RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Fazil

Sorry it’s an attempt at being funny,

Your country is known for having a lot of oil and gold at least the royal 
family probably does,

I said I thought that was your currency,

As in doesn’t everyone in your country have their own oil well in the back yard 
of their homes.

If it wasn’t for the middle eastern countries we wouldn’t have most things 
because of oil.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2021 6:08 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

I am sorry, I did not get the joke, *smile)
Thanks!

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

It's not gold bars or buckets of oil just as in new Zealand the currency is not 
bundles of wool from your just over 26 Million sheep or baskets full of Kiwis.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: November 20, 2021 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Waw,
I thought the currency in Saudi was either gold bars,or buckets of oil,

Looks like you do learn new things everyday.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2021 4:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Cash Reader will recognize Saudi Riyal, but it's an expensive app as apps go. 
The app is free to download, but the free version only recognizes the two 
lowest bills of any country's denominations so here in Canada this would be the 
$5 and $10 bills. However, the app can recognize 100 currencies from around the 
world and it is updated frequently when a new currency is added or there are 
changes in the bank notes of supported currencies.
If you purchase the app it will recognize all bills and at least Canadian 
currency it recognizes very well and very fast and pretty much any way you hold 
them whether open or folded in half.
It is faster if you specify which currency you want to recognize, but you can 
set it to "All Currencies" and it will recognize any of the supported 
currencies you show it, but it may take a bit longer because if you tell it, 
for example, to recognize Canadian money it only has to look at the 5 bills we 
have here.
The in-app purchase to unlock full functionality is $34.99.
You can set the app's language to Arabic, but not Punjabi or Urdu. The link for 
the Canadian app store is below and below that is the link to the Cash Reader 
website where all currencies are listed by region, you can use Heading 
navigation to jump from region to region, e.g. Europe, North America, Africa, 
Middle East etc.

‎Cash Reader: Bill Identifier on the App 
Store

Cash Reader Currencies and Languages


Best regards,
Sieghard



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M.
Sent: November 20, 2021 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Hi, Group.
Is there any app to recognize SAR (the denominations of Saudi Arab money?)
Thanks!

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RE: 13 vs 13 pro

[Dennis Long]

I am very happy with my 13 pro.  It has excellent battery life.  

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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:54 AM
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Aside from the LIDAR scanner, which Judy Dixon wrote an excellent article about 
that I will post the link to below, it will have much better battery life than 
the regular 13.
Her article was done in May talking about the 12 Pro which was the first to 
have LIDAR.  The 13 Pro also has LIDAR and the newer processor, etc.
Judy Dixon's article: The Power of LIDAR comes to an iPhone near you:
https://www.afb.org/aw/22/5/17555





Richard
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Subject: 13 vs 13 pro

I will be getting a new phone and currently have the 11 pro. My nephew tells me 
I can save about ''$200 if I get the 13. He has the 13 and says the camera is 
quite good. Are there other features that a blind person would use to warrant 
getting the 13 pro?

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two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Vicky Collins]

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Vicky,

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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unzipping apps on the iPhone

[Wren Langley]

Hi all,

Can apps be unzipped on the iPhone? If so, what app would I use?

Thank you, God bless,

Wren Langley

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FW: Carroll Center for the Blind Virtual Technology Fair, November 23

[Richard Turner]

David Kingsbury gave me permission to forward this invite:


Hi all,
Read about and register for the Carroll Center for the Blind Technology Fair, 
which begins at 10:000 EST this Tuesday November 23, at:
Virtual Technology Fair - The Carroll Center for the 
Blind
The Tech Fair will be conducted remotely via Zoom, and registration is free to 
all. The keynote speaker will be Jonathan Mosen, longtime advoicate for 
visually-impaired and blind people, and host of the Mosen At Large podcast. 
Carroll Center staff members will make presentations about IOS 15 features, 
using Amazon's Alexa, and tips and tricks for using screen reader programs in 
the Windows operating system environment. Visit the Virtual Exhibition Hall 
where you can interact with some of your favorite assistive technology vendors.
Regards,
David



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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Gerardo Corripio]

I've heard cases of people selling iPhones deleting them, but when the new 
buyer starts them, if the previous owner didn't sign out of their iClouds on 
the phone, it'll assume you want to continue working with the previous owner's 
ID. That's why it's very important to sign out nevertheless, just to be on the 
safe side. Good luck!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 21 nov 2021, a la(s) 9:28 a.m., Alan Lemly  escribió:
> 
> 
> Hi Vicky,
> 
> If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
> preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After 
> a complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.
> 
> You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
> volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
> When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
> Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to 
> enter your passcode if you cancel out of it.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Vicky 
> Collins 
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 8:31:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
>  
> First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever 
> an old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
> iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
> iCloud, anyway?
> 
> Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
> Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button 
> for a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always 
> pressed the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button 
> and released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have 
> gotten the dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these 
> instructions for force restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the 
> side button quite a bit longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the 
> way I am, what am I doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?
> 
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Help and instructions needed to use Duolingo please and thank you.

[Wren Langley]

Hi all,
This could be rather long, so I apologize in advance. I decided to learn 
Spanish, so I open the Duolingo app and selected Spanish I got started, created 
my profile, and now I don’t know what to do or where to go. If anyone has use 
this app or knows of a better app could you please help me. I would very very 
much appreciate it. I have spent quite a lot of time figuring this out before I 
finally wrote in. Thank you in advance for any and all help.

God bless,
Wren Langley 

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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
are restarting it.
If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go to 
Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew Side 
button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it because as 
I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call buton.
Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side button 
until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services would be if 
focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am on 
Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:

At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell signal, 
Wi-Fi and battery status on the right
Just underneath that is where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for 
a sighted person it actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of 
double tapping they do a left to right swipe.
After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
Findable After Power Off   Forward"
I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
the screen:
iPhone remains findable after power off.
Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
power off.
The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
family sharing you share location with.
You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
iPhone is powered on again.
Then there is an OK button.
What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after power 
off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is tap the 
OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, but this 
weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any differently by 
Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for clarification 
regarding this.
OK, back to the Power Off screen description:

If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button
Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button
If you explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there is 
a bit of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are pretty 
much right in the middle of the screen.

Lastly, if you swipe right again from the Emergency Call button, you find a 
"Cancel" button and as the name implies, if you double tap here it will again 
close this screen and take you back to wherever you were before.
That button is again after a gap and it's located near the bottom of the screen.
All these buttons go right across most of the screen from left to right, i.e. 
you can touch your screen near the left side and drag your finger down and find 
them or you can touch the screen near the top on the right side or in the 
middle.

You really shouldn't be that afraid, you are much more likely to accidently 
call emergency services if you press the side button too many times repeatedly, 
just pressing and holding a volume button and the side button won't do that if 
you are careful not to double tap afterwards without making sure you are not on 
the emergency call button.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: November 21, 2021 6:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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RE: 13 vs 13 pro

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Given Apple has increased the battery and it's brand-new so it should. But once 
again even after a year of using my iPhone 11 I have no problems getting 
through an entire day and I often am only between 30% and 50% even if I use the 
phone a lot.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: November 21, 2021 5:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 13 vs 13 pro

I am very happy with my 13 pro.  It has excellent battery life.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 13 vs 13 pro

Aside from the LIDAR scanner, which Judy Dixon wrote an excellent article about 
that I will post the link to below, it will have much better battery life than 
the regular 13.
Her article was done in May talking about the 12 Pro which was the first to 
have LIDAR.  The 13 Pro also has LIDAR and the newer processor, etc.
Judy Dixon's article: The Power of LIDAR comes to an iPhone near you:
https://www.afb.org/aw/22/5/17555





Richard
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-Original Message-
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Lyons
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 13 vs 13 pro

I will be getting a new phone and currently have the 11 pro. My nephew tells me 
I can save about ''$200 if I get the 13. He has the 13 and says the camera is 
quite good. Are there other features that a blind person would use to warrant 
getting the 13 pro?

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Re: Help and instructions needed to use Duolingo please and thank you.

[Kimberly]

It’s been quite a while since I started with Duo Lingo, so I don’t recall 
exactly what the process looked like.

I can tell you that there are tabs along the bottom of the screen for different 
areas of the app. The first tab is learning and that is the one you want to 
double tapp. On the next screen you will see a heading called unit 1 and below 
that there are the lessons. I believe the first one is intro followed by 
phrases etc. Are you seeing anything like that?

If you need additional help, we can set up a time to talk or facetime if you 
want. Let me know.

Kim

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Wren Langley  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> This could be rather long, so I apologize in advance. I decided to learn 
> Spanish, so I open the Duolingo app and selected Spanish I got started, 
> created my profile, and now I don’t know what to do or where to go. If anyone 
> has use this app or knows of a better app could you please help me. I would 
> very very much appreciate it. I have spent quite a lot of time figuring this 
> out before I finally wrote in. Thank you in advance for any and all help.
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RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Simon, don't assume things. Fazil is from Pakistan and I believe he asked about 
recognizing Saudi money because he is planning to visit Saudi Arabia, maybe to 
participate in the Hajj, but again now I am making assumptions.
And for those who are not familiar with the concept, in the Islam faith there 
are the so-called 5 Pillars which are the core beliefs and practices defining 
Islam, the Hajj is the the annual pilgrimage to Mecca which every Muslim should 
do at least once in a lifetime, provided one can afford it and can provide for 
their family in their absence and it is the 5th pillar. If anybody wants to 
know the other 4, just Google "What are the 5 Pillars of Islam" and you'll find 
it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: November 21, 2021 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Hi Fazil

Sorry it’s an attempt at being funny,

Your country is known for having a lot of oil and gold at least the royal 
family probably does,

I said I thought that was your currency,

As in doesn’t everyone in your country have their own oil well in the back yard 
of their homes.

If it wasn’t for the middle eastern countries we wouldn’t have most things 
because of oil.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil 
M.
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2021 6:08 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

I am sorry, I did not get the joke, *smile)
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

It's not gold bars or buckets of oil just as in new Zealand the currency is not 
bundles of wool from your just over 26 Million sheep or baskets full of Kiwis.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: November 20, 2021 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Waw,
I thought the currency in Saudi was either gold bars,or buckets of oil,

Looks like you do learn new things everyday.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2021 4:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Cash Reader will recognize Saudi Riyal, but it's an expensive app as apps go. 
The app is free to download, but the free version only recognizes the two 
lowest bills of any country's denominations so here in Canada this would be the 
$5 and $10 bills. However, the app can recognize 100 currencies from around the 
world and it is updated frequently when a new currency is added or there are 
changes in the bank notes of supported currencies.
If you purchase the app it will recognize all bills and at least Canadian 
currency it recognizes very well and very fast and pretty much any way you hold 
them whether open or folded in half.
It is faster if you specify which currency you want to recognize, but you can 
set it to "All Currencies" and it will recognize any of the supported 
currencies you show it, but it may take a bit longer because if you tell it, 
for example, to recognize Canadian money it only has to look at the 5 bills we 
have here.
The in-app purchase to unlock full functionality is $34.99.
You can set the app's language to Arabic, but not Punjabi or Urdu. The link for 
the Canadian app store is below and below that is the link to the Cash Reader 
website where all currencies are listed by region, you can use Heading 
navigation to jump from region to region, e.g. Europe, North America, Africa, 
Middle East etc.

‎Cash Reader: Bill Identifier on the App 
Store

Cash Reader Currencies and Languages


Best regards,
Sieghard



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil 
M.
Sent: November 20, 2021 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

Hi, Group.
Is there any app to recognize SAR (the denominations of Saudi Arab money?)
Thanks!

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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Alan,

I don't entirely agree here, I sometimes have found references to old iPhones 
of mine which I fully erased and sold in my Apple account where I had to remove 
them manually and I wonder if maybe signing out of iCloud is a way to prevent 
this from happening.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 21, 2021 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Hi Vicky,

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Vicky 
Collins 
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 8:31:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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Re: 13 vs 13 pro

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Even with my iPhone 8, I have just had the battery replaced.  I do
like the increased battery life.  I can tell the difference in the
length of time I have between charges compared to what I had before.

On 11/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Given Apple has increased the battery and it's brand-new so it should. But
> once again even after a year of using my iPhone 11 I have no problems
> getting through an entire day and I often am only between 30% and 50% even
> if I use the phone a lot.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Dennis Long
> Sent: November 21, 2021 5:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 13 vs 13 pro
>
> I am very happy with my 13 pro.  It has excellent battery life.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 13 vs 13 pro
>
> Aside from the LIDAR scanner, which Judy Dixon wrote an excellent article
> about that I will post the link to below, it will have much better battery
> life than the regular 13.
> Her article was done in May talking about the 12 Pro which was the first to
> have LIDAR.  The 13 Pro also has LIDAR and the newer processor, etc.
> Judy Dixon's article: The Power of LIDAR comes to an iPhone near you:
> https://www.afb.org/aw/22/5/17555
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
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> kinds of good weather." ~ John Ruskin
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
> Lyons
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 13 vs 13 pro
>
> I will be getting a new phone and currently have the 11 pro. My nephew tells
> me I can save about ''$200 if I get the 13. He has the 13 and says the
> camera is quite good. Are there other features that a blind person would use
> to warrant getting the 13 pro?
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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

My only comment is that Apple should rethink it’s claim to being the most 
secure of the smart phones if completely erasing an iPhone through the reset 
process enables someone acquiring that phone to get into the prior owner’s 
iCloud account. And I’m not sure finding references to old iPhones in your same 
account under the same Apple ID is what’s being discussed here.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

 

Alan,

 

I don't entirely agree here, I sometimes have found references to old iPhones 
of mine which I fully erased and sold in my Apple account where I had to remove 
them manually and I wonder if maybe signing out of iCloud is a way to prevent 
this from happening.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 21, 2021 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

 

Hi Vicky, 

 

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device. 

 

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it. 

 

Alan Lemly 

 

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Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone 

 

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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back to seven little words

[Paula Jordan]

I'm continuing to play 7 little words although it's almost more frustration
than it's worth. I would love to get in touch with the developer, but can't
find the contact information. Could someone please send it to me? It
probably won't make much difference, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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Re: unzipping apps on the iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Wren,

Open the native Files app on your device, navigate to the zip file you want to 
unzip, single finger swipe down until you hear uncompress and double tap. The 
Files app will create a subfolder with the same name as the unzipped file and 
it will contain all the files that were archived in the source zip file.

Alan Lemly

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Langley 
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Subject: unzipping apps on the iPhone

Hi all,

Can apps be unzipped on the iPhone? If so, what app would I use?

Thank you, God bless,

Wren Langley

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Re: back to seven little words

[Kathy Blackburn]

The address is
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On Nov 21, 2021 4:03 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:I’m continuing to play 7 little words although it’s almost more frustration than it’s worth. I would love to get in touch with the developer, but can’t find the contact information. Could someone please send it to me? It probably won’t make much difference, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. Thanks.God bless!Paula and the pups



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RE: App To Recognize SAR (Saudi Money?)

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Sieghard, for such a nice explanation.

Just a little note here, Hajj is performed from eighth and twelfth day of the 
last month of Islamic calendar only, while I am going for Umrah that can be 
performed anytimes of the year.

Thanks!

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Re: Help and instructions needed to use Duolingo please and thank you.

[CHELA Robles]

I use this app all the time it’s very simple to use once you get the hang of 
it. I would go to the learn tab and start with unit one double tap on the 
lesson number one and it should be pretty straightforward. Buena suerte! That 
means good luck in Spanish.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> It’s been quite a while since I started with Duo Lingo, so I don’t recall 
> exactly what the process looked like.
> 
> I can tell you that there are tabs along the bottom of the screen for 
> different areas of the app. The first tab is learning and that is the one you 
> want to double tapp. On the next screen you will see a heading called unit 1 
> and below that there are the lessons. I believe the first one is intro 
> followed by phrases etc. Are you seeing anything like that?
> 
> If you need additional help, we can set up a time to talk or facetime if you 
> want. Let me know.
> 
> Kim
> 
> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
> True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
> justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.
> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Wren Langley  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi all,
>> This could be rather long, so I apologize in advance. I decided to learn 
>> Spanish, so I open the Duolingo app and selected Spanish I got started, 
>> created my profile, and now I don’t know what to do or where to go. If 
>> anyone has use this app or knows of a better app could you please help me. I 
>> would very very much appreciate it. I have spent quite a lot of time 
>> figuring this out before I finally wrote in. Thank you in advance for any 
>> and all help.
>> 
>> God bless,
>> Wren Langley 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Vicky,

The vol up / down and power doesn't turn the phone off it just restarts the 
phone for you.

Just use vol down and power at the same time,and flick to the power off,

As for signing ou of iCloud,

Yes you can  I normally do both find my and icloud / apple id at the time I do 
the eraise,

That way I get it all done in one go.


 But I would suggest when turning the phone off at the end,

Turn vo on and then use the power and vol down to find the shutdoewn button on 
the screen 
That way you get it correct rather than ringing your local emergency services.


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Sent: Monday, 22 November 2021 3:31 am
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Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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Re: Help and instructions needed to use Duolingo please and thank you.

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Just FWIW, I would recommend using it on desktop, not on mobile. The mobile 
version is mostly matching and such, whereas on the desktop web app you have 
the option of needing to actually type in the answer.

> On Nov 21, 2021, at 6:34 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> I use this app all the time it’s very simple to use once you get the hang of 
> it. I would go to the learn tab and start with unit one double tap on the 
> lesson number one and it should be pretty straightforward. Buena suerte! That 
> means good luck in Spanish.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s been quite a while since I started with Duo Lingo, so I don’t recall 
>> exactly what the process looked like.
>> 
>> I can tell you that there are tabs along the bottom of the screen for 
>> different areas of the app. The first tab is learning and that is the one 
>> you want to double tapp. On the next screen you will see a heading called 
>> unit 1 and below that there are the lessons. I believe the first one is 
>> intro followed by phrases etc. Are you seeing anything like that?
>> 
>> If you need additional help, we can set up a time to talk or facetime if you 
>> want. Let me know.
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
>> True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
>> justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Wren Langley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> This could be rather long, so I apologize in advance. I decided to learn 
>>> Spanish, so I open the Duolingo app and selected Spanish I got started, 
>>> created my profile, and now I don’t know what to do or where to go. If 
>>> anyone has use this app or knows of a better app could you please help me. 
>>> I would very very much appreciate it. I have spent quite a lot of time 
>>> figuring this out before I finally wrote in. Thank you in advance for any 
>>> and all help.
>>> 
>>> God bless,
>>> Wren Langley 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Donna Casteen]

Sieghard, the Find My feature that you came across is a feature in which the 
phones last location is sent to Apple & any friends before the phone is powered 
off or before the battery in the phone dies from the neglect to charge the 
phone battery. The setting to turn this feature on/off is in settings, but I 
can't recall if it is in battery, Find My, SOS or possibly even some place else.

Donna
  
> 
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
> you are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right
> Just underneath that is where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, 
> for a sighted person it actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of 
> double tapping they do a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off   Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is 
> tap the OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, 
> but this weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any 
> differently by Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for 
> clarification regarding this.
> OK, back to the Power Off screen description:
> 
> If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button
> Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button
> If you explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there 
> is a bit of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are 
> pretty much right in the middle of the screen.
> 
> Lastly, if you swipe right again from the Emergency Call button, you find a 
> "Cancel" button and as the name implies, if you double tap here it will again 
> close this screen and take you back to wherever you were before.
> That button is again after a gap and it's located near the bottom of the 
> screen.
> All these buttons go right across most of the screen from left to right, i.e. 
> you can touch your screen near the left side and drag your finger down and 
> find them or you can touch the screen near the top on the right side or in 
> the middle.
> 
> You really shouldn't be that afraid, you are much more likely to accidently 
> call emergency services if you press the side button too many times 
> repeatedly, just pressing and holding a volume button and the side button 
> won't do that if you are careful not to double tap afterwards without making 
> sure you are not on the emergency call button.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever 
> an old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
> iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
> iCloud, anyway?
> 
> Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
> Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button 
> for a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always 
> pressed the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button 
> and released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have

Re: Help and instructions needed to use Duolingo please and thank you.

[CHELA Robles]

I also have to agree with Brandon on this one as well. Go to duolingo.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Just FWIW, I would recommend using it on desktop, not on mobile. The mobile 
> version is mostly matching and such, whereas on the desktop web app you have 
> the option of needing to actually type in the answer.
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 6:34 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> I use this app all the time it’s very simple to use once you get the hang of 
>> it. I would go to the learn tab and start with unit one double tap on the 
>> lesson number one and it should be pretty straightforward. Buena suerte! 
>> That means good luck in Spanish.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 21, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
 
>>> It’s been quite a while since I started with Duo Lingo, so I don’t recall 
>>> exactly what the process looked like.
>>> 
>>> I can tell you that there are tabs along the bottom of the screen for 
>>> different areas of the app. The first tab is learning and that is the one 
>>> you want to double tapp. On the next screen you will see a heading called 
>>> unit 1 and below that there are the lessons. I believe the first one is 
>>> intro followed by phrases etc. Are you seeing anything like that?
>>> 
>>> If you need additional help, we can set up a time to talk or facetime if 
>>> you want. Let me know.
>>> 
>>> Kim
>>> 
>>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
>>> True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
>>> justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.
>>> 
> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Wren Langley  wrote:
> 
 Hi all,
 This could be rather long, so I apologize in advance. I decided to learn 
 Spanish, so I open the Duolingo app and selected Spanish I got started, 
 created my profile, and now I don’t know what to do or where to go. If 
 anyone has use this app or knows of a better app could you please help me. 
 I would very very much appreciate it. I have spent quite a lot of time 
 figuring this out before I finally wrote in. Thank you in advance for any 
 and all help.
 
 God bless,
 Wren Langley 
 
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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Vicky Collins]

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right
> Just underneath that is where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, 
> for a sighted person it actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of 
> double tapping they do a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is 
> tap the OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, 
> but this weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any 
> differently by Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for 
> clarification regarding this.
> OK, back to the Power Off screen description:
> 
> If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button
> Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button
> If you explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there 
> is a bit of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are 
> pretty much right in the middle of the screen.
> 
> Lastly, if you swipe right again from the Emergency Call bu

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Vicky,

I also get a power off button at the top of the screen when pressing and 
releasing volume up, pressing and releasing volume down, then holding down the 
side power button for a couple of seconds. Only power off and cancel are on the 
screen with this method. If the side power button is held down for several 
seconds with this method, the phone does a hard reset. This is on my iPhone 13 
Mini.

I'm curious why your iPhone 12 Mini is in a drawer. You really didn't explain 
what the problem is with it. I love my 13 Mini.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
> a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off b

Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Vicky Collins]

Oh, grin, I'm hoping there's no problem with my iPhone 12 Mini. But well, 
although I really do want that phone and plan to keep it, I wound up getting 
two other iPhones that I wasn't expecting as I had planned them for family 
members, thus I just haven't gotten around to unpacking the 12 Mini yet.

- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 11:49 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> Hi Vicky,
> 
> I also get a power off button at the top of the screen when pressing and 
> releasing volume up, pressing and releasing volume down, then holding down 
> the side power button for a couple of seconds. Only power off and cancel are 
> on the screen with this method. If the side power button is held down for 
> several seconds with this method, the phone does a hard reset. This is on my 
> iPhone 13 Mini.
> 
> I'm curious why your iPhone 12 Mini is in a drawer. You really didn't explain 
> what the problem is with it. I love my 13 Mini.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 10:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
> button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
> for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
> anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen 
> where I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button 
> and released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then 
> pressed the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it 
> even said power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen 
> had come up. However, if when following the above procedure I held down the 
> side button for about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed 
> restart.
> Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
> used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it 
> to a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
> purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone 
> and a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
> batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it 
> in its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for 
> it. My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 
> percent but still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery 
> might last a few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching 
> will often, but not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and 
> it never lasts more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the 
> battery for that phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how 
> long it will last, sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and 
> then going down to zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as 
> going a couple of layers into the settings.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
> Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> >
> >
> > When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
> > you are restarting it.
> > If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can 
> > go to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> > This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> > Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> > because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency 
> > call buton.
> > Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> > button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> > would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> > I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I 
> > am on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to 
> > make sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> > 
> > At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> > signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> > it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> > actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they 
> > do a left to right swipe.
> > After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> > literally the following "location