[WISPA] A New WISPA Vice-President Has Been Elected

[Jack Unger]

WISPA's Officers (President, Vice-President, Secretary and Treasurer) 
are selected each year by the WISPA Board from currently serving Board 
members. WISPA has been without a Vice President for the last few months.

At the December 11th Board meeting, the Board acted to elect a new 
Vice-President. Three Directors (Tom DeReggi, Mac Dearman and Butch 
Evans) were nominated and all agreed to serve if elected. Each received 
three votes during the first round of balloting. After the three-way 
tie, all three were asked to submit a statement to the Board describing 
why they wished to serve as Vice-President. Prior to the second round of 
voting Mac Dearman chose to endorse one of the other two candidates, 
effectively making the election a two-person race.

A second round of online voting was held on December 22nd and 23rd. 
Butch Evans received 4 votes and Tom DeReggi received 5 votes. Please 
congratulate Tom on his new position as WISPA Vice-President and wish 
him well as he steps up to the plate to help lighten the workload of 
WISPA President Rick Harnish and the other WISPA Directors.

Congratulations to all and thank you to all three of these gentlemen for 
the volunteer work that they do for WISPA members.


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Re: [WISPA] Sky Pilot question

[Tom DeReggi]

My opinion differs. I think they are a really neat design. They enable the 
use of higher power, due to the higher (7db) rules for Smart antennas.
I think they killed their viabilty for me, when they doubled their price, 
after I already thought their price was to expensive by a factor of 2x-3x.
Only verticle pol, to take advantge of their smart antenna.

I have never tested compatibilty with Ubiquiti though. I do not know if that 
works or not.

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> I've been told they're not that great, very expensive and ridiculously
> simple setup (easy but insecure) by a couple of people.
>
> I have no direct experience because of this, though.
>
> On 12/23/08, CHUCK  PROFITO  wrote:
>> Has anybody on the list deployed these?
>> Has anybody flashed the ubiquity units to these?
>> SkyGateway Series
>> http://www.skypilot.com/products/skygateway.php
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Re: [WISPA] Sky Pilot question

[Josh Luthman]

I've been told they're not that great, very expensive and ridiculously
simple setup (easy but insecure) by a couple of people.

I have no direct experience because of this, though.

On 12/23/08, CHUCK  PROFITO  wrote:
> Has anybody on the list deployed these?
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> SkyGateway Series
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[WISPA] Sky Pilot question

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Has anybody on the list deployed these? 
Has anybody flashed the ubiquity units to these?
SkyGateway Series
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[3-dB Networks]

Thank you for your input Tom

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:22 PM
> To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
> 
> OOPs, yes, "UNICAM" is the correct name.
> 
> PS. "Ez Crimp" is that Coax crimp system. Which by the way we are now
> using,
> thanks to this list, and it works great!
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
> 
> 
> > Unicam. ?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> >
> > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:58
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
> >
> >
> > I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That
> > might
> > not be the exact name)
> >
> > It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do
> it.
> > It
> > is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an
> > error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez
> crimp
> > not completing successfully and cleanly.
> >
> > There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor
> > deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an
> > FC
> > connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical
> > outdoor
> > environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for
> > transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed
> > outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout
> > termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a
> > extreme
> > temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC,
> SC,
> > ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to
> > outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.
> >
> > For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To
> do
> > the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning
> > tools.
> > The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there
> > is
> > a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the
> > connector
> > types.
> >
> > We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are
> 25%
> > less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends
> > on
> > the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is
> > more
> > common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "3-dB Networks" 
> > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
> >
> >
> >> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a
> job.
> >> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations
> >> on
> >> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these
> >> things,
> >> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help in advance!
> >>
> >> Daniel White
> >> 3-dB Networks
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[Tom DeReggi]

OOPs, yes, "UNICAM" is the correct name.

PS. "Ez Crimp" is that Coax crimp system. Which by the way we are now using, 
thanks to this list, and it works great!

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


> Unicam. ?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:58
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
>
>
> I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That 
> might
> not be the exact name)
>
> It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do it. 
> It
> is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an
> error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez crimp
> not completing successfully and cleanly.
>
> There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor
> deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an 
> FC
> connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical 
> outdoor
> environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for
> transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed
> outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout
> termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a 
> extreme
> temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC, SC,
> ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to
> outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.
>
> For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To do
> the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning 
> tools.
> The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there 
> is
> a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the 
> connector
> types.
>
> We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are 25%
> less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends 
> on
> the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is 
> more
> common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source
>
>
>> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
>> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations 
>> on
>> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these
>> things,
>> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the help in advance!
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[Tom DeReggi]

It is NOT complicated with the Corning system.
We have trained all our technicans to do it, within 15 minutes. I was even 
able to teach my 10 year old son how to do it, in equal time.

One of the biggest cost savings you can make is learning how to terminate 
the fiber. It can be as easy and as cheap for us to run Fiber as Cat5.

However, Terminating Fiber takes care. Corning's self-tutorial manual is 
very well written and easy to follow comparatively.
However, it is hard at first to understand vague terms, that leave room for 
interpretation.
For example, if the statement was made "little or no light should escape 
through the connector", exactly what does "no light" look like on the 
connector wall?
For example, "Apply hard pressure to the", exactly what is the amount of 
pressure is appropriate?
People are often afraid to break the fiber, and do not apply enough 
pressure, not realizing that the tool has safety measures to prevent over 
pressuring.
Because of this, it can be really helpful to have an experienced installer 
show someone on staff how to do it, the first time.
Many local Fiber supply resellers will offer to give you a free 
demonstration, if you buy the fiber termination kit from them.

The difficulty with Fiber, is understanding it, to know what to suspect, if 
there is a problem needing troubleshooting. It also takes a significant 
dollar commmitment, to purchase the Fiber tools and testing kits.  It starts 
at about $1000 for the kit.  Testing can be done with a simple light tool. 
However, to be more accurate and timely in troubleshooting, a light meter 
can be purchased, but you just added another grand in costs.

My point is there is a skill to it, and some minor training is needed. 
But it is NOT hard, with Corning.

You just have to ask yourself do you have enough need to do it, to justify 
the learning cure, and tools.

If you offer a SLA to your customers over a fiber cable that is under your 
control, I'd argue that you have no responisble choice to learn how to do 
it, and be prepaired to do it, even if you were to decide to outsource the 
termination of it the majority of the time.

The problem is, its not a simple thing to jsut say, "I'll go recrimp all the 
cables and see if that helps". Every connector is $15. And every termination 
takes 10 minutes. It gets expensive to make mistakes, and not understand the 
technology.

If you take the time to learn it, it is much easier than you probably 
expect.

The other issue is its important to fully udnerstand the types of cable. 
Getting the right type for the job, goes a long way to make it easy. It can 
be frustrating, when you are uncertain of something, and there is nobody to 
ask.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "jp" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


> I'd suggest a class.
>
> We don't put connectors on or do ends. I've taken a class on it, and
> it's tedious.
>
> We chop a pre-made and pretested patch cord in half and splice it to
> the ends of the cable run. This requires a fusion splicer and
> heat shrink sleeves, wipes, cleaver, and a couple different strippers.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 01:26:18PM -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
>> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations 
>> on
>> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these 
>> things,
>> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the help in advance!
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[Scott Reed]

We use FAST-LC (or FAST-SC) connectors.  You just need a cleaver.  
Cleave the strand, push it in, press the release, test it, use it.
Take a look at 
http://www.afltele.com/products/optical_connectivity/connectors/FastConnectors.html
There is a video and it is as easy as it looks.

3-dB Networks wrote:
> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
>
>  
>
> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these things,
> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
>
>  
>
> Thanks for the help in advance!
>
> Daniel White
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[lakeland]

Unicam. ?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Tom DeReggi" 

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:58 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That might 
not be the exact name)

It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do it. It 
is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an 
error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez crimp 
not completing successfully and cleanly.

There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor 
deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an FC 
connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical outdoor 
environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for 
transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed 
outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout 
termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a extreme 
temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC, SC, 
ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to 
outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.

For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To do 
the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning tools. 
The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there is 
a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the connector 
types.

We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are 25% 
less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends on 
the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is more 
common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
>
>
>
> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these 
> things,
> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help in advance!
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[Tom DeReggi]

I highly recommend Corning's Ez system. (no polishing needed).  (That might 
not be the exact name)

It is the easiest way to do it, and the most cost effective way to do it. It 
is also very reliable to do it that way.  The odds of a person making an 
error polishing typical connectors is higher than the odds of the Ez crimp 
not completing successfully and cleanly.

There are some drawbacks to the Corning Ez system, regarding outdoor 
deployment. They don't make a metal or extreme temperature version of an FC 
connector. They do however make a plastic water proof FC for typical outdoor 
environments. They also do not include all the right size boots for 
transitioning their FC connector to some types of typical all-exposed 
outdoor type cable (meaning cable that does not require special breakout 
termination or not inside conduit or NEMA boxes).   They also make a extreme 
temperature connector for all their other type conectors, such as LC, SC, 
ST. There are standard methods for doing the transition from indoor to 
outdoor, and doing outdoor terminations.

For all indoor use, I am not aware of any downside. It works great.  To do 
the Corning system, you need both Corning connectors and the Corning tools. 
The one tool supports all connector types, with the exception that there is 
a small insert for the tool (that needs purchased) for two of the connector 
types.

We do almost all our jobs as LC. But take note that SC connectors are 25% 
less expensive and the connector type that you should use really depends on 
the gear you plan to connect. Recent Intel and Cisco uses LC, but SC is more 
common in other brand gear, low priced gear, and used gear.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source


> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
>
>
>
> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these 
> things,
> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help in advance!
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[reader]

Some general rules we followed, when setting up a doctor's office with a 
remote access setup...

1.  Physical security - all machines behind locked doors.   No monitors 
visible from any public area.   No routers, switches, or ethernet plugs in 
unlocked or insecure areas.
2.  Network security - We did single IP NAT at his office.  He wanted to 
tunnel to home, so we set up a tunnel to his home, but it only works on his 
specific laptop.   He abandoned this, decided to not work at home :)
3.  Data security - this they were lacking..  He now transports his data on 
files that are zipped with a password, on a thumbdrive that's encrypted with 
a password, and his laptop requires biometric authentication to run.

Further, we explained to him that emails between offices were fine... IF 
encrypted.  So, now they zip and password the communication files they email 
to each other.Images, etc, the same.

If you wish to share data between ANY two points, secure tunnels are not 
necessary, but the data itself should be secured no matter what else you do. 
No communication on the internet should be considered non interceptable, 
therefore security starts with encrypting data right at the source.

The HIPAA rules seem complex, but I found some medical consultant sites that 
broke it down a little more and it's not all that complex, if you start with 
the idea that the data itself should be encrypted ,and the network itself 
should be physically isolated and secured.We ran ethernet out to the 
wireless cpe outside, but it does double nat with a router inside so even 
that segment is isolated from the inside network.

Now, this was a very simplistic setup, to be sure, but the philosphy works 
when scaled up and meets every aspect of HIPAA's requirements.








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; "Principal WISPA Member List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?


> We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP 
> on
> the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?
>
> Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security 
> of
> his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you 
> guys
> do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
> comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -- 
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
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> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[jp]

I'd suggest a class.

We don't put connectors on or do ends. I've taken a class on it, and 
it's tedious. 

We chop a pre-made and pretested patch cord in half and splice it to 
the ends of the cable run. This requires a fusion splicer and 
heat shrink sleeves, wipes, cleaver, and a couple different strippers.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 01:26:18PM -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote:
> Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
> will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
> what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these things,
> or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the help in advance!
> 
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> 3-dB Networks
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[WISPA] Multi-Mode Fiber Tools - Source

[3-dB Networks]

Looks like I finally have to get into making some fiber cables for a job.
will be multi-mode with LC type connectors.

 

Anyone know what type of tools I need to be looking at. recommendations on
what I need?  Is it pretty easy to pick up on how to terminate these things,
or should I be looking at taking a class, etc.?

 

Thanks for the help in advance!

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

 




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Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

[Brad Belton]

Yes, but we've never used it before.  YMMV...

Type ibm to determine In Band Management status.



Brad



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Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:42 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

is there a way to set the management inband?
 

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Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

[3-dB Networks]

You need the latest firmware release... then you can do it

Daniel White
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> is there a way to set the management inband?
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Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes. The newer firmwares have inband management support. However, you need a 
VLAN aware device to make the connection, as Inband management requires a 
VLAN assignment.

Tom DeReggi
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Subject: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?


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[WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?

[Gino Villarini]

is there a way to set the management inband?
 

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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[Scott Reed]

I believe that HIPPA puts the responsibility on the Dr., not on the 
carrier.  You, the carrier, do not have to do anything to carry his 
data.  This was discussed about 1 year ago on one of the lists and the 
last I heard, this was the agreement.

Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
> If the Doctor isn't encrypting medical-related data with SSL or VPN before 
> it leaves HIS network, he's violating the HIPAA guidelines.  How often does 
> a doctor use a public wi-fi network to check on charts & labs from the 
> hospital via a website?  The SSL is what makes it compliant, now if you're 
> talking about point to point (office to office) he may want to get a VPN 
> router.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John McDowell" 
> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" ; "WISPA General List" 
> ; "Principal WISPA Member List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:15 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?
>
>
>   
>> We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP 
>> on
>> the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?
>>
>> Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security 
>> of
>> his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you 
>> guys
>> do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
>> comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -- 
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> j...@boonlink.com
>> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[Mike Delp]

John,

If he is connecting to one of his other offices or providers inside of your
network, then you can set up some tunnels to encrypt his data.  If he is
connecting to someone outside of your network, then he has a tunnel from his
endpoint to the other endpoint, and it is encrypted across your network and
also across the Internet.  If he has no Tunnel, then he is in Violation of
HIPAA.  If he has a tunnel, then he does not need any encryption from your
network.  You can transport his tunnel just like the rest of the Internet.
The Internet is not encrypted, and if he is relying on you providing
encryption to the Internet, then he is exposed once he leaves your network.

The Internet is routed, and you can get to any working IP address across the
entire network of networks.  There is no bridging on the Internet.  That is
how your local routed network is accessible.



On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:15 AM, John McDowell  wrote:

> We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
> the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?
>
> Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security
> of
> his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
> do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
> comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
> j...@boonlink.com
> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Create a tunnel back to your NOC.  done! 

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John McDowell wrote:
> We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
> the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?
>
> Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security of
> his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
> do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
> comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[Doug Ratcliffe]

If the Doctor isn't encrypting medical-related data with SSL or VPN before 
it leaves HIS network, he's violating the HIPAA guidelines.  How often does 
a doctor use a public wi-fi network to check on charts & labs from the 
hospital via a website?  The SSL is what makes it compliant, now if you're 
talking about point to point (office to office) he may want to get a VPN 
router.

- Original Message - 
From: "John McDowell" 
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" ; "WISPA General List" 
; "Principal WISPA Member List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?


> We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP 
> on
> the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?
>
> Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security 
> of
> his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you 
> guys
> do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
> comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -- 
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
> j...@boonlink.com
> www.boonlink.com
>
>
>
>
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[WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[John McDowell]

We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?

Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security of
his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932
j...@boonlink.com
www.boonlink.com






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[WISPA] FW: Kernmantle Rope

[Dustin Jurman]

But you need to go with what your safety device states to ward off any
liability. 

Certified slings usually carries a nice variety of rope up to 2000 feet and
safety devices.   

http://www.certifiedslings.com/home.php4

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

What is the best lifeline rescue rope?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO
wrote:

> Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's
> the
> latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place,
maybe
> harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool
> bag
> bouncing.
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope
>
> Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
> long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -
>
>
>
https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
>
>
7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
>
=J2537830143&BANNERID=
>
> Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a
better
> source.  Thanks!
>
> `S
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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

[lakeland]

You are lifting guys with rope and you are looking for the lowest price?

You are lifting them with a man rated hoist right?  Because it is the only 
federally approved method regardless of what type of safety backups you put in 
place.

You are leaving yourself and your company really exposed legally. Not to say 
the least what you are exposing your guys to.

A 500' climb is no bif deal to anyone who climbs. Even my fat ass can do that 
in 30 minutes or so.

Don't take shortcuts

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen 

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:46:09 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope


Well we need a continuous 1200' without knots and we do use it for lifting 
climbers - but only when accompanied by a wire rope grab - don't do any of that 
time saving stuff unless there's a trusted safety.  (:

I think that link is probably a fair price for the 1/2" real stuff.

Thanks,
`S

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:31 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's the
latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool bag
bouncing.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -

https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
=J2537830143&BANNERID=

Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
source.  Thanks!

`S




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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

[lakeland]

Depends on what you mean by lifeline?  If you are doing a controlled decend 
(repel) you should be using 1/2" Kernmantle at a minimum. We use 5/8".  In 
addition you are required to have a 5/8" rope grab line (usually 
polyester/polypropelene mix) as a "just in case" 

When buying Kernmantle look for rope that is a name brand, made in the USA and 
preferably meets NFPA standards.

Do not buy any rope made in China for life safety.

For hauling something other than a bucket, double braid (non-kernmantle) is the 
rope of choice

Bob 
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-Original Message-
From: "John McDowell" 

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:36:06 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope


What is the best lifeline rescue rope?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

> Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's
> the
> latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
> harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool
> bag
> bouncing.
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope
>
> Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
> long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -
>
>
> https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
>
> 7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
> =J2537830143&BANNERID=
>
> Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
> source.  Thanks!
>
> `S
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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

[CHUCK PROFITO]

You'all ARE serious climbers

Chuck Profito
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Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

What is the best lifeline rescue rope?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO
wrote:

> Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's
> the
> latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place,
maybe
> harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool
> bag
> bouncing.
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope
>
> Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
> long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -
>
>
>
https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
>
>
7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
>
=J2537830143&BANNERID=
>
> Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a
better
> source.  Thanks!
>
> `S
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Well we need a continuous 1200' without knots and we do use it for lifting 
climbers - but only when accompanied by a wire rope grab - don't do any of that 
time saving stuff unless there's a trusted safety.  (:

I think that link is probably a fair price for the 1/2" real stuff.

Thanks,
`S

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:31 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's the
latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool bag
bouncing.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -

https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
=J2537830143&BANNERID=

Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
source.  Thanks!

`S




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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

[John McDowell]

What is the best lifeline rescue rope?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:31 AM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

> Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's
> the
> latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
> harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool
> bag
> bouncing.
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope
>
> Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
> long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -
>
>
> https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
>
> 7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
> =J2537830143&BANNERID=
>
> Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
> source.  Thanks!
>
> `S
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Re: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Are you mountain climbing or just hauling a tool bag up a tower? If it's the
latter, you are on the right list , just shopping at the wrong place, maybe
harbor freight. 'bout $10 per 100'. Again, not human bouncing, just tool bag
bouncing.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Kernmantle Rope

Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope.  I found a spool here (sorry for the
long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) -

https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=10
7&ID~2=864&ID~3=865&CLEV=5&PLEV=1&QLEV=1&PN=12764&ITEM.NO=8&PN.CT=21&TRACKNO
=J2537830143&BANNERID=

Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better
source.  Thanks!

`S




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