RE: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
Oh come on... just one more? What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons? -m
[Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Hello group, This is via E-Cat World [1]. Follow this link: http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298 Click Contents on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is: Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source? Enjoy your read, S.A. [1] http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
On 2012-07-07 12:08, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Lightweight html-only version for the bandwidth challenged: http://www.mydigitalpublication.com//display_article.php?id=1104768 Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Lightweight html-only version for the bandwidth challenged: http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com//**display_article.php?id=1104768http://www.mydigitalpublication.com//display_article.php?id=1104768 This version is easier to access. The content is nothing to write home about but the venue is remarkable. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Extending on Peter Gluck’s concept of LENR+ as a supplemented LENR design, I offer to classify this new Rossi design as a LENR++ design. DGT LENR+ technology has been superseded by Rossi’s new LERN++ design. I will wait for this new Rossi device to be commercially available for home use before I make a buying decision on my own personal LENR unit. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: This new information is the major reason for my post. The control is now far superior if the recent reports are accurate. The actual operating temperature of the core internally is not different unless it can now be elevated without danger of thermal run away, and if the process is totally under control of something as simple as an electric current then he has a much improved device. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations In the old style E-Cat core, the flow of coolant water was the way the E-Cat heat production process was controlled. Water flow was increased to retard the reaction, and conversely water flow was retarded to increase the reaction. On the other hand, the DGT core is also thermionic. DGT turns the reaction off and on to produce a pulsed heat source where heat generation is averaged over a period of time. Because the reaction mechanism is no longer thermionic, there is no coolant involved, electric control alone can regulate the reaction in the E-Cat core. In the new solid state E-Cat design,a steady flow of input electric current results in a steady level of direct output of heat production. The elimination of thermionic control is major progress made possible by the design of the solid state E-Cat, IMHO. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: I just want to remind people that the claimed operating temperature of 600C is not new. When Rossi presented the ecat in Jan 2011, he said the core would reach temperatures around 600C, but the heated water only just boiled. Now he claims the core is stable at 600C but he is not doing anything with the generated heat. Is this progress or puffery? Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Recently it has been reported that the latest version of the Rossi ECAT can operate at 600 degrees centigrade or more without going unstable. This is a remarkable improvement if accurate and it is suggested that the proof will be delivered soon. The earlier versions of the device tended to become unstable when the temperature increased much beyond the operational level and now that appears to be under control. To operate in such a manner suggests that the mechanism which establishes the LENR activity is mostly independent of temperature of the device. Actually it might imply that now there is a form of negative feedback operating which tends to throttle back the energy generation process once a threshold temperature is reached. I have long hoped that the driver source could become independent of the output states in LENR devices since that would devoice the devices from the strong temperature effects that have made stability a big problem to contend with. Imagine how wonderful it will be if we are able to control the reaction by just changing the drive with minor temperature degradations. There has been a lot of recent activity related to carbon nanotubes and variation in the waveforms driving the LENR devices. Perhaps Rossi has found a good combination of hydrogen storage with release control and an electrical signal that work together as a system. Time will reveal if all or any of this is true. Maybe someone within the group has knowledge of the operation of the Patterson cells which seemed to use an electric current as the control handle. Was that device sensitive to temperature in the manner associated with positive feedback or more benign as would be expected if negative feedback were dominate? I for one would welcome the improvements in the Rossi device that have been outlined, but have learned from experience that it is easy to say something remarkable but then not follow up with the goods. Perhaps this time we will see the results that we so much anticipate. Dave -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
Let's go back to the busload of Higgs bosons ... Sitting bull :) -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Oh come on... just one more? What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons? -m
RE: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
From Akira: http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298 http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298 Click Contents on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is: Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source? Enjoy your read, S.A. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/ http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/ I did! Thanks. Akira. As both you and Jed Rothwell point out there is the light weight HTML version, which was a lot easier to access. http://www.mydigitalpublication.com//display_article.php?id=1104768 http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/display_article.php?id=1104768 These days I have a dual monitor quad core workstation that I use at home. I was able to load the full-feature publication on one of my monitor screens. As I was Flipping through the pages it reminded me of the old Gopher days. Some on the Vort list may still remember Gopher. It was one of the ways we accessed files via FTP on the internet before Mosaic came along. Mosaic was considered the first recognized web browser when it hit the scene back in the 1990s. Back then I wuz working at University of Wisconsin, Division of Information Technology, developing and loading university course descriptions by generating primitive static HTML files through the use of CGI and PERL scripts. For me personally, as I was flipping through the pages of this digital publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor screen - as if to give the reader some contrived sense of familiarity and comfort. This is like trying to pill” you dog or cat with medication that you think they will refuse if they were actually allowed to see and taste the pill for what it actually is - MEDICATION. In a sense, they are insulting the intelligence of their readers by assuming they simply can't deal with reading publications in a more direct authentic digital format. Eventually, as ebooks become more ubiquitous, these ridiculous vestigial throw-back visual aids will go away. The younger generation will not care since most of what they read will be in electronic format. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Eventually, as ebooks become more ubiquitous, these ridiculous vestigial throw-back visual aids will go away. The younger generation will not care since most of what they read will be in electronic format. Maybe, but I would like an ebook made with epaper. It would be similiar to an artist's sketch book which consists of blank pages. Harry
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
Dear Peter, obviously I missed this one, Could You provide a link? The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is somewhat like a random heating up on several locations. If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated 1000degC) would be self-annihilate by melting. Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on hopefully realistic grounds. But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles. If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our human desires at large. (hope this is understandable) I am not ready for that. Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No. All the best Guenter Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
a mass uprising? harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Oh come on... just one more? What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons? -m
Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
Good one. I shared this on facebook. Harry On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012 and the type 13 planets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDKo7pTwIwA Quit looking!
RE: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons
Close! Mass Ascention... -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bosons and Bogons a mass uprising? harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Oh come on... just one more? What do you call an elevator going up filled with Higgs bosons? -m
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
Dear Guenter, Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for Defkalion 650C or a search on their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also written at Mats's Nyteknik. An example from many: Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/ 26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists. they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test) and according . I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are destroyed fast over 400C. There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our world/science views. And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process. Progress! Peter On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: Dear Peter, obviously I missed this one, Could You provide a link? The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is somewhat like a random heating up on several locations. If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated 1000degC) would be self-annihilate by melting. Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on hopefully realistic grounds. But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles. If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our human desires at large. (hope this is understandable) I am not ready for that. Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No. All the best Guenter -- *Von:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Joke: What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle
Greetings Vortex-l: What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle Santa Claus is Real. Ron Kita, Chiralex A note on the Virtual: To describe the indescribable, what the Higgs Boson does is create a field of virtual particles that pop in and out of existence, and while they’re in existence those virtual particles provide mass to other particles that are able to interact with them.
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: Lightweight html-only version for the bandwidth challenged: http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com//**display_article.php?id=1104768http://www.mydigitalpublication.com//display_article.php?id=1104768 Cheers, S.A. Out of curiosity, I took a look at the flashier version of the article. I think they might have paid a lot for a gimmick intended to leave an impression on people. Ultimately, though, serious readers will prefer a simple presentation without too many bells and whistles; too much slickness, and especially the poorly executed variety, can easily interfere with what you're trying to communicate. I like their reference to the whaling industry. That is one possible way to understand what could happen to the petroleum industry if LENR can be profitably commercialized. Other models are the publishing industry and the recording industry. There are similarities between each as well as differences. In this regard I wonder whether the authors have understand their target audience; it is plausible that if confronted with a serious challenge, the types of plans the oil industry would develop would center more on the courtroom than on adapting to the new technological reality. In addition the industry might try to move up the chain into higher-quality niches and leave LENR to home-heating and mobile power generation markets, not appreciating that these would just be the entry points. Clayton Christensen, a well-known business professor, has formulated an interesting explanation about how businesses that are dominant in a market and staffed with competent people making rational, defensible decisions, can lose their dominant position in a brief period of time. Somehow the organizations choose to ignore the impending threat, or they are aware of it but are unable to come up with an adequate response. The description of LENR in the article did a poor job of separating fact from theory and conjecture. I think those of us involved in popularizing LENR are largely to blame for this. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Nice speculation. More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy industry if Santa Claus is real. Cheers Suz 2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Hello group, This is via E-Cat World [1]. Follow this link: http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com/**publication/?i=116298http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298 Click Contents on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is: Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source? Enjoy your read, S.A. [1] http://www.e-catworld.com/**2012/07/editorial-in-oil-** industry-trade-magazine-**focuses-on-lenr-threat/http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: For me personally, as I was flipping through the pages of this digital publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor screen - Some of the early word processors imitated a typewriter, only allowing you to add text at the bottom. You had to scroll down the page to make corrections. New technology usually imitates the old, even when it would be easier not to. Early clay baskets were often made to look as if they were woven, which must have taken a lot of work. I discussed this in Chapter 7 of my book. In that same chapter I discussed Christensen's book, which I highly recommend. I have been in contact with Prof. C. from time to time about cold fusion. - Jed
[Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nano-carbon LENRs
Lattice Energy LLC recently posted a new presentation reviewing evidence for LENRs in carbon nanostructures: LENRs on Hydrogenated Fullerenes and Graphene-July 6 2012 http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-on-hydrogenated-fullerenes-and-graphenejuly-6-2012 Especially interesting since carbon supports ballistic current at high temperatures. Slide 26 cites this intriguing paper: Macroscopic Transport of Mega-ampere Electron Currents in Aligned Carbon-Nanotube ArraysPhys. Rev. Lett. 108, 235005 (2012) http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i23/e235005 ABSTRACT: We demonstrate that aligned carbon-nanotube arrays are efficient transporters of laser-generated mega-ampere electron currents over distances as large as a millimeter. A direct polarimetric measurement of the temporal and the spatial evolution of the megagauss magnetic fields (as high as 120 MG) at the target rear at an intensity of (10^1810^19)W/cm2 was corroborated by the rear-side hot electron spectra. Simulations show that such high magnetic flux densities can only be generated by a very well collimated fast electron bunch. A couple of interesting nanotech papers (not cited): Quantum statistical model for superconducting phase in graphene and nanotubes http://arxiv.org/pdf/0903.0701.pdf ABSTRACT: A quantum statistical theory is presented, supporting a superconducting state of an ultrahigh critical temperature (1275 K) in the multiwalled nanotubes reported by Zhao and Beeli [Phys. Rev.B 77, 245433 (2008)]. Patent application title: NANOGAP DEVICE FOR FIELD ENHANCEMENT AND A SYSTEM FOR NANOPARTICLE DETECTION USING THE SAME www.google.com/patents/US20110220799.pdf ITEM[40] -- ...it is possible to reduce a critical dimension with respect to a wavelength to maximally lambda/10,000. This is enormous focusing degree of one hundred million times the intensity or energy of the electromagnetic wave.
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
I agree. AFAIK Santa existence is still sponsored by toy industry. As much as the Santa Claus TM helps selling toys to kids, so much the Santa Boson TM is used to help raising funds among politicians. mic 2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com: On 2012-07-07 21:27, Susanna Gipp wrote: Nice speculation. More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy industry if Santa Claus is real. As Jed noted, what's interesting is not the content, but rather the venue. The Journal of Petroleum Technology [1] where this article got published is a reputable publication in its field, from what I gather. By the way, it apparently got linked on ECW by one of its authors, Steve Jacobs. They appear to take this matter seriously (co-author David Nagel certainly does. You might have read about him if you followed LENR-related news over the past years). Your Santa Claus reference is inappropriate. “I am from the petroleum industry and LENR is now being watched closely. An article was just published in the July Journal of Petroleum Technology. I authored it. LENR is definitely on the radar.” Cheers, S.A. [1] http://www.jptonline.org/
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
On 2012-07-07 17:38, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: I did! Thanks. Akira. As both you and Jed Rothwell point out there is the light weight HTML version, which was a lot easier to access. [...] I think the probable reason why the flashy version was made that way is because it's not much more than a digital dump of the printed issue. It's provided for convenience and additional public reach but it's not really meant to be read on a pc. An edition specifically intended for online consumption would have probably been laid out differently. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Someday this might be a common mode of personal transport. http://www.base24.com/ harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: For me personally, as I was flipping through the pages of this digital publication on my monitor screen I began to realize how ridiculous this contrived use of technology was being used for. It was being used in such a half-assed way. There is absolutely no valid reason to try to continue mimicking the illusion of flipping through individual pages on a monitor screen - Some of the early word processors imitated a typewriter, only allowing you to add text at the bottom. You had to scroll down the page to make corrections. New technology usually imitates the old, even when it would be easier not to. Early clay baskets were often made to look as if they were woven, which must have taken a lot of work. I discussed this in Chapter 7 of my book. In that same chapter I discussed Christensen's book, which I highly recommend. I have been in contact with Prof. C. from time to time about cold fusion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!
Santa merges with Bozo the Clown http://youtu.be/W1QocuhhXK4 Harry On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. AFAIK Santa existence is still sponsored by toy industry. As much as the Santa Claus TM helps selling toys to kids, so much the Santa Boson TM is used to help raising funds among politicians. mic 2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com: On 2012-07-07 21:27, Susanna Gipp wrote: Nice speculation. More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy industry if Santa Claus is real. As Jed noted, what's interesting is not the content, but rather the venue. The Journal of Petroleum Technology [1] where this article got published is a reputable publication in its field, from what I gather. By the way, it apparently got linked on ECW by one of its authors, Steve Jacobs. They appear to take this matter seriously (co-author David Nagel certainly does. You might have read about him if you followed LENR-related news over the past years). Your Santa Claus reference is inappropriate. “I am from the petroleum industry and LENR is now being watched closely. An article was just published in the July Journal of Petroleum Technology. I authored it. LENR is definitely on the radar.” Cheers, S.A. [1] http://www.jptonline.org/
Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
Peter, somehow I missed that. Anyway. 200 degC would be quite something. 400degC would be disruptive. 600degC earth-shattering. A range where I am having some conceptual difficulties with. Presumably theory also. But this is commonsensical extrapolation from my side,without any firm ground, I must confess. As stated, such a simple parameter like temperature could seriously challenge my worldview, which worries me somehow, but I do not reject it out of hand. We will see. all the best Guenter Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:27 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Guenter, Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for Defkalion 650C or a search on their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also written at Mats's Nyteknik. An example from many: Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/ 26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists. they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test) and according . I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are destroyed fast over 400C. There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our world/science views. And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process. Progress! Peter On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Dear Peter, obviously I missed this one, Could You provide a link? The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is somewhat like a random heating up on several locations. If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated 1000degC) would be self-annihilate by melting. Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on hopefully realistic grounds. But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles. If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our human desires at large. (hope this is understandable) I am not ready for that. Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No. All the best Guenter Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations
So Guenter, Why would seriously challenging you worldview worry you? Wouldn’t you prefer the truth, even if it completely decimates your worldview? As a scientist/engineer, I want to know what *IS*, not what happens to agree with my current understanding of what is… -Mark From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:50 PM To: Peter Gluck Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Peter, somehow I missed that. Anyway. 200 degC would be quite something. 400degC would be disruptive. 600degC earth-shattering. A range where I am having some conceptual difficulties with. Presumably theory also. But this is commonsensical extrapolation from my side,without any firm ground, I must confess. As stated, such a simple parameter like temperature could seriously challenge my worldview, which worries me somehow, but I do not reject it out of hand. We will see. all the best Guenter _ Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:27 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Guenter, Nothing easier- if you make a Google Search for Defkalion 650C or a search on their Forum for 650C you will find tens of links. It was also written at Mats's Nyteknik. An example from many: Real news from Defkalion « nickelpower nickelpower.org/2012/03/26/real-news-from-defkalion/ 26 Mar 2012 – Rossi is a “one-man-band” and Defkalion has 27 scientists. they say that they reactor work until 650C (limit of bare rector test) and according . I had a cognitive shock- what they have is a process different from Piantelli's based on preformed nanoclusters. Those clusters are destroyed fast over 400C. There are many implications but I don't think we have to change our world/science views. And now Rossi re-discovers this high temperature process. Progress! Peter On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Dear Peter, obviously I missed this one, Could You provide a link? The temperature issue obviously is a very central one, and, I must confess, contradicts my theories of the inner working of the e-cat/Hyperion, which is somewhat like a random heating up on several locations. If this would be the case , those random heat-centers (estimated 1000degC) would be self-annihilate by melting. Ofcourse we are theoretizing on this issue, but controllability in the 650degC domain would indicate that the process is quite homogenous, and not sporadicly dispersed over say 1-10 um2 heat centers- as I up to now hypothesized, on hopefully realistic grounds. But maybe this is only my worldview, which crumbles. If this would be the case, it would indicate that this is a VERY benign process, and, I must confess, I would -as said- have to rework my entire worldview, which is based on randomness and the universe's indifference to our human desires at large. (hope this is understandable) I am not ready for that. Therefore I remain sceptical. LENR: Yes. Saving us from our follies - or extending them: No. All the best Guenter _ Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 15:19 Samstag, 7.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know why it is #12 Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ? By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story. Source: http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know why it is #12 Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ? By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story. Source: http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/ Unfortunately, very few people believe Rossi is being honest and forthright. He is gradually losing his followers and admirers. He needs to promptly show some actual test data, and pictures of the 20 supposed 600C test units. Scummed to the Man w/ the $$$. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 at WM
The 1 MW plant is on the market. If you want data, you need money. *Dear Antonella: You are right, anybody can buy a 1 MW plant and make all the tests he wants and obviously anybody is free to give information to anybody regarding a property of his. Warm Regards, A.R.* On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-07-04 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know why it is #12 Maybe 12 stands for 2012 ? By the way, I posted here to point that apparently a Popular Science writer was there and will be doing a 4000 words feature story. Source: http://pesn.com/2012/07/07/9602127_Jim_Dunns_Report_on_LENR_conference_in_Williamsburg/ Unfortunately, very few people believe Rossi is being honest and forthright. He is gradually losing his followers and admirers. He needs to promptly show some actual test data, and pictures of the 20 supposed 600C test units. Scummed to the Man w/ the $$$. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:Joke: What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle
What is the difference between Santa Claus and the Higgs Particle Santa Claus is Real. Ron Kita, Chiralex A note on the Virtual: To describe the indescribable, what the Higgs Boson does is create a field of virtual particles that pop in and out of existence, and while they’re in existence those virtual particles provide mass to other particles that are able to interact with them. http://littlefanpages.com/94588 A Higgs boson walks in to catholic church, the priest says' your kind aren't welcome here' and the higgs boson replies 'but without me there would be no mass'
[Vo]:Popular Science LENR Cold Fusion article and Forbes
Greetings Vortex, I saw in the William and Mary post that there is a proposed 8 page article on LENR Cold Fusion in Popular Science--Great Also. Where is Mark Gibbs of Forbes? When the body of evidence is larger than everWhy is Forbes silent??? Actions speak louder than words. Did Forbes ever have an agenda to present the Good News on LENRor merely be a Luddite and put sand in the gears??? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA