Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field magnetic fields which arise from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal toroidal polarization of their http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital electron orbitals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 [15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22 [23]. These include suing several journals, including http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Dera Mark, after so many years the memories are nor unpleasant, just interesting. His model had no success but he has his supporters. His magnecules are not used anywhere, as far as I know. He is (was) (could be) a very nice person..Cultured. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, **IF** he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? ** ** His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: ** ** http://www.scientificethics.org ** ** particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? ** ** I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: ** ** See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was* *** very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. ** ** Peter ** ** On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill ** ** Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 ** ** Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, ** ** Did he sue Horace? ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
I don't know his model. But the idea is extremely similar to Horace's... 2012/1/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dera Mark, after so many years the memories are nor unpleasant, just interesting. His model had no success but he has his supporters. His magnecules are not used anywhere, as far as I know. He is (was) (could be) a very nice person..Cultured. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, **IF** he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? ** ** His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: ** ** http://www.scientificethics.org ** ** particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? ** ** I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: ** ** See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. ** ** Peter ** ** On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill ** ** Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 ** ** Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, ** ** Did he sue Horace? ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
His model is on his website and in many other Web places . Horace can answer you re this similarity issue. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know his model. But the idea is extremely similar to Horace's... 2012/1/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dera Mark, after so many years the memories are nor unpleasant, just interesting. His model had no success but he has his supporters. His magnecules are not used anywhere, as far as I know. He is (was) (could be) a very nice person..Cultured. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, **IF** he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? ** ** His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: ** ** http://www.scientificethics.org ** ** particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? ** ** I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: ** ** See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli *** * A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. ** ** Peter ** ** On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill ** ** Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_orbital.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-ijh-13 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-14 ** ** Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas [23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli#cite_note-22. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Energy, to force them to cite his work, ** ** Did he sue Horace? ** ** ** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com ** ** ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com ** ** -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. It was awful. One of the many trials and tribulations Gene had to bear. I don't know much about it. I have never encountered Santilli. Never heard from him. I hope I never do! He has not sent me a paper for LENR-CANR.org. I wouldn't think of responding or uploading it if he did! He's crazy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Sorry I was mislead by my cynicism. Santilli is sincere and credentialed. I guess he became litigious after having to endure the label fringe scientist for years. The link to his complaint against Infinite Energy is dead. Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Snubbed by mainstream, scrappy scientist sues The Palm Harbor man wants the courts to force his detractors to take his ideas seriously. By CARRIE WEIMAR Published May 9, 2007 TAMPA - Ruggero Santilli is frustrated. After a long career as an academic, the Palm Harbor physicist says he isn't getting the respect he deserves... http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/09/Hillsborough/Snubbed_by_mainstream.shtml Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
Dear Harry, Santilli had a dispute re Theory with an other Italian scientist (Corso, if I remember well) and Infinite Energy was transformed in an arena of fight. The subject was only tangential to cold fusion and Gene has stopped the publication of this polemics. This was the cause of the lawsuit. It has happened in 1998 and 1999. Nasty, nothing to do with the opppression of Santilli. If you want to know what is doing Santilli now please search for MagneGas.The way from Aquafuel to Magnegas was very tortuous.Ther was also a company called Earthfirst Technologies that went bankrupt in 2008. Really not much to do with our area of interest. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I was mislead by my cynicism. Santilli is sincere and credentialed. I guess he became litigious after having to endure the label fringe scientist for years. The link to his complaint against Infinite Energy is dead. Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace?
From my reading of the actual letters between him and colleagues at various universities, I think he has good reason to be angry... but like he said later in life, the scientists who basically 'blacklisted' him in the academic world actually did him a favor; he was able to find very competent mathematicians and physicists to help develop his theories, and eventually he made more $ by pitching his work to the commercial sector; capitalism to the rescue. That first Volume contains more than 100 letters, and I can't remember one that was disrespectful or angry. His letters were sincere and respectful, even to those who he felt wronged him, but that only was up to 1984. I suspect that his attitude changed after 20+ years of being blacklisted. He really had to fight back, and he chose to use the legal system. Effective, but probably caused even more resentment and a 'perception' that he was 'crazy', which has only hampered his efforts to gain respect for his work. From what I've read so far, karma worked in this case... or at least to his side; I think Santilli is still waiting for Weinberg and others to get theirs. -Mark -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? Sorry I was mislead by my cynicism. Santilli is sincere and credentialed. I guess he became litigious after having to endure the label fringe scientist for years. The link to his complaint against Infinite Energy is dead. Harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Peter, Sorry to dig up old, unpleasant memories, however, *IF* he has a better model for hadrons, should he not get credit? His side of the issue with scientific journals is explained here: http://www.scientificethics.org particularly with World Scientific, this page: http://www.scientificethics.org/ir8.htm -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:59 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Santilli and Horace? I commented in other thread- he has sued me and many others: See Lawsuits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli A very ugly story- I remember that being a member of the advisory board I have had to pay 12,000 USD fine. The lawsuit did not started but Gene was very upset and stressed by this affair. An even uglier story- Richardson's AQUAFUEL, Leon Toups, magnecules. (1998 - ) However Ruggero is a great mathematician, beyond any doubt. Peter On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santill Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Santilli has filed a number of lawsuits related to his scientific ideas[23]. These include suing several journals, including Infinite Energy, to force them to cite his work, Did he sue Horace? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
