SEMBLACK warning

[Warren Togami]

http://ruleqa.spamassassin.org/20091219-r892451-n/T_RCVD_IN_SEMBLACK/detail

SEMBLACK normally is one of the better performing blacklists, but it 
behaved abnormally in this weekly masscheck.


18.85.2.155 is one IP that was listed, but not listed on any other 
blacklist.  There were many more.


Warren

ABORT Re: PROPOSED: Apache SpamAssassin 3.3.0-rc1.proposed1

[Warren Togami]

On 12/18/2009 08:57 PM, Warren Togami wrote:

This will be released if we go three days without an objection as per build/README 
procedure.  At that point these archives will be renamed to "rc1" and the 
announcements will go out.  Please suggest improvements to this announcement text as well.

Hey users list, now would be a very good time to begin testing 3.3.0 if you haven't 
already.  At this point it has been tested in production on many production servers 
(including my own production server since March 2009), but it is possible we missed a 
corner case of some non-standard configuration that you folks rely upon.  We could use 
your feedback, even if it is only "It works!"  Now is last chance to complain 
if you find a problem.

All of the Priority P1 blocker bugs targeted for 3.3.0 are now closed.  I 
suspect there might be a few minor things we might want to polish before 3.3.0 
final, but otherwise this is VERY CLOSE to what 3.3.0 will be.

Warren Togami
wtog...@redhat.com



I am aborting the release of rc1.proposed1.  There is some problem 
causing spamc/spamd to fail completely.  I am attempting to figure this 
out a possible cause.  Downgrading to beta1 seems to fix my server.


Warren

Re: sa-update perhaps should exit 0 if all is good

[McDonald, Dan]

On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:42 PM, "jida...@jidanni.org"  
 wrote:



Regarding sa-update,
EXIT CODES


This would then not stop Makefiles that call it, nor would one need to
do case $? in 0|1)...; esac.


But it would break scripts that check for a 0 and then run sa-compile  
on the freshly downloaded updates. 

sa-update perhaps should exit 0 if all is good

[jidanni]

Regarding sa-update,
EXIT CODES
   An exit code of 0 means an update was available, and was
   downloaded and installed successfully if --checkonly was
   not specified.

   An exit code of 1 means no fresh updates were available.

I would make this:
  0 means you are all up to date. The connection was made, and if
  something was needed it was download. Anyways you are now all up to
  date.

This would then not stop Makefiles that call it, nor would one need to
do case $? in 0|1)...; esac.

Re: [sa] Re: Whitelists in SA

[Daryl C. W. O'Shea]

On 19/12/2009 5:51 PM, Charles Gregory wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Warren Togami wrote:
>> Why wait, when you do relatively simple things to help make it happen?
>> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/NightlyMassCheck
>> We can more frequently update rules if more people participate in the
>> nightly masschecks.  The current documentation is a bit of a confusing
>> mess unfortunately.
> 
> More unfortunately, privacy concerns prevent me from building a useful
> corpus of ham. Sigh
> 
> But otherwise such a good idea

Can you not trust yourself to use your own ham?  You don't need to
provide us with your mail.  You can scan your own mail locally on your
own machine(s).

Daryl

Re: habeas - tainted white list

[Charles Gregory]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Res wrote:
the only person here at present trolling is you, so for F's sake STFU 
and stop generating massive noise ratio


(nod) Done.

- C

Re: [sa] Re: Whitelists in SA

[Charles Gregory]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Warren Togami wrote:

Why wait, when you do relatively simple things to help make it happen?
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/NightlyMassCheck
We can more frequently update rules if more people participate in the 
nightly masschecks.  The current documentation is a bit of a confusing mess 
unfortunately.


More unfortunately, privacy concerns prevent me from building a useful 
corpus of ham. Sigh


But otherwise such a good idea

- C

RE: Dear Santa

[R-Elists]

> 
> > do i need to read the apache foundation docs somewhere?
> 
> You're of course more than welcome to.  Perhaps the best 
> place to start is here [4] and here [5].
> 
> [1] http://spamassassin.apache.org/
> [2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk/CREDITS
> [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html
> [4] http://www.apache.org/foundation/
> [5] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl
> 
> 

thanks for the info and urls and more Daryl  :-)

 - rh

Re: Dear Santa

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 19 December 2009, Dave Pooser wrote:
>> Love that quote. Think I'll steal it.
>
>It's worth stealing. Charles A. Oriez, aka "Socks the Whitehouse Cat," used
>that .sig file on some mailop/anti-spam lists I frequented back in the day.
>He died back in September of '05, and I later learned that the entire time
>I'd "known" him he'd been living with a diagnosis of terminal cancer (they
>gave him six months-- he held on four years); through chemo and all the
>other sufferings he'd stayed energetically involved in fighting spam and
>helping others learn to do so. Talk about sliding across the finish line
>broadside
>
That would seem to describe it nicely Dave, and it sounds like he apparently 
he lived by that belief.  IMO its a good way to go, cuz at 75, I'm getting 
that worn out feeling myself & diabetes is taking its toll.  But I have so 
many unfinished projects that if I fell over in the next year, my wife would 
have to hire help just to load it into the trash truck, so I don't dare go 
till I've finished a few of them. ;-P

-- 
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them.


"Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown!"
-- The Ghostbusters

Re: Dear Santa

[LuKreme]

On 19-Dec-2009, at 14:40, Dave Pooser wrote:
>> Love that quote. Think I'll steal it.
> 
> It's worth stealing. Charles A. Oriez, aka "Socks the Whitehouse Cat," used
> that .sig file on some mailop/anti-spam lists I frequented back in the day.
> He died back in September of '05, and I later learned that the entire time
> I'd "known" him he'd been living with a diagnosis of terminal cancer (they
> gave him six months-- he held on four years); through chemo and all the
> other sufferings he'd stayed energetically involved in fighting spam and
> helping others learn to do so. Talk about sliding across the finish line
> broadside….

Oh. Well, hell, it's even better now! Thanks for the story.


-- 
'We'll never make it alive!'
CORRECT. --Small Gods

Re: Dear Santa

[Dave Pooser]

> Love that quote. Think I'll steal it.

It's worth stealing. Charles A. Oriez, aka "Socks the Whitehouse Cat," used
that .sig file on some mailop/anti-spam lists I frequented back in the day.
He died back in September of '05, and I later learned that the entire time
I'd "known" him he'd been living with a diagnosis of terminal cancer (they
gave him six months-- he held on four years); through chemo and all the
other sufferings he'd stayed energetically involved in fighting spam and
helping others learn to do so. Talk about sliding across the finish line
broadside
-- 
Dave Pooser
Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com
"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the
finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and
shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna
 

Re: Dear Santa

[Daryl C. W. O'Shea]

On 19/12/2009 11:23 AM, R-Elists wrote:
> i would encourage other SA team members to have a wish list and publish.

A number of committers have have added Amazon wishlists to the CREDITS
file included with the distribution.  The most up-to-date version is
available on our website [1] by clicking CREDITS [2] right off the top
of the home page.  Some of the newer committers have not yet added a
wishlist.

> ummm i am confused though... there are projects out there like CentOS that
> are dealing with things and cannot accept
> donations right now that would go towards the project or team salaries...

I think CentOS is accepting hardware and stuff like that.  It's cash
that they're currently not accepting, I believe, probably due to tax
concerns (but I speculate).

> since SA is part of Apache Foundation, do you get paid or can you get paid
> or how does this all work?

The only staff paid by the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) is 1 (or
maybe 2 now) full time network administrator(s).  Everyone else,
including committers, PMC members, PMC chairs/Apache VPs (me), members
(Justin, Theo, me, etc) and board members/VP/President, etc are not paid.

AFAIK our "in-house" lawyer and even the "main PR person" volunteer
their time.

Many committers/etc that do stuff for the ASF work for companies that
pay them to work on ASF software projects as a part of (or their entire)
 their job.  As far as I know there is no-one involved with SpamAssassin
right now that gets paid for their work.  Except for perhaps, Warren
Togami who I believe is employed by RedHat.  I think even Warren donates
a good bit of his own time though.

The ASF gets revenue to pay the network administrator(s), for hardware,
network infra, etc, solely from sponsorship.  Info on that is here. [3]

> as awesome as SA is, i often wonder why the SA team isnt salaried or
> something to that effect.

It's hard to find people willing to pay for what they can get free.  The
best a lot of open source contributors get is consulting work for custom
integrations or what not.

> do i need to read the apache foundation docs somewhere?

You're of course more than welcome to.  Perhaps the best place to start
is here [4] and here [5].

[1] http://spamassassin.apache.org/
[2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk/CREDITS
[3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html
[4] http://www.apache.org/foundation/
[5] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html

Regards,

Daryl

Re: Dear Santa

[jdow]

And bless you, sir.

Merry Christmas.
{^_^}
- Original Message - 
From: "R-Elists" 

Sent: Friday, 2009/December/18 21:13



Justin,

We were able to knock off 4 items in the Amazon USA list with expedited
shipping 8 to 16 days from USA.

hopefully it will take them off your wish list...

Yes, we would love to see your ummm Sought rules back online if they are 
not

already

are they?

if you need us to put an industrial rackmount HP box with SMP & ILO server
online for it, maybe we can work something out...

Merry Christmas and God Bless!

- rh






hey, if you all insist ;)

http://www.amazon.com/registry/wishlist/1M0UDEXT6A3I7

https://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1G7S5QV025EOX


thanks!  it might help persuade my wife that I need to get that server
reinstalled ;)

--
--j.

oh where oh where...

[RobertH]

you know, with all the duking it out on the list over some methods and such,
where is Jo Rhett when you need him?

he was always short and to the point...

:-)

 - rh

RE: Dear Santa

[R-Elists]

 

> 
> It would be nice to be able to throw some cycles at this 
> problem, but it might take more more to figure out how to do 
> that safely than it's worth?
> 
> Anyway, if something gets figured out count me in on 
> contributing space CPU time.

couldnt the data be encoded and then unencoded during processing?

...or is it to easy to extract the key from the binary processing program
made for private server processing?

 - rh

Re: Dear Santa

[LuKreme]

On 19-Dec-2009, at 09:06, Dave Pooser wrote:
> On 12/18/09 11:13 PM, "R-Elists"  wrote:
> Is there anything that would help out the cause, hardware-wise? I think I
> remember Justin saying that privacy concerns about the email corpus made
> sharing the load impossible -- might it be possible to share the code so
> that some of us could auto-generate rules based on our own ham/spam
> mailstreams, and then share those rules with you for possible SOUGHT
> inclusion?

It would be nice to be able to throw some cycles at this problem, but it might 
take more more to figure out how to do that safely than it's worth?

Anyway, if something gets figured out count me in on contributing space CPU 
time.

> "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
> safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the
> finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and
> shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna

Love that quote. Think I'll steal it.


-- 
[The PSP] could have voice recognition too, so when you go
"nyuuu-uurrr-uuur" you go
faster, an when you go "Ii"
you stop

RE: Dear Santa

[R-Elists]

> 
> Hopefully you didn't buy him that brewing book, or we'll 
> NEVER get any more rules out of him!  :^)
snip
> Is there anything that would help out the cause, 
> hardware-wise? I think I remember Justin saying that privacy 
> concerns about the email corpus made sharing the load 
> impossible -- might it be possible to share the code so that 
> some of us could auto-generate rules based on our own 
> ham/spam mailstreams, and then share those rules with you for 
> possible SOUGHT inclusion?
> --
> Dave Pooser

there were interesting choices... some seemed like for family time and stuff
too.

i would encourage other SA team members to have a wish list and publish.

we are sincerely sad & apologize that we are not able to buy Christmas
presents for everyone on the SA team

for all the stuff you deal with, you deserve many blessings!

ummm i am confused though... there are projects out there like CentOS that
are dealing with things and cannot accept
donations right now that would go towards the project or team salaries...

since SA is part of Apache Foundation, do you get paid or can you get paid
or how does this all work?

as awesome as SA is, i often wonder why the SA team isnt salaried or
something to that effect.

do i need to read the apache foundation docs somewhere?

 - rh

Re: Dear Santa

[Dave Pooser]

On 12/18/09 11:13 PM, "R-Elists"  wrote:

> We were able to knock off 4 items in the Amazon USA list with expedited
> shipping 8 to 16 days from USA.

Hopefully you didn't buy him that brewing book, or we'll NEVER get any more
rules out of him!  :^)

> if you need us to put an industrial rackmount HP box with SMP & ILO server
> online for it, maybe we can work something out...

Is there anything that would help out the cause, hardware-wise? I think I
remember Justin saying that privacy concerns about the email corpus made
sharing the load impossible -- might it be possible to share the code so
that some of us could auto-generate rules based on our own ham/spam
mailstreams, and then share those rules with you for possible SOUGHT
inclusion?
-- 
Dave Pooser
Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com
"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the
finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and
shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna

Re: More Whitelist thoughts...

[Matthias Leisi]

Am 19.12.09 04:18, schrieb Warren Togami:

> DNSWL
> To my surprise, Matthias has begun to implement my recommendations of
> improved manual abuse reporting, and automated abuse reporting.  Their
> accuracy even without automated abuse detection isn't too bad.

In the current testing phase, the reporting process works with a
(overly) simple web form. As soon as the overall tools have matured, I
plan to add eg SMTP as an input into the process.

For the testing, I would appreciate a handful of testers to provide
samples of spam and other forms of abuse from dnswl.org-listed IPs. If
you would be willing to add some samples manually over the next few
days, please drop me a note, and I'll send you a login.

-- Matthias