Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-14 Thread Jones Beene 

An example?

http://current.com/items/87014271_elemental_the_generator_that_runs_on_background_radiation






Frederick Sparber wrote:

Jones.
 
A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^12 % according to CRC tables) is 
known.
 
With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they 
could
make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up 
with the bent gun.
 
OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty 
energy release if

they are in potassium or argon. No?
 
Fred

Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-04 Thread Edmund Storms 
The cold fusion process does not produce gamma for several reasons. 
Immediate release of gamma does not occur because such a reaction is not 
effective in conserving the momentum of the reaction. Instead, if a 
reaction is to occur at all, two charged particle must be emitted. Of 
course, some of the energy and momentum can go directly into the 
lattice, but the amount can not be very large as shown by studies of 
this process independent of CF. Gamma radiation is not emitted as a 
delayed release of energy because none is stored in the products. The 
reaction at low energy apparently goes to the lowest energy state 
immediately. In other words, the conditions in which such reactions 
occur make a big difference to how energy is released.


Anyway this is my humble explanation.

Ed

thomas malloy wrote:


Frederick Sparber wrote:


Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the
radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range?
Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment 
where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in 
the O2 ?)  A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom



Strange indeed, I've always speculated that the energy, which is 
normally expressed as a gamma, goes else where. Perhaps the good doctor 
will talk to us about this.




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Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-04 Thread thomas malloy 

Frederick Sparber wrote:


Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the
radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range?
Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment 
where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in 
the O2 ?)  A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom


Strange indeed, I've always speculated that the energy, which is 
normally expressed as a gamma, goes else where. Perhaps the good doctor 
will talk to us about this.




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Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-04 Thread Frederick Sparber 
Instead of laboring over cathode treatment in random replication results for
gas discharge or electrolysis CF reactions, why not use "Muonic Altered
Water: MAW, that can be obtained by bombarding an electrical discharge in
Steam in front of a Muon Source, like the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility
(LAMPF) that used 800 MeV protons (less than the 936 MeV rest energy of the
proton) hitting a copper target? Extinct?

Potassium compounds or Argon gas Etc., also?

The "secret ingredient" in the Yusmar water that Scott Little at Earthtech
wondered about in the early days?

On Dec 3, 2007 11:38 PM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> An extensive treatment of the interaction of water on solid surfaces
> (about 10 megabytes) gives insight on how a  "Muonic Entity" could catalyze
> CF reactions on the cathode of
> an electrolysis cell. It also touches on the effect of oxygen wrt the
> water interaction with
> the surfaces.
>
>
> http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~wchen/Madey_page/Full_Publications/PDF/madey_SSR_1987_T.pdf
>
>   On Dec 3, 2007 10:38 PM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the
> > radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range?
> > Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment
> > where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the
> > O2 ?)  A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron
> > cloud containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing
> > the entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst.
> >
> >   On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm
> > > his specualtion, no?
> > >
> > > Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single
> > > independent
> > > replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source
> > > than his own work or Aspden ;-)
> > >
> > > Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will
> > > we
> > > ever know for sure?
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Frederick Sparber wrote:
> > > > P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly.
> > > >
> > > > *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html*
> > > >
> > > > * "In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that
> > > the
> > > > PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range
> > > > needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study
> > > of
> > > > narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron
> > > > coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification
> > > of
> > > > low-mass "photonium" resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest
> > > > prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible
> > > e-e+
> > > > quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature
> > > (98-99),
> > > > suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic)
> > > scale
> > > > for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that
> > > pair
> > > > production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary
> > > medium
> > > > and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave
> > > > frequency) (100)."
> > > > *
> > > > On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jones.
> > > >
> > > > A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC
> > > > tables) is known.
> > > >
> > > > With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5MeV
> > > > they could
> > > > make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they
> > > came
> > > > up with the bent gun.
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a
> > > hefty
> > > > energy release if
> > > > they are in potassium or argon. No?
> > > >
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-03 Thread Frederick Sparber 
An extensive treatment of the interaction of water on solid surfaces (about
10 megabytes) gives insight on how a  "Muonic Entity" could catalyze CF
reactions on the cathode of
an electrolysis cell. It also touches on the effect of oxygen wrt the water
interaction with
the surfaces.

http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~wchen/Madey_page/Full_Publications/PDF/madey_SSR_1987_T.pdf

On Dec 3, 2007 10:38 PM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the
> radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range?
> Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where
> one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?)  A
> deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron cloud
> containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing the
> entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst.
>
>   On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm
> > his specualtion, no?
> >
> > Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent
> > replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source
> > than his own work or Aspden ;-)
> >
> > Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we
> > ever know for sure?
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Frederick Sparber wrote:
> > > P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly.
> > >
> > > *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html*
> > >
> > > * "In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that
> > the
> > > PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range
> > > needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study
> > of
> > > narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron
> > > coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of
> > > low-mass "photonium" resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest
> > > prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible
> > e-e+
> > > quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99),
> > > suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic)
> > scale
> > > for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that
> > pair
> > > production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary
> > medium
> > > and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave
> > > frequency) (100)."
> > > *
> > > On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jones.
> > >
> > > A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC
> > > tables) is known.
> > >
> > > With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV
> > > they could
> > > make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came
> > > up with the bent gun.
> > >
> > > OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty
> > > energy release if
> > > they are in potassium or argon. No?
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-03 Thread Frederick Sparber 
Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the
radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range?
Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where
one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?)  A
deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron cloud
containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing the
entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst.

On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm
> his specualtion, no?
>
> Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent
> replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source
> than his own work or Aspden ;-)
>
> Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we
> ever know for sure?
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
>
> Frederick Sparber wrote:
> > P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly.
> >
> > *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html*
> >
> > * "In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the
> > PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range
> > needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of
> > narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron
> > coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of
> > low-mass "photonium" resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest
> > prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+
> > quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99),
> > suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale
>
> > for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair
> > production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium
> > and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave
> > frequency) (100)."
> > *
> > On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > wrote:
> >
> > Jones.
> >
> > A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC
> > tables) is known.
> >
> > With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV
> > they could
> > make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came
> > up with the bent gun.
> >
> > OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty
> > energy release if
> > they are in potassium or argon. No?
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-03 Thread Standing Bear 
On Monday 03 December 2007 09:48, Frederick Sparber wrote:
> Jones.
> 
> A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^12 % according to CRC tables) is
> known.
> 
> With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they
> could
> make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with
> the bent gun.
> 
> OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy
> release if
> they are in potassium or argon. No?
> 
> Fred
>

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Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-03 Thread Jones Beene 
Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm 
his specualtion, no?


Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent 
replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source 
than his own work or Aspden ;-)


Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we 
ever know for sure?


J.





Frederick Sparber wrote:

P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly.
 
*http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html*
 
* "In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the 
PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range 
needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of 
narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron 
coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of 
low-mass "photonium" resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest 
prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ 
quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), 
suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale 
for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair 
production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium 
and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave 
frequency) (100)."

*
On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Jones.
 
A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC

tables) is known.
 
With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV

they could
make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came
up with the bent gun.
 
OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty

energy release if
they are in potassium or argon. No?
 
Fred

Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?

2007-12-03 Thread Frederick Sparber 
P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly.

*http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html*

* "In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the
PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed
for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow,
nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in
heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass "photonium"
resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)),
which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a
pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new
(ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it
has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon
field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any
electromagnetic wave frequency) (100)."
*
On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jones.
>
> A  bound state of e- e+ e-  (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is
> known.
>
> With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5 MeV they
> could
> make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with
> the bent gun.
>
> OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy
> release if
> they are in potassium or argon. No?
>
> Fred
>