[Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Anders Wennersten]

Lsjbot has now completed its run of generating articles for all species, 
with 310 000 on plants, making the total number generated above 1 300 
000 (source used: Catalogue of Life).  With Naskobot, having earlier 
generated some 85 000 articles on Swedish lakes and French communes 
etc., the total botgenerated articles on svwp are now 1,4 M


The botgenerating efforts have received overwhelmingly positive feedback 
from the svwp  community, with comments like:
*for editors it has become more stimulating writing new articles on 
related subjects. When we write of a place in Sweden we know that all 
mentioned lakes have articles, making the article better and more 
correct  (no lakes mentioned are spelled incorrectly any longer). Also 
photo safaris are more fun when all lakes, even very small ones, are 
relevant to take photos of and include in articles
*experts are more attracted participating  when they are guided to the 
stub from Google. Also we get feedback it is much easier to enter 
information on Wikipedia when the base skeleton is there already 
(taxobox, category, links in wikidata, picture, base sourceref). We see 
an increasing number of University classes in biology given he 
assignment to write (expand) articles on (not so known) species


We are also gladdened by the hard numbers. Reader accesses show a 
healthy increase even from our already high number. And a trend of a 
slight decrease of editors has now turned into an increase.  We can not 
say for certain why and it could be temporary but we believe the 
botgenerated articles has a part of this positive development.


Encouraged by this, we will now start what we call Bot Academy. A dozen 
of our experienced editors will, with the support from WMSE, learn more 
of running bots. First by sessions on basics, common knowledge stuff, in 
order for us to be able to use bot as a complement in our editing 
efforts. And after that we will have sessions for advanced use, taking 
in the learning from Lsjbot and Naskobot, in order to  see if also we 
can find areas where we from excellent sources can generate articles.


For 2015 we are contemplating the following botgenerating efforts
*lsj (sverker) will support other versions interested to run Lsjbot. He 
is now in discussion with Farsi and Arabic wp, where there are some 
interesting technical challenges related to the different alphabeticscript
*we will scan best practices of bot generation on other versions (it, 
nl, id, vt, serbocroatia, farsi, ru etc) (it seems we have nothing to 
learn of this from the biggest seven...)
*lsj will look into using the database used by Swedish libraries, with 
info of authors and books. Would it be feasible to generate articles on 
authors?
*for myself I am continuing my initiative with the aim of fully 
integrate 10 article of Swedish geographic entities with wikidata, 
in order to  by the end to generate, if wanted,  up to 10 articles 
related to Swedish geography on 200 other versions. There is a lot 
needed of quality improvement of the articles first and also the 
Wikidata must get better before this can work, but perhaps it will be 
possible to get this going for a subset of articles in 2015 even if the 
full set will take some years longer before being ready to deploy


Anders
for examples, press "slumpartikel" (random artiicle) on 
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Peter Southwood]

Impressive piece of work. I agree, it is a lot easier to expand on an article 
with a well formatted stub than to create a new one if you are not familiar 
with the process. I would like to see this procedure extended to other 
Wikipedias, including en:  for classes of article for which there is consensus 
that an article should exist for each example, like for species. 
Cheers,
Peter

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Sent: 17 September 2014 04:36 AM
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

Lsjbot has now completed its run of generating articles for all species, with 
310 000 on plants, making the total number generated above 1 300
000 (source used: Catalogue of Life).  With Naskobot, having earlier generated 
some 85 000 articles on Swedish lakes and French communes etc., the total 
botgenerated articles on svwp are now 1,4 M

The botgenerating efforts have received overwhelmingly positive feedback from 
the svwp  community, with comments like:
*for editors it has become more stimulating writing new articles on related 
subjects. When we write of a place in Sweden we know that all mentioned lakes 
have articles, making the article better and more correct  (no lakes mentioned 
are spelled incorrectly any longer). Also photo safaris are more fun when all 
lakes, even very small ones, are relevant to take photos of and include in 
articles *experts are more attracted participating  when they are guided to the 
stub from Google. Also we get feedback it is much easier to enter information 
on Wikipedia when the base skeleton is there already (taxobox, category, links 
in wikidata, picture, base sourceref). We see an increasing number of 
University classes in biology given he assignment to write (expand) articles on 
(not so known) species

We are also gladdened by the hard numbers. Reader accesses show a healthy 
increase even from our already high number. And a trend of a slight decrease of 
editors has now turned into an increase.  We can not say for certain why and it 
could be temporary but we believe the botgenerated articles has a part of this 
positive development.

Encouraged by this, we will now start what we call Bot Academy. A dozen of our 
experienced editors will, with the support from WMSE, learn more of running 
bots. First by sessions on basics, common knowledge stuff, in order for us to 
be able to use bot as a complement in our editing efforts. And after that we 
will have sessions for advanced use, taking in the learning from Lsjbot and 
Naskobot, in order to  see if also we can find areas where we from excellent 
sources can generate articles.

For 2015 we are contemplating the following botgenerating efforts *lsj 
(sverker) will support other versions interested to run Lsjbot. He is now in 
discussion with Farsi and Arabic wp, where there are some interesting technical 
challenges related to the different alphabeticscript *we will scan best 
practices of bot generation on other versions (it, nl, id, vt, serbocroatia, 
farsi, ru etc) (it seems we have nothing to learn of this from the biggest 
seven...) *lsj will look into using the database used by Swedish libraries, 
with info of authors and books. Would it be feasible to generate articles on 
authors?
*for myself I am continuing my initiative with the aim of fully integrate 
10 article of Swedish geographic entities with wikidata, in order to  by 
the end to generate, if wanted,  up to 10 articles related to Swedish 
geography on 200 other versions. There is a lot needed of quality improvement 
of the articles first and also the Wikidata must get better before this can 
work, but perhaps it will be possible to get this going for a subset of 
articles in 2015 even if the full set will take some years longer before being 
ready to deploy

Anders
for examples, press "slumpartikel" (random artiicle) on 
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Liam Wyatt]

Many years ago... on en.wp, RamBot created thousands and thousands of
articles about towns and cities in the United States. Controversial at the
time but ultimately successful in 'seeding' the content in exactly the way
that Anders described.
Whenever I go to do some New Pages Patrol on en.wp these days, it seems
(purely from personal experience) that there are lots of articles about
places in India and south asia being written. It's very difficult to assess
these for duplicates, notability, verifiability... but there's clearly a
demand for writing these topics that bots could help with.
For things that have "inherent notability", such as towns registered in a
national census or those done by LsjBot, I'd love to see more bot-creation
going on.

wittylama.com
Peace, love & metadata

On 17 September 2014 08:22, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> Impressive piece of work. I agree, it is a lot easier to expand on an
> article with a well formatted stub than to create a new one if you are not
> familiar with the process. I would like to see this procedure extended to
> other Wikipedias, including en:  for classes of article for which there is
> consensus that an article should exist for each example, like for species.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anders Wennersten
> Sent: 17 September 2014 04:36 AM
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny
>
> Lsjbot has now completed its run of generating articles for all species,
> with 310 000 on plants, making the total number generated above 1 300
> 000 (source used: Catalogue of Life).  With Naskobot, having earlier
> generated some 85 000 articles on Swedish lakes and French communes etc.,
> the total botgenerated articles on svwp are now 1,4 M
>
> The botgenerating efforts have received overwhelmingly positive feedback
> from the svwp  community, with comments like:
> *for editors it has become more stimulating writing new articles on
> related subjects. When we write of a place in Sweden we know that all
> mentioned lakes have articles, making the article better and more correct
> (no lakes mentioned are spelled incorrectly any longer). Also photo safaris
> are more fun when all lakes, even very small ones, are relevant to take
> photos of and include in articles *experts are more attracted
> participating  when they are guided to the stub from Google. Also we get
> feedback it is much easier to enter information on Wikipedia when the base
> skeleton is there already (taxobox, category, links in wikidata, picture,
> base sourceref). We see an increasing number of University classes in
> biology given he assignment to write (expand) articles on (not so known)
> species
>
> We are also gladdened by the hard numbers. Reader accesses show a healthy
> increase even from our already high number. And a trend of a slight
> decrease of editors has now turned into an increase.  We can not say for
> certain why and it could be temporary but we believe the botgenerated
> articles has a part of this positive development.
>
> Encouraged by this, we will now start what we call Bot Academy. A dozen of
> our experienced editors will, with the support from WMSE, learn more of
> running bots. First by sessions on basics, common knowledge stuff, in order
> for us to be able to use bot as a complement in our editing efforts. And
> after that we will have sessions for advanced use, taking in the learning
> from Lsjbot and Naskobot, in order to  see if also we can find areas where
> we from excellent sources can generate articles.
>
> For 2015 we are contemplating the following botgenerating efforts *lsj
> (sverker) will support other versions interested to run Lsjbot. He is now
> in discussion with Farsi and Arabic wp, where there are some interesting
> technical challenges related to the different alphabeticscript *we will
> scan best practices of bot generation on other versions (it, nl, id, vt,
> serbocroatia, farsi, ru etc) (it seems we have nothing to learn of this
> from the biggest seven...) *lsj will look into using the database used by
> Swedish libraries, with info of authors and books. Would it be feasible to
> generate articles on authors?
> *for myself I am continuing my initiative with the aim of fully integrate
> 10 article of Swedish geographic entities with wikidata, in order to
> by the end to generate, if wanted,  up to 10 articles related to
> Swedish geography on 200 other versions. There is a lot needed of quality
> improvement of the articles first and also the Wikidata must get better
> before this can work, but perhaps it will be possible to get this goin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Jane Darnell]

I think this is great news. Can't wait to see what comes out of the "Bot
Academy". I love the name too!

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> Many years ago... on en.wp, RamBot created thousands and thousands of
> articles about towns and cities in the United States. Controversial at the
> time but ultimately successful in 'seeding' the content in exactly the way
> that Anders described.
> Whenever I go to do some New Pages Patrol on en.wp these days, it seems
> (purely from personal experience) that there are lots of articles about
> places in India and south asia being written. It's very difficult to assess
> these for duplicates, notability, verifiability... but there's clearly a
> demand for writing these topics that bots could help with.
> For things that have "inherent notability", such as towns registered in a
> national census or those done by LsjBot, I'd love to see more bot-creation
> going on.
>
> wittylama.com
> Peace, love & metadata
>
> On 17 September 2014 08:22, Peter Southwood 
> wrote:
>
> > Impressive piece of work. I agree, it is a lot easier to expand on an
> > article with a well formatted stub than to create a new one if you are
> not
> > familiar with the process. I would like to see this procedure extended to
> > other Wikipedias, including en:  for classes of article for which there
> is
> > consensus that an article should exist for each example, like for
> species.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anders Wennersten
> > Sent: 17 September 2014 04:36 AM
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny
> >
> > Lsjbot has now completed its run of generating articles for all species,
> > with 310 000 on plants, making the total number generated above 1 300
> > 000 (source used: Catalogue of Life).  With Naskobot, having earlier
> > generated some 85 000 articles on Swedish lakes and French communes etc.,
> > the total botgenerated articles on svwp are now 1,4 M
> >
> > The botgenerating efforts have received overwhelmingly positive feedback
> > from the svwp  community, with comments like:
> > *for editors it has become more stimulating writing new articles on
> > related subjects. When we write of a place in Sweden we know that all
> > mentioned lakes have articles, making the article better and more correct
> > (no lakes mentioned are spelled incorrectly any longer). Also photo
> safaris
> > are more fun when all lakes, even very small ones, are relevant to take
> > photos of and include in articles *experts are more attracted
> > participating  when they are guided to the stub from Google. Also we get
> > feedback it is much easier to enter information on Wikipedia when the
> base
> > skeleton is there already (taxobox, category, links in wikidata, picture,
> > base sourceref). We see an increasing number of University classes in
> > biology given he assignment to write (expand) articles on (not so known)
> > species
> >
> > We are also gladdened by the hard numbers. Reader accesses show a healthy
> > increase even from our already high number. And a trend of a slight
> > decrease of editors has now turned into an increase.  We can not say for
> > certain why and it could be temporary but we believe the botgenerated
> > articles has a part of this positive development.
> >
> > Encouraged by this, we will now start what we call Bot Academy. A dozen
> of
> > our experienced editors will, with the support from WMSE, learn more of
> > running bots. First by sessions on basics, common knowledge stuff, in
> order
> > for us to be able to use bot as a complement in our editing efforts. And
> > after that we will have sessions for advanced use, taking in the learning
> > from Lsjbot and Naskobot, in order to  see if also we can find areas
> where
> > we from excellent sources can generate articles.
> >
> > For 2015 we are contemplating the following botgenerating efforts *lsj
> > (sverker) will support other versions interested to run Lsjbot. He is now
> > in discussion with Farsi and Arabic wp, where there are some interesting
> > technical challenges related to the different alphabeticscript *we will
> > scan best practices of bot generation on other versions (it, nl, id, vt,
> > serbocroatia, farsi, ru etc) (it seems we have nothing to learn of this
> > from the biggest seven...) *lsj will look into using the database us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Andy Mabbett]

On 17 September 2014 03:36, Anders Wennersten  wrote:

> Lsjbot

You're doing great work - keep it up!

> *lsj will look into using the database used by Swedish
> libraries, with info of authors and books. Would it be
> feasible to generate articles on authors?

If you're creating biographies of people, please be sure to include
the local equivalent of the {{Authority control}} template:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control

For the Swedish project, that would be:

   https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall:Auktoritetsdata

which was only recently created. If you are about to do so on a
project in another language, with no version of that template, please
let me know in good time, so that we can set one up.

The template pulls values from Wikidata, so you don't need to add
values to each article, just the bare template. However, if your
subjects are new to Wikidata/Wikipedia, you can of course add their
authority control values to Wikidata. Note that the Swedish LIBRIS
system:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIBRIS

is catered for.


While not relevant for bot-created articles, bear in mind also that
the template can be placed on user pages, for editors who are in
authority control databases, including ORCID, for which they can
self-register. See:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ORCID


Again, if you're working on a project which uses this template, but
which does not yet support ORCID, please let me know. (*stares at DE,
FR & IT Wikipedias*)

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Anders Wennersten]

Thanks for the helpful feedback on my mail:
@Peter an Liam perhaps we should replace the name "stubarticles" with 
"seed(ing)articles", at least for these botgenerated ones who have all 
the bascis in place
@Jane, and besides a nice name Jan Ainali has also made a wonderful logo 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BotAcademy.svg
@Andy very helpful indeed. I will make sure it will be included if 
Sverker goes ahead generating articles of authors from Libris


Anders


Andy Mabbett skrev 2014-09-17 18:50:

On 17 September 2014 03:36, Anders Wennersten  wrote:


Lsjbot

You're doing great work - keep it up!


*lsj will look into using the database used by Swedish
libraries, with info of authors and books. Would it be
feasible to generate articles on authors?

If you're creating biographies of people, please be sure to include
the local equivalent of the {{Authority control}} template:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control

For the Swedish project, that would be:

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall:Auktoritetsdata

which was only recently created. If you are about to do so on a
project in another language, with no version of that template, please
let me know in good time, so that we can set one up.

The template pulls values from Wikidata, so you don't need to add
values to each article, just the bare template. However, if your
subjects are new to Wikidata/Wikipedia, you can of course add their
authority control values to Wikidata. Note that the Swedish LIBRIS
system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIBRIS

is catered for.


While not relevant for bot-created articles, bear in mind also that
the template can be placed on user pages, for editors who are in
authority control databases, including ORCID, for which they can
self-register. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ORCID


Again, if you're working on a project which uses this template, but
which does not yet support ORCID, please let me know. (*stares at DE,
FR & IT Wikipedias*)




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The mail by Anners REALLY deserves attention. It quotes numbers that fly in
the face of conventional "wisdom" that bots are bad. Evidently, it is quite
the opposite. Given the effects of the Rambot generated articles this
should not be a surprise really.

Given that this subject has so prominently featured in the press, it is
quite important to learn that the conventional wisdom consist only of
opinions and is evidently wrong.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 17 September 2014 04:36, Anders Wennersten 
wrote:

> Lsjbot has now completed its run of generating articles for all species,
> with 310 000 on plants, making the total number generated above 1 300 000
> (source used: Catalogue of Life).  With Naskobot, having earlier generated
> some 85 000 articles on Swedish lakes and French communes etc., the total
> botgenerated articles on svwp are now 1,4 M
>
> The botgenerating efforts have received overwhelmingly positive feedback
> from the svwp  community, with comments like:
> *for editors it has become more stimulating writing new articles on
> related subjects. When we write of a place in Sweden we know that all
> mentioned lakes have articles, making the article better and more correct
> (no lakes mentioned are spelled incorrectly any longer). Also photo safaris
> are more fun when all lakes, even very small ones, are relevant to take
> photos of and include in articles
> *experts are more attracted participating  when they are guided to the
> stub from Google. Also we get feedback it is much easier to enter
> information on Wikipedia when the base skeleton is there already (taxobox,
> category, links in wikidata, picture, base sourceref). We see an increasing
> number of University classes in biology given he assignment to write
> (expand) articles on (not so known) species
>
> We are also gladdened by the hard numbers. Reader accesses show a healthy
> increase even from our already high number. And a trend of a slight
> decrease of editors has now turned into an increase.  We can not say for
> certain why and it could be temporary but we believe the botgenerated
> articles has a part of this positive development.
>
> Encouraged by this, we will now start what we call Bot Academy. A dozen of
> our experienced editors will, with the support from WMSE, learn more of
> running bots. First by sessions on basics, common knowledge stuff, in order
> for us to be able to use bot as a complement in our editing efforts. And
> after that we will have sessions for advanced use, taking in the learning
> from Lsjbot and Naskobot, in order to  see if also we can find areas where
> we from excellent sources can generate articles.
>
> For 2015 we are contemplating the following botgenerating efforts
> *lsj (sverker) will support other versions interested to run Lsjbot. He is
> now in discussion with Farsi and Arabic wp, where there are some
> interesting technical challenges related to the different alphabeticscript
> *we will scan best practices of bot generation on other versions (it, nl,
> id, vt, serbocroatia, farsi, ru etc) (it seems we have nothing to learn of
> this from the biggest seven...)
> *lsj will look into using the database used by Swedish libraries, with
> info of authors and books. Would it be feasible to generate articles on
> authors?
> *for myself I am continuing my initiative with the aim of fully integrate
> 10 article of Swedish geographic entities with wikidata, in order to
> by the end to generate, if wanted,  up to 10 articles related to
> Swedish geography on 200 other versions. There is a lot needed of quality
> improvement of the articles first and also the Wikidata must get better
> before this can work, but perhaps it will be possible to get this going for
> a subset of articles in 2015 even if the full set will take some years
> longer before being ready to deploy
>
> Anders
> for examples, press "slumpartikel" (random artiicle) on
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

[Rachel diCerbo]

This is wonderful news, Anders. It made me really happy to read this.
Thanks to everyone who worked to make this happen!

rachel

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Anders Wennersten  wrote:

> Lsjbot has now completed its run of generating articles for all species,
> with 310 000 on plants, making the total number generated above 1 300 000
> (source used: Catalogue of Life).  With Naskobot, having earlier generated
> some 85 000 articles on Swedish lakes and French communes etc., the total
> botgenerated articles on svwp are now 1,4 M
>
> The botgenerating efforts have received overwhelmingly positive feedback
> from the svwp  community, with comments like:
> *for editors it has become more stimulating writing new articles on
> related subjects. When we write of a place in Sweden we know that all
> mentioned lakes have articles, making the article better and more correct
> (no lakes mentioned are spelled incorrectly any longer). Also photo safaris
> are more fun when all lakes, even very small ones, are relevant to take
> photos of and include in articles
> *experts are more attracted participating  when they are guided to the
> stub from Google. Also we get feedback it is much easier to enter
> information on Wikipedia when the base skeleton is there already (taxobox,
> category, links in wikidata, picture, base sourceref). We see an increasing
> number of University classes in biology given he assignment to write
> (expand) articles on (not so known) species
>
> We are also gladdened by the hard numbers. Reader accesses show a healthy
> increase even from our already high number. And a trend of a slight
> decrease of editors has now turned into an increase.  We can not say for
> certain why and it could be temporary but we believe the botgenerated
> articles has a part of this positive development.
>
> Encouraged by this, we will now start what we call Bot Academy. A dozen of
> our experienced editors will, with the support from WMSE, learn more of
> running bots. First by sessions on basics, common knowledge stuff, in order
> for us to be able to use bot as a complement in our editing efforts. And
> after that we will have sessions for advanced use, taking in the learning
> from Lsjbot and Naskobot, in order to  see if also we can find areas where
> we from excellent sources can generate articles.
>
> For 2015 we are contemplating the following botgenerating efforts
> *lsj (sverker) will support other versions interested to run Lsjbot. He is
> now in discussion with Farsi and Arabic wp, where there are some
> interesting technical challenges related to the different alphabeticscript
> *we will scan best practices of bot generation on other versions (it, nl,
> id, vt, serbocroatia, farsi, ru etc) (it seems we have nothing to learn of
> this from the biggest seven...)
> *lsj will look into using the database used by Swedish libraries, with
> info of authors and books. Would it be feasible to generate articles on
> authors?
> *for myself I am continuing my initiative with the aim of fully integrate
> 10 article of Swedish geographic entities with wikidata, in order to
> by the end to generate, if wanted,  up to 10 articles related to
> Swedish geography on 200 other versions. There is a lot needed of quality
> improvement of the articles first and also the Wikidata must get better
> before this can work, but perhaps it will be possible to get this going for
> a subset of articles in 2015 even if the full set will take some years
> longer before being ready to deploy
>
> Anders
> for examples, press "slumpartikel" (random artiicle) on
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida
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