[UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-21 Thread Karen Heenan 

I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our "friendly neighborhood hotel
developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
he didn't get it from them.

I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
to any comments we may have?

Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked "not
junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.

Karen


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: Hi


>
> Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
>
> Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
> I'd respond.
>
> First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
> somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
> institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
> drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
> such hotels.
>
> The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
> space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
> 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
> 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
> Word bookshop.
>
> Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
> Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
> them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
> that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
> the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
> neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
> restauarants might pop up!
>
> There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
> Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
> 4244 Osage Ave
>


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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-21 Thread Doc Baldy 
Hi Karen,

> I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from 
> residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
> to any comments we may have?

Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them into
consideration.

Best,
Stephen


On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
> proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
> anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our "friendly neighborhood hotel
> developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
> letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
> he didn't get it from them.
>
> I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
> to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
> appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
> to any comments we may have?
>
> Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked "not
> junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
> Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.
>
> Karen
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
> Subject: Hi
>
>
> >
> > Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
> >
> > Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
> > I'd respond.
> >
> > First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
> > somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
> > institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
> > drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
> > such hotels.
> >
> > The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
> > space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
> > 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
> > 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
> > Word bookshop.
> >
> > Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
> > Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
> > them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
> > that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
> > the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
> > neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
> > restauarants might pop up!
> >
> > There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
> > Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Tom
> > 4244 Osage Ave
> >
>
> 
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread craigsolve 



Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them into
consideration.

Experienced quality real estate developers and their partners, such as a world 
class university, initiate a sincere community engagement process long before 
"a government convened hearing" so there will be no surprises to disrupt the 
developer's time line. Time is money; lost time is lost money. Unless the 
developer anticipates having to ram his project up the wazuu of recalcitrant 
neighbors, who are impeding Mr Big's internal project demands.

Ciao,

Craig


-Original Message-
From: Doc Baldy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: UC 
Sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply



Hi Karen,

> I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from 
residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
> to any comments we may have?

Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them into
consideration.

Best,
Stephen


On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
> proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
> anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our "friendly neighborhood hotel
> developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
> letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
> he didn't get it from them.
>
> I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
> to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
> appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
> to any comments we may have?
>
> Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked "not
> junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
> Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.
>
> Karen
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
> Subject: Hi
>
>
> >
> > Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
> >
> > Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
> > I'd respond.
> >
> > First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
> > somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
> > institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
> > drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
> > such hotels.
> >
> > The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
> > space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
> > 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
> > 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
> > Word bookshop.
> >
> > Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
> > Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
> > them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
> > that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
> > the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
> > neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
> > restauarants might pop up!
> >
> > There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
> > Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Tom
> > 4244 Osage Ave
> >
>
> 
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> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Krfapt 
 
In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:49:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious  about
your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with  your
concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time  to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them  into
consideration.



Oh, c'mon Stephen. It obviously biases the proceedings at the Architectural  
Committee meeting. Does one side of a court battle tell the other its 
strategy?  

If, in fact, someone working for the PHC leaked this information to  
Lussenhop, it's a breach of conduct and ethics that could justifiably result in 
 
immediate job termination.
 
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Glenn 

--- Doc Baldy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Why is it better to surprise the
> developer with your
> concerns?  It seems to me that providing the
> developer with time to
> consider your concerns allows him to more
> thoughtfully take them into
> consideration.
> 
> Best,
> Stephen


Hi Stephen,

You’re a nice guy so I think you want to give Penn and
Mr. Lussenhop the benefit of the doubt. Consider this
alternative to your statement

-Why is it better to surprise the citizens with all
plans? It seems to me that providing the citizens with
time to consider corporate plans allows them to more
thoughtfully take them into
consideration.-

Back in July, Mr. Lussenhop tried to get the historic
property de-listed without informing the community. 
In my opinion, historic preservation of the
neighborhood is important to a great number of the
residents of this community.  

It seems we are always discovering Penn driven plans
at the last minute or after it is too late for the
many voices of the community to weigh in.  Before the
newspaper article exposed this plan, Mr. Lussenhop,
Campus Apts, etc, attempted a slam-dunk with this
hotel project.  Determining what can be “gotten away
with” is not the same as disclosure and asking for
community feedback.  The fact that an attempt to
de-list this historic building was attempted secretly
months ago shows that the developers have no interest
with community concerns.  

You’ve seen people put emphasis on appropriate
process.  When someone is sneaky and tries to skip an
appropriate process, it negatively reflects upon their
intentions and credibility.  In my opinion, it would
be naïve to take any more about the intentions of this
project and developer on blind faith.  

The other problem here is government; its relationship
to the people; and its role as corporate partner. 
There have been many times described on the uncensored
list in which agencies of our city government appear
to be accountable and directed from Penn Board rooms
rather than accountable to the people.  The police,
L&I, the streets department, the Dept of Recreation,
etc., have been described crossing the line with
exuberance in corporate driven planning.

Our neighbors are sharing their concerns at the last
minute because Mr. Lussenhop tried to keep them in the
dark for months after he should have disclosed the
plan.  As individuals scramble to just get their
concerns heard, it looks like The Phila. Historical
Commission is forwarding those concerns to that
secretive developer immediately.  This could suggest
serious problems with this agency as an impartial
adjudicator.  It’s not only stacking the deck but also
putting mirrors behind the backs of the little people.
 Remember, if hearing community concerns was desired,
the developer would have disclosed the plan before
attempting to get the building de-listed.  

This is more of that slam-dunk attempt.  Why does the
community need to fight and beg for fair treatment
while the powerful disingenuous corporate entity is
given every advantage?

If you did have views on this project, how would you
feel about getting slam-dunked?  Think about the
implications of all this, Stephen.

Best, 
Glenn



 







> 
> 
> On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting
> forth my feelings about the
> > proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got
> a response.  Not from
> > anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our
> "friendly neighborhood hotel
> > developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr.
> Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
> > letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter
> went out by snail mail, so
> > he didn't get it from them.
> >
> > I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within
> 5 hours of my sending it
> > to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I
> don't think that it's
> > appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from
> residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> > prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him
> advance opportunity to respond
> > to any comments we may have?
> >
> > Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder,
> and when I clicked "not
> > junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing
> list to my safe lists.
> > Apparently my response was one of many that Mr.
> Lussenhop sent out that day.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
> > Subject: Hi
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood
> hotel developer.
> > >
> > > Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful
> comments, I thought
> > > I'd respond.
> > >
> > > First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended
> stay hotel.   That is,
> > > somewhere where the thousands of visitors to
> University City's
> > > institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae
> stay) and not have to
> > > drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard
> and MIT have several
> > > su

Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Elizabeth F Campion 

Like it or not, zoning change involves 
a petitioner
someone planning some benefit for themselves
(or their agenda/goals if a nonprofit)
requesting an accommodation/change from 
neighbors and
existing communities.
 
I do not see the benefit in revealing names or contact info of those who
have objections (or even questions).
"Outing" PEOPLE creates a system for identifying individuals who 'need'
to be suppressed or converted, either by bullying and or bribery.
 
Addressing the QUESTIONS and CONCERNS of the community, while permitting
questioners to remain anonymous, at least during the early stages, keeps
the focus upon the track record of the developer and is a better method
of analyzing the features and benefits of the proposed
change/development.
 
I think Karen's concern is valid.
Further, information should be easily available to the entire community,
through door-to-door delivery, not just to those who need persuading, or
those on all the current computer lists.

Best!
Liz
 
 
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:46:24 -0400 "Doc Baldy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Hi Karen,
> 
> > I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters 
> from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> > prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity 
> to respond
> > to any comments we may have?
> 
> Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
> your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
> concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
> consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them 
> into
> consideration.
> 
> Best,
> Stephen
> 
> 
> On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings 
> about the
> > proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  
> Not from
> > anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our "friendly 
> neighborhood hotel
> > developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I 
> cc'd my
> > letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail 
> mail, so
> > he didn't get it from them.
> >
> > I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my 
> sending it
> > to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that 
> it's
> > appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. 
> Lussenhop
> > prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity 
> to respond
> > to any comments we may have?
> >
> > Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I 
> clicked "not
> > junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe 
> lists.
> > Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out 
> that day.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
> > Subject: Hi
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
> > >
> > > Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I 
> thought
> > > I'd respond.
> > >
> > > First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   
> That is,
> > > somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
> > > institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not 
> have to
> > > drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have 
> several
> > > such hotels.
> > >
> > > The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no 
> meeting
> > > space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to 
> shop on
> > > 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop 
> owners on
> > > 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at 
> The Last
> > > Word bookshop.
> > >
> > > Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 
> blocks of
> > > Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners 
> of 90 of
> > > them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned 
> properties but
> > > that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. 
> I think
> > > the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more 
> responisble)
> > > neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice 
> cafes or
> > > restauarants might pop up!
> > >
> > > There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will 
> come.
> > > Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Tom
> > > 4244 Osage Ave
> > >
> >
> > 
> > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the
> > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, 
> see
> > .
> >
> 
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread pmuyehara 

 Actually, while it may be that in court you don't disclose your strategy, you 
do disclose your evidence and issues before trial.? The evidence comes out in 
discovery and the issues should be framed in the pleadings.

Paul


 


 

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In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:49:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious 
  about
your concern.? Why is it better to surprise the developer with 
  your
concerns?? It seems to me that providing the developer with time 
  to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them 
  into
consideration.







Oh, c'mon Stephen. It obviously biases the proceedings at the Architectural 
Committee meeting. Does one side of a court battle tell the other its strategy? 

?


If, in fact, someone working for the PHC leaked this information to 
Lussenhop, it's a breach of conduct and ethics that could justifiably result in 
immediate job termination.


?


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your service & ready for a dialog,
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Doc Baldy 
Hi Liz,

I wasn't speaking to the issue of PHC "outing" Karen by name (if
that's what happened).  My point was in regards to whether or not it's
more beneficial to the process and the community for the developer to
know the concerns of the community prior to the meeting.

Best,
Stephen


On 10/22/07, Elizabeth F Campion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Like it or not, zoning change involves
> a petitioner
> someone planning some benefit for themselves
> (or their agenda/goals if a nonprofit)
> requesting an accommodation/change from
> neighbors and
> existing communities.
>
> I do not see the benefit in revealing names or contact info of those who
> have objections (or even questions).
> "Outing" PEOPLE creates a system for identifying individuals who 'need'
> to be suppressed or converted, either by bullying and or bribery.
>
> Addressing the QUESTIONS and CONCERNS of the community, while permitting
> questioners to remain anonymous, at least during the early stages, keeps
> the focus upon the track record of the developer and is a better method
> of analyzing the features and benefits of the proposed
> change/development.
>
> I think Karen's concern is valid.
> Further, information should be easily available to the entire community,
> through door-to-door delivery, not just to those who need persuading, or
> those on all the current computer lists.
>
> Best!
> Liz
>
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:46:24 -0400 "Doc Baldy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > Hi Karen,
> >
> > > I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters
> > from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
> > > prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity
> > to respond
> > > to any comments we may have?
> >
> > Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
> > your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
> > concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
> > consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them
> > into
> > consideration.
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> > On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings
> > about the
> > > proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.
> > Not from
> > > anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our "friendly
> > neighborhood hotel
> > > developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I
> > cc'd my
> > > letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail
> > mail, so
> > > he didn't get it from them.
> > >
> > > I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my
> > sending it
> > > to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that
> > it's
> > > appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr.
> > Lussenhop
> > > prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity
> > to respond
> > > to any comments we may have?
> > >
> > > Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I
> > clicked "not
> > > junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe
> > lists.
> > > Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out
> > that day.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
> > > Subject: Hi
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
> > > >
> > > > Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I
> > thought
> > > > I'd respond.
> > > >
> > > > First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.
> > That is,
> > > > somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
> > > > institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not
> > have to
> > > > drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have
> > several
> > > > such hotels.
> > > >
> > > > The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no
> > meeting
> > > > space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to
> > shop on
> > > > 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop
> > owners on
> > > > 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at
> > The Last
> > > > Word bookshop.
> > > >
> > > > Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000
> > blocks of
> > > > Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners
> > of 90 of
> > > > them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned
> > properties but
> > > > that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years.
> > I think
> > > > the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more
> > responisble)
> > > > neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice
> > cafes or
> > > > restauarants might pop up!
> > > >
> > > > There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you

Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-23 Thread Glenn 

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
>  Actually, while it may be that in court you don't
> disclose your strategy, you do disclose your
> evidence and issues before trial.? The evidence
> comes out in discovery and the issues should be
> framed in the pleadings.
> 
> Paul


Paul,

It seems that we may agree that this hotel project
could be considered like an adversarial occurrence
similar to court proceedings.  Since Lussenhop has
refused to disclose the massive evidence he must have
assembled, do you think his petition should be
summarily dismissed on the basis of contempt?  

Am I correct that in court the defendant (the
community) must also be allowed to see evidence used
against us before a decision is made?  It seems that
with this historical commission case the right to
discovery is only for the benefit of the powerful
side. 

Lussenhop/Campus Apts.  seem to have everything in
advance and the defendant gets to see nothing but the
newspaper report, which exposed this assault.  Is that
UC Review report all Lussenhop has assembled to
present today, I wonder?   

In community vs. Lussenhop, it would seem that only a
kangaroo court would allow such a lopsided advantage
just because he is a crony of Penn.

These corporate clowns aren’t great friends of the
funky neighborhood.  We should never forget that they
make it an adversarial relationship through secrecy
and astroturfing and always always try to stack the
deck then run out the clock!

Thanks for the clarifying explanation about evidence
in court.

Your buddy,
Glenn  










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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: univcity@list.purple.com
> Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 8:45 am
> Subject: Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an
> interesting reply
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> 
> In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:49:42 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
> Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm
> curious 
>   about
> your concern.? Why is it better to surprise the
> developer with 
>   your
> concerns?? It seems to me that providing the
> developer with time 
>   to
> consider your concerns allows him to more
> thoughtfully take them 
>   into
> consideration.
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> 
> 
> Oh, c'mon Stephen. It obviously biases the
> proceedings at the Architectural 
> Committee meeting. Does one side of a court battle
> tell the other its strategy? 
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> If, in fact, someone working for the PHC leaked this
> information to 
> Lussenhop, it's a breach of conduct and ethics that
> could justifiably result in 
> immediate job termination.
> 
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> Always at 
> your service & ready for a dialog,
> Al 
> Krigman
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-23 Thread Krfapt 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2007 11:59:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My point  was in regards to whether or not it's
more beneficial to the process and  the community for the developer to
know the concerns of the community prior  to the meeting.



If Penn or it's developer (Lussenhop) wanted to know the concerns of the  
community -- ostensibly to get inputs and engage in a dialog to reach some kind 
 
accommodation -- they/he would have presented some basic ideas then held one 
or  more community forums prior to starting the "legal" processes into  motion.
 
Getting this information the way he did, under the table -- as it were --  is 
just a way to prepare for objections, not to understand concerns and try to  
work with people who are worried about the implications as they affect the  
quality of their lives.  



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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-23 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My point was in regards to whether or not it's
more beneficial to the process and the community for the developer to
know the concerns of the community prior to the meeting.

If Penn or it's developer (Lussenhop) wanted to know the concerns of the 
community -- ostensibly to get inputs and engage in a dialog to reach 
some kind accommodation -- they/he would have presented some basic ideas 
then held one or more community forums prior to starting the "legal" 
processes into motion.
 
Getting this information the way he did, under the table -- as it were 
-- is just a way to prepare for objections, not to understand concerns 
and try to work with people who are worried about the implications as 
they affect the quality of their lives.



this whole question of stephen's is rather odd, and I think 
you and glenn and others have shown pretty clearly why.


what isn't clear yet is whether anyone else from the 
community or this list received an email from the developer, 
tom lussenhop. others besides karen heenan have written 
comments on this list (and in the university city review) 
about the proposed hotel. have they been contacted by lussenhop?


also, in tom lussenhop's response to karen, he said there's 
been 'a lot of meetings.' can anyone here tell us where the 
community meetings about this were held? when? how were they 
publicized? what were the results (minutes posted anywhere?) 
in his message to karen, tom said that one of the outcomes 
of the proposed hotel would be to introduce 'new (more 
responsible) neighbors' to the area.



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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply - VERIFY

2007-10-21 Thread craigsolve 
The Tom Lussenhop?communication may have been in response to your letter in the 
UCR or to your thoughtful posts to the list.?It is?possible TL subscribes to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] has a mole real estate professional, who monitors this 
list?for him.

Without spending time, now, analyzing the frailties of the letter, you may want 
to contact Tom Lussenhop?to?confirm his authorship of the email.?However, I 
would start at the top and take the matter directly to Craig Carnaroli, Exec VP 
215-898-6693, [EMAIL PROTECTED] to see who he has tasked to liaison this 
project with the community and what forms of engagement have taken?and will 
take place.

More comments later, once I shake off those stinkin' losing ass Eagles. It is 
time to clean house - starting with Reid and McNabb. They could be great 
business partners. Reid has a great rapport with drug?infused gun toting young 
men and?united with McNabb's upscale?line of urban ware all they need is a 
local gangster spokesman. I believe Beanie will not?presently be?burdened with 
grand theft auto charges.

"Taint" Philly great.

Ciao,

Craig?


-Original Message-
From: Karen Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UC 
Sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 5:54 pm
Subject: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply




I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our "friendly neighborhood hotel
developer."  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
he didn't get it from them.

I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
to any comments we may have?

Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked "not
junk," MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.

Karen


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: Hi


>
> Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
>
> Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
> I'd respond.
>
> First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
> somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
> institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
> drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
> such hotels.
>
> The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
> space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
> 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
> 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
> Word bookshop.
>
> Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
> Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
> them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
> that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
> the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
> neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
> restauarants might pop up!
>
> There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
> Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
> 4244 Osage Ave
>


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