RE: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please.

2009-10-17 Thread EBS Admin 
Try cscart over at cscart.com. It's not free but it's easy to work with and
easy to skin.

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Darren Lovelock
Sent: 17 October 2009 22:27
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please.

 

Drupal with the ubercart module - http://www.ubercart.org/ demo here -
http://livetest.ubercart.org/uc1/

 

List of features - http://www.ubercart.org/what_is_ubercart

 

Supported payment systems - http://www.ubercart.org/payment

 

Add the views module and ubercart views module for 'popular product' blocks
etc.

 

Views - http://drupal.org/project/views

Ubercart Views - http://drupal.org/project/uc_views

 

Darren Lovelock

Munky Online Web Design

  http://www.munkyonline.co.uk

T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893

 

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com
Sent: 17 October 2009 21:47
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please.

Magento is an option also possibly 

Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device

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From: "hed...@digitalessence.net"  

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:34:16 +0100

To: 

Subject: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please.

 

Hi,

I'm in the process of quoting a few ecommerce packages/websites and
currently looking at opencart (for a free and non supported solution) and
JShop for a more pro supported version. Does anyone have any packages that
they recommend?


http://www.opencart.com/
http://www.jshop.co.uk/index

I'm not requiring bar codes or EPOS integration so need to keep it simple.

thanks.

Hedley Phillips
Digital Essence

T: 01306 627 128
M: 07940 508 417
E: hed...@digitalessence.net


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RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin 
Hi Darren,

Maybe if you read what I wrote properly you would see that the
H1 surrounding the logo has different key words in it depending on the page.
I use text Site name - keywords as my logo and style it with CSS
and therefore each one is unique, semantic and great for SEO

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Darren Lovelock
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

 

To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters
in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout the
website, they should always be unique. Anyone advising to do this to boost
your page's keyword relevancy simply doesn't know what they are talking
about.

 

I cant think of a single reason why you would wrap a H1 around a logo as
there is no advantage to you, search engines or your visitors. Maybe if you
had a business directory where each listing had its own logo and alt text of
the company name then it could work there but not if there was already an H1
on the page.

 

The only case that you could possibly use two H1s on a page is if you had a
page containing two entirely different topics. But then again wouldn't you
just put this content on two separate pages? If your sites theme is to write
about lots of different content e.g. a general blog, then it should have a
main H1 and each topic be summarised using H2's and then include a link to
their own individual pages.

 

Why is the topic starter looking for reasons for why they shouldn't do it,
when they should be asking themselves what is their reason for using the H1
this way in the first place?

 

Did they see it on some 'SEO's website and think 'they must know what they
are doing so I'll copy them'? LOL 

 

Maybe they should listen to the SEO expert they've already spoken to...

 

I would have thought it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't do it ;)

 

Darren Lovelock

Munky Online Web Design

 <http://www.munkyonline.co.uk/> http://www.munkyonline.co.uk

T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of EBS Admin
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:52
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the
fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented
in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to
look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to
get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the
semantics, accessibility and seo requirements.

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo
is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's
brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that.

I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around
other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. 

Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device

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From: "EBS Admin"  

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100

To: 

Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

 

Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be
shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be
the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more
the 1 H1.

 

For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages,
and has a similar effect for screen readers.

 

Hope this makes it a little clearer.

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that
you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page.  

Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys
being on first page of Google. 

My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all
of the points I mentioned. 

You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify
your reasoning behind it. 

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin
 wrote:

Jason, 

Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy p

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin 
No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for Business.

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:00
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?


That's only relevant if your site has a keyword in the logo (e.g. Free
Online Games), where each of the words is a form of a keyword, while if your
site is called MiniClip, there is not much point in wrapping H1 around it. 


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, EBS Admin
 wrote:


The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the
fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented
in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to
look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to
get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the
semantics, accessibility and seo requirements.

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45 

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?


Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo
is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's
brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that.

I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around
other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. 

Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device

  _  

From: "EBS Admin"  
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100
To: 
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be
shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be
the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more
the 1 H1.
 
For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages,
and has a similar effect for screen readers.
 
Hope this makes it a little clearer.

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?


EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that
you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page.  
Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys
being on first page of Google. 
My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all
of the points I mentioned. 
You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify
your reasoning behind it. 


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin
 wrote:


Jason, 
Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google.
 
The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use
multiple H1's!

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 

Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG
Digest)


Tim 

To keep it really simple: 

Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1
per page

Hope this makes sense?

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White  wrote:


OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel>
&feature=channel
 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> (video from
March 2009)

Tim


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant  wrote:


Tim, 

Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. 

However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give
it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices
as well as general semantics and IA best practices. 

So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not
the be all and end all of guidelines.

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White  wrote:


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld 
wrote:


...

 

H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's
only one title, while there may be many first level headings.
...

 

So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the
page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page.

 

Let's look at what the specification says; 

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it intro

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin 
The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the
fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented
in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to
look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to
get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the
semantics, accessibility and seo requirements.

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of ja...@flexewebs.com
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:45
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?


Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo
is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's
brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that.

I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 around
other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. 

Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device

  _  

From: "EBS Admin"  
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100
To: 
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be
shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be
the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more
the 1 H1.
 
For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages,
and has a similar effect for screen readers.
 
Hope this makes it a little clearer.

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?


EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that
you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page.  
Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys
being on first page of Google. 
My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all
of the points I mentioned. 
You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify
your reasoning behind it. 


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin
 wrote:


Jason, 
Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google.
 
The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use
multiple H1's!

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 

Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG
Digest)


Tim 

To keep it really simple: 

Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1
per page

Hope this makes sense?

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White  wrote:


OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel>
&feature=channel
 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> (video from
March 2009)

Tim


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant  wrote:


Tim, 

Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. 

However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give
it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices
as well as general semantics and IA best practices. 

So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not
the be all and end all of guidelines.

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White  wrote:


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld 
wrote:


...

 

H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's
only one title, while there may be many first level headings.
...

 

So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the
page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page.

 

Let's look at what the specification says; 

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces.
Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a
table of contents for a document automatically.
There are six levels of headings in HTML with
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> H1 as the most
important and  <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> H6
as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in
larger fonts than less important ones."

 <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5>
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#

RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin 
Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be
shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be
the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more
the 1 H1.
 
For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages,
and has a similar effect for screen readers.
 
Hope this makes it a little clearer.

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?


EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that
you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page.  
Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys
being on first page of Google. 
My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all
of the points I mentioned. 
You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify
your reasoning behind it. 


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin
 wrote:


Jason, 
Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google.
 
The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use
multiple H1's!

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 

Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG
Digest)


Tim 

To keep it really simple: 

Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1
per page

Hope this makes sense?

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White  wrote:


OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel>
&feature=channel
 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> (video from
March 2009)

Tim


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant  wrote:


Tim, 

Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. 

However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give
it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices
as well as general semantics and IA best practices. 

So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not
the be all and end all of guidelines.

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White  wrote:


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld 
wrote:


...

 

H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's
only one title, while there may be many first level headings.
...

 

So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the
page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page.

 

Let's look at what the specification says; 

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces.
Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a
table of contents for a document automatically.
There are six levels of headings in HTML with
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> H1 as the most
important and  <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> H6
as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in
larger fonts than less important ones."

 <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5>
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5

Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1
per page. In fact, the example shows two being used.

~ Tim


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[WSG] RE: More than one H1?

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin 
Jason, 
Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google.
 
The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use
multiple H1's!

  _  

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG
Digest)


Tim 

To keep it really simple: 

Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1
per page

Hope this makes sense?

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White  wrote:


OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM

&feature=channel
  (video from
March 2009)

Tim


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant  wrote:


Tim, 

Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. 

However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give
it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices
as well as general semantics and IA best practices. 

So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not
the be all and end all of guidelines.

Thanks,

Jason


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White  wrote:


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld 
wrote:


...

 

H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's
only one title, while there may be many first level headings.
...

 

So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the
page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page.

 

Let's look at what the specification says; 

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces.
Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a
table of contents for a document automatically.
There are six levels of headings in HTML with
 H1 as the most
important and   H6
as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in
larger fonts than less important ones."

 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5

Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1
per page. In fact, the example shows two being used.

~ Tim


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Company no.: 5587469 

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RE: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest)

2009-10-16 Thread EBS Admin 
I'm sorry but i'm going to put my 2 pence worth in. The site I build use a
H1 for the logo, then a h1 for a title further down the page, using the h1,
h2, h3, etc structure and Google seems to love those site the latest lauch
has h1, h2 and a h3 in the header and it's on page 1 already after being
launched 3 weeks ago. So in terms of following best practive, providing
clear text to screen reader and for SEO the use of H tags should be as the
W3C advises.

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Behalf Of Yuval Ararat
Sent: 16 October 2009 13:11
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Digest)


I am not sure that a page with multiple important subject does not exist. so
IA wise and semantic wise this is not a must. google wise it is.


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Jason Grant  wrote:


Tim, 

Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. 

However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give
it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices
as well as general semantics and IA best practices. 

So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not
the be all and end all of guidelines.

Thanks,

Jason 


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White  wrote:


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld 
wrote:


...

 

H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's
only one title, while there may be many first level headings.
...

 

So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the
page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page.

 

Let's look at what the specification says; 

"A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces.
Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a
table of contents for a document automatically.
There are six levels of headings in HTML with
 H1 as the most
important and   H6
as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in
larger fonts than less important ones."

 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5

Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1
per page. In fact, the example shows two being used.

~ Tim


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RE: [WSG] Spice up your mobile

2008-07-19 Thread admin 
 
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RE: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-03 Thread EBS Admin 
You could try this


img a:hover {
border: 0;
text-decoration: none;
}

Mat
www.essentialebizsolutions.net
www.av-iinc.co.uk


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Subject: Re: [WSG] Image links

On May 3, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote:


> As someone mentioned earlier you should also remove borders from the  
> image,
>
> a img {
> border: 0;
> }

This is what I was hoping would work but it doesn't. Explorer still  
shows the bottom border on hover. Interestingly it is not a problem  
with Safari which does not show the border hover on images by default.

To be clear, I have a 1pixel bottom border on hover (It looks better  
than the default underline).

The problem is to easily and globally prevent the border on hover on  
image links.

I have solved it with a border-style: none; class but it has to be  
applied to each image, which is a pain.




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RE: [WSG] IE7 - content not displaying

2008-04-22 Thread EBS Admin 
 This is what you've got at the moment

 

 

  

  



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Store

  About Us

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  Government Services

  Contact Us



  







 

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  Wisconsin History
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Behalf Of Likely, James A.
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] IE7 - content not displaying

 

Hello, 

I am in the process of coding some templates for a client. Of course,
everything works well in Firefox, but IE7 is giving me some problems. 

The footer on the page is not appearing, but the space that it is meant to
hold the footer is present.  I know about the peek-a-boo effect for IE, but
this does not seem to be the case. Does any one have any suggestions on how
to fix this?

Example:  
http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/version2/research.php 

Thanks for the help. 

James 

 


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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2007-12-20 Thread admin 
Dear Sir/Madam

Please note that I will be out of the office from 19 Dec 2007 until 16 Jan 
2008. Urgent enquiries to this email address will be dealt with as soon as 
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2007-12-18 Thread admin 
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RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread TN38 [Admin] 
It's a valid point actually. 

DIVitis and SPANitis are rife and elements can normally be styled using
inherent selectors. The fact you have the text wrapped in  means you can
approach the CSS from with #container a

-Original Message-

Think twice before using a span

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RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread TN38 [Admin] 
Semantic = meaning.

What is the meaning of highlighting the text?

If it's a design decision the use 
If it's a meaning decision use  or 

Think of  as a rise in pitch when reading something out to someone.
Think of  as slow and controlled while pointing your finger kinda
speech.

-Original Message-

here's my question.  i have a page with text that i want highlighted.  i 
currently have the text in "text" and styled with css.  what is 
the best practice, semantically, to achieve this, as  is not 
what i want, because i don't want someone to get yelled at by their 
screen reader.  i guess what i am looking to do is emphasize the text so 
it will stand out on the page and be treated the same by a screen 
reader.  is this what the  tag is for?


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[WSG] Interview: BBC & TBL

2005-08-09 Thread TN38 [Admin] 
Just a heads up to an interesting article about the big man himself and the
future of the web; due for broadcast on the UK's BBC2 tonight 22:30 BST.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4132752.stm

Eddie
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RE: [WSG] My life as an 800x600 leper (was: Site Check: Broadleaf)

2005-07-26 Thread TN38 [Admin] 
It's not starting to, it always has been.

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I think accessibility is starting to be as much about accommodating
*any* browsing situation as much as accommodating disabilities.

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RE: [WSG] Site Check: Broadleaf

2005-07-25 Thread TN38 [Admin] 








Quote: only from lists such as this where people impose limits
without thinking about how networks are evolving.

 

You’re assuming
everyone has DSL at low contention. As you mention, networks are evolving, more
so wirelessly where bandwidth is even more of a premium which is justification
enough to serve lightweight pages.

 

Quote: I just fail to understand people who are
concerned about pages under 150k.

 

Sorry bud but 150Kb is
just too heavy. Fact!

 

By all means create a
heavy front page as you’re the developer but don’t forget the high
bandwidth disclaimer in the footer of the template.

 









From:
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Sent: 25 July 2005 10:16
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf



 

Mugur,

 

> I hope you are
not upset with me.

 

Not at all. J

 

I just fail to
understand people who are concerned about pages under 150k. Until about 2 years
ago, 50k was my limit. However since then, I’ve been happy to add about 50k
per year to that limit in line with the uptake of broadband, at least in Australia.
Across numerous websites, I’ve never actually had a complaint from a user
/ client, only from lists such as this where people impose limits without
thinking about how networks are evolving.



 

 

Thanks,

 

Tatham
 Oddie

Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea

www.fueladvance.com



 

RE: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms

2005-07-21 Thread TN38 [Admin] 








Too
quick Bert, just what I was going to post.

 

6
headings are more than enough. I’ve never gone past 4 to be honest.

 

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Sent: 21 July 2005 14:49
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms

 

 

Look
at it as an outline and perhaps it becomes clearer.

 

H1
Main heading

   
H2 Section heading

   
H2 Section heading

  
H3 Sub-section heading

   H4
Sub-Sub-section heading

   
H2 Section heading

H1
Another Main heading?

 

 

RE: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms

2005-07-21 Thread TN38 [Admin] 








Headers
have no defined meaning. They create structure. H1 doesn’t mean primary.
H2 doesn’t mean sub etc… but for Joe to say that you can forget
keeping order is not one his of best ideas.

 

“What’s
wrong with applying order to the real world?”

 

He
is right in that you can skip levels with certain assistive tools but then the hierarchy
of the page has to be learnt and isn’t presented in a predictable way.
Stick with correct order and nesting as accessibility isn’t always about
people, devices have to understand the web too.

 

As
soon as there is freedom of headers, what else can developers slack on? Keep it
tidy.

 



Eddie

http://blog.tn38.net/ 

 

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Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: 21 July 2005 14:18
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] headings and accessibility norms

 

Hello
list,

 

I'm
having some troubles in understanding the standards of

webaccessibility
according to the headings.

 

On
one side, there is the point of W3 saying:

"Since
some users skim through a document by navigating its headings, it

is
important to use them appropriately to convey document structure. Users

should
order heading elements properly. For example, in HTML, H2 elements

should
follow H1 elements, H3 elements should follow H2 elements, etc.

Content
developers should not "skip" levels (e.g., H1 directly to H3). Do

not
use headings to create font effects; use style sheets to change font

styles
for example."

 

(http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#document-headers)

 

 

On
the other hand, Joe Clark's book "Building Accessible Websites" says

about
the use of the :

 

"Styled
headings

Screen
readers and the like let you select the order in which you’d like

to
tab through elements, but the fundaments lie in HTML. The Web Content

Accessibility
Guidelines tell us to use heading elements in strict

numerical
order – , then, if necessary, 
through


in that sequence. That dictum suits androids and Vulcans quite

well,
but here in the real world you can skip intervening levels and you

don’t
have to start at . I am telling you that you can defy the

WCAG
in this limited way. You must not, however, use heading elements in

anything
but ascending order. "

 

(http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter07.html)

 

 

I've
got two problems complying those norms:

 

I
would like to maintain a certain homogeneity through the site, having a

unique
 for all the pages, and a  at the homepage using it for the

same
level of heading on the next pages. But the guidelines tell not to

skip
any , and it might happen that a certain page won't have a 

for
example.

 

Another
doubt I have is the fact that  always should be used in

ascending
way. But what if there are several repeating sections containing

subtitles?

F.i.

People
at work

People
working at the office

..

People
working at the factory

..

 

People
at home

Friends

..

Family

..

 

I
hope I make myself clear...

Anyone
who can say anything about this question?

Thank
you very much.

 

Regards,
Esther

 

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RE: [WSG] Browser hijacking for usability

2005-07-18 Thread TN38 [Admin] 
Title: Message








Not to mention you’re
talking IE/Win only which is a dwindling market.

 

Sounds worse than
ActiveX to me J

 









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Sent: 18 July 2005 12:00
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Browser
hijacking for usability



 



Jamie Mason >> I've been thinking about whether it would help to
automatically fix these problems by using registry keys, for example.





 





 



Ask the question of yourself - if you
were instructed by a website to run a file that changed registry settings on
your pc, would you do it?

 

However appealing the idea may sound,
and however easy it makes things for your users, messing with the registry is a
risky business at the best of times. I would assume that 99.99% of users
wouldn't touch it.

 

Regards 


Scott Swabey
General Manager

Lafinboy Productions
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Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 8:34 PM
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: [WSG] Browser hijacking
for usability

 

Hi All,

I've had an idea recently I wanted
to ask about, as it's slightly shady, but I think it has some value.


I'm near
the end of a redesign and am working on the help section currently, there's
some troubleshooting advice on pop-ups, which although don't really apply
anymore due to my removing them and/or using accessible popup code, am keeping
the articles for...

...

-
start contents of a registry file -- 
REGEDIT4 

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet
Explorer\New Windows\Allow\] 
"*.yourdomainaddress.com"=hex:

- end contents of a registry
file -- 
  
...Would add your site to the allow
list for pop ups in ie. This and other browsing problems could potentially be
fixed very easily.

 

I like
this because users just run the file and they're away, but I'm cringing in the
same way you probably are when reading..it all feels a bit shady doesn't it?

What do
you think? 

 

Jamie
Mason: Design 
// Skysports.com 
, Central House, Beckwith Knowle, Otley
  Road, Harrogate, HG3 1UF