when its already started.

2009-03-26 Thread Soren Hansen
** Also affects: openvpn (Ubuntu Hardy)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 328445] Re: [Jaunty/amd64] Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.

2009-02-12 Thread Soren Hansen
Which agent, exactly? ssh-agent, gpg-agent (which under some
circumstances also provides an SSH agent) or seahorse?

** Changed in: openssh (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 323755] Re: non-trivial building mysql source package, build test keeps failing, (open)ssl related

2009-02-01 Thread Soren Hansen
It's not just you :)

The builds on the buildd's fail as well:

https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/mysql-
dfsg-5.0/5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu4

They seem to fail due to SSL failures in the test suite.

** Changed in: mysql-dfsg-5.0 (Ubuntu)
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Re: vmbuilder documentation question

2008-12-15 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:17:28AM +1800, Kent Tenney wrote:
 Well, so far I haven't been successful in building a vm with a working
 bridge, so I blame both for my failure.

Did you sort this out in the end?

If not, what you're doing is that you're changing the template for the
XML domain definition for libvirt, but you're not using libvirt. You
should be passing e.g. to vmbuilder --libvirt qemu:///system.

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Re: vmbuilder questions

2008-12-15 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:33:27PM +0100, Lionel Porcheron wrote:
 Your modification of the tmpl file is wrong. You should have:
 interface type='bridge'
   source network='default'/
   source bridge='br0'/
 /interface

Er... No.

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Re: Apport for servers?

2008-11-28 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 05:24:25PM +, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 I like to install and enable apport on my servers, so that if a daemon
 crashes, it leaves behind a crash file with the relevant state which I
 can use for analysis and reporting the bug.
 
 I think this functionality should continue to be disabled by defaul in
 stable releases, but what do you think about including apport in the
 server install so that 1) we get the benefits of crash reporting for
 pre-release development, and 2) administrators can trivially enable
 it?

It seems perfectly reasonable to me. Apport already has an understanding
of system users:

$ /usr/share/apport/apport-checkreports -h
Usage: apport-checkreports [options]

Options:
  -h, --helpshow this help message and exit
  -s, --system  Check for crash reports from system users.

It applies the LSB interpretation of system user (uid  500) rather
than the Debian ditto (uid  1000), though, but that's a minor detail.

For notifications, apport's README.Debian suggests a .bashrc snippet,
but I think we should consider some or all of:

 * Attempt to send an e-mail to the root user about the crash.
 * Have landscape-sysinfo tell about it.
 * Add a Nagios plugin to warn about it. 

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[Bug 302004] Re: Please add a samba-dev package

2008-11-25 Thread Soren Hansen
Which package needs these?

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[Bug 302004] Re: Please add a samba-dev package

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This is interesting. I've never heard of Samba being able to do anything
like this. What's the configuration directive for it (so that I can dig
up a bit of info about the it all)?

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[Bug 302004] Re: Please add a samba-dev package

2008-11-25 Thread Soren Hansen
My primary concern is this:

Since the API isn't published nor stable you'd have to have a strict
versioned dependency on the samba version against which your package is
built. This is not a problem in itself, but it becomes one if someone
has your package installed, and we publish a security update for Samba.
Given the strict versioned dependency, samba will not be upgraded until
your package has been rebuilt against the new samba version and
subsequently published (since staying with an old samba version is
considered more acceptable to apt than removing your package).

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[Bug 299886] Re: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-common_5.0.22-0ubuntu6.06.11_all.deb (--unpack)

2008-11-19 Thread Soren Hansen
Looks like a dpkg problem to me.


** Changed in: dpkg (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: mysql-dfsg-5.0 = dpkg

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[Bug 192599] Re: GDM support for domain choice

2008-11-12 Thread Soren Hansen
** Also affects: gdm (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 293567] Re: can't install mysql-server due to unmet dependencies

2008-11-04 Thread Soren Hansen
Could you provide the output of:

apt-cache policy

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[Bug 276292] Re: Metapackages for virtual flavour are missing

2008-10-02 Thread Soren Hansen
plz to applai

(feel free to change the versioning to your liking)

** Attachment added: linux-meta-virtual.diff
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[Bug 276292] Re: Metapackages for virtual flavour are missing

2008-10-02 Thread Soren Hansen
Now with better sections..

** Attachment removed: linux-meta-virtual.diff

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Re: [Bug 89364] Re: Apache2 default site contains only the words It works!

2008-09-30 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:56:39AM -, Noah Slater wrote:
 Does anyone feel like forwarding this suggestion to Debian?
 How about forwarding to Apache, where the bug is still WONTFIX.

Even better.

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Re: Creating a encrypted directory during the server installation

2008-09-29 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:37:01PM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote:
 I've did some work implementing /dev/random in GNU Hurd (yes, yes, I
 know :-P). Static bootups are fairly constant, i.e., poor source of
 entropy, so that is a major problem. However, it might be possible to
 have the user provide or generate entropy (maybe a friendly message
 such as Ubuntu needs to generate entropy to encrypt your files,
 please bang on the keyboard like a monkey), or the ability to provide
 a private key from another source like a USB key or something.

Package: randomsound
Description: ALSA sound card related entropy gathering daemon
 Using the low order bit of the ADC output of your sound card,
 randomsound gathers entropy, debiases it and offers it up to your
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Re: [Bug 89364] Re: Apache2 default site contains only the words It works!

2008-09-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 09:02:00PM -, Loye Young wrote:
 quote
 
 IT WORKS!
 
 This is the default web page for this server.
 
 The fact that you see this page means that the host computer is booted up,
 the web server software is running, and the networking between your computer
 and the host computer is functioning properly.
 
 If this page is not what you expected, there are many possible causes. Check
 with the owner or administrator of the server for more information.
 
 /quote

Hm... I kind of like that, actually :)

Does anyone feel like forwarding this suggestion to Debian?

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Re: [Bug 89364] Re: Apache2 default site contains only the words It works!

2008-09-25 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 04:11:03PM -, Alec Wright wrote:
 My idea for it works page replacement:

 The replacement page should have the ubuntu theme and should say
 something along the lines of congratulations, your apache2 web server
 is working! for more information and help visit (link to somewhere on
 help.ubuntu.com). If you want to remove this page, simply delete the
 files: (list here) in your web directory

This is not going to happen.

That page used to have a standard text that explained that the user has
correctly set up their Apache server and a bit of text about what the
Apache project was.  This was changed to the simple It works page,
because it used to cause bug reports, e-mail threats, etc.  etc.  from
people who had failed to set up their server correctly, saw something
about Apache (without really reading the text of it) and drew the
conclusion that some Apache group had hacked their server, with which
they then went on to convey their dissatisfaction in less than
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Re: about di-live (Re: TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances)

2008-09-15 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 04:22:01PM +0300, Liraz Siri wrote:
 I'm not sure I understand this.. Is it a live cd or is it
 installable?  If both, how is this achieved? Do you choose at boot
 whether you want to run a live cd or to install, or do you have a new
 mechanism for installing from a live system running from a live cd
 (since I presume ubiquity won't work from a console)?
 It's actually both.

This looks very interesting indeed. Could you join us on freenode in
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Re: TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

2008-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 01:39:56AM +0300, Liraz Siri wrote:
 * Packaged as an installable Live CD (I.e., bootable ISO) that can run
 on real hardware in addition to most types of virtual machines.

I'm not sure I understand this.. Is it a live cd or is it installable?
If both, how is this achieved? Do you choose at boot whether you want to
run a live cd or to install, or do you have a new mechanism for
installing from a live system running from a live cd (since I presume
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Re: ufw package integration

2008-09-05 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 11:31:27AM +1000, Chris Martin wrote:
 Not listening is sufficient - that is the point
 Having a firewall that is automatically updated as packages are installed is
 dangerous.  This is similar to UPnP and not the right way to do security
 
 By having all packages automatically update the firewall - you may as well
 not have a firewall
 
 Just because a HTTP server is installed it doesn't mean that it should be
 accessible.  The decision to open the firewall should be a separate action
 
 Often packages get installed that are only intended to be accessed via a
 single interface on machines with multiple interfaces or via local host ONLY
 
 It really defeats the purpose of having a firewall if the ports are opened
 automatically

Unless I'm much mistaken here, all that's being discussed is *closing*
ports when you uninstall the package that owned the ports in question.

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Re: Universe Server Packages

2008-09-04 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:49:45PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 As part of the motu-release team, I've been given delegate authority to grant 
 feature freeze exceptions for Universe server packages.  I need to provide a 
 list.  I've got some decent ideas for the mail server part of the pile, but 
 would appreciate inputs from others.
 
 What's the list of packages from Universe that we get bugs on in 
 #ubuntu-server?

IIRC, uvirtbot is subscribed to the ubuntu-server-bugs list, so the
packages on 

   https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs

are the ones whose bugs that get announced in #ubuntu-server.
Additionally, bugs against packages on

https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+packagebugs

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powernowd in server seed

2008-09-04 Thread Soren Hansen
Hi, guys!

I'm considering adding powernowd to the server seed, which means that it
will be installed by default on server installs (unless you choose the
minimal install method located in the Modes menu (press F4 to see it
at the bootsplash)).  If the installed kernel supports the ondemand
scaling governor, powernowd's init script simply tells the kernel to use
that. If for some reason the kernel doesn't support this, it falls back
to the userspace governor, spawns a daemon that monitors cpu usage and
adjusts cpufreq accordingly. The win, of course, is that you'll save
power, money, and the rain forest. :)

Unless anyone objects, I'll file an FFe for this change, or at least
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Re: ufw package integration

2008-09-04 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:58:40AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 I would say leave the ports open and leave the profile files.  Leave
 it up to the user to manage the firewall.  If the package is removed,
 it's not going to be listening on those ports any more anyway.

If not listening was sufficient, there'd be little point in having a
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Re: powernowd in server seed

2008-09-04 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:24:01AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 I'm considering adding powernowd to the server seed, which means that
 Will this automatically load the necessary driver modules, too? 

Yes.

 On Hardy I have to manually add 'acpi_cpufreq' and 'cpufreq_ondemand'
 to /etc/modules in order to get the ondemand governor available.

The powernowd init script loads all the modules in

/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/cpufreq,

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Re: Ubuntu JeOS

2008-09-02 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:13:42PM +1000, Marcus Young wrote:
 there was an error in postgresql-8.3-main.log along the lines of
 unable to load root.crt.  After commenting out ssl=true in
 postgresql.conf the error went away.  The only error in the log now
 seems to be incomplete startup packet which I think is related to
 the client rather than the server?  With DNS, I just did some simple
 pings to localhost and hostname.domain.  I noticed that the Avahi mDNS
 deamon starts just before postgresql. 

This sounds mostly like a postgresql bug. Have you reported it on
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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-09-02 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:02:13PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 patch
 screen
 This is in desktop, not standard.  A good candidate for the server
 seed.
 I've added both of these to the server seed now that it exists.

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Re: Ubuntu JeOS

2008-09-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:27:49PM +1000, Marcus Young wrote:
 I am not sure that this is the right list for this question?  I have
 just been working on developing a simple java application appliance
 (vmware) using Ubuntu JeOS.  The application runs against PostgreSQL.
 So:   

 I built a JeOS server, updated and upgraded, installed Java 1.5 and
 Openssl and then installed Postgresql.  The issue is that the database
 seems to error during the start up process.  That is the boot screen
 lists the state as fail rather than ok.  However, if I logon and
 give it a few seconds it appears to have started correctly.  I thought
 that it may have something to do with DNS lookups or certs (there were
 errors in the logs) but have eliminated these possibilities.  

How did you eliminate these possibilities?

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Re: [Bug 196806] Re: Increase default memory_limit for php

2008-08-27 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 06:13:05AM -, ewanm89 wrote:
 and any admin that has had his server have digg/slashdot effect also
 knows that this can manage to fill up 4GB of memory in a few seconds.

Err.. No. This is a per-interpreter limit. Not a global limit for all
apache processes put together.

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Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-27 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:22:18PM -0600, Sam Howard wrote:
 Thanks for the follow up ... I suspected that you had just typeo'd
 your example scenario, but wanted to clarify it for me and everyone
 else following along.

Sure. Thanks for catching it and pointing it out.

 I hear you. All my servers are, in fact, remote. I'm however in the
 happy situation that if a machine fails to come online after a
 reboot, I can boot up a RAM-based rescue system from whence I can
 diagnose the system. I realise you might not be as fortunate.
 I'd like to hear more about this ... your own, proprietary, or open
 source, or ???

Not my own. It's offered by my hosting provider. They have a web
interface, from whence I can reboot the system,  either sending a
ctrl-alt-delete or by pressing the reset button. Both happen
automatically. I have no idea how they implement it. On that
webinterface, I can also choose to have my server boot a rescue system
the next time it starts up. This presumably sets up their DHCP server to
offer this RAM based system to my server, which then goes on to PXE
boot. The RAM based system is Debian Etch, by the way.

My previous hosting provider had a similar service, so I actually
thought this was wide spread.

 For these new Hardy servers I'm building, I'm playing with the idea of
 booting off of a USB stick, but USB is _slow_ and the read-write
 nature of a running system (even just the Xen server host) would
 likely cause rapid failure of the USB sticks.  My next wild idea was
 to build a 3-way RAID1 for the root disk (USB + 2 internal HD
 partitions of 2.1GB), sync everything, then pull the USB ... plug it
 in weekly to sync up and then yank it again.

Heh :) Well, yes, that would work :)

 I was hoping to avoid a situation we had a few months ago where an apt-get
 (or some function in a post-install) fixed the grub menu.lst and caused
 the server to not be bootable anymore.

I'd very much like to hear more of this incident? Do you remember in
what way the menu.lst was changed?

 I understand. The perfect solution for me would be an ssh server in
 the initramfs so that I could ssh into the server and take a look
 around, reassure myself that the faulty disk has been properly
 identified, etc., etc. and then take appropriate action.
 yeah, having network smarts and ssh (on an alternate port since you
 might not be able to read the ondisk password file?) would be great!

I imagine an initramfs hook would take care to copy /etc/{shadow,passwd}
entries for members of the admin group to the initramfs (possibly
changing their uid to 0 to avoid sudo in initramfs).

 This is all very valuable input. It's good to have some leverage when
 we engage in the discussion about perhaps getting this functionality
 pushed back into hardy.
 My big push to my customers for Ubuntu *is* the LTS feature ... many
 of them have been burned by un-supported, and un-upgradable RH systems
 (I've got a few 6.2 systems out there still ... ugh).  Getting what I
 would consider a mission critical feature for a SERVER pushed back
 into the LTS server release would be very valuable to the argument
 that Ubuntu is Enterprise Ready and willing to add the necessary
 features to run Mission Critical applications on.

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Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:48:10AM -0400, Brian McKee wrote:
 But in the meantime ... this is Intrepid. What do I do about the
 production Hardy that I is now known to ship with a broken RAID
 implementation?
 Just because it doesn't boot without intervention from a degraded
 RAID, that doesn't mean it won't carry on when the RAID degrades
 right?  Or am I missing the issue?

No, you are quite right. I also don't particularly approve of such
frivolous usage of the word broken.

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Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:20:45AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
 But in the meantime ... this is Intrepid. What do I do about the
 production Hardy that I is now known to ship with a broken RAID
 implementation?
 Just because it doesn't boot without intervention from a degraded
 RAID, that doesn't mean it won't carry on when the RAID degrades
 right?  Or am I missing the issue?
 No, you are quite right. I also don't particularly approve of such
 frivolous usage of the word broken.
 What word would *you* choose to describe a server that won't boot when
 only one of it's (supposedly redundant) members is down?

Apparantly, I should be calling it a server that doesn't do what
Michael Hipp expects it to.

 It might help if you were aware that I've been fighting this issue
 with Ubuntu releases ever since the days of 4.10:
 
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15655
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/12052

Ok, make that: a server that *still* doesn't do what Michael Hipp
expects it to.

I'm quite happy that the server doesn't boot if my raid array is broken,
actually.

Imagine a scenario where the disk controller is flaky. Disk A goes away
while the system is running, and is then out of date. You reboot the
machine (or perhaps it rebooted itself because the flaky controller
short circuited or whatever), and for whatever reason (flaky controller,
remember?), the system boots from disk B instead. The changes to your
filesystem since disk A disappeared away are not there, and new changes
are being written to disk B, and there's no chance of merging the two.
This is what I refer to as having a very bad day.

There are lots of other scenarios where you really don't want to boot if
your RAID array is not in tip-top shape. If the system is already
running, it knows something about its current state, which disk is the
more trustworthy one, etc. When booting, this is not the case.

I value data over uptime.

 Every time I think it's fixed I seem to learn that it's uh, er, not
 functional once again.

Not acting in the way you want is not the same as not functional.

 (I'm pretty sure it works fine in 6.06 LTS tho it's been a long time
 since I tested it.)

Nope. It's the same.

 I've been installing operating systems on RAID1 for my little LAN
 servers for as long as I can remember. Before Ubuntu it never occurred
 to me that getting a system to boot a RAID1 with a defunct member was
 some rocket science.

True, it's more difficult than it could be. Dustin has been working hard
on getting that fixed in Intepid. 

 Why, pray tell, can't Ubuntu make this Just Work like most every thing
 else in Ubuntu?

Just Work in this context means different things to different people.
To me, Just Work means that it above all doesn't corrupt my data. To
others, it might mean start the sucker no matter what, so that I can
get on with my life. Neither is a malfunction, so both options should
be available, but spare me the broken and not functional babble.

 Would my rant be any better received if I pointed out that this stuff
 has worked just fine in versions of Red Hat and Windows dating back
 almost a decade.

Not in particular, no.

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Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:10:49AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
 Just Work in this context means different things to different
 people.  To me, Just Work means that it above all doesn't corrupt
 my data. To others, it might mean start the sucker no matter what,
 so that I can get on with my life. Neither is a malfunction, so both
 options should be available, but spare me the broken and not
 functional babble.
 In every single answer above you are focused on the fact that it does
 fine for the use case where you don't want it to boot upon failure.

Except, of course, where I don't (as quoted above). I've never said my
use case it the only correct one.  I'm just saying that there are use
cases where the current behaviour is completely correct.

 As noted in the page [1] linked to by Dustin's blog, that's a valid
 use case. (A bit hard for a guy like me to imagine. But valid
 nevertheless.)

As I said: I value data integrity over uptime. I'm quite anal with my
data.

 What you don't seem to grasp is that it utterly fails at the other use case
 where the system needs to boot regardless. 

I'm completely aware that you want it to do something that it currently
doesn't do. I'm merely pointing out that carrying on the way you do is
not helping anything. Please try to be constructive.

 You seem to be declaring that use case as being one that's invalid
 (evidently because *I*  prefer it as you offer no other.

I don't know what you mean by offer no other. I'm not going to lie and
tell you that Ubuntu does something that it doesn't.

 It's broken because the second use case doesn't work. And evidently can't be 
 made to work under any circumstances. 

I'm not going to continue this discussion. I tried to explain that the
current state has validity. I tried to explain that other use cases are
valid as well, and work has been done to support those. That's hardly
saying that it can't be made to work under any circumstance. If it is,
we're speaking a very different language, and that just further supports
the pointlessness of continuing discussion.

 Tell me, once again, what word you use to describe a system where a
 documented valid use case utterly fails? 

I'm not sure. Not suitable for my needs, perhaps. Not necessarily
broken, that's for sure.   Let's take a completely different example:
It's a completely valid use case to be able to control Ubuntu server
using nothing but voice commands.  At the moment, that's not supported.
That doesn't make Ubuntu server's user interface broken.

And no, I'm not saying that wanting to boot with a degraded raid array
is as common a use case as wanting to use voice commands to control
Ubuntu server. It's just an example.

 It is not functional. It is broken.

Not so. It's working. Simply not in the exact way you want it to. If we
applied this terminology more globally, I'm convinced you'd find that
*every* single piece of software in Ubuntu (or the entire world) is not
functional, but broken.

 For that (seemingly, to me, more common) use case of wanting the
 server to do what servers do and run.

I acknowledge the validity of your use case, just as I did in my
previous e-mail.

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Re: Server Team 20080812 meeting minutes

2008-08-13 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:14:01PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
  [2]: http://launchpad.net/~ebox-unstable/+archive
 I tried to have a look at ebox-mail there and the orig.tar.gz is
 missing.  I'm not quite sure how this is possible, but I think it
 would be more useful if Launchpad would actually serve the source with
 the binary.

I see it there just fine..

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Re: Server Team 20080812 meeting minutes

2008-08-13 Thread Soren Hansen
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 06:00:45AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 [2]: http://launchpad.net/~ebox-unstable/+archive
 I tried to have a look at ebox-mail there and the orig.tar.gz is
 missing.  I'm not quite sure how this is possible, but I think it
 would be more useful if Launchpad would actually serve the source
 with the binary.
I see it there just fine..
 I found it eventually.  Apparently the web U/I got confused about
 where to find it.  It's in the PPA pool, but there wasn't a link from
 the PPA's page.

I'm looking at it *right* now on the PPA's page. If I expand either of
the two ebox-mail packages, and look at the list of files (the Download
files from Librarian section), it's the last entry of each of them.
This is on edge, though. I don't know if it's different on non-edge.

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Re: How to change the kernel

2008-07-25 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:29:02PM +0200, Philippe Gayot wrote:
 To learn about ubuntu-server, I want to install this OS on a
 notebook Dell D505 (Pentium M) and I have this error : This kernel
 requires the following features not present on the CPU : 0:6 Unable to
 boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU
 
 How to choose  to install the good kernel ?

The easiest workaround is to use the alternate desktop install cd and
choose the Install only CLI (something like that) when you boot it up.
That will give you the same as a server install, but with a kernel that
will work on that laptop. 

The alternative is to use the server CD and install the generic kernel
from the command prompt in there, but it's somewhat more involved.

In case you're interested, 0:6 is PAE. The vast majority of machines
support it, but a few don't, and you appear to be among the unlucky few.
I have it on my todo-list to add code to the kernel selection routines
in the installer to detect presence/absence of PAE and choose a kernel
based on that. In any case, that fix will not help you to install hardy.

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[Bug 113837] Re: SOAP module crashes php

2008-07-15 Thread Soren Hansen
Bug fixed upstream:

http://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=11968

The relevant patch is:

http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/pear/SOAP/Fault.php?r1=1.25r2=1.26view=patch

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Re: Ubuntu Server Book Needed?

2008-07-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:13:05PM +, Mike Lane wrote:
 I actually have the first book that you linked too and have found it
 pretty useful so far. I was actually very disappointed with the
 section on virtualization though which very briefly covers KVM, Xen
 and I forget the third one off the top of my head. 

IIRC correctly, the book was based on Feisty, and virtualisation in
Feisty was rather basic. I imagine a newer edition would include stuff
on libvirt and all the surrounding tools.

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[Bug 246558] Re: ssh's init script should generate host keys if they're missing

2008-07-09 Thread Soren Hansen
Attaching the patch as I originially intended it to look. I didn't know
that not having hostkeys was valid (and am still rather surprised that's
the case). Do you have an example sshd_config that doesn't use host
keys? The documentation says it has defaults for HostKey, so even if
they're not specified, I imagine it would use them anyway.

** Attachment added: The proposed patch
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15903169/ssh_regen_host_keys.diff

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[Bug 246558] [NEW] ssh's init script should generate host keys if they're missing

2008-07-08 Thread Soren Hansen
Public bug reported:

I imagine it's useful for other use cases as well, but for me at least
it would be very helpful if openssh-server were to generate new host
keys none are to be found during boot. This makes it a no-brainer to
distribute a virtual appliance without compromising security by sharing
host keys on every single instance of them.

I'll attach a patch shortly.

** Affects: openssh (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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Re: Virtualisation on non vmx/svm CPU

2008-07-07 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 05:15:57PM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote:
 There are cryptic references to kqemu scattered through the 'net and
 the package description for kvm provides hints as well, but it then
 goes on to recommend that you don't use kvm, but rather use qemu. 

KVM uses the CPU extensions of newer Intel and AMD processors to do
accelerated virtualisation.  qemu with kqemu uses a form of binary
translation to do the same. kvm cannot use kqemu.

 I've seen references to kvm using kqemu to speed things up, but I'm
 hazy on the details.

If you want to play with kqemu, it should be about as simple as: sudo
apt-get install module-assistant  sudo m-a a-i kqemu  sudo modprobe
kqemu and then run qemu (making sure you have appropriate access to
/dev/kqemu).

 I've read about virtualbox and several other solutions, but I'd rather
 not tread down yet another dead end to then be told Well, you should
 have chosen kvm.

If you don't have the required hardware support, kvm is not going to be
useful to you anyway. :/

 So, as a current VMware user, wanting to deploy and test virtual
 machines both in my Ubuntu development environment and with clients
 running ubuntu-server, what are my options, what will be properly
 supported and what can I expect when a new kernel update comes along?

The only officially supported, free virtualisation solution is kvm. I
hear a lot of people talk about VirtualBox and it seems to be well
maintained in Ubuntu as well, so that might be an option for you.
However, the free edition of VirtualBox does not have a headless mode,
so if this is meant for server use cases, it might not be a very good
fit for you. Other alternatives include VMWare (Server or ESX) and Xen.

 It is possible that Ubuntu does not yet include what I'm seeking, but
 the way soren tells it, virtualisation is everywhere :)

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Re: Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

2008-07-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:40:26PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
 I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not have
 the many deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other free
 server virtualization products worth trying, I'd like to hear of
 them.)

KVM is all the rage these days. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM

 But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat 

Then VirtualBox is not for you. At least not the free version. It
doesn't have a headless mode. The non-free version... Well, we can't
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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-07-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:40:27PM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 Your reply was something like I'm not very determined, which
 doesn't answer my question at all. You want us to remove groff from
 the standard install, even though you're going to install it
 yourself.  That sure sounds to me like you find groff (probably
 actually man-db) to be useful (otherwise, why would you be installing
 it), but you want to not have it installed by default, thus making
 the default install less useful.
 It's not that I prefer man-db to be removed by default, because yes I
 do use it.  That doesn't mean everyone uses it though.

I just still fail to see why not using man-db is a more valid use case
than using it.

 because while I think w3m is a complete waste of space, I'm fine with
 just letting it go and moving on to more important issues.

I also still fail to see why w3m is any different than groff+man. 

 There seems to be a lot of praise for the bare install option in
 the installer, and no one has said anything against it.
 Well, you seem to think that it's not bare enough?
 I think that Ubuntu JEOS is bare enough.

You see, JeOS is an acronym for Just enough OS. Just enough OS in
itself doesn't mean anything, so to make it make any sense at all in my
head, I think I've always understood it as: Just enough OS to not be
completely useless. 

If don't be completely useless is truly all we're aiming for, our
ultimate goal, I'm in the wrong job. Seriously. This might sound
pretentious, but I have higher ambitions than that.

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Re: Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

2008-07-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:54:50PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
 I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not
 have the many deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other
 free server virtualization products worth trying, I'd like to hear
 of them.)
 KVM is all the rage these days.
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
 Thanks. But this appears to be an option only for the well-heeled
 whose fancy servers support the extended instructions. My P4 likely
 doesn't. :-(

Perhaps not. It's easy to check, though. There are instructions for that
on that page.

  But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat 
  Then VirtualBox is not for you. At least not the free version. It
  doesn't have a headless mode. The non-free version... Well, we can't
  really help you with that :)
 Actually they do have the ability to run headless as of v1.6.

Looking at their webpage and documentation I see nothing that would
suggest that this feature has been included in their OSE version now. It
still seems to be only in their full edition.

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Re: Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

2008-07-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:48:13PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
 VB has their feature known as headless that says it does allow full
 remote control with no control software on the host. Can't find any
 explanation other than in the pdf manual in section 7.4.1:
 http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.6.2/UserManual.pdf

Indeed. However, looking at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions,
you'll see the following under the Closed-source features heading:


  * Remote Display Protocol (RDP) Server 

This component implements a complete RDP server on top of the
virtual hardware and allows users to connect to a virtual machine
remotely using any RDP compatible client.

 That's 3 or so votes that I look at Xen or KVM. But I thought these
 technologies only worked with Linux guests and you need one of the
 very new processors with some extended instruction set for this.

If you have the cpu support for it, both Xen and KVM will run any OS
unmodified. If you don't have the cpu extensions, you can run
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Re: Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

2008-07-01 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 05:20:46PM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 If you don't have the processor extensions, then my vote would be for
 qemu+kqemu.  Someone may want to verify this (have to go get my kids
 right now), but I think you can now create and manage virtual machines
 remotely with virt-manager, to make things easier.

Yes, you can indeed manage such VM's with libvirt (and hence
virt-manager).

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Re: Ubuntu server GUI

2008-06-30 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:02:13PM -0500, Luke L wrote:
 You're one of those... Listen, Linux is powerful and can do anything
 you want it to do in terms of software (Except play Supreme Commander)
 from the command line. We are all aware. But GUIs really can and do
 help productivity with increasingly complicated tasks. 

I think you're abusing the term productivity a bit here. In most
cases, GUI's make things simple. Simple in this context mostly means
discoverable. Even if you have to click through half a dozen wizards
and dialogs and stuff, most people find this simpler (more discoverable)
than the CLI equivalent.  However, clicking through a stack of dialogs,
ticking check boxes, etc. might be simple, but it's not easy[1]. 

Remember that the vast majority of the stuff you do on a computer,
you're going to do lots and lots of times, and it's only the first time
you're doing it without any prior knowledge. CLI's might be complex and
difficult to begin with, but grow simpler and easier the more you use
them. GUI's, on the other hand, don't become much easier than they are
to begin with, but at that point, discoverability is not key anymore.
You still have to go through the same dialogs, tick the same boxes and
all that. That's hardly productive.

The first time you find out that you want your computer to run a few
commands something every 10 minutes, you need to:

 * Discover cron (to know the mechanism for doing things periodically)
 * Learn the syntax of a crontab entry (to be able to add your own
   stuff)
 * Learn to use a text editor (to actually add your crontab entry)
 * Learn to write a shell script (to actually get your commands
   executed)
 * Learn about the filesystem (so that you can put the shell script in
   the right place (not necessarily master the FHS, but at least figure
   out that /tmp is not the right place nor is ~/Desktop).
 * Learn about file permissions (to set the execute bit on the shell
   script)

This is daunting the first time. The second time, you might be able to
make do with your notes from the first time. The third time, you just do
it, because you understand the process.

I'm not implying that discoverability isn't important (it certainly is),
but it certainly doesn't imply productivity.

[1]: Think of it this way: Most people will find it *simple* to run 20
km (you just get up and start putting one foot in front of the other
until you're done) but few will find it *easy*. 

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[Bug 237460] Re: Root on iscsi is not supported

2008-06-26 Thread Soren Hansen
Just to fill in a bit more info:

1. The hw-detect problem should be straightforward enough, so I won't go into 
much depth about that.
2. The problems involing open-iscsi are many-fold:
2.a. Networking is not configured in initramfs (yet the network is clearly up 
since we have loaded the initramfs somehow).
2.a.I Debian fixes this by leeching off of nfsroot's networking code. This is 
rather crappy, and doesn't have installer support (but needs it).
2.a.II The open-iscsi package has code (but doesn't ship the binary, IIRC) to 
extract the networking info from the PXE firmware (or whereever it resides. I'm 
not entirely sure). IIRC, the open-iscsi web page explains how to use this.
2.b. Then the network is up, we should be able to mount the root filesystem by 
doing the usual iscsi stuff to get access to the block devices. This might 
require some udev support in the initramfs, but I actually don't think so (UUID 
based mounting ftw!))
2.c. When the root filesystem is mounted, and hence the network is up, we 
should be careful as to not nuke it, when we actually finish booting, but we 
should still let ifupdown configure the network properly (to get bonding 
running and such).

There's probably more, but that should be enough to get started working
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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:50:30AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 ..yet you're ignoring my request for a rationale.
 I have done nothing of the sort.  

I asked why you were do determined to make the install less useful by
default. Your reply was something like I'm not very determined, which
doesn't answer my question at all. You want us to remove groff from the
standard install, even though you're going to install it yourself.  That
sure sounds to me like you find groff (probably actually man-db) to be
useful (otherwise, why would you be installing it), but you want to not
have it installed by default, thus making the default install less
useful. 

I see the usefulness of the minimal install, but this I think this is
getting ridiculous.  Ubuntu Server is -- after all -- supposed to be for
human beings, not for embedded systems.

 There seems to be a lot of praise for the bare install option in the
 installer, and no one has said anything against it.

Well, you seem to think that it's not bare enough?

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:21:10AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 That is that the concern here is not so much about w3m being in the
 server seed, but that if such a useless package can make it into the
 server seed, than what more feature creep will the future bring.  

Do you think we should remove groff (and with it, man-db), too? I'm not
trying to be difficult.. This is an actual question.

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 08:43:28AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 Do you think we should remove groff (and with it, man-db), too? I'm
 not trying to be difficult.. This is an actual question.
 No, but I use man all the time.  Granted, that may be pandering to
 myself, but man just seems infinitely more useful than a web browser.
 This could be that 1) I have never ever used a web browser, or been in
 a position where it would seem useful, on a server and 

Think it helps immensely if you stop calling it a web browser, and start
calling it an html viewer (which happens to work as a web browser as
well, but that's beside the point).

 2) the whole idea that it's a browser, therefore it's a huge
 security hole.

Sorry, I'm having trouble detecting sarcasm over e-mail. Is this a joke
or a serious comment?

 And you may say it's just for looking at local html files, but it
 opens up the thinking that if they put a web browser on a server,
 then it must be ok to browse the web from a server.

If people want to use it for that, I'm not going to stop them. I might
point fingers and call them silly, but that's their right.

 I've seen plenty of Windows admins casually browsing the web from a
 server console while waiting on some task to finish in the server
 room.

The difference is that they're using a full featured web browser. w3m
doesn't even do javascript. It's not any more or less of a security hole
than as wget + groff combo would be. (Of course each program might have
its own set of security problems, but the concept of each has no more or
less security implications than the other)

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 08:43:28AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 Do you think we should remove groff (and with it, man-db), too? I'm
 not trying to be difficult.. This is an actual question.
 No, but I use man all the time.

I forgot to address this bit in my last e-mail..

See, you happen to need to access documentation that's stored in man
page format. Others are in a situation where the packages they use store
their documentation in html format. Without an html interpreter they're
screwed. In this context, groff and w3m are exactly the same, so if we
remove one, why not the other?

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:17:47AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 See, you happen to need to access documentation that's stored in man
 page format. Others are in a situation where the packages they use
 store their documentation in html format. Without an html interpreter
 they're screwed. In this context, groff and w3m are exactly the same,
 so if we remove one, why not the other?
 I already admitted to pandering to myself.  And if groff is gone, then
 I wouldn't be heart-broken.  I would just include it in my standard
 server set up, or install the package who's man page I need to read on
 one of my handy-dandy test servers.

I'm completely missing why you are so determined to make the server
install less useful by default?

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Re: Platform vs Product [Was: Re: Moving w3m out of standard]

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:50:09AM -0400, Jamie Strandboge wrote:
 It's clear to me what is really being discussed is should Ubuntu
 Server be a platform or a product akin to Ubuntu Desktop? Both are
 valid and useful, but *distinct*.

Very good point.

 To quote Soren: Ubuntu is about making everything more useful by
 default. 

Not surprising, I agree with this :)  I think I should point out that I
don't think just installing more packages is going to make anything more
useful. If you know the name of a command, with command-not-found,
you're even told which command to run to install the package, you're
missing, so this is really the least interesting part of the discussion.

It's true that 99.9% of the changes we can make, we do by making changes
to packages. (The remaing 0.1% would be in CD building process and
such). This makes it easy to get caught up in stuff like how we can make
tiny changes to each package to make it just a few percent more useful.
This is all good stuff, and these changes can get us a long way, but
things don't start to get really interesting until we take a step back
and consider in a more broad perspective what we want to achieve, and
how we can use the tools we have to do it.

For Hardy we tried to get postfix and dovecot to integrate with each
other by default. For various reasons this never came to be, but it's a
rather good example of the kind of stuff we can do because we control
are the suppliers of both pieces of software.

My ssh-login-to-screen idea a few e-mails ago is another example. It
might be silly, but it's an example of thinking outside the confines of
single packages, and considering the software stack as more a whole.

 I absolutely agree with this, and through discussion, things like
 screen and other software, where appropriate and after thorough
 review, should be part of Ubuntu Server's default installation. This
 functionality and integration work is what gets at the heart of what
 Ubuntu is-- Linux for Human Beings.

I wholeheartedly agree. To a great extent, Ubuntu Server is like Debian,
but with some patches, a release schedule, support options, and
dedicated ressources. This is good, but it could be much, much better.
There's a *lot* of potential for improvement.

 On the other hand, there is a clear need to have an install method for
 server that is minimal, or platform oriented.

Quite true. In our integration efforts we need to also keep in mind that
folks might want to use a different combination of packages, so the
coupling should be rather loose.

 Right now, the mini ISO, the alternate CD, JeOS and the current server
 CD all approach this from different angles, but come close to the same
 end result (though, IIRC, you end up with a different kernel in
 each).

Alternate and the mini ISO will get you the same kernel. JeOS uses the
virtual kernel, and the server CD gets you the server kernel.
Additionally JeOS doesn't install standard, AFAIR, but only minimal, but
yes, their end result is rather similar.

 I suggest we have on the server CD a boot option like 'linux minimal'
 (this has been suggested/implied elsewhere in this thread).  This
 might simply be ubuntu-standard with the server kernel and a note that
 mentions running tasksel for additional packages (but this will need
 to be discussed).

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Re: nf_conntrack_sip.ko missing from JeOS image (virtual)

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:25:36AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 I don't have a Hardy machine available to check, but is there a
 package called user-mode-linux available from apt?  The
 nf_conntrack_sip module should be in there.

Yes, but that would be for user-mode-linux and not for real kernel.

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-23 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:25:20AM -0500, James Dinkel wrote:
 I'm completely missing why you are so determined to make the server
 install less useful by default?
 I didn't think I was all that determined.  You asked a question, so I
 gave an answer.  I'm not going to lie about my opinion, and I didn't
 want to ignore you.

..yet you're ignoring my request for a rationale.

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[Bug 231060] Re: packages dnsmasq and libvirt-bin conflict with each other

2008-06-20 Thread Soren Hansen
dnsmasq is a general purpose dns (and DHCP, but let's ignore this for the 
purpose of this conversation) server.
The dnsmasq package installs itself and starts listening on all interfaces. 
That seems like a reasonable default behaviour for a general purpose caching 
dns server to me.
libvirt uses dnsmasq (the binary, not the service) to provide dns and dhcp 
services to virtual networks. If you're installing dnsmasq and libvirt-bin 
alongside each other, you have to work out the conflicts yourself. I'm not 
convinced there is a reasonable default fix for this case.

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 01:03:48PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
 I think an interactive web browser is completely unnecessary on a
 server.  You should do your browsing from a workstation, and then use
 wget or sftp to transfer any files you need to the server.
 And w3m or similar tools are only one command away with apt-get if you
 do need them. Let's keep the clutter to a minimum.

This seems to be a common theme when it comes to discussing what goes on
servers by default and what doesn't.

  We shouldn't put foo on servers by default, because not everyone
  needs it, and it's easily apt-get installable if you need it.

Well, that might be true, but consider the converse:

  Some people need it, and it's easily apt-get removable if you don't.

which is also true.

With the advent of the server seed, I think the time is ripe for us to
be slightly (not much, but just a tiny bit) more promiscuous in our
choice of what gets installed by default.

w3m is a good example of this.  You might not use it every day (or even
week, month, or year), but the convenience of finding it there when you
need it weighed against the space wasted for it while you don't makes
it a reasonable candidate for being installed by default, and I'm glad
this decision was made at the server team meeting a few days ago, too.
Something like screen would fall into sort of the same sorting pile, but
I think these are just the starting points.  I for one would certainly
be open to a discussion about additional tools being installed by
default, like chkrootkit, smartmontools, munin-node[1], checksecurity,
bzr, etckeeper (I haven't actually looked into this one, but it seems
like something we might want to push), ntp[1], etc.  This is all stuff
that would (begin to) turn the server install from a very basic system
on top of which you can install stuff to actually make it useful into
something that does that too, but also promotes a set of best practices
and such. So far, our only tools for doing that have been inclusion into
main and sometimes documentation.

We should probably add an install option to the server CD to only
install the base system, so that the die hard group of old school admins
can keep their Ubuntu systems as small as possible, though.

[1]: At least ntp and munin-node do have open sockets, but they're both
only bound to the loopback interface, so I don't expect this to be
overly controversial.

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:05:37PM +0200, Ante Karamatic wrote:
  [1]: At least ntp and munin-node do have open sockets, but they're
  both only bound to the loopback interface, so I don't expect this to
  be overly controversial.
 There's a huge difference between munin-node and ntp on one side, and
 w3m on the other. 

Certainly. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be much to discuss.
:)

 w3m is client side tool, for local users of server (administrators).

Quite right.

 ntp and munin-node are daemons and, when installed, most of the
 administrators share those services on network.

That's also true.  I'm not sure what your point is?

 As you can see, I totally agree with you regarding w3m, but not over
 munin-node and ntp. But, I could get convinced if we start offering
 products, not packages((c) by Rick Clark) :D

I suppose that is sort of what I'm suggesting. The current Ubuntu server
install is not much more than a minimal set of packages to have a
functional system. This is very convenient for some use cases, but at
some point, I'd like for Ubuntu server to be much more than that.

There's lots of simple stuff we could do, such as install some extra
packages by default (chkrootkit, checksecurity, and ntp just to name a
few).

Slightly more involved things to do is to install various monitoring
agents (I'm thinking of munin-node and nagios-plugins, but others might
make sense, too) along with a configuration package to hook them into a
corresponding server (for munin-node this would be as simple as adding
the server's IP to the list of allowed hosts, and for nagios-plugins it
would involve setting up an ssh-server and add a pubkey authenticated
user to call the plugins).  A properly designed directory service could
provide transport for these configuration settings.

I haven't put a whole lot of thought into this, to be honest, but it
seems like an interesting discussion to have.

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-20 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:50:32PM +0200, Serge van Ginderachter wrote:
 Maybe a partial parameter to what should be provided could also be
 those packages which are manageable through UCSA 

I'm not sure I'm familiar with UCSA?

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Re: Moving w3m out of standard

2008-06-20 Thread Soren Hansen
 installed even though they can just choose to not turn them
 on?
 I would prefer the foundation so I can customize the size, layout, and
 features how I want them.  This is assuming your analogy means I can
 just point my finger and say sudo apt-get install toilet.

Well, if there's only one possible type of toilet anyway, I see no
reason to not install it by default. Well, maybe there's another type,
but it can only be installed upside down, or it has spikes on it, so
they're not really useful alternatives at all. Without the toilet, the
house is habitable, but will soon prove to be annoying to almost anyone
who attemts to live in it.

I think I'm ready to ditch this analogy now and talk about actual
packages :)

 The server itself could have been connected to the internet with a
 100mbit fiber line.  Also, everyone keeps bringing this up that
 you'll wish you had it when things go sour but even with my stripped
 down installs I've never felt that I was lacking any tools on the
 server when troubleshooting.

Well, a) you install a stack of packages on all your servers anyhow, so
your available selection of packages is different from everybody else's,
and b) this is not just about having tools that will help you get out of
a jam. This is about all kinds of useful stuff.

 I'm too lazy and busy to proofread all this, so I hope I was
 intelligible and courteous.

I'm happy to report that no virtualisation specialists were harmed,
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Re: monitor 640x480

2008-06-12 Thread Soren Hansen
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:03:28PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote:
 Is this documented somewhere?

Sure:

   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2008-June/001679.html

:D

Jokes aside, I belive it's somewhere in the installation guide, but I'm
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Re: monitor 640x480

2008-06-11 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 02:21:34PM +0200, Florian wrote:
 now i downloaded the Ubuntu 8.0.4 Alternate CD. Booting from this CD
 starts with the same two screens as the server-CD does.  These two
 initial screens (1. language selection/help system; 2. Install ubuntu
 server) cannot be displayed with a 640x480-only-monitor.

Hold the shift key while booting. This will disable the gfxboot screen.
Just press return at the prompt to start the installation. Hope this
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Re: oVirt

2008-06-11 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:37:35AM -0700, Martin Hess wrote:
 Given that KVM is the preferred virtualization solution and that we have 
 Virtual Machine Manager to manage a single instance, is there an chance 
 we will be seeing oVirt anytime soon?

 http://ovirt.org/

oVirt has a rather large dependency stack, which makes packaging it a
rather large task. I'm aware of the project, but it's not very high on
my personal roadmap at this moment. 

 While I'm wishing for the moon I may as well as ask for Cobbler:

 http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

I'm currently working on Cobbler. I've been caught up in travels and
such, but it should land in Intrepid within a few weeks, I'd say.

 Both of these projects are part(?) sponsored by RedHat as an Emerging
 Technology Project, whatever that means. 

I believe Emerging Technologies was a division of Red Hat working on
various new stuff, mostly related to virtualisation. I believe it no
longer exists as a division in Red Hat, but the name is still around
because users still use it.

 There brethren are:

 Augeas - A configuration editing tool and API

Have not really looked into it.

 libvirt - The open source virtualization API

We already have this. :)

 Cobbler - OS provisioning and profile management

 FreeIPA - Identity, policy and audit management

FreeIPA has an absolutely horrendous dependency stack. I at least will
not have time to maintain it. Someone else might?

 Virtual Machine Manager - Virtualization management from the

We have this already as well :)

 Func - A secure, scriptable remote control framework  API

I've not looked at func either.

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